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ye but he's not the only one. he have good company to join himSneddon deserves a cruel and painful death.
T-Mez was just on Positively Michael live podcast and he was asked about Frank Cascio and 2005 trial. In short he confirmed everything Frank Cascio said about the 2005 trial.
T-Mez said that Sneddon brought that conspiracy charge to stop Frank and other people that were there when Arvizo's was there from testifying. T-Mez said that as a co-conspirator they were facing prison sentences so they had to get lawyers and be careful and try to protect themselves. T-Mez said that he told Michael and Frank to cease communications totally. T-Mez said that he talked with Frank's lawyer regularly and Frank's lawyer was cautious to protect his client. T-Mez said that this somehow created the perception that Frank wasn't cooperating but T-Mez says Frank told him that he would testify for Michael and T-Mez says it was his decision to not call Frank to the stand. T-Mez also confirmed that Frank rejected immunity offered to him by Sneddon and he should be credited for that.
it's a podcast on PositiveMichael. http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=565905&cmd=apopJust wanted to know is there going to be any transcript or audio/video record of T-Mez saying all these so people can use as reference in the future?
Thanks Ivy for the clarification. It's good to have T-Mez to clear up things.
and the part about Frank Cascio is right at the beginning. That was the first question asked.
And mez never explained this to mj? or mj wasnt aware? hardly likely
I don't see any reason why T-Mez wanted to explain this to MJ if MJ didn't ask him. T-Mez's priority is winning the case not to solve the difference between MJ and Frank. T-Mez also said long before that lots of people refuse to testify and MJ was hurt by it. If MJ was just too hurt by all these things and the trial, it's a big possibility that he didn't want to touch the whole related issue again (of course this is just my POV). If MJ didn't bring this up to T-Mez by himself, I don't see why T-Mez would told MJ all these things out of blue. T-Mez said there's lots of things happened and many people involved. It's not just Frank and MJ. How come T-Mez would jump to MJ and said: hey I think you misunderstand Frank (I don't even know whether T-Mez know that MJ though Frank betray him) and he actually wanted to testify for you when there were so many things happened and MJ was dragged through mud. Is that the most important thing for T-Mez or even MJ to think about at that time???
In my point of view, it's even hardly likely that T-Mez would lie for Frank.
I just listened to the podcast and from what T-Mez said, he didn't even really know about the falling out until years later. He maintained that Michael and Frank were close and said nothing about hard feelings on either side. So, it's possible for T-Mez didn't know about Michael cutting contact with Frank over a clear misunderstanding.
bluetopez;3552379 said:By the way another thing that is confusing is the reason why Frank didn't truly believe that MJ felt his record company was sabotaging him. Seems as though Frank blames MJ alleged paranoia for the real reason. But, it was clear to me that Sony/Mottola didn't do enough to promote Invincible and that MJ wasn't happy anymore being with Sony and their control over his music rights. And so MJ had every right to do what he thought was best to fix the problem. In the end Tommy got the boot and it was for a rerason.
did he mention that at the end?
ivy;3552388 said:and who said Frank didn't believe Michael? He actually in detail explains how Sony refused Michael's plans for the first single. Frank just says he believed public protesting was beneath Michael. He also acknowledges the promotion problem but says it wasn't a race issue.
“I’m not disagreeing with you about Sony,” I said, trying to be as supportive as I could. Try as I might, I just couldn’t see the point in parading around with the signs. “But I’m against the bus.” Michael looked tired. And angry. This kind of public display was out of character for him, but he was at the end of his rope.
Okay I see. But, I disagree with his opinion on the way MJ went about it. MJ was the biggest star Sony had and will ever have. And when MJ did this, they listened. And the way his record company was treating him at the time, he really had no other choice. Getting fans publicly involved as well was smart IMO because it would scare any company when they lose their customers and I highly doubt Michael would bring up a race issue if it wasn't something he really believed was a real problem. I guess FRank was worried for MJ public image? But, given all that was said about MJ what diffence would this make to the haters? But, for others like myself it was MJ finally standing up for himself a little more.
and you can disagree with Frank's opinion![]()
I think one thing isn't understood about Frank's book is that he gives you Michael's perspective (as best as he could / as much as he knows it) and then he tells you what his opinion is (very openly) and if he can he mentions other people. In the end you are totally free to believe whatever you want. You can choose to agree or disagree. What I mean is Frank doesn't push his position as "truth" on to people.
T-Mez was just on Positively Michael live podcast and he was asked about Frank Cascio and 2005 trial. In short he confirmed everything Frank Cascio said about the 2005 trial.
