[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[amoremotus]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

But here is the thing. Look how many people are calling Wade out. You will get your bad coverage for Michael but look at how people who know him on twitter are calling him out. Look at how people would can't tell you the words of a Michael Jackson song are calling him out. And what if AEG did put him up to it and it blows up in his face you think he would blame AEG? On twitter last night I saw Brent Barnes call him out Rickey Bell from New Edtion hell even Roget Fatman called him out.

Just yesterday I was seeing so many comments of people who believe this story just because it is the third accusation that has been made. If so many people are saying it, it must be true. if it is anything like before, the media will not give a rats ass about how many people stand up for Michael. Diane Dimond is probably throwing a big party right now. And all it takes for AEG is for a couple of jurors to buy the BS and believe Michael is indeed a pedophile...

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

not that we give two shits as to what she has to say but EVEN Diane Dimond has switched sides here...her tweets.

[URL="https://twitter.com/DiDimond"]Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h [/URL]Was Wade Robson lying at the #MichaelJackson criminal trial or now? Now he says he was a molestation vic. Will others surface w/same claim?

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h Wade Robson once testified #MichaelJackson NEVER molested him as a kid. Now he declares he's a victim. Wants estate $ http://ow.ly/kOoHX

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 4h Frmr Kid Playmate to #Michael Jackson now says he WAS molested by MJ. Wade Robson & psych file papers 4 $$ http://ow.ly/kOoCy More2come?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

**** Diane Dimond. I get so angry when people give a **** about what that bitch does

 

[bouee]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

not that we give two shits as to what she has to say but EVEN Diane Dimond has switched sides here...her tweets.

that must mean the public reaction is strong against Robson !

 

[amoremotus]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

not that we give two shits as to what she has to say but EVEN Diane Dimond has switched sides here...her tweets.

[URL="https://twitter.com/DiDimond"]Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h [/URL]Was Wade Robson lying at the #MichaelJackson criminal trial or now? Now he says he was a molestation vic. Will others surface w/same claim?

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h Wade Robson once testified #MichaelJackson NEVER molested him as a kid. Now he declares he's a victim. Wants estate $ http://ow.ly/kOoHX

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 4h Frmr Kid Playmate to #Michael Jackson now says he WAS molested by MJ. Wade Robson & psych file papers 4 $$ http://ow.ly/kOoCy More2come?

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 9h
@duckmango sure did. I wrote about Wade Robson and Jackson in my 2005 book. His claims do not surprise me.

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 8h
As #JacksonvsAEG plays out in court a bombshell! kid playmate Wade Robson now says he WAS molested by MJ http://ow.ly/kOonS No surprise

But you are right, it does not even matter what that bitch has to say.

 

[LastTear]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

^^^^ I wouldn't go so far as to say she has switched sides, if she is negative regarding Wade it would only be because in her eyes he helped a pervert walk free.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

**** Diane Dimond. I get so angry when people give a **** about what that bitch does

yes ...she is just setting up for her bait and switch tactic....she isn't REALLY defending MJ...she is just waiting for the story to finish breaking so she can get ratings.

 

[wendijane]

In my opinion, this was a very sly and devious move on their part, if this was truly orchestrated by AEG, which is what I suspect.

Me too thank you .

SI think fans should be open to every possibility. If the Jacksons win it may mean the end of AEG, so I can very much see AEG play dirty. Even this dirty. But we will see.

Agree thank you .

I totally believe that they are behind it. It shows us, what they are capable of and who is the real evil here. But that is just my opinion.

Co signed a million,million times .

Well said. AEG is well known here in the U.S. for playing hardball and even being accused of being bullies in the way they practice some of their business dealings. People need to keep an open mind and don't be naïve.

Agree sooo much Thank you ..

He is nothing but a blip people .We should all remain strong . Wade Robson you are a Desperate fool and you very much know this . :wink:.

...and while we are talking of AEG, I hope YOU go DOWN .SINK Fools.

