Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[ivy]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Okay. Anyway, let's just say she has enough for this to take place in a legal court system. Meaning, the Estate will ultimately have to provide, their proofs and evidence, and testimonies and whatever else they may have to prove their side of the issue.

In other words, this doesn't seem like some crazy kook, who's filing some silly lawsuit with no basis behind it, like some are claiming.

Definitely not a crazy kook. I know her, I like her, I find her rational and yes she does have a leg to stand on - the forensic analysis. However you are still jumping 5-10 steps ahead with "have enough" or "ultimately have to provide proofs and evidence". Such might or might not happen. For example yes while a forensic report might be enough for a judge to take it to trial, this case might get dismissed for being filed too late. We still need to wait and see - especially what the other party says before making definitive statements IMO.

Remember other lawsuits? Katherine Jacksons multiple defendant 7 cause of action was eventually left with 1 cause of action and 1 defendant. Mann lawsuit survived demurrer but was gutted during summary judgment. Multiple lawsuits have ended with settlements without a trial. Some went to trial and some of lawsuits are won and some are lost. Anything is possible.

I don't want to be a party pooper but I believe people would benefit if they approach to this as step by step and therefore doesn't experience major disappointments if something they want doesn't happen. I too would like this issue to be resolved once and for all but I'll wait to see if that would happen or not before any celebration.

 

[Albion]

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I would love a difinitive result one way or another. If it is proved to be michael then I will embrace that however I am currently sceptical that it is. This is based mainly on the lack of evidence provided by the estate. No hand written notes from michael mentioning song titles. No outtakes. Nothing. But if evidence is produced I will happily hold my hands up and say I was wrong. I hope that whatever happens and whatever your views we all treat each other with respect. After all we have to stay together as there are still a lot of haters out there.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Just quoting an old dude I bumped into in a pup

Feeling very much the same...

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Well I'm glad this is going to court. I always maintained that would be the best course of action to solve this dilemma. Hopefully the truth will be revealed once and for all and we can move on.

 

[OnirMJ]

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And I wonder what you will do when there is the proof that MJ is really singing on those songs. Who you are going to apologize then? I hope you will honestly answer my question.

There is no proof.

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I thought a forum was all about being allowed to express your opinions about things. But apparently people on this forum are allowed to call one another fake for expressing a different opinion to their own. Way to encourage different people to have a different opinion.

I don't have an opinion on the Cascio tracks because honestly I stopped caring about this argument years ago when I got fed up of it. I have gone from believing it's Michael to believing it's not Michael. But I would NEVER say someone was not a true fan of Michael's for having a different opinion to my own.

This is exactly why I don't post on here and normally just read. Different opinions aren't welcome

Thank you.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

There is no proof.

In your opinion.

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Hmmmm, maybe it will be but right now that's a bit of a leap, we had experts on opposing side in the Murray trial - so it would be down to a jury to decide which one is more feasible. Do we know other than the tracks what this expert had to work on?



Apologies, I thought they meant the estate.

This is going to be very interesting. I was just thinking what vocals did these experts listen to- meaning did they examine the vocals just extracted from the CD as opposed to the actual raw vocals from the demos? I would imagine they don't have the actual raw vocals as the estate/sony are the only ones in possession of those. hmmmm

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Thank you.

i totally agree. alot of people dont seem to be mature enough to handle different opinions not just this thread but many on here and thats sad for such a great board. i lost intrest in this topic years ago. infact i dont think i ever cared to begin with because to me there was and is more important things to worry about than some "fake" songs that 99% of the population neither know or care about and are irrelevent in mjs history. to me some are going way OTT about this. i hope theres the same gusto over robson murray the kids been used etc. cause that to me is what really matters.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

In your opinion.

I think the point where Eddie was asked to provide proof by an entire board of not only the estate and sony, but long term MJ collaborators, friends and family and then come up with NOTHING. might point towards the fact he has nothing.

