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Having checked, he posted in that same thread back in 2009. Then no other time aside from this year. Going by the posts, he listened to MJ's music back around the time of his death. To me, if he's a fan, he looks to be a casual fan. If anything, he looks to me to just enjoy some of MJ's songs rather than his entire discography.
 
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Bad7 said:
Having checked, he posted in that same thread back in 2009. Then no other time aside from this year. Going by the posts, he listened to MJ's music back around the time of his death. To me, if he's a fan, he looks to be a casual fan. If anything, he looks to me to just enjoy some of MJ's songs rather than his entire discography.
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Thanks.
Back in 2009 he posted a lot or just one or a few? did he say anything about MJ the person or just his music?
 
redfrog said:
Thanks.
Back in 2009 he posted a lot or just one or a few? did he say anything about MJ the person or just his music?
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Nothing about MJ the person. Just the music. Although, nothing deep like a hardcore fan would say. He posted some iTunes chart positions of MJ albums, made a mix CD for his car, listened to HIStory and Invincible for the first time (liked HIStory, not so much Invincible) and somebody posted the Dirty Diana video and he labelled it his favourite MJ song.

Really, nothing of spectacular note.
 
You are right terrell same as the Chandler you will not hear anything from the Arvizos either.
 
Bad7 said:
Nothing about MJ the person. Just the music. Although, nothing deep like a hardcore fan would say. He posted some iTunes chart positions of MJ albums, made a mix CD for his car, listened to HIStory and Invincible for the first time (liked HIStory, not so much Invincible) and somebody posted the Dirty Diana video and he labelled it his favourite MJ song.

Really, nothing of spectacular note.
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Yeah tons of people did stuff like that when MJ died and they were never his fans before or since.
If this guy had a vested interest in defending MJ the person he would have done that between
2009 and 2017 and not just make up a story about Arvizo in 2017. Of course it's possible but
not to likely.
 
KOPV said:
We all know Gavin was not a victim of Michael Jackson... Being used by his parents, sure!! do I feel sorry for him? no!! he's an adult now and choses to not make any right for the wrong he did by choice or not at the time.. Of course I don't know if there were any legal documents signed that would prevent him from talking but I have a hunch that is not the case. more so embarrassment and fear keeping him quiet now.

But believe me, MJ fans would be too elated that Michaels name would be publically cleared (though he was already legally).. We'd all be celebrating the fact more so than attacking him for waiting so long.. the longer he waits the worse he he makes it for himself
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There would be intense scrutiny and harassment if Gavin or Jordan were to ever publicly admit the allegations were lies. They are old enough now to reflect on this and put a stop to the slander and defamation of an innocent man, but they are too coward to face what they deserve. Even if they do tell the truth eventually, they won't get praise from me. They sat back for too long and now Robson and Safechuck are piggybacking off of them.

Jordan changing his name is an indicator that he will never come forward.
 
Maybe that why nobody can fine him. I do not see Chandler coming out to correct this lie he is sitting back enjoy Michael money he got.
 
8701girl said:
Someone reported he did
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Tabloid nonsense in a bid to make out 'poor' Jordan struggled to continue with his life. I can't remember where I saw it, but not long ago I saw it said that Jordan has had to restart his life three times over. What does that even mean? Just more nonsense to try and make out fans scared him into not testifying.
 
The change his name rumor is also a convenient way to get people to stop searching for him.. unknown name.. He did not change his name! I wonder how difficult it would be to find him under one of those paid sites that find people..
 
KOPV said:
The change his name rumor is also a convenient way to get people to stop searching for him.. unknown name.. He did not change his name! I wonder how difficult it would be to find him under one of those paid sites that find people..
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I think you are right.
 
Angel Of Light - regarding either Gavin or Jordan getting major scrutiny if they came out.. I think you are slightly overlooking how the media constantly works with Michael Jackson.. Sure they would get hell for a bit, people trying to interview them etc.. BUT, the media would never cover that story the way they should.. they would never get the scrutiny they would deserve.. And I think we all know how well they can shut out the media! No one can find Jordan! perfect example..

And not of how GREAT of a hider they are, but how little interest there REALLY is to find him.. He's not a secret agent, he can be found. A private investigator for example could locate him fairly easy.. He has a social security number, a cell number, and subscribed to things like every other person in America.. there are paper records to fallow if they were actually fallowed.

