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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Oldtimer said:
Never watched first time around, won't be watching this time,really wish fans wouldn't react it will be in the public eye for a week or so. Don't play into reeds agenda of making fans look crazy let's just ignore it and be the bigger people
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I get what you’re saying but rather than hide and pretend it doesn’t exist, I want to know exactly what these fuckers are gonna come out with.

I have no plans to repeat my leaving Neverland experience as that was horrific but this one apparently follows their attempts through the courts so is interesting.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
I get what you’re saying but rather than hide and pretend it doesn’t exist, I want to know exactly what these fuckers are gonna come out with.

I have no plans to repeat my leaving Neverland experience as that was horrific but this one apparently follows their attempts through the courts so is interesting.
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I get what your saying, but will that be one sided too. I'm not hiding away I'm just not interested can't stand Wade Robson even before all this he's a prentious idiot
 
Just a side question, but weren't some scenes from LN cut in certain countries, including England?

I asked, because I remember back on Twitter a few years ago hearing about how it was edited to be shorter than its original 4-hour run in some parts of the world.
 
W Polsce nawet pierwszej części nie ma na HBO, zdjęli ją. A gdzieś czytałem, że HBO it piad Estate zapłaciło 100 mln w arbitrażu. Niestety nie pamiętam źródła
 
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I know this is not the right thread and I didn't search the forum. But they put Micheal's cassettes up for auction. There are songs from LL Cool there
 
Zainteresowanie życiem Michaela Jacksona, nazywanego przez fanów królem popu, nie słabnie. Film o jego życiu miał trafić do kin 18 kwietnia 2025 roku. „Michael”, bo tak brzmi tytuł pełnometrażowego filmu o życiu gwiazdy, trafi na duży ekran znacznie później, niż pierwotnie zapowiadano. Teraz okazuje się, że powstanie również serial dokumentalny o słynnym procesie gwiazdy z 2005 roku.
Although Michael Jackson's discography constitutes a huge part of his artistic achievements, it is impossible not to mention the problems he faced. In 2005, a trial took place in which the star was accused of molesting an underage boy. This case will be the main topic of a four-episode documentary series with the working title "The Trial of Michael Jackson". The authors of the production, which was commissioned by the British television channel Channel 4, convinced people who had not yet spoken out in the high-profile scandal to speak out in front of the cameras.

This is what social networking sites say, Interia Muzyka
 
WiI know this will sound like a conspiracy theory, but ever since Michael met Mottole in the 1990s, it has been a pattern. MJ does something and someone pulls him down. The estate does something, someone cares about destruction.
Trudno nie widzieć tego schematu powtarzającego się przez lata. Jeśli żyłeś w czasach Michaela, teraz możesz to wyraźnie zobaczyć z perspektywy czasu
 
TAW1979 said:
Just a side question, but weren't some scenes from LN cut in certain countries, including England?

I asked, because I remember back on Twitter a few years ago hearing about how it was edited to be shorter than its original 4-hour run in some parts of the world.
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It aired at a later date in the UK, with almost an hour cut from it. Conveniently, the cut scenes were the ones people had proven to be lies. One example being the scene where Safechuck mentions the train station, which didn't exist when he claims to have been abused in there by Michael.
 
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Jackson faced multiple allegations of child sexual abuse throughout his career and faced criminal charges that led to a highly publicized trial in 2005. He denied all allegations and was found not guilty on all counts.
 
Amaya said:
Jin Chohan's documentary may be our only hope if it comes down to that. Maybe Taj's too (but that's a very big maybe).
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Taj is bankrolling his personal life, he isn't making any documentary, why do people not like to see the writing on the wall?
 
I don't know if this has been discussed here before but in this debate, Reed claims to not know much about Evan. It always struck me as odd...this is a man who had a secret Twitter account called "MJ - Believe Victims" but he hasn't looked into the prior cases? Do you only care about victims if they can appear in your documentary? He also misstates the settlement amount. I wonder if he's lying because he knows Robson and Safechuck used RC/VG's books as a blueprint or if he truly made this film not having done any research. I don't know which is worse...