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The biggest evidence is that the singer on the Cascio tracks sounds exactly like Jason Malachi. For example, listen to ''Monster'' and then listen to Jason Malachi's ''Let Me Let Go''. The vocals are identical

if this ever goes to trial, I'm sure Jason Malachi will be a witness somehow.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

What proof are ppl looking for cause unless you have say video tape footage of mj recording these songs what else is there. What proof do all his other songs have bar some hand written notes etc

 

[Warszawa320]

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I have. Search youtube for reactions on Breaking News. Read the comments below Monster...

No comments about your answer. Make no sense at all..

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

What proof are ppl looking for cause unless you have say video tape footage of mj recording these songs what else is there. What proof do all his other songs have bar some hand written notes etc

All in all, Video, Pictures, Handwritten notes/lyrics, Outtakes, Michael talking on tape, A look inside Eddies copyright entry would help too. Any of these would be nice. I'll quote Mr Shields on this one

" Just look at the 'Michael' album. All 10 songs. Forget the vocals. Pretend we have no ability to hear. Let's look at the proof that these songs are Michael Jackson's songs.

Hold My Hand - Cited by Akon in 2008 interview. Leaked in 2008 while MJ still alive. One of dozens of songs featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

Hollywood Tonight - Snippet leaked when MJ was alive. Multiple producers and engineers remember working on this track over a decade. Featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

The Way You Love Me - Released by Michael Jackson in 2004. Worked on by multiple producers over the years. Cited among MJ's handwritten notes.

Behind The Mask - Infamous 'Thriller' era authorship dispute with Yellow Magic Orchestra. Left off Thriller. Covered/released by Greg Phillenganes and Eric Clapton with credit to MJ as a songwriter.

Another Day - Recorded during Invincible sessions. Kravitz recalls MJ's kids and his kid were there. Demo leaked in early 2010 to which Kravitz responded with the story of its recording. Released during Jackson's life in 2004 on Kravitz 'Baptism' album under the title "Storm" feat Jay-Z.

Best of Joy - Has appeared on MJ's handwritten notes over the years, starting in the Dangerous era.

Much Too Soon - numerous HIStory session engineers recall witnessing Jackson record this track. There's also a handwritten note from MJ to Bruce Swedien regarding a mix he liked.

Breaking News, Monster, Keep Your Head Up - Eddie and James say they recorded it in 2007 in a basement. No prior evidence. Never mentioned before May 2010 with Roger Friedman broke the news. Does not appear in any of MJ's handwritten notes. No other producers, friends or family knew of the songs. MJ's kids say it's not MJ and they were with MJ with during the Cascio stay."

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

if this ever goes to trial, I'm sure Jason Malachi will be a witness somehow.

It would be absolutely great. I can't wait for his court depositions. It definitely would be very interesting... Before this I think there are more important subjects to talk about today and during this this time in June 2014. Do you have any idea why there is no discussion about June 13? Oh I know. It's better to forget about this day in MJ history book.

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

and people please remember the Fraud suit is against Cascio/Porte only, and they are only asking for damages from those parties, this isn't lets go sue the MJ Estate and Sony for no reason, she only wants answers. whatever the outcome of this lets hope it brings some closure

:bow:

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It would be absolutely great. I can't wait for his court depositions. It definitely would be very interesting... Before this I think there are more important subjects to talk about today and during this this time in June 2014. Do you have any idea why there is no discussion about June 13? Oh I know. It's better to forget about this day in MJ history book.

There are plenty of places to talk on this forum, this happens to be the right place for this topic, if there is something you want to talk about or discuss, feel free to open a thread.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

All in all, Video, Pictures, Handwritten notes/lyrics, Outtakes, Michael talking on tape, A look inside Eddies copyright entry would help too. Any of these would be nice. I'll quote Mr Shields on this one

" Just look at the 'Michael' album. All 10 songs. Forget the vocals. Pretend we have no ability to hear. Let's look at the proof that these songs are Michael Jackson's songs.

Hold My Hand - Cited by Akon in 2008 interview. Leaked in 2008 while MJ still alive. One of dozens of songs featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

Hollywood Tonight - Snippet leaked when MJ was alive. Multiple producers and engineers remember working on this track over a decade. Featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

The Way You Love Me - Released by Michael Jackson in 2004. Worked on by multiple producers over the years. Cited among MJ's handwritten notes.

