[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know one thing , if you are telling the truth , you don't lie, you don't try to hide things, you don't forget very important details. June saying she did not recall there were problems between her and Evan before August was a damn lie. Why did she feel she had to lie ? Her amnesia regarding her own lawyer Michael Freeman at the time is also mind boggling. Her denial that Evan asked for money as early as May was also striking. Finally her claims that she never saw other parents in MJs bedroom while in the next sentence she admitted she was always allowed there because " I am his mother" , not to mention her brother and sister in law showed how manipulative and determined she was to twist all the details to fit their story.

These must be a special hell for her and her family.

On another note, I am truly happy and quite surprised by the amount of love MJ is getting all over the internet. I've been a fan since 1995 ,I have never experience this amount of positivity toward him. I do finally believe Rupert Murdoch and his cronies have lost the battle.

 

[twinklEE]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know one thing , if you are telling the truth , you don't lie, you don't try to hide things, you don't forget very important details. June saying she did not recall there were problems between her and Evan before August was a damn lie. Why did she feel she had to lie ? Her amnesia regarding her own lawyer Michael Freeman at the time is also mind boggling. Her denial that Evan asked for money as early as May was also striking. Finally her claims that she never saw other parents in MJs bedroom while in the next sentence she admitted she was always allowed there because " I am his mother" , not to mention her brother and sister in law showed how manipulative and determined she was to twist all the details to fit their story.

These must be a special hell for her and her family.

On another note, I am truly happy and quite surprised by the amount of love MJ is getting all over the internet. I've been a fan since 1995 ,I have never experience this amount of positivity toward him. I do finally believe Rupert Murdoch and his cronies have lost the battle.

They all need to die of cancer or something even more horrendous. I pray that there's a special place in hell for every single one of them especially 'precious little' Jordan. This whole family and their family tree needs to be sucked off of the surface of this planet. smh

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I apologize , it may not be excatly gay, but it has a lot of sexual references including gay. Jordan co wrote it with his dad . Robin Hood Men in Tights, immediately before the allegations.

Oh, OK. Robin Hood Men in Tights. Yes, it has sexual "jokes", but it is not a "gay movie". Also, most of it was NOT written by the Chandlers.

 

[AliCat]

I don't believe Evan Chandler had a hand in the writing of the movie, "Robin Hood: Men In Tights."

Like I previously mentioned, it was Evan's patient that wrote it. I believe Evan wanted his name in the credits because it is evidently important to do in Hollywood. A sort of resume for future projects.

Hence, where the large settlement of money came from for negotiating with Michael Jackson.

Not long after becoming a professional, Shapiro experienced the kind of fairy-tale career moment of which every would-be screenwriter dreams. Shapiro became friendly with his dentist, Evan Chandler, who had aspirations of a show-business career. Chandler mentioned that one of his patients worked for comedy legend Mel Brooks, the director of spoof movies including Blazing Saddles and Spaceballs. Interest in the classic Robin Hood character had recently been revived by the release of the Kevin Costner hit Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, so a light bulb went off: “Instead of Friar Tuck, I saw Mel playing ‘Rabbi Tuckman,’ and everything fell in place,” Shapiro recalls. He wrote the script that became Robin Hood: Men in Tights, which Chandler presented to Brooks’ associate.

Shapiro can’t help but grin when he describes what happened next: “Mel got the script on a Sunday, and the next day I got the call that Mel read it and wanted to meet me. I met him on Wednesday. The next day, Mel said yes to the project.”

http://www.scriptmag.com/features/writer-profiles/beyond-the-page-funny-changes-everything

 

[GreenEyes]

There is a really good chance that this will never go to trial. I just don't think it will. In the State of California there is a very strict Statute of Limitations law on filing a claim against the estate of a deceased person. I think that Robson and Safechuck both know it and that's the reason they timed their lawsuits the way they did. Robson brought his out right at the beginning of the AEG trial. Safechuck brought his the day of the Xscape release. That was NOT by accident. They knew the world would be watching for MJ news, so they thought that filing these claims would blackmail the estate into paying them off to make them go away. Clearly they thought wrong.

