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mjsdot

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I dont really know where to post this so please move it if neccessary.

I have just been reading a piece on AOL news US which was written by Rabbi Schmuley, the article itself isnt a problem but I made the mistake of starting to read some of the 306 comments. I gave up after about 10 pages in despair, virtually every comment said that Michael caused his own death by asking for the drugs that it was his own fault and that the doctor should not go to jail. There were also the usual comments of him being a fr**** and P****** but I am used to seeing those.

What I am concerned about is that if those posters are representative of opinion in America then how on earth is a jury going to be chosen who will convict Murray of anything. If they sit on the jury with the opinion that Michael was ultimately responsible for his own death nothing will change their minds on that, it seems their view that if he hadnt asked for it he would be alive so its his fault not Murrays:cry:
 
Well... that's gotta hurt really. If possible, try always avoiding those comments. Those come from little cowards who have just to guts to publish under false names but never to face the world with their opinions. Those people are just so useless and don't deserve your attention. I guess they can't be considered a majority of nothing but the Cowards Community.

If anyone can't see that CM killed a man who was lying helples on his own bed, without any chance to be protected, nevermind the reasons why he was in that state, then than person has simply no heart and no decency. I would like to know if they would have the same opinion of CM had done the same to someone they love or respect.

Cowards!!! :angry:
 
mjsdot said:
but I made the mistake of starting to read some of the 306 comments. I gave up after about 10 pages in despair, virtually every comment said that
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My advice would be never read the commnets. I never do that :no:
 
lucilla said:
We had the same problem in 2005, but It's different what the media shows the people and what is shown in a trial.
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Bingo. And in 2005 the public opinion was much more on the anti-Michael side IMO.
 
We had the same problem in 2005-when a majority white conservative jury ended up bring chosen how many of us were panicking convinced that they'd be automatically against Michael? We just have to trust, that's all we can do.
 
We just have to think positive and remember that the jury selection process is designed specifically to weed out those who are biased in any way. The evidence will speak for itself.
 
The jury will not be able to judge based on "Michael wanted and asked for the drugs". How is anyone ever gonna prove it first of all, since MJ is dead, so whether he "asked" to be given Propofol or not....NO ONE will ever know because Michael is not here to tell us what he wanted or didn't want. Also, if they let a doctor off the hook just because "the patient wanted" something that was dangerous and the doctor knew (or SHOULD have known) that it is not in the patient's best interest, then they pretty much open the door for every quack in the planet. Because that would free EVERY doctor from their responsibility from then on. Every single doctor could do whatever they'd want to...all nurses could do what they want....let's not forget there has been patients murdered by doctors and nurses...so all those could from now on also say "Oh but the patient WANTED me to do this"....and since the patient would not be around to tell his/her side of the story....the nurse/doctor could also walk free. No matter what the jury really thinks about Michael....there will be no way they will even consider the "but MJ wanted and demanded" possibility. If they would allow that then all doctors would be free to prescribe all kinds of pills to addicts without needing to worry about the consequences if they die....or if any patient dies really...because you could always say "the patient wanted".

Also, the jury will have to judge based on FACTS and not based on what THEY think. No jury can give a person a guilty or not guilty verdict based on what THEY think. They have to look at the evidence and then go from there. And no matter how much MJ would have begged for Propofol...all Murray would have needed to do would have been to say "no". If he was afraid of losing his job because of it...well, it was still his choice and his decision. I mean, let's say you'd work in some company...and your boss would ask you to do something that you knew was wrong and very risky and could put people at risk (and let's say your boss was a very nice one, a family man, not some scary mafia-type guy...and your boss would NOT say you will get fired if you don't do it because you didn't even ask because you just assumed it yourself...)....would you do it...just because you were afraid of losing your job? And if people would then die because you did it anyway even though you knew it was EXTREMELY dangerous....do you think the jury would be all "oh poor you...we understand..you had to do it because your nice, non-threatening boss asked you to do it... you had no choice...he was holding a gun to your head no doubt *sarcasm*"....Or would they rather think that you KNEW it was dangerous and would put people in danger....but YOU decided to do it anyway and KNOWINGLY put people's lives in danger...and people then died because you were just worried about your JOB. Do you think the jury would be sympathetic towards you...or would they think "Well, YOU killed those people because you didn't care that what you were doing was dangerous!". Think about it...
 
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i want to be on the jury for this trial but i live in iowa and there is no way for me to be on the jury lol. but if i was..... Murray would be in a world of hurt.
 
mjsdot said:
I dont really know where to post this so please move it if neccessary.

