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kasume said:
(Who is helping Murray with his thousands of dollars in child support????)
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Who is helping him?

Murray is late on his child support and there's a lawsuit on that. Recently they have determined a payment plan and his one of girlfriends forgave the back payments. It doesn't look like he's even got the full amount of child support ($15,000), his deal is to pay $1000 per month and then came $5,000 from an anonymous benefactor.

Do you really think that he would kill Michael for a few thousand dollars that he owe in child support while he would have made $150,000 per month working for Michael? He would get a lot more money by keeping Michael alive.

(side note: Murray is of course 100% guilty in Michael's death, however as of now it doesn't look like Murray would have a financial motive for Michael's death/murder)

Plus : Helping Murray with child support will be a serious conflict of interest and that would result in losing the executor position.
 
ivy said:
Do you really think that he would kill Michael for a few thousand dollars that he owe in child support while he would have made $150,000 per month working for Michael? He would get a lot more money by keeping Michael alive.

(side note: Murray is of course 100% guilty in Michael's death, however as of now it doesn't look like Murray would have a financial motive for Michael's death/murder)
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I NEVER said that he would kill Michael for a few thousands dollars in child support. And before he's hired as Michael's doctor, he can't even pay child support and his house, now AFTER Michael is gone, heck, he can afford body guards, travel, and pay all his bills. But WAIT, it was reported that Michael didn't even pay him his 150,000. So where the heck is he getting his money now? I believe he would get a lot more $$$ by killing Michael, because a hired assasin's pay would certainly exceed 150,000. And didn't someone say that 150,000 WAS a hired assain's pay? I can't believe what murray asked for before that.

15 grand is what was eventually agreed upon. The amount he asked before was sky high.

Q. The press reports said AEG was paying him $150k a month.
DiLeo: That’s what I OK’d. What he originally asked for was astronomical.
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And last but not least, you wouldn't believe how many murderes have no apparent motive. One of the greatest documented murders in American history had no apparent motive. It was the slaughtering of an entire Kansas family inside their home. And I find that murder VERY similar to Michael's. I mean, these people were stabbed to death inside their home! And YET, it was a murder with "almost no clues" and "seemingly WITHOUT MOTIVE."

And I personally believe there is a motive behind Michael's death, and Murray was part of the plan.

"...that rarity, 'a natural killer'-absolutely sane, but conscienceless, and capable of dealing, with or without motive, the coldest-blooded deathblows". - Capote
 
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ivy said:
Who is helping him?

Murray is late on his child support and there's a lawsuit on that. Recently they have determined a payment plan and his one of girlfriends forgave the back payments. It doesn't look like he's even got the full amount of child support ($15,000), his deal is to pay $1000 per month and then came $5,000 from an anonymous benefactor.

Do you really think that he would kill Michael for a few thousand dollars that he owe in child support while he would have made $150,000 per month working for Michael? He would get a lot more money by keeping Michael alive.

(side note: Murray is of course 100% guilty in Michael's death, however as of now it doesn't look like Murray would have a financial motive for Michael's death/murder)

Plus : Helping Murray with child support will be a serious conflict of interest and that would result in losing the executor position.
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I don't think Kasume is necessarily saying that Branca is helping Murray - he would never be so stupid. There would be many ways to get the money to him indirectly or other people with interests to help him. If he has evidence to put AEG partially at fault - they would have reason to make sure that Murray took the full responsiblity while at the same time trying to help him get as light as punishment as possible - he is less likely to talk if he gets a great deal.
 
Sure there can be murders with no motive at all but I don't think that it would be relevant in this case if you are saying that there's a conspiracy. ( I don't think that anyone thinks that Murray is a sociopath who randomly went ballistic and murdered Michael with no motive or explanation).

Conspiracy is all based on that someone or a group of people / organizations wanted Michael dead for one reason or another and therefore planned to kill him with the help of Murray.

If you argue that Murray is the fall guy or the assassin then that means that he needs to have motive - which will most likely be money. And that would need more money than he could have made working with Michael.

Now where is he getting his money from is a good question. Something I'd like to know as well. However I wouldn't expect any direct connection between Murray and any other parties - well simply because as jrsfan said that would be plain stupid.

As for the money he could be earning it from his practice, lawyers and etc could be working pro bono (you wouldn't believe what lawyers would do to be a part of a high importance case to get their names on the papers and to get on tv), his community seems to support him.

And actually I think (well speculate that) there's probably a media deal -documentary, movie, tell all book etc - and that's where the money comes from. Even O.J. Simpson had a hypothetical murder book, I expect some sort of media deal from Murray as well after the trial is over.
 