They make a claim that is sealed... but then go to the media (TMZ and Diane Dimond for Safechuck and TMZ and the Today Show for Robson). Come on... sealed my a**! They clearly wanted this to leak into the media and shakedown the estate. But they clearly underestimated their power and the media largely ignored them both.

There is only one year to do it after someone dies - to file a claim against the estate. I don't know how a judge can just ignore the laws of the state and make up his own timeframe to allow a claim. I just can't see it happening.

The Deadly Deadline for Suing Decedents: California’s Toughest Statute of Limitations in Trust, Probate, Estate, and Civil Cases
By Stewart R. Albertson on April 30th, 2012

Statutes of limitations scare me—and they should scare you too. If you don’t file a lawsuit within the applicable statute of limitations, you’re done, case over. For example, legal malpractice cases must be filed within one year, most personal injury actions within two years, and medical malpractice actions within one or three years. That analysis changes if you intend to sue a public entity, and in that case, you may only have six months. Confused? I know I am.

Once you determine which statute of limitation applies to your case, you may be surprised to learn that in California all claims are subject to the toughest statute of limitation when suing someone who has died.

Under California law, there’s an absolute one-year statute of limitations to bring a lawsuit against someone who’s died—no matter the underlying statute of limitations. For example, you generally have four years to bring a lawsuit for breach of written contract. But if the person breaching your contract dies, you no longer have four years—you only have one year to file suit. This one-year statute comes up all the time in California Trust, Probate, Estate, and Civil litigation.

For example, there are times when a married couple creates a revocable Trust that cannot be revoked (in whole or in part) by the surviving spouse after the death of the first spouse. Yet, notwithstanding this requirement, the surviving spouse may take all the assets out of the revocable Trust and transfer them to a new Trust she creates. This is a breach of Trust because it violates the Trust terms and the new Trust may favor different beneficiaries than the old one did. Maybe the old Trust made gifts to the husband’s children, whereas the new Trust only favors the wife’s children. So the husband’s children sue the successor Trustee of wife’s new Trust after wife dies.

But that is a mistake. In fact, it’s a fatal mistake because the successor Trustee has no legal liability for the wife’s breach of Trust. The correct procedure is to sue the deceased wife’s estate. But under California’s statute of limitation for suing deceased individuals, a lawsuit against wife’s estate must be filed before the one-year anniversary of her death. Most of the time, husband’s children miss this deadline and file, if at all, after the statute has run. Too late—case over. The one-year statute of limitations will defeat the deceased husband’s children from recovering the property.

Thus, the one-year statute of limitations can be a powerful weapon to defeat lawsuits, or an impossible hurdle to overcome in prosecuting a lawsuit, against a decedent—depending on which side of the case you find yourself. Even where longer statutes of limitations would otherwise apply to a case if the decedent had continued living, this one-year limitation prevails. You are now forewarned!

http://www.albertsondavidsonpost.co...ions-in-trust-probate-estate-and-civil-cases/

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh, OK. Robin Hood Men in Tights. Yes, it has sexual "jokes", but it is not a "gay movie". Also, most of it was NOT written by the Chandlers.

JD Shapiro told me that none of it was written by them - Jordan had helped come up with the idea, but that was it. Evan only helped with Shapiro's spelling and grammar as he has dyslexia.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

We also know a National Enquirer employee had been contacted in May 1993, with one of them giving all the details of the supposed abuse to them over the phone for a story, but as there was no proof, they couldn't print it - this is before Jordan supposedly was drugged to confess in July, so how did they know all the details already?

Where you get this info from if it wasn't printed? If true, that some real important info right there. But, who is saying this took place?

An ex National Enquirer employee who my friend contacted.


If this case goes to court, we'd give her details, and the details of dozens of other people we've found, to the estate.

But she's real and she told us that. Her name is Lydia and I always forget the last name, I'd have to check my notes.

