Jury sequestering discussion / Appeal / Stay denied

Re: Jackson doctor defense files appeal, seeks delay

Man the defense shouldn't be pissing off this judge by going against his ruling! lol

I can't imagine again another 3 months of delay! Please god no!
 
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Seems possible to me that Chernoff may be shooting himself in the foot with this sequestration request. As I understand it, he feels the media trial coverage and commentary will prejudice jurors against his noble client, yes? So right away he is potentially alienating the prospective jury pool by insinuating that the jurors cannot be trusted to honor and obey the judge's instructions about avoiding tv and media coverage, etc., Also they will know who to thank when they are locked up for the duration of the trial. Chernoff has a low opinion of California trial lawyers, looks like it extends to Californians in general...
 
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Do you guys remember, I think it was last year, that Sharon B. Anthony was saying we should be vigilant because they were trying to postpone the trial until 2012? Now we had so many attempts to try and postpone the trial that I am beginning to wonder about her statement right now. After the defense asked for a speedy trial, they then began to do things to seek a delay, like not bringing in all documents by the next hearing. Now we have this latest stunt, after Murray went public stating the judge made a mistake. It seems their intent was to have this trial delayed from the get go, for some purpose of their own.
 
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got another response from another lawyer Herb Fox

The vast majority of these "emergency appeals" (called writ petitions) are summarily and quickly denied by the Court of Appeal without reaching the merits of the issues raised. If that will be the case here, the Court of Appeal will most likely deny the petition before Sept. 8, and the trial will proceed on schedule.

If however the Court believes that the petition needs to be fully addressed, it will probably decide that by Sept. 8, or issue a temporary stay until it makes this initial decision. If the Court desires to hear the matter, it will result in a delay of several months or longer, unless the Court of Appeal issues an expedited briefing and hearing schedule.
 
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Thanks Ivy. So everything will become clear this week...
 
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Jmie when we dealing with Muarry nothing becomes clear. [sarcasm]

Today we in the US are home, so let's see if something happens tomorrow.
 
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Very good explanation Ivy. Thanks.

I see why Murray wants the jury sequestered. I wonder if it happens here, will it help Murray? Obviously the publicity will be heavy here. However, the press hasn't been fair to Michael throughout the years. So I wonder if sequestering the jury will help Murray.
 
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Thanks for all the info, ivy.
 
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The defense have forgotten that Muarry's case is not similar to the Casey case. Muarry's jurors will see a different type of evidence than the Casey jurors did. However, we all know this is just a delay tactic, so I am curious to see what the justices will say.
 
Re: Murray: Judge made an error by not sequestering jury

Dr. Conrad Murray
Judge Made an 'Error'
By Not Sequestering Jury



Conrad Murray thinks Judge Michael Pastor made a mistake when he ruled against sequestering the jury in the upcoming Michael Jackson manslaughter trial ... but he said he's doing the best he can and that God will see him through this.

God ... and a jury of his peers.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/27/conra...kson-manslaughter-trial-judge-michael-pastor/

JEEZ WHAT IS IT WITH THIS GUY AND BALLOONS![/QUOTE I bet the Honorable Judge Paster was inuriated with his comment. It may have or not be the cause of this hearing today. athat just may opinion. But dude needs to sht his trap asap. It's making him look worse.
 
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Re: Murray: Judge made an error by not sequestering jury

Your parents made an error by having you piece of sh*t
 
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Actually they have ulterior motives in my opinion.

Case Anthony trial was televised but the jury was sequestered. The televised trial and commentary wasn't defense friendly mainly all the media and the public believing that Casey Anthony was a murderer. The defense expects the same thing to happen for Murray. For example I posted some transcripts from Nancy Grace - even though she still believes that Michael to be *questionable* in regards to molestation accusations, she also calls Murray a murderer. So I think the defense is expecting a similar trend towards Murray - even though media might not be MJ friendly, they will still tend to blame Murray for his death.

The interesting thing about Casey Anthony trial is that even though all the media and public believed her to be a killer, the jury - which was sequestered- found her not guilty. Now they are trying to achieve the same here. They think if they lock the jury and they don't see the public and media hate towards Murray they will be more likely to come up with a not guilty verdict.