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There are no supporters. what community is supporting him???? that poor church in Houston that would easily allow him and his cameramen in for $$$?? his barber? because that's the only people i see. i have yet to see that "busloads of murray supporters" show up at court like was reported.

Now where is he getting his money from is a good question. Something I'd like to know as well. However I wouldn't expect any direct connection between Murray and any other parties - well simply because as jrsfan said that would be plain stupid.
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If Murray never speaks and keeps his mouth shut, no, it wouldn't be stupid.

But let's say there wasn't a direct connection, indirect connection is still a connection, and what's most important is where this money is originating from.

And if it's not the estate helping Murray out directly, then who else is there???? The only thing I can think of is AEG. And "i thought" AEG had nothing to do with murray and were done with him......something is fishy about all of this, and somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.
 
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kasume said:
And if it's not the estate helping Murray out directly, then who else is there???? The only thing I can think of is AEG. And "i thought" AEG had nothing to do with murray and were done with him......something is fishy about all of this, and somebody needs to get to the bottom of it.
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Estate wouldn't /couldn't be helping him - that would be a serious conflict of interest and they would lose executor position in a heartbeat. Plus if you believe that they "faked the will to control the estate" then you can see that they wouldn't do anything to jeopardize that.

Plus I can almost to a certainty assure you that the LAPD would have been checking Murray's financials - that's criminal investigation 101. Everybody knows to "follow the money". (Remember Michael's 2005 case and how his financials were introduced as a motive to conspiracy). I believe that DA and LAPD is tracking Murray's financials and if there's something fishy it would come up in the trial.
 
I believe that DA and LAPD is tracking Murray's financials and if there's something fishy it would come up in the trial.
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D.A. isn't doing crap! They were laughing and chuckling at the last court hearing during the discussion of whether to keep Murray's license. Very disrespectful! And LAPD finished investigation long ago. Their done with Murray unless charges are bumped, which gives them that reason to dig much deeper.

And there's many ways to recieve money so that police can't track it. Money can still be exhanged without any evidence of it on record of it's passing from person to person.

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"Michael would have BURN HIS OWN MUSIC, before to see it on SONY's and Branca's hands."

Charles Kapolow (chuckie), one of the main dancers in TII, posted this video on his facebook page.



I still haven't ruled out the option of a boycott against sony. someone told me, "that would just make Michael look like no one cares about him anymore." not if all the millions of Michael's fans all over the world announce the boycott. then they'll all know that we're boycotting sony FOR Michael.
 
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kasume said:
I still haven't ruled out the option of a boycott against sony. someone told me, "that would just make Michael look like no one cares about him anymore." not if all the millions of Michael's fans all over the world announce the boycott. then they'll all know that we're boycotting sony FOR Michael.
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Then nobody will buy the new album? Boycott is a big barney. Will not do anything, much less solve something. In my opinion, is a waste of time. Sony will continue making money with or without the boycott. Fact.
 
Sony will continue making money with or without the boycott. Fact.
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Then why did they take advantage of Michael and try to sabotage him for the Beatles catalogue? They NEED Michael.

"I left $ony and now they're very angry at me." - Michael

The music industry is going downhill more and more each year. Their artists are not selling any records. The only person that can continue to sell a great number of records for years and years is Michael. In 2007 or 2008, Sony closed a music store because people weren't buying any songs.
So tell me, if lesser albums and music are sold each year, then how can Sony continue to make $$$? (And big money is what their after).

Michael has millions of fans all over the world. And when people boycott in the milliions all over the world of ALL sony products, yes, there is an impact. We could at least boycott sony's Michael items. (all those video games, cds, dolls, etc etc)

Michael left his music for his children, not Branca and DEFINATLY not sony!

Like what was said in that video, "Michael would rather BURN HIS OWN MUSIC, then have it in the hand of Sony."
 
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kasume said:
So tell me, if lesser albums and music are sold each year, then how can Sony continue to make $$$? (And big money is what their after).
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Sony is a company gigantic. -_- Do not create the illusion that MJ fans boycotting Sony will stop making money. And nobody has the slightest idea as was the relationship between Michael and Sony in recent years. Fact.

And there's a thread on the boycott here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95233&page=3


Well, if fans want to go with it.... ok, I just wish good luck.
 
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Boycott or not to boycott, that is the question?

As a matter of principle, I've been making sure I don't buy any Sony products for a while now but when it comes to helping MJ staying on top of the entertainment industry, I can't help it.

I made compromises with myself to help appease my conscience. I will support Michael's legacy but nothing else.
 
