[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why is anyone taking this seriously?

because he fits right into the media plan that MJ was a child molester.
Brett Barnes has been very vocal with his disgust over Wade. Where has that been reported?

 

[christy]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
LIFE'S A BEACH

I see they bought a mop to mop up the lies. Maybe he wanted to get Michael's money so they could hire someone to do the grocery shopping & live in style.

Who travels thousands of miles to go on 2 TV shows to make a fool of themselves & then travel back thousands of miles to buy a mop, some cleaning agent, & a few other household products. I hope he has a job waiting for him on Monday. Hopefully there is some dancing to be done in Hawaii.

Wade Robson surfaced in Hawaii with his wife and son on Friday ... sportin' an Aloha shirt and some flip flops following his "Michael Jackson molested me as a kid" media blitz.

We broke the story ... Wade recently sold his Santa Monica condo and skipped town to live with his wife and kid in her hometown on the island.

Wade shouldn't get too comfortable though ... he's gonna have to fly back to L.A. at some point to follow up on his claim against the Michael Jackson Estate.

In the meantime, it's 80 degrees in Hawaii right now ... with a slight chance of awesome.

Aloha.


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What? No food for the baby? :doh:

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

because he fits right into the media plan that MJ was a child molester.
Brett Barnes has been very vocal with his disgust over Wade. Where has that been reported?

I'm actually surprised at how the mainstream media and TMZ are handling this. They're not as biased against MJ as I expected.

Take that TMZ article about Wade in Hawaii for example. Of course, the agenda behind it is to portray Wade as being totally unaffected by his recent discovery of years of sexual abuse. It doesn't put him in a good light.

 

[maral]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

because he fits right into the media plan that MJ was a child molester.
Brett Barnes has been very vocal with his disgust over Wade. Where has that been reported?

really? way to go Brett! it hasn't been reported as far as i've seen. what does he say?

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

really? way to go Brett! it hasn't been reported as far as i've seen. what does he say?

he posted on his facebook and twitter. For instance:

[h=5]Brett Barnes[/h]9. maj via Twitter

[h=5]I wish people would realise, in your last moments on this earth, all the money in the world will be of no comfort. My clear conscience will.

[/h]

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

About this taking away from One: I think we can multi-task--like go to One, which I am doing on Thursday and also follow this case so we can be available to give facts when needed.

That article about Wade's lawyer looking at the 05 case & trying to get that woman to testify is the best news I have heard. I hope it is true. The estate will have all her different answers to present to her. This lawyer is a fool if he wants to rely on a person who was laughed at at court & found to be a liar, as his star witness. Tickler can go too, because the estate will also have all his answers as well, where he changed his story so he could "get out of there" when the detectives were questioning him inappropriately. Plus they will have his answers from 05. I still do not understand why after the 05 testimony Michael's people did not sue tickler for fraud & get the money back plus interest. They had some good evidence from the 05 trial & the detective questioning process. The insurance company should also go after Chandler for fraud, and use the book information & Chandler's remarks to his friends. That would surely stir him up in his complacency. Look how vigorously Lloyd dug to get information so they would not have to pay that claim. I wish that insurance company was a little more creative & go after Chandler to return that money with interest. He needs to be scared so he can say it was not me but my parents who made me do it.

 

[maral]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm actually surprised at how the mainstream media and TMZ are handling this. They're not as biased against MJ as I expected.

Take that TMZ article about Wade in Hawaii for example. Of course, the agenda behind it is to portray Wade as being totally unaffected by his recent discovery of years of sexual abuse. It doesn't put him in a good light.

i think it's really hard to be biast against MJ this time around. even if they believe the allegations one would be a fool to take Wade seriously since his story is just THAT crazy? who would believe that a 22 year old who had a girlfriend at the time (thus he knows one thing or two) didn't know what molestation was while he was a star witness at a MOLESTATION TRIAL!
frankly, even if i believed the fool i'd be disgusted by him

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That article about Wade's lawyer looking at the 05 case & trying to get that woman to testify is the best news I have heard. I hope it is true. The estate will have all her different answers to present to her. This lawyer is a fool if he wants to rely on a person who was laughed at at court & found to be a liar, as his star witness. Tickler can go too, because the estate will also have all his answers as well, where he changed his story so he could "get out of there" when the detectives were questioning him inappropriately. Plus they will have his answers from 05

can you imagine that mess in court, for the world to see? :lol: All Branca an McClain will have to do is put tickler and gang up there, then sit back and watch them fry.

 

[HIStory]

And someone tweeted this to Brett:

Trouble777 &#8207;<s>@</s>nrt5887 <small class="time"> 8 May </small> <s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes please don't do a wade robson and falsely accuse MJ in the future...i really hope u don't...

To which he replied:

Brett Barnes &#8207;<s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
<s>@</s>nrt5887 please don't offend me like that.

Also:

KT &#8207;<s>@</s>caramelicedtea <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
<s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes you can cuss <s>@</s>DiDimond out directly about how she hopes and prays you were abused.