The media does not care to bring justice to Michael unless it makes a convenient story.. IF one of those men came out and told the truth, they would highlight the story and they would disappear again and end of story.
 
The media would rather pay them to stay quiet or make them have an accident then have to report them telling the truth.

Arvizos recent court case show they continue to have no problem lieing in court
 
This is crazy...how can they even be sure that the material came from Neverland?

They will buy anything if it gives them an opportunity to have another go at Michael.
 
We can't be excited one of the most popular and successful Netflix shows used Thriller on the trailer for its anticipated second season because f'ucking leaches come in the next minute trying to ruin it and make a buck off Michael . As long as it doesn't go viral like the crap RO published last year, there's nothing to worry about.

In any case, here's also Ron Zonen himself refuting there was child porn found when Neverland was raided. Although it was shady of him what he said about the Barely Legal magazine:

Former Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen, who helped prosecute Jackson and recalls viewing the actual documents tied to the case, tells PEOPLE that law enforcement did discover adult pornographic magazines and videos, though nothing constituting child pornography.

“There were all kinds of conventional porn magazines,” says Zonen. “Things like Playboy, Penthouse. There was one called Barely Legal. It was a publication that featured young women presumably over the age of 18 but selected because they look much younger.”
Law enforcement also discovered a book of “masochistic” type drawings.
When it comes to items relating to children, “There were photos of nude children but they weren’t sexually graphic,” he says. “They weren’t children engaged in sexual activity and there was no child pornography. There were no videos involving children. There were videos that were seized but they were conventional adult sexually graphic material. No children involved."
[http://people.com/crime/michael-jacksons-estate-blasts-new-pornography-reports/
 
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whatever taste we have around that type of materiel.. Michael did not have anything illegal in his home! The only thing what they found could do is help draw the image they were painting of him..
 
respect77 said:
we have another snake, apparently. Do you remember vincent "vinnie" amen? He was one of the unindicted co-conspirators in mj's 2005 case. He is one of frank cascio's buddies. Apparently he is now selling stuff to the media accompanied with twisted and untrue stories.

The national enquirer published a story about amen giving him mj's "secret nude-kiddie stash" that was supposedly taken from neverland and hidden from the police before they came to do the house search.

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now, of course the story is ridiculous for several reasons.

1) mj didn't know there would be a house search, so how could they hide stuff from the police in advance? He wasn't even home but in vegas where he trashed his hotel room when the news of the arrest and search reached him. Yeah, right he expected a search...

2) that pic doesn't look like "nude kiddie stash". It looks like a nudist magazine with a woman on the cover. So is this now the new game of the media? Now trying to turn mj's nudist magazines into child porn? So ridiculous.

3) mj indeed had nudist magazines, but not only they weren't hidden from the police, they confiscated them and they were presented to the court.

4) the type of nudist magazines mj had can be seen here: https://themichaeljacksonallegation...-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/#nudist
they are focused on adult women.

So once again, they are trying to sensationalize something that is neither new or was hidden from the jury, nor it is what they claim it to be.

That the ne would do this is no surprise, however it really is disturbing that amen is doing media rounds now with this kind of nonsense. Here is a tweet by him also trying to sell juror notes to fox news:

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apparently he's been trying to get the media's attention for months now.

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how the hell can he have the jury notebooks?? Isnt that stealing???
 
I guess vincent cant get a job. Talk about scraping the barrell. Pathetic. Next!
 
respect77 said:
Apparently Roger Friedman had an article about it in 2006. Friedman was good buddies with Frank Cascio (and through him I guess with Vinnie Amen as well) - so that's how he had this info probably.

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They should get in trouble for that!
 
If Amen got the juror notebooks off of ebay, then I think it's very likely that that's where he got the magazine from and then sold the idea that it was MJ's. Since NE and RO are both owned by the same corporation, I bet they just tried to repeat what they pulled off with Radar last year, but with the sister publication instead. Accuracy is hardly their strong point. Wonder how much Amen got paid for that?
 
KOPV said:
whatever taste we have around that type of materiel.. .
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About 99% of hetero men have the same exact taste.
But of course they can't just admit the obvious Occam's razor is never used in Michael's case.
If he has 100s of pictures of nude women that's because he is into little boys.
And if you don't agree with that you are a crazy fan blinded by his celebrity.