I find Bonnie's blog about the connection between Dash & Sony very interesting. I wish we had known about this during the trial:

link:
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/08/michael-jackson-know-about-transitional.html

But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement.”

Now back to the video:

It claims according to Michael’s testimony during a deposition on this that Michael did not know about Transitional. Then says that this was the perfect way for Sony to get the catalog, buy setting Michael up.

How would they do this? Lets continue with the video:

“Contact an entity to refinance debts and buy the other half of the Sony/ATV catalog. Put all the assets you want for yourself as collateral.” (as Stabler and Darien did for Michael)

“Break the Contract and the assets are yours.” (As Stabler andDarien did on the contract).

“Because Branca and McClain will not pay Barclay’s at the end of the year”

Now on this document Transitional Complaint on line 27, it says:

“Each of the term sheets stated that “By execution thereof, the undersigned (Don Stabler) represents that he is authorized to act on behalf of MJ Publishing Trust and Michael J. Jackson.” Each of these term sheets were signed as “accepted” on February 28, 2005 by Don Stabler as the “authorized representative of MJ Publishing Trust and Michael J. Jackson.”

Don Stabler, according to the NY Times article, never got Michael to sign this. Both Don and Randy Jackson, according to Michael’s quote in that article, wanted to “Take his head off.” So the questions I have are:

How did Don Stabler ever get to be an authorized representative if he could not get Michael to sign the paperwork? Did he fraudulently sign Michael’s name to any documents authorizing him to represent Michael?

During the trial, how could Randy work with someone trying to set his brother up, end up leaving this meeting mid-trial angry at Michael during a heated episode, then have Michael thank specifically Randy for his support after the trial?

Michael never heard of Darien Dash. Dash owns Prescient Acquisition. Prescient is not the one filing the complaint however, it is Transitional. Prescient was the original contact, they contacted Transitional who in turn allegedly secured the financing through Fortress.

Fortress is also the same company who refinanced Michael’s Neverland loan and sold it to Colony Capital. Fortress, allegedly WITHOUT the knowledge of Transitional (the middle man), sold the loans at Michael’s bequest to a deal Sony worked out with HSBC and Barclay’s bank. Source:

“Financially, Jackson remains in no position to cure his dilemma. Even though he refinanced his $300 million loan from Fortress Investments with help from Sony Music, HSBC and Barclays Bank, the Neverland loan was not part of that deal. Fortress would clearly like to get out of the Jackson business altogether now, so selling at auction is their answer.”

So now we know how Barclay’s got involved in this. Sony was so nice to help Michael out weren’t they? Remember the terms of the loan? All Michael’s assets. All of them.

Well, Michael may have never heard of Darian Dash, but Sony sure has! Let’s look at Darien Dash:

(Again, thank you Gina! God Bless you!)

May 31, 2008. That date, revealed here for the first time, is known as the "Liquidation Sale" among insiders.

Darien Dash, who helms Prescient Capital Group and is a cousin of hip-hop entrepreneur Damon Dash

Stabler agreed to pay Prescient/Dash a nine percent fee for finding financing to replace Jackson’s $270 million at Bank of America.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258016,00.html

DARIEN DASH
http://www.answers.com/topic/darien-dash - biography

Darien Dash, DME Interactive Holdings CEO


DME Interactive Holdings, Inc. Announces The Addition Of KathodeRay Media, Inc.
KathodeRay Media, Inc. provides the back-end design and programming support for over thirty leading advertising and multimedia firms, including ...Sony online. Source

Source

Darian Dash - Founder, CEO DME - parent co. of Digital Mafia Entertainment How charming.

The company’s long list of clients included...BMG North America, Sony Corp.


Bill Clinton & Darien Dash (I knew there was a reason I didn't like that guy!)

And drum roll please......
Entrepreneur Magazine - February 2000
"But Dash's wealth of good karma doesn't hurt. While providing Web development and Internet solutions for such clients as Motown Records, BMG North America, Sony Music..." Source


NEW YORK, July 5, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- DME Interactive Holdings, Inc. , through its subsidiary, The Girls Entertainment, is pleased to announce it has added the Rock Steady Crew (RSC) 29th Anniversary to the firm's roster.

