Re: So, Invincible is much better than everybody thought....
Opinions, opinions, opinions. Just that and nothing more.
"No passion", "guest vocalist", "wasn't himself during this period"
Honestly? The album is pure passion. I'm sorry if you can't hear that. Love is also passion. It doesn't have to be social themes or anti-tabloid themes to be passion. Also what time period??? He recorded for Invincible from late 1997 to late 2001. That is almost 5 full years!! Over 120 songs written, who knows how much recorded... And he wasn't himself??? He put himself in that album, his heart and soul. And when he saw Sony's promotion plan and behind the scenes schemes that were going on around his catalog he fell apart, he was broken hearted - end of 2001-2003. That is the time period when he wasn't himself. Because they ruined him, his masterpiece, his work of art, that he spent 5 years building it!
"nothing like previous works"
Like previous work, maybe different style, but quality wise and production wise, maybe even better! You Rock My World, Speechless, Whatever Happens, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Unbreakable..!
"many writers and producers"
Proven irrelevant.
"How anyone can say they prefer it over any other MJ album is beyond me and I wonder of people's motives when they say this"
This is the most stupid thing I ever heard from an MJ fan. Actually from anyone. Ever. I think Invincible is not his best album, but it's definitely better than overrated Off The Wall. I say Dangerous, Bad, Thriller, HIStory, Invincible, Off The Wall. What is my motive?? Please tell me. I say it's quality. I'm starting to wonder what is your motive for saying such nasty, bold and untrue statement.
Calm down dear, it's only a discussion.
Why do you feel the need to make the obvious point that this is 'only' an opinion? Of course it's an opinion - 99% of posts on discussion boards are.
If I post 'Who Is It' in an amazing track & one of MJ's best, would you post 'Opinion & nothing more'? So why post it because I don't particularly like something.
None of what I wrote is irrelevant because as you helpfully say, it is an opinion.
The point on too many producers/writers is not irrelevant anyway as I think most would agree, songs that Michael created on his own or with one collaborator are far superior to works that weren't.
See, Billie Jean, Don't Stop, Beat It, Earth Song, Who Is It, Give In To Me, WBSS, Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, TYWMMF etc.....etc.....etc...
That's why so many are so passionate about Bad.
My point about questioning the motive may not be accurate in some cases, but it stands as an opinion. It's the same when someone says their favourite MJ track is 'Hot Street' or 'On The Line'. Sometimes this will be true, but other times it will be said to make them look like they know his work more in a bit to alleviate themselves above the more common fan.
If anyone truly believes that Invincible is a greater piece of MUSICAL work that Thriller, Bad or Dangerous then great, I'm honestly pleased that this largely dismissed album has that level of appreciation. I just find it hard to believe.
And like I always say there are some really good tracks on there, just not a patch on the virtually perfect musical legacy the man had before.
Finally, please let us all discuss without resorting to argument & aversion. This is music, meant to bring us together even if we don't necessarily hold the same opinion on a certain piece of work.
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