Brett Barnes &#8207;<s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
<s>@</s>caramelicedtea nah, she ain't worth my time, or any of my 140 characters.

KT &#8207;<s>@</s>caramelicedtea <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
She could at least try and pretend she cares/contacted you before she goes off praying you were a victim to the world. <s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes

Brett Barnes &#8207;<s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
<s>@</s>caramelicedtea yeah, but the outcome wouldn't sell stories or create any scandals.

Also (Brett is Australian like Wade):

SoSoKate Bussin©®&#8482; &#8207;<s>@</s>sosodeaf <small class="time"> 8 May </small>
Can we deport him?




Brett Barnes &#8207;<s>@</s>IAmBrettBarnes


<s>@</s>sosodeaf nah, we don't want him

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

i think it's really hard to be biast against MJ this time around. even if they believe the allegations one would be a fool to take Wade seriously since his story is just THAT crazy? who would believe that a 22 year old who had a girlfriend at the time (thus he knows one thing or two) didn't know what molestation was while he was a star witness at a MOLESTATION TRIAL!
frankly, even if i believed the fool i'd be disgusted by him

Maybe Wade & his girlfriend were only tickling each other, so Wade still did not understand what the penis was all about, and what touching it was all about.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe Wade & his girlfriend were only tickling each other, so Wade still did not understand what the penis was all about, and what touching it was all about.

But even if we give that benefit of doubt, how do you explain that he didnt say yes or no to questions about if Michael had touched him here or there? You can answer that without knowing why it happened. I can say that yes, the world rotates, but i dont understand exactly how and why....

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

can you imagine that mess in court, for the world to see? :lol: All Branca an McClain will have to do is put tickler and gang up there, then sit back and watch them fry.

Ha oh I would love to see this. The whole gang squirming after being attacked with all the information the estate lawyers will have.

Australia did not want back Wade; that is why he went to Hawaii. Poor little kid; he does not even know what his da da has done. I hope the knowledge will not affect him when he becomes of age. I hope adult males in the business stayed away from Wade's son, because people like Wade may try to say someone with money did something to their son.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Brett was friends with Taj when he knew MJ, you can see Taj retweeted his comment too.

Taj, Frank Cascio, Jodi Gomes, Alan Duke, have all RTed Vogel's article.


If this goes to trial all Wade will have are the shady discredited third party witnesses who are digging bigger holes for him by selling MORE stories to tabloids. He could possibly have Jason to back him up. But I don't believe Gavin will be there (unless he can ensure he will also get some money), and Jordan and his family sure as hell won't be there.

I wonder if he understands how bad his case is.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But even if we give that benefit of doubt, how do you explain that he didnt say yes or no to questions about if Michael had touched him here or there? You can answer that without knowing why it happened. I can say that yes, the world rotates, but i dont understand exactly how and why....

Helloooooo, we are talking about Wade here, so when he was asked the questions, he did not know the MEANINGS of ANY of the words. He did not want to say so, because he was threatened he would go to jail; so he said NO because he remembered that whenever he was in trouble and he said No to his mama's questions, she would forgive him.

It was only after he was off in the career trajectory and collapsed that the MEANING of those words from the trial made themselves known to him. At the same time he UNDERSTOOD the actions Michael did to him & he did to Michael.

 

[Aquarius]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If this Francia decides to join forces with Wade the other employees that accused Michael might want to joint them. Probably they might start to talk more garbage, I don't like that.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Helloooooo, we are talking about Wade here, so when he was asked the questions, he did not know the MEANINGS of ANY of the words. He did not want to say so, because he was threatened he would go to jail; so he said NO because he remembered that whenever he was in trouble and he said No to his mama's questions, she would forgive him.

It was only after he was off in the career trajectory and collapsed that the MEANING of those words from the trial made themselves known to him. At the same time he UNDERSTOOD the actions Michael did to him & he did to Michael.

Yes, it makes perfect sense rolleyes: ) It was the career trajectory that made all the difference. If it wasnt for that, he'd still be in his denial state. Poor lamb he is...

 

[mdiegee210]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know they are being paid for their interviews so if it's Legal could we send the stations that they are going to appear on a brief email of their back ground and testimony.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, it makes perfect sense rolleyes: ) It was the career trajectory that made all the difference. If it wasnt for that, he'd still be in his denial state. Poor lamb he is...

Yeah, poor boo boo baby.

Aquarius if they join & start talking nonsense, how much more harmful can their statements be than their previous. ^^This woman in her last interview has not said anything that can be more damaging than what she said before. When thieves like them join up, they begin cutting each others throats and arguing about who should get more money, ect., & then they start snitching on each other. I have no fear of what these people can do. I really think that Wade's case will be a tool to vindicate Michael, if we recognize that it is, & get organized to use its weak points to show that. This has already been started by several people here and elsewhere. Then, when it gets to court if it does, that would be the best vindication ever!!

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

the more they give interviews the better, it would only damage their credibility because no way they are volunteering to speak with getting paid .

