I hate to ask this, because I myself get irritated when people don't go back through threads before asking questions-and I tried, but it was taking SOOO LONG-(it is 83 pages). What are the remedies that you are talking about-or where can I find that in the thread. I did not realize that if they were found to be truly fraudulent, they wouldn't be removed from Michael's discography. Isn't that the only possible recourse?Unfortunately, I lost interest in this lawsuit after reading the weak claims (all parties are not held accountable) and remedies (there will be no demand for a public apology and Cascio tracks can remain in Michael's catalog so long as they are not placed in positions to be sold) and have not regained interest.
No victory for Michael here in my view and I do not see reason for Michael to not be victorious as he is the true victim here.
It is ridiculous that this is still a debate this far later since the release.. This should have been behind us by now, it would solve so much pointless debates in this forum if we just had substantial proof for either party (Michael voice vs. non Michaels voice fans)
Totally agree. Unfortunately the Estate will never freely admit fault on their end because that would mean a lot of people asking for their $$$ back and they ain't gonna pony it up
barbee0715;4109031 said:I hate to ask this, because I myself get irritated when people don't go back through threads before asking questions-and I tried, but it was taking SOOO LONG-(it is 83 pages). What are the remedies that you are talking about-or where can I find that in the thread. I did not realize that if they were found to be truly fraudulent, they wouldn't be removed from Michael's discography. Isn't that the only possible recourse?
And do you mean a public apology from the Cascios and LaPorte? (if proved fraudulent).
Tygger;4021887 said:Regarding the legal remedies being sought, it is basically reimbursement of court costs and such, monies for the class, and the defendants would not be allowed to continue to sell the Cascio tracks.
Provided this goes to trial and results in a favorable verdict, it will not be mandatory that any defendant issue a public apology and these songs can still remain in Michael’s catalog, just not sold. Michael is not the victor.
Estate/Sony was not included in the fraud claim despite their participation so they have been spared.
Tygger;4023699 said:Kapital77, it is not mandatory that the songs be removed from Michael’s catalog. This is why I found the remedies (and claims) of this lawsuit to be weak. The remedies for this lawsuit are restitution from all defendants and punitive damages from those accused of fraud for a select group of purchasers (California, U.S. from June 2011-June 2014) and future prevention of placing these tracks in the position to be sold. This means if the lawsuit goes to trial and the defendants are found liable, the Cascio tracks will be removed from any future sales of the Michael cd and the Itunes collection. I do not know how the Immortal show or the Immortal cd would be handled. There is NO mention of these tracks being removed from Michael’s catalog which is the only true victory for Michael in my view.
Tygger;4023821 said:Whoisit89, Ivy, I am not against your views and I do not believe your views are incorrect. I believe it depends on how you define Arista being willing to admit the error as apologies can be written and/or expressed through action. I personally appreciated that Arista removed those songs from their catalog before lawsuits were filed. Whether one is looking for the actually word sorry or not in their settlement statement, they did indeed reimburse those who sought restitution through the settlement. Apology accepted in my view.
I am a poster who would like to see the Estate/Sony apologize for what I believe to be their participation in a fraud. I am like others who have stated they believe the Estate/Sony did not know the songs were not authentic initially. Despite doubts being raised; they continued to push those songs on a grieving public as Michael Jackson songs and that is unforgiveable to me. I have my own theories as to why the Cascio tracks were so attractive to the Estate in particular but, I will not list those theories here.
I believe a public apology to Michael is necessary because they are the gatekeepers of Michael’s musical legacy since Michael passed. Michael solidified his musical legacy and Estate/Sony can very well tarnish it with such actions. That was not the case with Arista so yes, I expect much more from Estate/Sony than Arista. Of course, I understand a public apology most likely will not occur. I would be satisfied if the tracks would at the very least be removed from Michael’s catalog. However; there is no mandatory effort for such a removal so, I see no victory for Michael.
TinnyandOdd;4109040 said:Totally agree. Unfortunately the Estate will never freely admit fault on their end because that would mean a lot of people asking for their $$$ back and they ain't gonna pony it up
analogue;4109042 said:The estate can keep their money as far as I'm concerned. I just want to see those songs removed from Michael's official discography
The estate can keep their money as far as I'm concerned. I just want to see those songs removed from Michael's official discography
The estate can keep their money as far as I'm concerned. I just want to see those songs removed from Michael's official discography
I'm with Analogue here and I think the recourse should be (if found fraudulent) not just removing the songs from the album, but permanently removing them from his catalog.
weren't they going to show 'proof' that it was MJ? whatever happened to that? lol
I taking about the Cascio family saying they have proof and that they were going to share!