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe is also supporting the RSC 29th Anniversary. Source


Oh...it's getting good now! (Gina's exclamation...would laugh if weren't so sad)

Monday, March 19, 2001

Dash with Sony Exec Howard Stringer


Other participants included (seated L to R), Bob Pittman, the co-chief operating officer of AOL/Time Warner; Howard Stringer, the chairman and chief executive of Sony Corporation of America; and Darrien Dash, founder and chief executive of DME Interactive Holdings, Inc. Source

UPDATE - Fresh from friend Vanessa: Darien Dash step-father Cecil Holmes is an exec at Casablanca Records which is co-owned by Tommy Mottola

Both Sony Music & DME contributions. New York Election Contributions . . . check and see who on this list was in Michael's list of attorneys. Source


Tomorrow, if I get time, I will continue with Transitional and Don Stabler.

Sony couldn't get him with the two accusations and years of press and media abuse, lawsuits and theft . . . So a switchback involving his assets, a middle-man finance finder and a continued attempt to drive Michael to bankruptcy and Sony comes to the rescue with a refinance through Barclay's. All they had to do is make sure Michael was taken out of control of his business. Now with their front man Branca running the estate and the world watching them, let's how motivated they are to pay off this Barclay loan before it comes due this fall.
 
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it is believed...it is speculated...invincible was not successful? sounds like these 'knowledgeable people' are liars. i read the whole thing, and find they know nothing. these people make no financial sense at all, with this timeline. they're stupid.

on top of that, his kids have been set for life.
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Why would MJ need loan after loan? The 50% of Sony/ATV should generate more than enough $$$. What about History album and the tour? did it earn $0.00?


Why no info on what that catalog earns (from nearly everyone)?


What about a new album instead of back to back loans?
Also what was all these loan monies used for and or spent on? It could not have been "shopping" or merely "lavish spending"?


Were others (Branca and company) making "loans in Michael's name?


The "broke" & "cash poor" stories never really add up. Why invest in something (Northern ATV Songs-later merged- Sony) that get you nothing?

MJ soley owned the Norther ATV cat. Fron 1985 -95 what did he earn in that time along with the mega successful BAD and Dangerous albums?
(with this kind of loot the later loans would not be needed. The chandler settlement would not have left MJ with nothing)


Also I believe MJ invested millions in PS2 Sony Pictures and many other profit making ventures; these are always left out. Why?


While I agree with the premise of foul play and of MJ being murdered; the "broke" part always seems just not right.


Can someone answer these question?
 
kasume said:
D.A. isn't doing crap! They were laughing and chuckling at the last court hearing during the discussion of whether to keep Murray's license. Very disrespectful! And LAPD finished investigation long ago. Their done with Murray unless charges are bumped, which gives them that reason to dig much deeper.

And there's many ways to recieve money so that police can't track it. Money can still be exhanged without any evidence of it on record of it's passing from person to person.

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"Michael would have BURN HIS OWN MUSIC, before to see it on SONY's and Branca's hands."

Charles Kapolow (chuckie), one of the main dancers in TII, posted this video on his facebook page.



I still haven't ruled out the option of a boycott against sony. someone told me, "that would just make Michael look like no one cares about him anymore." not if all the millions of Michael's fans all over the world announce the boycott. then they'll all know that we're boycotting sony FOR Michael.
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Sony pulled that one quick; what was in the Video?
I believe they (Sony/Branca) are are definately suspects IMO.

Why did not MJ mention a new SONY album deal at the 02 press conferrence? Was he going independent (a no no) or shopping some other distribution company?
 
I agree Hemlock--all these loans just don't make sense.
Enablers would blame it on Michael's lavish lifestyle and over the top spending, but for some reason I don't buy it. Michael was such a rational and astute businessman that this spend-a-holic picture paints a totally different person to me. As if it was NOT him, literally.

I wish there was a way to audit his books independently. A lot has been swept under the rug for years, and now his murder is heading the same direction.
Even when truth is hidden, there's always a way to expose it.

As for the video, Message to Sony, I believe I have downloaded it somewhere. I'll need to check my archives and get back to you. It's been a long time since I've been saving everything MJ related.
 
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Exactly Jrsfan ^^
The initial vid was quickly removed by Sony, but Laura Isabel immediately posted it under another link.
Luckily, this vid is already downloaded by many. No way it can disappear now, just like the closest version to the famous missing vid in Burbank studio:
MJ too thin to tour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp2D6bUXboo

Once something goes online, it can never disappear without traces.
 
jrsfan said:
I think it is this one that was linked by Gaiaschild, powerful video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zL-4pKhtGg&feature=player_embedded


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Maria MJ said:
Exactly Jrsfan ^^
The initial vid was quickly removed by Sony, but Laura Isabel immediately posted it under another link.
Luckily, this vid is already downloaded by many. No way it can disappear now, just like the closest version to the famous missing vid in Burbank studio:
MJ too thin to tour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp2D6bUXboo

Once something goes online, it can never disappear without traces.
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Thank you

I downloaded them both.:)
 
I like to keep up to date on the latest info in the music industry to remind myself a big part of why June 25th turned out that way.