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Sex Abuse Accuser Wade Robson Wants To Review Michael Jackson’s Molestation Criminal File — King Of Pop’s Estate Legal Team Says ‘Beat It’

Posted on May 23, 2014 @ 14:29PM | By Jen Heger - Assistant Managing Editor



The estate of Michael Jackson and lawyers for sex accuser Wade Robson, are in a legal dogfight regarding the choreographer’s request to have access to the late King of Pop’s Santa Barbara molestation criminal file, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

Robson, a dancer-choreographer who testified on behalf of Jackson in the singer’s 2005 sex abuse trial, changed his tune last year, claiming that Jackson allegedly molested him for seven years when he was just seven years of age.

Robson, now 31, filed a claim with the Jackson estate asking for money—but the late singer’s legal eagles say he’s waited too long to do so!



According to Robson, when he was a boy, his sister slept in another bed just feet away at Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. as the singer performed sex acts on him and forced him to reciprocate.

Now lawyers for Robson have filed blistering legal docs in response to opposition papers filed by Team Jackson over the request to review the Thriller singer’s criminal file, Radar has learned.

According to docs filed by Robson’s attorneys, the subpoenas served to Santa Barbara law enforcement “seek police reports, witness statements, and other information which directly relates to Wade Robson’s allegations against Michael Jackson, and which are necessary for Wade Robson…the subpoenas are entirely relevant to the subject matter involved in the pending action and reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. As such, Wade Robson is fully entitled as a matter of law to request these materials in order to support his claim.”

Read Robson’s Shocking Claims In The Court Documents

However, Team Jackson contends in their legal documents that Robson has brought his claim too late: “petition and evidentiary hearing thereon are solely about the timeliness of Robson’s alleged creditor’s claims and not about the merits of the claim. Thus, Robson is not entitled to take discovery in these proceedings in an attempt to prove the merits of his claims.”

In the summer of 1993, Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse by a 13-year-old boy named Jordan Chandler and his father, Dr. Evan Chandler, a dentist. Although he later settled the case out of court for $22 million, Jackson’s lawyers stated it was done without his consent.

Ten years after that claim, Jackson was arrested and charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent in relation to a different 13-year-old boy. Jackson was acquitted on all counts in 2005 after a five-month trial. The King of Pop died in 2009 at age 50.



Now, attorneys for Robson are pursuing his child molestation claim and have said in court documents “it is…necessary for Wade Robson to establish that he was sexually molested as a child, and that this abuse rendered him psychologically incapable of filing within the limitation period.

“Proof of childhood sexual abuse, sexual trauma and threats will be presented by direct evidence, corroborating evidence and evidence of Michael Jackson’s intent, plan, habit, and custom, which in the case of a pedophile, have a unique signature. Wade Robson’s subpoenas are reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.”

In closing, Robson implored the judge to allow access to Jackson’s criminal files to “show that Michael Jackson had a distinct and repeated modus operandi which is often the signature of serial pedophiles…Any evidence that Michael Jackson sought opportunities for his alleged crimes and planned and prepared them in a habitual, customary manner (or that Michael Jackson did not reasonably and in good faith believe that any of his alleged victims consented to sexual acts) will be admissible, and the subpoenas are reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of such evidence.”

Shocking Evidence Found In Michael Jackson’s Bedroom Where He Died – See The Photos

A hearing to determine if MJ’s criminal files will be turned over to Robson hasn’t been scheduled yet.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...wade-robson-molestation-case-new-legal-drama/

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it me and it could just be me but in my opinion everything that psychiatrist says contradicts everything Wade says.