Behind The Mask - Infamous 'Thriller' era authorship dispute with Yellow Magic Orchestra. Left off Thriller. Covered/released by Greg Phillenganes and Eric Clapton with credit to MJ as a songwriter.

Another Day - Recorded during Invincible sessions. Kravitz recalls MJ's kids and his kid were there. Demo leaked in early 2010 to which Kravitz responded with the story of its recording. Released during Jackson's life in 2004 on Kravitz 'Baptism' album under the title "Storm" feat Jay-Z.

Best of Joy - Has appeared on MJ's handwritten notes over the years, starting in the Dangerous era.

Much Too Soon - numerous HIStory session engineers recall witnessing Jackson record this track. There's also a handwritten note from MJ to Bruce Swedien regarding a mix he liked.

Breaking News, Monster, Keep Your Head Up - Eddie and James say they recorded it in 2007 in a basement. No prior evidence. Never mentioned before May 2010 with Roger Friedman broke the news. Does not appear in any of MJ's handwritten notes. No other producers, friends or family knew of the songs. MJ's kids say it's not MJ and they were with MJ with during the Cascio stay."

The argument about MJ's children lack of knowledge about those songs is the weak one. Like the children would be in the basement with him when he was recording. Like they had nothing else to do. Plus they were too young. However I absolutely don't mind to find out the truth and I'm expecting that Eddie Cascio will present any documentation he has regarding the subject. He may have it or may not. He didn't have to do it before. If he does have "the proof" he will have to "present it" for free but the plaintiff will have to pay his legal fees. In other situation it will be very sad day for Michael Jackson again. Anyway again it's a disaster for anything good to celebrate today. Exactly like all the controversial things happening always at the time when something nice going around. Why not to wait just one month with this lawsuit?

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The argument about MJ's children lack of knowledge about those songs is the weak one. Like the children would be in the basement with him when he was recording. Like they had nothing else to do. Plus they were too young. However I absolutely don't mind to find out the truth and I'm expecting that Eddie Cascio will present any documentation he has regarding the subject. He may have it or may not. He didn't have to do it before. If he does have "the proof" he will have to "present it" for free but the plaintiff will have to pay his legal fees. In other situation it will be very sad day for Michael Jackson again. Anyway again it's a disaster for anything good to celebrate today. Exactly like all the controversial things happening always at the time when something nice going around. Why not to wait just one month with this lawsuit?

Not really, the public don't know the extent of what the children do and don't know or remember and they were present for Michaels stay and knew what he did and didn't work on Prince especially. So Eddie didn't have to present any evidence before? not to actually get the songs sold off and released? of course that was the time to do it, he has nothing. Did he think "I'll hold back this evidence just incase someone sues me 4 years later" no, he has nothing to show. Unless he fakes it of course xD

The case was submitted yesterday and doesn't affect any of the 2005 celebrations, it only affects them if you let it. And its not a disaster, its sorting out a problem which has been a cancer for the MJ fan community for such a longtime, if this means we can move on from it, then its a blessing.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

As for Dileo (who is no longer alive), Friedman, Brawley and Frank Cascio etc you need to differentiate between making a statement which happens to be false and deliberately lying. In other words if someone genuinely thought these songs were legit cannot be sued for any type of fraud. Fraud only happens if they knew them to be fake but made the false statements regardless.

Exactly. Friedman knew and he lied deliberately for financial gain. Frank Cascio knew because he was part of it he lied deliberately on Oprah to protect his brother. Brawley helped in creation of the songs by sampling Michael Jackson breaths and screams. DiLeo helped them to sell songs to Sony. Don't matter if he is dead. Michael is dead also but he is being sued all the time.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

In your opinion.