Katy Perry's exuberant "Teenage Dream" jumps to #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 this week. It's Perry's second #1 hit in a row on that chart, following her summertime smash "California Gurls." So her new Teenage Dream album must be setting records, right? Not so much. The album has sold 281,000 copies in its first two weeks, nothing to sneeze at, but far below industry projections. (Most insiders figured it would sell about 400,000 copies in its first week, which would have it approaching 600,000 by now.).

Album sales have been dropping in recent years, but most figured that Perry had attained a level of pop stardom that would enable her to defy downward sales trends. Three of her songs ("I Kissed A Girl," "Hot N Cold" and "California Gurls") have topped the 3 million mark in digital sales. She received back-to-back Grammy nominations for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance the last two years (and will probably be in the running in that high-profile category again when this year's nominations are announced in December). She was even on the cover of Rolling Stone in August..

So what happened? The most obvious problem is that the album should have been released a few months ago, when "California Gurls," Perry's monster-hit collaboration with Snoop Dogg, was at its peak.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/65521/chart-watch-extra-is-it-a-hit-or-a-let-down/
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I don't see that as an excuse. If her music was any good, then an entire album wouldn't have to rely on one single song. If so, then that's sad for an artist. If Michael had to do something like that, he would cry.

And I also like to compare all this new info about the #1 selling artists today to what was said in 2008 about a musician who hadn't released an album or even performed in nearly ten years.

Michael Jackson Is Recession-Proof

"With the economic downturn deepening, attracting private money to the financial industry may be difficult. But that is not the case with the entertainment industry -- if the entertainer is Michael Jackson, undisputed "King of Pop." Recession or not, it seems that his popularity is not subjected to diminishing returns."
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Sony must think we're stupid, or that their infiltrators over at this board, and other boards were really were going to suceed in trying to persuade us they are innocent and nothing is fishy.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Private-Life-John-Nathan/dp/0395893275

I checked this out at my local library. There is some interesting things about Michael and Tommy Mottolla and a few other good things to look into.

I'll scan and upload some pages if my scanner works....if not, I'll write down the important bits when I have time, because theirs a lot of interesting info in this book.

I recommend it.
 
there's a thread in the gd section, with two former sony execs. in some ways, they seem to speculate, and in other ways they sound like they're repeating what Michael said. but it's clear, that Sony might be suspect. i'm still having a hard time, where two rich people leverage, and when it's somebody else, it's not considered debt, but with Michael, it's considered debt...yet both rich people are doing the same thing. an mediocre label remembers how much money it spent. a great label does not. sony kept bringing up thirty million dollars spent on Invincible. people who remember money are likely to never be satisfied with what a person does with what money they give to that person. and is likely to think a person is in debt, even if he isn't, because, to them, too much money is never enough. and their objectivity about art is clouded. the clouded people are sony, and the person they gave the money to, is Michael. but sony is only big, because of Michael.
 
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To me, the direct approach didn't work for Sony over the years.
Never heard of a conglomerate changing plans for bringing an enemy down, especially when so many billions of $$$ are at stake and in the middle of a global financial crisis. The benefits of destroying Mike were huge and timeless.
The only thing left to do was to take a back seat and put someone else on the wheel.
Which is what they did.
 
Maria MJ said:
To me, the direct approach didn't work for Sony over the years.
Never heard of a conglomerate changing plans for bringing an enemy down, especially when so many billions of $$$ are at stake and in the middle of a global financial crisis. The benefits of destroying Mike were huge and timeless.
The only thing left to do was to take a back seat and put someone else on the wheel.
Which is what they did.
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Now Janet is trotting around calling her brother an addict. Murray will love this. Also I heard a rumor that Janet might sign with SONY? Any truth to this and if so I'll not be surprized.
 
It's not hard to see that the siblings whose careers are still active in the music business will go for the "addict" and the "intervention" story. Aka blaming it on Mike because they don't want the corporate suits as enemies.
 
kasume said:
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http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Private-Life-John-Nathan/dp/0395893275

I checked this out at my local library. There is some interesting things about Michael and Tommy Mottolla and a few other good things to look into.

I'll scan and upload some pages if my scanner works....if not, I'll write down the important bits when I have time, because theirs a lot of interesting info in this book.

I recommend it.
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Interesting book. I was curious and I will buy when I can.

Thanks for posting!
 
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