 

[mjbunny]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That new Radar article... They can't possibly have legal claims to look at Santa Barbara Co's criminal investigation files when the judge hasn't even determined IF this case can go to court... can they? :blink: That would be seriously effed up. With that they're trying to say that I or anyone could file a creditors claim saying that I just realized MJ molested me, and then be given permission to dig through Sneddon's files to come up with more convincing "evidence" that I can then say matches things in the criminal file? Yeeaaah, that sounds kosher. Or maybe file a claim that Microsoft stole my secret technology, show no proof, have no approval yet to go to trial, but be given all their internal research and development records so I could "prove" my tech is the same as theirs by altering my work and making a duplicate to match so that I can prove that my case should go to trial. You've got to be kidding me.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

this is a clear case of legal bullying

 

[bluetopez]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ugh...didn't this happen a few months ago? Wade and his lawyers trying to ask for stuff he can't possibly have, when a Judge haven't even decided if this even gets to trial yet? Is this deja vu or rehashed shit on a slow news day?

 

[Soundmind]

It does not matter if he claims he just realized his problems were due to abuse in his childhood. He claimed he had no idea there was an estate , something which was refuted already. If the judge has any decency he would know that this guy made a big fat lie ( not to mention his history of denial) , he could very will be lying about the other excuses for late filing.

However, Team Jackson contends in their legal documents that Robson has brought his claim too late: “petition and evidentiary hearing thereon are solely about the timeliness of Robson’s alleged creditor’s claims and not about the merits of the claim. Thus, Robson is not entitled to take discovery in these proceedings in an attempt to prove the merits of his claims.”

Exactly

Now, attorneys for Robson are pursuing his child molestation claim and have said in court documents “it is…necessary for Wade Robson to establish that he was sexually molested as a child, and that this abuse rendered him psychologically incapable of filing within the limitation period.

So they want the judge to ignore the time limitation for now, allow them to try the molestation claim first then they would proof the trauma prevented him from filing on time ? How ridiculous.

 

[HIStory]

They make a claim that is sealed... but then go to the media (TMZ and Diane Dimond for Safechuck and TMZ and the Today Show for Robson). Come on... sealed my a**! They clearly wanted this to leak into the media and shakedown the estate.

I think they wanted it to leak on their own terms - to pick and choose what they leak from it.

Re. the RadarOnline article. This is nothing but scare and pressure tactic. Acting like it's already discovery phase when the Judge has not even decided if the case can go through.

So he couldn't file because he was so traumatized? I think he will say his trauma led to know realizing anal rape was sexual abuse until he was 30. But thank God he became a father and thank God MJ's prophecy failed, because that all of a sudden made him see the light. Even though 20 years of public allegations against MJ in the media and in two cases did not trigger anything in him. But MJ's failed prophecy did. I just hope the Judge sees this BS for what it is.

In closing, Robson implored the judge to allow access to Jackson’s criminal files to “show that Michael Jackson had a distinct and repeated modus operandi which is often the signature of serial pedophiles…Any evidence that Michael Jackson sought opportunities for his alleged crimes and planned and prepared them in a habitual, customary manner (or that Michael Jackson did not reasonably and in good faith believe that any of his alleged victims consented to sexual acts) will be admissible, and the subpoenas are reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of such evidence.”

But that is exactly a problem for them. When we put these allegations next to each other, then we get a picture of the most patternless alleged molester ever.... There is not "distinct and repeated modus operandi" at all! Wade now claims things that no other accuser ever claimed.

In case the Judge let it through he would create a very dangerous precedent. This would mean that all statues of limitations can go out the window in California from then on in the case of sexual abuse allegations (and possibly it would also affect other type of allegations where some kind of psychological trauma can be claimed). Even 50 years after someone's death then someone could claim he or she was so traumatized that he couldn't file before.

 

[passy001]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Absolutely ridiculous indeed. Besides MJ was acquitted on all charges. which makes those so called-discoveries almost useless. the prosecution completely failed to prove every aspect of their case, including minor charges. Wade trying to bring up similarities with those allegations isn't going to fly because those were proven false. As far as the law is concerned MJ did nothing wrong. Two lies cannot make up the truth.

what's more, as I said before, the details of the 2005 allegations are almost part of the public domain. so anyone can access them to model his own allegations against MJ or anyone else. its very easy.

Additionally, MJ is not here to defend himself. so all we have is Wade unproven accusations. the accused has been dead for 5 years now, which is way too late and not to mention prejudicial to him.