T-Mez said that Sneddon brought that conspiracy charge to stop Frank and other people that were there when Arvizo's was there from testifying. T-Mez said that as a co-conspirator they were facing prison sentences so they had to get lawyers and be careful and try to protect themselves. T-Mez said that he told Michael and Frank to cease communications totally. T-Mez said that he talked with Frank's lawyer regularly and Frank's lawyer was cautious to protect his client. T-Mez said that this somehow created the perception that Frank wasn't cooperating but T-Mez says Frank told him that he would testify for Michael and T-Mez says it was his decision to not call Frank to the stand. T-Mez also confirmed that Frank rejected immunity offered to him by Sneddon and he should be credited for that.
I don't get then why Michael would think Frank betrayed him or wouldn't help. Wouldn't Tom explain what he just said to Michael at the time?
I have to be honest and say that some things I am reading here make me cringe or uncomfortable. I know Michael was a human being just like all of us. But I think I don't want to know some private things. Because they are private. It's one thing to talk about them taking care of Prince and Paris without a nanny to talking about Michael's sex life for example. As crazy as it sounds I almost feel guilty reading these things even in an article like above. I don't know if we need to know this. I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this.
I don't see any reason why T-Mez wanted to explain this to MJ if MJ didn't ask him. T-Mez's priority is winning the case not to solve the difference between MJ and Frank. T-Mez also said long before that lots of people refuse to testify and MJ was hurt by it. If MJ was just too hurt by all these things and the trial, it's a big possibility that he didn't want to touch the whole related issue again (of course this is just my POV). If MJ didn't bring this up to T-Mez by himself, I don't see why T-Mez would told MJ all these things out of blue. T-Mez said there's lots of things happened and many people involved. It's not just Frank and MJ. How come T-Mez would jump to MJ and said: hey I think you misunderstand Frank (I don't even know whether T-Mez know that MJ though Frank betray him) and he actually wanted to testify for you when there were so many things happened and MJ was dragged through mud. Is that the most important thing for T-Mez or even MJ to think about at that time???
In my point of view, it's even hardly likely that T-Mez would lie for Frank.
I agreed with Ivy about this one. Frank told his point of view and people don't need to agree with Frank. I myself is the one who don't think it's wise to protest sony in that way and jump to the conclusion saying it's racial problem. I believe Al Sharpton also didn't agree with MJ's comments at that time. I can understand MJ's action and his anger but to me it's just not wise to do that and it doesn't make him looked good (although at the time I do think MJ man enough and quite had guts to do that lol). People even though he was crazy. To me, the main reason between Mottola VS MJ problem might not because of the race. I tend to feel it is artist VS record company exploited problem. Mottola married Mariah Carey who is half black. I really don't think the racial is the main point.
I don't get then why Michael would think Frank betrayed him or wouldn't help. Wouldn't Tom explain what he just said to Michael at the time?
I have to be honest and say that some things I am reading here make me cringe or uncomfortable. I know Michael was a human being just like all of us. But I think I don't want to know some private things. Because they are private. It's one thing to talk about them taking care of Prince and Paris without a nanny to talking about Michael's sex life for example. As crazy as it sounds I almost feel guilty reading these things even in an article like above. I don't know if we need to know this. I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this.
That doesn't matter. If u say something racist it's still racist. I even seen people of the same race call eachother racist names and sterotype themsleves or eachother. I don't think MJ made the whole him Vs. his record company a racist matter. He was accusing Tommy of that only and showing another reason why he thought the guy was a phoney. Also, I know Frank let's the reader know what is his opinion and all of that. But, that wasn't my issue with the book, the issue was what he shares in details about is opinion that for me at points went to much in and frankly nobodies bussiness. Like some things were to much info or caused more questions then answers. But, I'm not gonna get into all that again cause we've been there done that.
You can checked my previous post about my POV why this happened. It's obvious that MJ didn't want to go relive the trial related topics (many people verified that). If he didn't bring this up how came Tom just came out of blue to tell MJ this? It's not Tom's problem to solve the difference between MJ and Frank. I even doubt that Tom knew MJ thought Frank betrayed him back in that time. I also don't think Tom would think it's a big issue for him to solve. The priority of him and his duty is to win the case not to solve MJ's personal/friendship issue. It's not his place to step in if MJ didn't ask him.
I know what you mean and I still have mixed feeling about books like this. Sometime I felt like I am really invading Mj's privacy but sometime I would feel people who truly know him should come out to set record straight.
who refused to testify?? Im not at that part in the book but im already scared for that part the fallout between such good friends.. im a romantic i cant stand fight hate and fallouts![]()
Don't put too much considerations on the article. If you read the book from cover to cover, things fall into place. I don't understand why some think Frank described Michael's sex life. He didn't. Saying Michael kissing a girl and having a close female friend is harmless, in my opinion. There is no one single moment that I blush while reading the book.