...Is it selfish to wish Jordan would come out and put an end to all of this? He is the only one who holds significant power to do so. Whatever ramifications there are to admitting it now (I don't believe people would blame him, rather be grateful for his telling the truth, but I can understand his fear), what could be worse than watching all of this happen to Michael? How do these people sleep at night?
 
sisterrhon said:
Taj is bankrolling his personal life, he isn't making any documentary, why do people not like to see the writing on the wall?
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I can't imagine how much pressure Taj must be under...we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and I feel like if we've learned anything from Michael, it's to be kind and not assume the worst of people in absence of understanding. I think he's most likely in over his head but he didn't mean to scam people and the documentary will come sooner or later.

That's not to say that I blame people for asking questions if they've donated. I think Taj himself welcomes those questions. Michael was his uncle and he wants to refute everything once and for all and to a standard that Michael would have approved of...this is more than just a creative project to him, it's his family member and the way the whole world remembers them.

Call me naïve but I believe in him, and all of the people who are helping him make the series. I'd rather wait and they get it right than rush out something sub-par and not help Michael's case at all.
 
Aurescere said:
I can't imagine how much pressure Taj must be under...we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and I feel like if we've learned anything from Michael, it's to be kind and not assume the worst of people in absence of understanding. I think he's most likely in over his head but he didn't mean to scam people and the documentary will come sooner or later.

That's not to say that I blame people for asking questions if they've donated. I think Taj himself welcomes those questions. Michael was his uncle and he wants to refute everything once and for all and to a standard that Michael would have approved of...this is more than just a creative project to him, it's his family member and the way the whole world remembers them.

Call me naïve but I believe in him, and all of the people who are helping him make the series. I'd rather wait and they get it right than rush out something sub-par and not help Michael's case at all.
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Thank you for bringing kindness and compassion into this discussion. It may be true that Taj is in over his head, but at the very least he's encountering lots of roadblocks according to his personal statements on his most recent Righting HIStory podcast. Might be with a listen for anyone who hasn't heard it yet and wonders whatsup with the doc.

 
AlwaysThere said:
In the time it took Taj to put up a website, Dan Reed made two documentaries and is in the beginning stages of a third.
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I wouldn’t compare the two at all. I have seen a dozen of YouTube videos that are better than Dan’s. The egg smear campaign is looking to get public attention on the back of MJ projects. Obviously they are chasing the biopic release date now, but aren’t as patient as us. It’s easy to pay two nobodies to act a script, but trickier to get A list celebrities and other people from all over the world to “come out” and share genuine memories of the most private and misunderstood person on the planet.

Taj has mentioned multiple times about wanting to maintain creative control and for that purpose having to be self funded. But it can’t be his money because that would give people excuse to trash it. We are not even close to the goal funding wise, so if nothing comes out the pipelines it wouldn’t be Taj’s fault.
 
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AlwaysThere said:
In the time it took Taj to put up a website, Dan Reed made two documentaries and is in the beginning stages of a third.
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Taj is in a completely different situation as Dan Reed. Reed has no association to the the family, Estate, or any desire to interview individuals that have any tie to any of them. The politics involved around Taj's project is the complete opposite.. Also, proving to distributors that a pro MJ docu as a asset and not a liability (when they've all been conditioned that anti MJ material sells) is a challenge. Of course the biopic will change that, and there's many things down the pipeline pro MJ around the biopic timing because of it.
 
Aurescere said:
...Is it selfish to wish Jordan would come out and put an end to all of this? He is the only one who holds significant power to do so. Whatever ramifications there are to admitting it now (I don't believe people would blame him, rather be grateful for his telling the truth, but I can understand his fear), what could be worse than watching all of this happen to Michael? How do these people sleep at night?
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This is interesting because I too think that's the only single action that could clear Michael's name in the collective minds, because not even a fair trial did it. I'm not familiar with how American law works in this scenario, how long it takes for a "crime" of this kind to expire, but it's something that would be so good for the estate and the family, not to mention Michael's legacy, that I think they could agree to a deal of not suing him and not taking any other legal action if he did it. If anything, even helping him in the legal sphere.

The somewhat optimistic and somewhat pessimistic side is that I think it will happen someday, but likely only after his death or on his final days. Maybe through some book, memoir, video, letter... anything of the sort.