No, not in my opinion. The truth is not an opinion. Diane Diamond & Wade Robson have an opinion, they can go to court, they can sue Michael because of their opinion, they can even win in court. But that does not mean anything. There is only one truth. Michael is innocent, just like Cascio tracks are fake. So if this fan lose in court, it won't change nothing for me because I know the truth. I know the truth for almost 4 years now. I deleted all those songs from my computer. But if she wins that would change everything (not for me, but for general public and fans who live in denial and of course for Michael): Michael's official discography would be pure again and more people would know the truth.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

thanks for that. like i say i havnt followed this subject as i dont really care one way or the other.playing devils advocate i see the other songs on the album worked with other producers and writers who talked about the songs either at the time or after. what if no one but the cascios and i presume the others named in the lawsuit worked on the songs? and there wasnt a long list of ppl involved like on songs that actually ended up being fully recorded and released by mj himself l.alot of the mentioned songs have long historys. what if these didnt and were created and played around with in 07 and that was it? what if there isnt any proof such as footage etc. that doesnt mean in itself that it isnt mj.

All in all, Video, Pictures, Handwritten notes/lyrics, Outtakes, Michael talking on tape, A look inside Eddies copyright entry would help too. Any of these would be nice. I'll quote Mr Shields on this one

" Just look at the 'Michael' album. All 10 songs. Forget the vocals. Pretend we have no ability to hear. Let's look at the proof that these songs are Michael Jackson's songs.

Hold My Hand - Cited by Akon in 2008 interview. Leaked in 2008 while MJ still alive. One of dozens of songs featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

Hollywood Tonight - Snippet leaked when MJ was alive. Multiple producers and engineers remember working on this track over a decade. Featured among MJ's handwritten notes.

The Way You Love Me - Released by Michael Jackson in 2004. Worked on by multiple producers over the years. Cited among MJ's handwritten notes.

Behind The Mask - Infamous 'Thriller' era authorship dispute with Yellow Magic Orchestra. Left off Thriller. Covered/released by Greg Phillenganes and Eric Clapton with credit to MJ as a songwriter.

Another Day - Recorded during Invincible sessions. Kravitz recalls MJ's kids and his kid were there. Demo leaked in early 2010 to which Kravitz responded with the story of its recording. Released during Jackson's life in 2004 on Kravitz 'Baptism' album under the title "Storm" feat Jay-Z.

Best of Joy - Has appeared on MJ's handwritten notes over the years, starting in the Dangerous era.

Much Too Soon - numerous HIStory session engineers recall witnessing Jackson record this track. There's also a handwritten note from MJ to Bruce Swedien regarding a mix he liked.

Breaking News, Monster, Keep Your Head Up - Eddie and James say they recorded it in 2007 in a basement. No prior evidence. Never mentioned before May 2010 with Roger Friedman broke the news. Does not appear in any of MJ's handwritten notes. No other producers, friends or family knew of the songs. MJ's kids say it's not MJ and they were with MJ with during the Cascio stay."

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

everything (not for me, but for general public and fans who live in denial and of course for Michael): Michael's official discography would be pure again and more people would know the trutH
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like most things mj i think the gen public neither know or care about this. they are to busy living their lives.and many in the fan community prob are more concerned with things like the family and the kids robson etc.and others who really dont care one way or the other like myself

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Not really, the public don't know the extent of what the children do and don't know or remember and they were present for Michaels stay and knew what he did and didn't work on Prince especially. So Eddie didn't have to present any evidence before? not to actually get the songs sold off and released? of course that was the time to do it, he has nothing. Did he think "I'll hold back this evidence just incase someone sues me 4 years later" no, he has nothing to show. Unless he fakes it of course xD

The case was submitted yesterday and doesn't affect any of the 2005 celebrations, it only affects them if you let it. And its not a disaster, its sorting out a problem which has been a cancer for the MJ fan community for such a longtime, if this means we can move on from it, then its a blessing.