I have just been reading a piece on AOL news US which was written by Rabbi Schmuley, the article itself isnt a problem but I made the mistake of starting to read some of the 306 comments. I gave up after about 10 pages in despair, virtually every comment said that Michael caused his own death by asking for the drugs that it was his own fault and that the doctor should not go to jail. There were also the usual comments of him being a fr**** and P****** but I am used to seeing those.

What I am concerned about is that *if* those posters are representative of opinion in America then how on earth is a jury going to be chosen who will convict Murray of anything. If they sit on the jury with the opinion that Michael was ultimately responsible for his own death nothing will change their minds on that, it seems their view that if he hadnt asked for it he would be alive so its his fault not Murrays:cry:
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I have read a lot of these same articles from around the world not only American sites. I have also read a lot of articles from all around the world where people including America where people believe Murray is in the wrong.

You have to have *Faith in people, in their hearts. Not label someone by their country or race etc.

A jury will have to go by the *Facts and the Evidence* presented. There is No If Ands or Buts.
You have to follow the Rules in a Court of Law.

In the 2005 trial 12 jurors - found Michael Jackson *Not Guilty* on all counts in Santa Maria California USA.

These 12 jurors were eight women and four men, with eight alternate jurors, consisting of four men and four women. There were no African-American jurors in the final jury, though one African-American was among the alternate jurors.


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souldreamer7


"I will not stand by and be bashed for being American. I can just hear it now "It's the US fault The people in the USA Americans this Americans that." It is Not fair, it's not right to Label - Discriminant - Judge - Speculate of people because of where they were born and the culture they come from. I thought the motto was UNITY. L.O.V.E PEACE Good will towards men. etc."
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mc8755 said:
Bingo. And in 2005 the public opinion was much more on the anti-Michael side IMO.
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The 'public opinion' turned their TV on and saw the media update with Non-Facts and Speculation. The Media - Press didn't do their jobs for the people, the general public.



 
souldreamer7 said:
I have read a lot of these same articles from around the world not only American sites. I have also read a lot of articles from all around the world where people including America where people believe Murray is in the wrong.

You have to have *Faith in people, in their hearts. Not label someone by their country or race etc.

A jury will have to go by the *Facts and the Evidence* presented. There is No If Ands or Buts.
You have to follow the Rules in a Court of Law.

In the 2005 trial 12 jurors - found Michael Jackson *Not Guilty* on all counts in Santa Maria California USA.

These 12 jurors were eight women and four men, with eight alternate jurors, consisting of four men and four women. There were no African-American jurors in the final jury, though one African-American was among the alternate jurors.


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souldreamer7
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I was not labelling people by their country or race I simply said American because the trial will take place in America no other reason.
 
no put worryng about something u cant change or have no control over.
 
mjsdot said:
I dont really know where to post this so please move it if neccessary.

I have just been reading a piece on AOL news US which was written by Rabbi Schmuley, the article itself isnt a problem but I made the mistake of starting to read some of the 306 comments. I gave up after about 10 pages in despair, virtually every comment said that Michael caused his own death by asking for the drugs that it was his own fault and that the doctor should not go to jail. There were also the usual comments of him being a fr**** and P****** but I am used to seeing those.

What I am concerned about is that if those posters are representative of opinion in America then how on earth is a jury going to be chosen who will convict Murray of anything. If they sit on the jury with the opinion that Michael was ultimately responsible for his own death nothing will change their minds on that, it seems their view that if he hadnt asked for it he would be alive so its his fault not Murrays:cry:
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souldreamer7 said:
I have read a lot of these same articles from around the world not only American sites. I have also read a lot of articles from all around the world where people including America where people believe Murray is in the wrong.

You have to have *Faith in people, in their hearts. Not label someone by their country or race etc.

A jury will have to go by the *Facts and the Evidence* presented. There is No If Ands or Buts.
You have to follow the Rules in a Court of Law.

In the 2005 trial 12 jurors - found Michael Jackson *Not Guilty* on all counts in Santa Maria California USA.

These 12 jurors were eight women and four men, with eight alternate jurors, consisting of four men and four women. There were no African-American jurors in the final jury, though one African-American was among the alternate jurors.


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souldreamer7
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mjsdot said:
I was not labelling people by their country or race I simply said American because the trial will take place in America no other reason.
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:waving: I didn't exactly think that you were.
The point was not only of label but Mainly, collectively, To Have *Faith In People - In The Human Race.***

I wanted to reasure you that people see wrong, when wrong has been done. I also pointed out how 12 jurors found Michael Not Guilty in America before - since you did point out comments from an American AOL site.
That we have to trust in the human heart.
That the jury selected will have to go by Fact and The Rules in a Court of Law. The jury will have to base the verdict on Facts,Evidence and their own common sense within. Have a little faith in the human race.

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souldreamer7




 
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