Now I also followed Casey Anthony trial quite closely and there have been some evaluations in regards to the outcome. One was that she was too highly charged (capital murder) and the jurors were unwilling to give her such high sentence - if lower charges were presented as alternative would be better. We don't have this issue with the Murray trial. The charge is the lowest possible charge.

Second argument was that the sequestered jurors forming a common mindset and friendships. It's kinda like this: when you sequester jury they have no access to their families and friends and they only have contact with other jurors, they became friendly with each other. So they don't want to disappoint their jury friends. An opinion leader can be present and that person can shape the opinions of the other people as they want to be "friendly". For example research has shown that if a person has an alternative belief and has access to his/her families for support they can stand their ground : such as if a jury believes a person to be guilty while the others don't and can talk with their families and get support like "do what's right, fight for what you believe" etc they can keep voting guilty for a long time despite the other jurors position. On the other hand research shows that if the jury are sequestered they can't stay their ground and can change opinions /or persuaded otherwise by the group mindset.

I don't know if I was able to express it properly.

Yes you were and thanks a lot for that. Your hard work here is really appreciated.
 
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Actually they have ulterior motives in my opinion.

Case Anthony trial was televised but the jury was sequestered. The televised trial and commentary wasn't defense friendly mainly all the media and the public believing that Casey Anthony was a murderer. The defense expects the same thing to happen for Murray. For example I posted some transcripts from Nancy Grace - even though she still believes that Michael to be *questionable* in regards to molestation accusations, she also calls Murray a murderer. So I think the defense is expecting a similar trend towards Murray - even though media might not be MJ friendly, they will still tend to blame Murray for his death.

The interesting thing about Casey Anthony trial is that even though all the media and public believed her to be a killer, the jury - which was sequestered- found her not guilty. Now they are trying to achieve the same here. They think if they lock the jury and they don't see the public and media hate towards Murray they will be more likely to come up with a not guilty verdict.

Now I also followed Casey Anthony trial quite closely and there have been some evaluations in regards to the outcome. One was that she was too highly charged (capital murder) and the jurors were unwilling to give her such high sentence - if lower charges were presented as alternative would be better. We don't have this issue with the Murray trial. The charge is the lowest possible charge.

Second argument was that the sequestered jurors forming a common mindset and friendships. It's kinda like this: when you sequester jury they have no access to their families and friends and they only have contact with other jurors, they became friendly with each other. So they don't want to disappoint their jury friends. An opinion leader can be present and that person can shape the opinions of the other people as they want to be "friendly". For example research has shown that if a person has an alternative belief and has access to his/her families for support they can stand their ground : such as if a jury believes a person to be guilty while the others don't and can talk with their families and get support like "do what's right, fight for what you believe" etc they can keep voting guilty for a long time despite the other jurors position. On the other hand research shows that if the jury are sequestered they can't stay their ground and can change opinions /or persuaded otherwise by the group mindset.

I don't know if I was able to express it properly.


thank your for this post Ivy and as someone who also followed the Casey Anthony case very closely....I agree with your opinion.:)
 
Re: Jackson doctor defense files appeal, seeks delay

this hearing should be starting in 30 minutes...if its suppose to start at 12:30. I think that is the time that was stated. I hope this judge just keeps this trial moving
 
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another 2 hours then if its 12.30 pst
 
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no probs. i dont know how u manage with all those diff time zones. heck i cant even remember what day it is most of the time lol
 
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no probs. i dont know how u manage with all those diff time zones. heck i cant even remember what day it is most of the time lol

:lmao: well it is not to bad..I am on the east coast in the US and they are on the west coast of the US..only 3 hours time difference I just count back 3 hours...:D
 
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Just now on twitter :

InSession
In Session



BREAKING: A California appeals court denied the defense's request to stay Conrad Murray's trial.
 
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See you tomorrow Conrad
 
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Goos news!!! Another one fail of this stupid defence! Hope it will continue
 
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Thanks ben
 
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Good news but at the same time I feel sick.
 
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Same here.
 
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^agree but at the same point I am scared because of all the trash that will come from the defense:angry:
 
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So we can finally get started? THANK JESUS!
 
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We fans have faced worse, now we just want justice for Michael.
 
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