 

[SoCav]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Even if, for the sake of argument, we ignore the fact that he testified under oath that he was never molested, the fact that he defended MJ in various interviews for 20 years, and the speculation about him going bankrupt, I simply cannot imagine that a case built solely on a recovered memory (which iit is according to the latest reports) is going to be given much time in court. Although I am not sure what the legal stance on this is in the US, I do know that the existence of repressed memories is still an unresolved controversy in psychology. The evidence that has been proposed for this phenomenon is anecdotal, there is hardly any empirical evidence for it. At the same time, there is a lot of empircal evidence that shows how faulty our memory is, even when it comes to events that we strongly believe we remember accurately ("I remember every detail about the day that..."). Moreover, several studies have shown that it can even be relatively easy to create completely false memories, because our memories are very susceptible to suggestions made by others (such as therapists).

Another thing that came to my mind: although it is not my specialty, I did read about several cases of (supposed) recovered memories. From what I remember (note: this could be faulty ), the people who claimed to recover a memory of childhood sexual abuse were generally completely taken by surprise by this. Prior to (supposedly) recovering the memory, they had never considered the possibility that the person who (according to their memory) abused them could be a potential abuser. This case is of course very different - with the two cases against MJ being given worldwide attention and Wade Robson being asked directly about it several times.

In any case, I would be shocked if any of this would be taken seriously by anyone without (claims of) corroborating evidence. And again, this is when you do not even take all the other factors into account that have been mentioned here. The guy has zero credibility. Thankfully many people, also outside of MJ fan circles, seem to recognize this. I hope the Estate fights back and clears MJ's name of this.

 

[athina_livadi]

Wade Robinsons Testimony From Santa Maria Court May 5 2005

Shortly after the motion hearing, the much anticipated first defense witness Wade J Robson took the stand. Robson, who is a 22 year old dancer and film director upon direct examination by defense attorney Tom Mesereau, denied ever being touched inappropriately or being molested by Jackson.

Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever molest you at any time?" Mr. Mesereau.

"Absolutely not," Robson said.

"Did he ever touch you in a sexual way?" asked the attorney.

"No, not ever," said Robson.

"Did Michael Jackson ever touch your body inappropriately at any time?" asked Mesereau.

"No," said Robson.

Robson testified that he had stayed at Jackson’s Neverland ranch over 20 times and slept in his bedroom on many visits bar only about three to four times.

A former Jackson maid Blanca Francia, the mother of a boy who got a multimillion-dollar settlement from Jackson in the 1990s after accusing the star of molestation, testified previously that she once saw Jackson showering with Robson.

Robson said he had never showered with Jackson.

Asked what he did when he stayed in Jackson's room, Robson said they played video games, watched movies and talked.

"We have pillow fights every now and again," Robson said.

On cross-examination, Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen attacked Robson's story.

"What you're really telling us is that nothing happened while you were awake," the prosecutors said.

"I'm telling you nothing happened," said the witness.

Asked if something might have happened while he was asleep, Robson said, "I think something like that would wake me up."

Zonen then marched up to an unfaltering Robson at the witness stand carrying two books seized from Jackson’s ranch in 1993. One book showed pictures of nude boys while the other showed men in sexual acts.

Zonen asked Robson to look at the book about boys and asked if he would be concerned about a person who owns such a book sharing a bed with a boy.

"No," Robson said. "To me it's not a pornographic book. It's just a book."

But when shown the book depicting men in sex acts, the witness appeared taken aback.

"Would you be concerned with a man who possesses that book crawling into bed with a 10-year-old boy?" Zonen asked.

Robson paused and said quietly, "Yes."

Mesereau quickly countered, asking Robson if he would feel differently if he knew that Jackson also had a collection of 10 years' worth of Playboy, Hustler and other heterosexual magazines.

Robson said he would feel differently and would no longer be concerned about it.

Mesereau also pointed to a woman in the courtroom and said, "Mr. Robson, that is your fiancee right there, correct?"