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know they are being paid for their interviews so if it's Legal could we send the stations that they are going to appear on a brief email of their back ground and testimony.

I think fans sent the show Wade went on some good questions. Notice that none of those were used. All the interview said was that he got contacted by many fans. The media does not want to challenge these types of anti-Michael people. They want to use them for future stories, so they treat them with kid gloves.

 

[Courtney]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did Access Hollywood ever air Wade's interview? I haven't heard anything about it yet...

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know what Ivy wrote about this section only allowed to members. That's why I suggested it shouldn't be allowed new ones while this f*ckery goes on.

I'm not sure why this topic is tucked away here in a registration only area. Why can't people using the boards see it freely, there's good info here and good arguments, it should be seen by as many as poss. I don't understand the argument (if it is because of that) that lawyers are going to alter their strategy from reading our posts, we only know stuff from already published sources, we don't have inside knowledge.

I believe the "my truth" thing has something to do with his therapy. He is saying that 'this is what it means to ME, others may have had a different experience'. And since it is 'his truth', it cannot be invalidated because it is what HE knows to be true.

It's a ridiculous choice of words in a he said, he said case. Does a woman in a rape case say it's my truth that i was raped?

Has anyone been able to confirm if it's true he got let go from the Cirque show due to his failure to pass the mandatory drug testing?

No there's no confirmation. The estate's statment says he was going to be used but his son got sick. They made this statement after robson filed his abuse complaint so there was no reason for them to protect him. A revenge motive for robson against being dropped by the mj estate from a big mj tribute show would be useful ammunition. If it was true, why didn't the estate say this?

I wonder if he understands how bad his case is.

I guess that's why he's looking for more victims, a bandwagon like saville.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

the more they give interviews the better, it would only damage their credibility because no way they are volunteering to speak with getting paid .

True and then they don't remember their lies, so you have more information to throw at them in court. I am glad Wade went on tv. He was supposed to be quiet. Now they have saying he did not understand that Michael's actions meant molestation, when he answered NO to the questions in court. This is perfect, since Wade is providing information to help the Estate if they go to trial. You can tell that Wade thinks he is very clever, which is dangerous for him, because it would make him take risks that are not well thought out since he feels he is clever enough to handle them.

I wonder if the paps are hiding around his house looking at what he is doing. Who told the paps when Wade would arrive in New York, when Wade will arrive in LA, when Wade will arrive in Hawaii?

 

[michaeljackson&lisamarie]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm concerned about katherine also. I can not even imagine being a mother and having people make up disgusting lies about your son through out his entire adult hood. especially when you know in your soul that your son in completely innocent. and now they're continueing to do it through out his death too. I don't know how much more kathrine will be able to take. hell I don't know how much more I can take.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't understand how he can say at 22 he did not understand the things Michael did was wrong when Michael was in court for doing the same thing to a kid he says Michael did to him. And if it is true that he and his Mother helped Jermaine write his book about Michael being innocent then buddy your bacon is cooked

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

True and then they don't remember their lies, so you have more information to throw at them in court. I am glad Wade went on tv. He was supposed to be quiet.

In that short interview when he arrived at LAX he said he did this bacause it was part of his "healing process": he learnt he had to talk it out as loudly as he did to heal... I wonder how does that jive with the fact they originally quietly tried to blackmail the Estate with a creditor's claim under seal....

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Don't forget we are talking about WADE; he is different.

Wade reminds me of that song that was popular some summers ago & has a chorus "It Wasn't Me." Does anyone remember that song & who it is by? The guy did all kinds of things & his girl friend caught him and he still says "it wasn't me." That is Wade--asked the questions & answered them, and still claims he does not Understand the same actions that are related to the questions.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In that short interview when he arrived at LAX he said he did this bacause it was part of his "healing process": he learnt he had to talk it out as loudly as he did to heal... I wonder how does that jive with the fact they originally quietly tried to blackmail the Estate with a creditor's claim under seal....

Now we have 4 reasons: 1) when his son was born... ; 2) when the son was 18 months...; 3) for healing...; 4) he started intensive treatment which ultimately led to his ability to come forward," Gradstein said

That is why I like when they talk a lot.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Don't forget we are talking about WADE; he is different.

Wade reminds me of that song that was popular some summers ago & has a chorus "It Wasn't Me." Does anyone remember that song & who it is by? The guy did all kinds of things & his girl friend caught him and he still says "it wasn't me." That is Wade--asked the questions & answered them, and still claims he does not Understand the same actions that are related to the questions.

Shaggy is the singer. One of Michael's fav songs

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Don't forget we are talking about WADE; he is different.

Wade reminds me of that song that was popular some summers ago & has a chorus "It Wasn't Me." Does anyone remember that song & who it is by? The guy did all kinds of things & his girl friend caught him and he still says "it wasn't me." That is Wade--asked the questions & answered them, and still claims he does not Understand the same actions that are related to the questions.

One of Michael's favourite songs

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