To prove his allegations, wade will have to show evidence that MJ did fondle him and actually performed sex with him. there is no way in hell anyone can prove that even with the nonsense they are asking from the police.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the judge allows WR to go through old criminal files, then I would say the judge is not doing their job. And there still isn't going to be anything found anyway. WR is completely deluded. He lost some brain cells I think between 2005 and now.

 

[passy001]

In closing, Robson implored the judge to allow access to Jackson’s criminal files to “show that Michael Jackson had a distinct and repeated modus operandi which is often the signature of serial pedophiles…Any evidence that Michael Jackson sought opportunities for his alleged crimes and planned and prepared them in a habitual, customary manner (or that Michael Jackson did not reasonably and in good faith believe that any of his alleged victims consented to sexual acts) will be admissible, and the subpoenas are reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of such evidence.”

LOL. Those were proven false. the prosecution failed in epic fashion to prove anything. So they did 14 times according to the 2005 jury.

 

[passy001]

The Deadly Deadline for Suing Decedents: California’s Toughest Statute of Limitations in Trust, Probate, Estate, and Civil Cases
By Stewart R. Albertson on April 30th, 2012

Statutes of limitations scare me—and they should scare you too. If you don’t file a lawsuit within the applicable statute of limitations, you’re done, case over. For example, legal malpractice cases must be filed within one year, most personal injury actions within two years, and medical malpractice actions within one or three years. That analysis changes if you intend to sue a public entity, and in that case, you may only have six months. Confused? I know I am.

http://www.albertsondavidsonpost.co...ions-in-trust-probate-estate-and-civil-cases/

I think that should apply to MJ since he was a public figure.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So they want the judge to ignore the time limitation for now, allow them to try the molestation claim first then they would proof the trauma prevented him from filing on time ? How ridiculous. [/COLOR]

Ohhhh! Now I get it! I thought he was trying to just push it as though it had circumvented the statutes already, but I see, he's trying to use this to prove he was traumatized so he couldn't file.

That makes this even MORE stupid!

So he's not trying to prove HIS abuse, because he clearly has nothing real there to prove it, so he's now trying to bring in the other allegations to try and claim it proves a pattern exists, thus Wade must be a victim, thus he's traumatized, thus he couldn't file on time. BUT WADE YOU ****, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THOSE ALLEGATIONS WERE FACTUAL TO START WITH. You can't just claim "someone said this about MJ too once, that means I'm right!"

What a stupid desperate argument. They just want to continue making headlines.

I refuse to believe a judge would be THAT stupid to allow an argument like that to allow discovery, in order to circumvent the statutes.

So the case being taken off calender, we still don't know why? Safechuck? So when is the date for it to be tossed now?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LOL. Those were proven false. the prosecution failed in epic fashion to prove anything. So they did 14 times according to the 2005 jury.

Exactly. How many times people will try to bring up unproven, uncharged allegations against MJ as a "proof"? I mean this is exactly one of the reasons why the Judge's decision to allow "prior bad acts" testimony in 2005 was so questionable: the prosecution brought in claims as "proof" against MJ which were never even sufficient to secure a grand jury indictment in 1993. Now, the 2005 allegations will be added to that - allegations which were tried and resulted in an acquittal. Good luck with trying to use Gavin's allegations in support of yours...

I hope Michael's constitutional rights won't get violated once again.

And if Wade's side wants to talk about patterns and modus operandis, let's talk about that then:

- Wade's claim is that MJ started to molest him at the age of 7 and stopped at 13-14, once he started to show signs of puberty.

- Jordan and Gavin claimed he started to molest them at 13.

- Wade claims MJ started to molest him right away on the very first night they were left alone. There was no grooming, no build-up. Nothing. And every time they were alone in a room MJ molested him, according to his allegations.

- Jordan claimed MJ built up the molestation in slow, gradual steps. Starting with innocent things like a hug, a kiss on the cheek - one at a time.