"Yes," said the witness.

"You are heterosexual, correct?" Mesereau asked.

"Yes," Robson said.

During the cross-examination, Robson acknowledged that Jackson helped him move from Australia to the United States in September 1991 and that he was grateful for the help.

http://www.mjjstreet.com/the-santa-maria-trial-nov-03-to-june-05/thursday-05-may-2005/

 

[CherubimII]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

AEG is really spreading its MONEY around, and Wade got a piece.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I said what does 2013 holds for MJ back in the day. It is like any year with the number 3 on the end, someone comes out and lie on MJ. 1993, 2003, now 2013. Wade you make me sick to do this to MJ and lie.

 

[0o0jackie0o0]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

i dont really get why people want a statement from the family tho. They're not exactly credible. Its not like if latoya says michael is innocent everyones gonna believe her. Some support would be nice tho i guess. Interested in paris and prince's statements tho..

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

not that we give two shits as to what she has to say but EVEN Diane Dimond has switched sides here...her tweets.

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h Was Wade Robson lying at the #MichaelJackson criminal trial or now? Now he says he was a molestation vic. Will others surface w/same claim?

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 1h Wade Robson once testified #MichaelJackson NEVER molested him as a kid. Now he declares he's a victim. Wants estate $ http://ow.ly/kOoHX

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond 4h Frmr Kid Playmate to #Michael Jackson now says he WAS molested by MJ. Wade Robson & psych file papers 4 $$ http://ow.ly/kOoCy More2come?

Dimond is just asking rethorical questions here (trying to act "impartial"). She's obviously not switched sides. She believes now she was right about Wade all along. I hope Wade is happy about now being in Diane's little club of MJ "victims"...

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I agree. Go to CNN, go to the New York post, go to daily New York, etc.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Those people believed it way before Wade. so it does not matter what those people think. They already think negative about MJ anyway.

 

[karom]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

But if the guy is 30 now and he hasn't "slept over" at Michael's since he was 14, that makes it at least 16 years since the alleged crime. That is to say if he claims MJ molested him when he was 14 which IMO, he would have to be very hard-headed to claim. :smilerolleyes: So, wouldn't the SOL have expired? Isn't that like 8 years after the age of majority for child molestation in California? I could be wrong, just asking. :lol:

 

[Smooth72]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

AEG sucks this is dirty pool. Wade has just ended his career if it was not already over. I believe he was paid or blackmail to do this. After all I have always thought and conspiracy theory aside AEG has blood on there hands and they are trying to wash them off. It will probably get much worse from here friends AEG is going for the throat. I am not a fan of the Jackson family but I hope they take AEG to the cleaners and bankrupt there ass. With all this negative press I believe it will fail and they will pay. Carma is a bitch AEG.

 

[terrell]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

praising him for what? Those people are sick and just haters. WHo would praise someone who claimed not to abuse but later claim to be abuse and sue for $$$$$$

 

[amoremotus]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Was it already discussed here why it is a creditors claim? Is that a "normal" procedure in a case like this? I thought you would do such a claim is someone has debts with you?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Even if, for the sake of argument, we ignore the fact that he testified under oath that he was never molested, the fact that he defended MJ in various interviews for 20 years, and the speculation about him going bankrupt, I simply cannot imagine that a case built solely on a recovered memory (which iit is according to the latest reports) is going to be given much time in court. Although I am not sure what the legal stance on this is in the US, I do know that the existence of repressed memories is still an unresolved controversy in psychology. The evidence that has been proposed for this phenomenon is anecdotal, there is hardly any empirical evidence for it. At the same time, there is a lot of empircal evidence that shows how faulty our memory is, even when it comes to events that we strongly believe we remember accurately ("I remember every detail about the day that..."). Moreover, several studies have shown that it can even be relatively easy to create completely false memories, because our memories are very susceptible to suggestions made by others (such as therapists).