If people have other things to do than to please the bullies (Cascio definitely could call some fans that name) then he didn't have to present anything. This is one argument. The second he has nothing to present. And the third one is that if he has any notes, pictures, videos and tapes he always could present it in the documentary about the subject but not for free. He absolutely didn't have to rush with it.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I have always stayed neutral on the topic of these songs. Even though I DO have my own opinion as to if it is or is not MJ on those three Songs. But now that this lawsuit has been filed.....what I see is a fan that IMO...isn't looking for monetary value of a cd. They are looking for the truth. We as MJ fans ARE entitled to just that...the truth. For years fans have attacked each other over these 3 songs. Even here I see the term " fake fan" used...tbh..there really isn't any need for fans to verbally attack each other over a difference of opinion. One thing. I am interested in knowing is...this fan that has filed the lawsuit is she acting alone? OR is she just the name and face for a larger group of fans to hide in the back round and give her financial support and evidence that THEY may of found and dug up over the past 3 years? I may not post much in topics like this ...but I DO read and I am convinced that there SOME FANS here that have a huge interest in this lawsuit. Some appear to have drool coming out over finally proving the estate as liars. Tbh...I'm sick and tired of reading about how Casio lied about the validity of these songs. So I JOIN the group that wants answers....but I won't sit back and belittle another fan because of their opinion. I am going to see where this lawsuit goes....if its proven that its not Michael.....then I WON'T be demanding any money back...BUT...I WILL be looking forward to an apology from those found to be guilty. Just in case your interested.... NO ..I do not think that is Michael on those 3 songs!

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

If people have other things to do than to please the bullies (Cascio definitely could call some fans that name) then he didn't have to present anything. This is one argument. The second he has nothing to present. And the third one is that if he has any notes, pictures, videos and tapes he always could present it in the documentary about the subject but not for free. He absolutely didn't have to rush with it.

Lol, so bullies now? Like the people actually buying your songs ask for evidence you know The Estate and Sony and you have none? Also he could present it in a Documentary couldn't he, maybe like the "Making of Michael" Documentary they put on the Official youtube where everyone produced handwritten lyrics and evidence ya know, which he did none of. He did have to rush with it, everyone can see he was asked by Sony and The Estate, MJ's family, work Colleagues and then fans. thats just about covers EVERYBODY involved in this minus Eddie himself xD

Look he has NOTHING, he claimed to have stuff and produced a broken harddrive which infact had never had a scrap of Data on it, so that pretty much seals the argument. Please feel free to sugar coat that as much as you like.

 

[krikzil]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm still waiting for any logical answer why the lawsuit at this specific time? What is your opinion about it?
May you share your opinion with me? Or maybe you don't have one?

I'm curious as well.

Plaintiff states she purchased CD between June 18-28, 2011 in CA -- so she's up against the Statute of Limitations for Fraud. 3 years in CA I believe. The controversy was well known before her purchase though from the album's release in Dec 2010.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

No, not in my opinion. The truth is not an opinion. Diane Diamond & Wade Robson have an opinion, they can go to court, they can sue Michael because of their opinion, they can even win in court. But that does not mean anything. There is only one truth. Michael is innocent, just like Cascio tracks are fake. So if this fan lose in court, it won't change nothing for me because I know the truth. I know the truth for almost 4 years now. I deleted all those songs from my computer. But if she wins that would change everything (not for me, but for general public and fans who live in denial and of course for Michael): Michael's official discography would be pure again and more people would know the truth.

As long as you won't be suicidal in case the truth will be different than your "truth" I'm fine with "your truth".

 

[Warszawa320]

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I'm curious as well.

Plaintiff claims she purchased CD between June 18-28, 2011 in CA -- Statute of Limitations for Fraud is 3 years in CA I believe. The controversy though was well known before her purchase though so....

Sure if she has the proof that she really bought it at that time. I personally keep the receipts for many Michael's products. Anyway if she doesn't know exactly when she bought it than she doesn't has this kind of proof. IMO she just got in touch with people who are against the estate, Sony and Cascios and they support her financially with this lawsuit. Which I'm not against at all but the timing is extremely suspicious.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Sure if she has proof that she really bought it at that time. I personally keep the receipts for many Michael's products. Anyway if she doesn't know exactly when she bought it than she doesn't has this kind of proof. IMO she just got in touch with people who are against the estate, Sony and Cascios and they support her financially with this lawsuit. Which I'm not against at all but the timing is extremely suspicious.

I think she could have bought the CD a week ago and still made this claim? Not sure but maybe. As for the date of June 18th, why go to put a complaint in as soon as you can when you can continue working on a case and get as much evidence as you can together before you submit it?