- Gavin claimed between the ages of 10 until 13 MJ tried to avoid him and then started to molest him at 13 in February 2003 when the whole world was watching because of the Bashir documentary and WHILE the DA and Child Protective Services were investigating because of the Bashir documentary.

- Wade claims anal penetration and anal rape.

- No other accuser ever claimed such a thing. Since Wade's alleged abuse chronologically precedes the Chandlers we will have to believe that MJ went from the more violent and brutal acts (and that with younger kids!) to milder acts with (older) kids he met later, not the other way around as it would be expected in such cases.


I think Jimmy's allegations will probably be constructed similarly to Wade's to try to build a "pattern" and will claim similar things, but that doesn't prove a pattern since he is represented by the same lawyer and he just hopped on Wade's bandwagon.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

According to Robson, when he was a boy, his sister slept in another bed just feet away at Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. as the singer performed sex acts on him and forced him to reciprocate.

Seriously Wade? Since when would a supposed abuser molest a kid while there's a potential witness in the room?! People could be forgiven for thinking this is a Guinness world record attempt for the most ridiculous and inconsistent claims made in one lawsuit. *Annoyed groan.*

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what else can he say? I mean he is blaming trauma for the wild stories and 180 degree change in his stories , but his sister already under oath multiple times saying she was there, they can't claim she was traumatized also and manipulated into believing she was there but she was not.

of course the stories would be wild and ridiculous, the whole family not only made depositions many times but took the stand.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even if it is true that he was too mentality damaged to come forward why lie and say you didn't know there was an estate? You lie about that what else are you not telling about? And he said Michael told him he and Wade will go to jail for the rest of there lives, police officers are trained to tell kids if he told you blah blah I'm telling you that is not going to go jail they will even go to the extreme and lie and say the abuser is not going to go to jail we just want to help him. And when you are in your 20s you know that is not going to happen

 

[HIStory]

Seriously Wade? Since when would a supposed abuser molest a kid while there's a potential witness in the room?! People could be forgiven for thinking this is a Guinness world record attempt for the most ridiculous and inconsistent claims made in one lawsuit. *Annoyed groan.*

To be precise, in his lawsuit he claims Chantal spent the night on a different floor in Michael's bedroom, not "just feet away".

But they have it reversed compared to what they told at the trial. Now Wade says it was the first night they all (him, Chantal and MJ) spent in the same bed and then the next night Chantal "expressed concern" about it and slept on another floor. However in 2005 Chantal said Wade and MJ spent the first night in the same bed alone and then she became more comfortable with Michael and she spent the second night with them as well:

1 Were you interviewed by Scott Ross, an

2 investigator for Mr. Jackson, on May 2nd, 2005?

3 A. Yes. Not quite sure if that was the date,

4 but, yes.

5 Q. That was just a few days ago?

6 A. Yeah.

7 Q. And did you tell Mr. Ross that you recalled

8 the first night that you slept downstairs, and Wade

9 went upstairs and slept with Mr. Jackson?

10 A. No. It would be the other way around.

11 Q. Okay.

12 A. Michael and Wade slept -- Michael and Wade

13 slept downstairs and I slept upstairs on the first

14 night.

15 Q. All right. So Mr. Jackson and Wade slept

16 together separately from the area that you slept in?

17 A. Yes.

18 Q. Why was that?

19 A. Because I left and went upstairs.

20 Q. Why did you leave and go upstairs?

21 A. Because I was a little older at that point

22 and I felt like I was interfering in Michael’s

23 bedroom, so I left and went upstairs.

24 Q. Because you wanted to give Mr. Jackson some

25 privacy?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And he was alone with your brother at that

28 time? 9319



1 A. Yes.

2 Q. And your brother was seven years old?

3 A. Yes.

4 Q. And that night, your brother slept in the

5 same bed with Michael Jackson?

6 A. Yes. I told him to come up with me.

7 Q. You told him to come up with you?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. Was that because you felt like he shouldn’t

10 be sleeping in a bed with a grown man?

11 A. Not at all.

12 Q. Then why did you tell him to do that?

13 A. Because I didn’t want to make Michael feel

14 like two people were invading his space.