Another thing that came to my mind: although it is not my specialty, I did read about several cases of (supposed) recovered memories. From what I remember (note: this could be faulty ), the people who claimed to recover a memory of childhood sexual abuse were generally completely taken by surprise by this. Prior to (supposedly) recovering the memory, they had never considered the possibility that the person who (according to their memory) abused them could be a potential abuser. This case is of course very different - with the two cases against MJ being given worldwide attention and Wade Robson being asked directly about it several times.

In any case, I would be shocked if any of this would be taken seriously by anyone without (claims of) corroborating evidence. And again, this is when you do not even take all the other factors into account that have been mentioned here. The guy has zero credibility. Thankfully many people, also outside of MJ fan circles, seem to recognize this. I hope the Estate fights back and clears MJ's name of this.

I don't think it really is a "repressed memory" case. They claim it is because of obvious reasons (deadline for creditor's claim passed, to avoid being accused of perjury in 2005), but I don't believe that Wade somehow got convinced by his therapist that he was molested and now he believes that. Other circumstances point to it being a greed case, rather than "repressed memory". Such as Wade being broke. And then there's this suspect timing too...

 

[mysterygirl7]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

He must really be desperate for cash.....

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

From TMZ:

Omarion
Rips Wade Robson
'Maybe He Needs Some Extra Change'



Wade Robson's new sexual abuse claim against Michael Jackson is just plain "whack" ... this according to Omarion, who tells TMZ he thinks Wade might be lying to make a quick buck.

The R&B superstar was out at Supperclub in Hollywood last night, when we broke the news to the singer about Wade's new allegation -- that MJ sexually abused him as a child.




"I can't believe that ... I can't believe you would sue a dead man," Omarion said.

Omarion says Robson -- a hugely successful dance choreographer -- might simply looking for a quick payday. O then goes on to defend MJ.

So, we gotta ask ...

​

 

[cinderella]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Poor Michael, they don't want to leave him alone even after his death

 

[wendijane]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

It will probably get much worse from here friends AEG is going for the throat. I am not a fan of the Jackson family but I hope they take AEG to the cleaners and bankrupt there ass. With all this negative press I believe it will fail and they will pay. Carma is a bitch AEG.

:clapping:YES !!!!! Always darkness before the dawn.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

People say on Twitter that Robson is currently artistic director of Demi Lovato. Who is promoted by AEG...

http://www.aeglive.com/artists/view/108796/

 

[Courtney]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

Those people believed it way before Wade. so it does not matter what those people think. They already think negative about MJ anyway.

I agree. I feel like the people who know the truth will continue to know the truth. While the people who don't know the truth will continue to believe the lies. No minds or opinions will be changed. The same people who are saying today that he did it are the same people who said it 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

 

[LastTear]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

^^^^ You want the Jacksons rewarded for bringing this trial and all the c*ap it brought with it?

 

[SoCav]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I don't think it really is a "repressed memory" case. They claim it is because of obvious reasons (deadline for creditor's claim passed, to avoid being accused of perjury in 2005), but I don't believe that Wade somehow got convinced by his therapist that he was molested and now he believes that. Other circumstances point to it being a greed case, rather than "repressed memory". Such as Wade being broke. And then there's this suspect timing too...

I did not mean to suggest that I think that he got convinced by his therapist that he was molested and now genuinely believes that. Although there is of course a chance of this being the case, I agree that other factors, such as the ones you mention, make that seem less likely than that this is about greed. My point was just that even if you leave out all these other issues, it would be shocking to me if a case solely based on a recovered memory would ever go far in a court of law (given the lack of evidence for this phenomenon).

 

[amoremotus]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

I agree. I feel like the people who know the truth will continue to know the truth. While the people who don't know the truth will continue to believe the lies. No minds or opinions will be changed. The same people who are saying today that he did it are the same people who said it 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

I am not sure about that. I think there are many people out there that are not sure. it is really not about the haters that would always believe he was guilty vs the fans that know better.

But as of right now the media is at least questioning the motives of him so that is good. I hope it will stay that way...