At this point, he likely learned how to live with this iron bag in his back forever. In his mind, he probably thinks that if he ever comes out and say it, it would be basically the same as admitting to killing Michael, because everyone knows that was the beginning of the end, the Pandora's box.
 
thrilleratparis said:
This is interesting because I too think that's the only single action that could clear Michael's name in the collective minds, because not even a fair trial did it. I'm not familiar with how American law works in this scenario, how long it takes for a "crime" of this kind to expire, but it's something that would be so good for the estate and the family, not to mention Michael's legacy, that I think they could agree to a deal of not suing him and not taking any other legal action if he did it. If anything, even helping him in the legal sphere.

The somewhat optimistic and somewhat pessimistic side is that I think it will happen someday, but likely only after his death or on his final days. Maybe through some book, memoir, video, letter... anything of the sort.

At this point, he likely learned how to live with this iron bag in his back forever. In his mind, he probably thinks that if he ever comes out and say it, it would be basically the same as admitting to killing Michael, because everyone knows that was the beginning of the end, the Pandora's box.
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Jordan coming forward with anything positive, will likely not change the narrative. He is risking his privacy by attaching himself to MJ again and can easily become the target of hate, from all sides. People will still not believe him, just like they don’t Macaulay.
 
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mjmagicfan said:
Jordan coming will likely not happen. He is risking his privacy by attaching himself to MJ again and can easily become the target of hate, from all sides. People will still not believe him, just like they don’t Macaulay.
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He was a victim of his father, he's had a lot to live with too, he would be accused of being paid to lie, they will never believe him
 
mjmagicfan said:
Jordan coming will likely not happen. He is risking his privacy by attaching himself to MJ again and can easily become the target of hate, from all sides. People will still not believe him, just like they don’t Macaulay.
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I agree that it would be very bad for him overall and that as things are now, he has no reason to do so. That's why I believe the most likely scenario is very later in his life. He is in his mid forties so it may take decades.

I find it weird that people don't believe Macaulay, since he denied it from the very beggining, but they don't hold the same weight in public eyes. In the end Jordan (or his father if you will) was the accuser after all, so it is expected.
 
thrilleratparis said:
I agree that it would be very bad for him overall and that as things are now, he has no reason to do so. That's why I believe the most likely scenario is very later in his life. He is in his mid forties so it may take decades.

I find it weird that people don't believe Macaulay, since he denied it from the very beggining, but they don't hold the same weight in public eyes. In the end Jordan (or his father if you will) was the accuser after all, so it is expected.
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People who don’t believe Macaulay claim he is a victim of more sinister abuse and thus his soul is dead and cannot reveal the truth about Hollywood. I mean, they will make up anything as long as they don’t have to use their own brain.
 
Nothing wrong with our beloved Macster. Those who don't believe him well you are missing out on the truth. MAC IS A REAL ONE.
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That wade robson needs to go to the dance studio and release some pent up aggression .. also, write better statements and not copy M's ... How about that, hmm?. "I'll have my day in court". Shut up..:LOL:.

James .... still disappointing. How about getting a backbone?
 
wendijane said:
Nothing wrong with our beloved Macster. Those who don't believe him well you are missing out on the truth. MAC IS A REAL ONE.
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That wade robson needs to go to the dance studio and release some pent up aggression .. also, write better statements and not copy M's ... How about that, hmm?. "I'll have my day in court". Shut up..:LOL:.

James .... still disappointing. How about getting a backbone?
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I agree with all you stated, however, Wade shouldn't be let anywhere near a dance studio. The dance studio shouldn't be subjected to such bad/awful dancing. 🫠
 
wendijane said:
Nothing wrong with our beloved Macster. Those who don't believe him well you are missing out on the truth. MAC IS A REAL ONE.
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That wade robson needs to go to the dance studio and release some pent up aggression .. also, write better statements and not copy M's ... How about that, hmm?. "I'll have my day in court". Shut up..:LOL:.

James .... still disappointing. How about getting a backbone?
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MJsAngelOfMusic said:
I agree with all you stated, however, Wade shouldn't be let anywhere near a dance studio. The dance studio shouldn't be subjected to such bad/awful dancing. 🫠
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Yeh.....we wouldn't want him touching up girls again
 
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