15 Q. Something about that first night made you

16 feel uncomfortable, didn’t it?

17 A. No, not at all.

18 Q. Didn’t you say you felt more comfortable the

19 second night to Mr. Ross when you spoke to him a few

20 days ago?

21 A. Comfortable with my friendship with Michael,

22 yes.

23 Q. And that next night, you slept in the same

24 bed with Michael Jackson?

25 A. I did.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If she dares tries to change her story now what will be her excuse

 

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That new Radar article... They can't possibly have legal claims to look at Santa Barbara Co's criminal investigation files when the judge hasn't even determined IF this case can go to court... can they? :blink: That would be seriously effed up. With that they're trying to say that I or anyone could file a creditors claim saying that I just realized MJ molested me, and then be given permission to dig through Sneddon's files to come up with more convincing "evidence" that I can then say matches things in the criminal file? Yeeaaah, that sounds kosher. Or maybe file a claim that Microsoft stole my secret technology, show no proof, have no approval yet to go to trial, but be given all their internal research and development records so I could "prove" my tech is the same as theirs by altering my work and making a duplicate to match so that I can prove that my case should go to trial. You've got to be kidding me.

No, they cannot demand to see anything. Their case has never been given the approval by court to move forward. They are bluffing and trying to intimidate.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If she dares tries to change her story now what will be her excuse

She will pull a June Chandler and suddenly lose her memory , even reading the transcripts of her old depositions or testimonies won't refresh her memory :rofl:

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Seriously Wade? Since when would a supposed abuser molest a kid while there's a potential witness in the room?! People could be forgiven for thinking this is a Guinness world record attempt for the most ridiculous and inconsistent claims made in one lawsuit. *Annoyed groan.*

I was about the quote the same thing. I mean, Wade was anal raped and his sister noticed nothing. Did Michael drugged her? Looking at Wade's statement, how was he molested for two weeks every night and no noticed. I mean, his butt would be torn apart, sore, blood would be on the bedsheets, ect. There is a reason why Jordan nor Gavin claimed anal rap because that can be physically proven. Not to mention the change in behavior that no, not even his family, noticed.

 

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In case the Judge let it through he would create a very dangerous precedent. This would mean that all statues of limitations can go out the window in California from then on in the case of sexual abuse allegations (and possibly it would also affect other type of allegations where some kind of psychological trauma can be claimed). Even 50 years after someone's death then someone could claim he or she was so traumatized that he couldn't file before.

I really can't see how a judge could just ignore the laws already set in place in the State of California and make up his own laws. Like you said, to do so would open up the doors to all kinds of legal B.S. cases.

How could a judge allow this to go forward, but deny other claims because of the one year statute? I just can't see it happening.

I'm still feeling like this whole thing is bullying, bluffing and intimidation and they timed it the way they did because they know that these claims will never be allowed to proceed in court. They were anticipating a quick settlement and it's just not going the way they planned.

 

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I really can't see how a judge could just ignore the laws already set in place in the State of California and make up his own laws. Like you said, to do so would open up the doors to all kinds of legal B.S. cases.

How could a judge allow this to go forward, but deny other claims because of the one year statute? I just can't see it happening.

I'm still feeling like this whole thing is bullying, bluffing and intimidation and they timed it the way they did because they know that these claims will never be allowed to proceed in court. They were anticipating a quick settlement and it's just not going the way they planned.

I agree. If this case still goes through with all the glaring and very noticeable problems it has, then I will really believe the judge is biased. And I already have a low opinion of judges in regard to Michael Jackson to start with. Wade was not too traumatized to defend Michael in 2005 and during police questioning in 1993. Given the tough, no-nonsense prosecution cross-examination in 2005, he would not have gotten up the courage to testify like that if he was as messed up as he now claims to have been. This gets more and more stupid all the time. Sometimes you can just tell when somebody isn't telling the truth with a lawsuit, in my opinion. Whether or not they get away with it in court is another matter.