Talking about the Arvizos and Vinnie does anyone know why the three Arvizo kids
were taken out of school in March 2003 and why Janet Arvizo authorized Vinnie to do it?
Of course Zonen argued this was part of the conspiracy to ship the family to Brazil (like that makes sense)
but my guess is that they were taken out because the media kept harassing them . Or am I wrong?
 
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^ I was not talking about the porn mags..
 
^ Yeah the nudist mags,I was just saying they are not everyone's flavor but not illegal.
 
would not let me edit my post.. but not the mags but books.. or at least a book that I remember they discussed on TV the title etc. the title doesn't come to me now
 
KOPV;4202223 said:
would not let me edit my post.. but not the mags but books.. or at least a book that I remember they discussed on TV the title etc. the title doesn't come to me now
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Boys will be boys and Boy A photographic essay?

Those two books are in the Library of Congress but let there be no doubt
they were created by pedophiles for pedophiles disguised as
legitimate art photography innocent pictures are mixed with suggestive ones.


However in this case those two books actually prove MJ was not a pedophile unless you believe he was such a
moron that he deliberately left two such books in his bedroom after Evan Chandler
accused him of molesting Jordan. A guilty person would have eliminated any and all
incriminating evidence right after hearing that July 8 phone conversation
but at the very least after the August 4 meeting.
Ironically Jim Thomas accused MJ of doing just that, to explain why they didn't
find any proof but he failed to explain if MJ cleaned the place why were
those two books in a close filed cabinet in his bedroom.
(I bet the police put them there or just lied about where they found them
desperate to create evidence ouf of no evidence)

The bottom line MJ just left for the tour leaving those books on his ranch
knowing full well the Chandler could report him any day and
the police then would raid his place any day. He didn't even search his ranch
to locate anything that might incriminate him. Only an innocent person or a complete idiot criminal
would neglect to do that while being threatened with a police investigation.

Fact is he didn't even remember having those books, just like he told Sawyer during the 1995
interview, some fan (or possible pedo who fantasized about MJ being "one of them")
sent those books to him in 1983, MJ signed one of them then forgot about them. There is not
a shred of evidence he ever paged them and he knew what pictures were inside
no fingerprint no wear and tear no notes inside.

In fact the inscription in Boys will be boys show that he not only
didn't have sex on his mind while looking at boys but wanted
to send the book back to the person who sent it. One doesn't tell himself
"Look at..." and one doesn't sign a book for himself either.
The inscription is about the cover which shows four happy boys jumping in the lake:

“Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys’ faces. This is the spirit of boyhood,
a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children. MJ.”


A pedophile wouldn't have thought about sending back such books
in fact a pedo woudln't have waited for some stranger to send him such books
he would have obtained them himself.
And MJ certainly wasn't missing those books as the police didn't find them
again in 2003.
Instead during those 10 years he kept buying girly magazines.
I wonder why.
 
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^ I agree.. lol that's why I said that no matter what we think of material like that it is not illegal.
 
Well, these two books have interesting story to say the least. The detective who found them testified in 2005 that they found them in a locked cabinet in MJ's room. While they unlocked everything in his room with the help of a local locksmith who accompanied them during the raid, that particular cabinet they preferred not to open until Francia Blanca, mind you by that time she had been fired for at least two years , came with the keys!!! I am not joking. This was indeed his testimony on the stand.

So yes MJ did receive them from a fan and signed one of them, but why the police did not ask the locksmith to open that cabinet, how the police knew that Francia of all people had the lock for that cabinet which ended up having the ONLY "incriminating" evidence they found in mJ's house. It does seem like they knew they were going to find something there. She was known for stealing mj's stuff. Maybe when she was approached by Guitzer before she was fired she went through mjs stuff and found the books, took them, and when the 1993 allegations surfaced planted them in a suspicious way, separately in a locked cabinet in his bedroom, locked cabinet with the help of other maid. She was still in good contact with many employees. It does seem that she was at least in contact with the police when the raid took place so she must have known his house was going to be raided. Frankly speaking, the odds are high the books were planted there given the circumstances surrounding them. The police did tell on themselves.
 
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