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Justthefacts said:
I don't give a toss who you hate. But don't act shocked that people on this board hate Conrad Murray. If you want to light a candle for him then fine but don't expect the rest of us to follow and don't try to tell people they are wrong for how they feel
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Go back and read my post. Jeeez. I never told anyone how to think or feel.

Go hate whoever you want.
 
Beachlover said:
I believe his lawyers would have told him not to do that. It implies guilt. You would have to look that up on a legal board if you don't believe me or understand why.

In fact, I have no idea if he called them. I have no idea of a lot of things. We don't have all the facts of this case.

I merely empathize with another human being.
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Ok so leaving the hospital when you were told not to does not imply guilt? But saying I am sorry for your lost does? So every doctor who treats a person l and the person dies can't tell the family sorry because it may mean thy did something wrong? Do you empathize with Prince, Paris and Blanket? What about Katherine?
 
mnj1985 said:
Maybe he does, but the fact that he had a camera crew filming him doesn't really show sincerity on his part.
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Ya I def understand that. I'm really interested in seeing this video now. If indeed this is for PR as some have said then I'm actually surprised if anything he would go to ET for something like this...they always seemed to give CNN the exclusives.
 
I just can't believe this. This world is mad. I am too tired of these sympathizers making us fans feel guilty about how we defend Mike. Why don't they start a Murray fansite. Yeah, then you can hug him and love him all you want. You are trying to change millions of fans minds about a man that took away their hero. That does not sound rational . Good luck with that.
 
Justthefacts said:
Ok so leaving the hospital when you were told not to does not imply guilt? But saying I am sorry for your lost does? So every doctor who treats a person at a hospital and the person dies can't tell the family sorry because it may mean thy did something wrong? Do you empathize with Prince, Paris and Blanket? What about Katherine?
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I feel 'sorry' and 'sympathetic' towards the children. They have had their lives overturned and lost their father.
 
Justthefacts said:
Ok so leaving the hospital when you were told not to does not imply guilt? But saying I am sorry for your lost does? So every doctor who treats a person l and the person dies can't tell the family sorry because it may mean thy did something wrong? Do you empathize with Prince, Paris and Blanket? What about Katherine?
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But who told him not to leave the hospital? I don't ever remember reading that.
 
Stargazer said:
Why so much hating on this board? We are annoyed Michael got killed, not at each other. Rember that guys, please.
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I respect what you have to say.

I am trying to understand you.

It seems like one or two people use the word "HATE" and you have "some" start preaching how "we shouldn't hate". Or how we shouldn't be this or that.

We can all respectfully DISAGREE. We can all share our feelings and emotions.

Not everyone HATE'S MURRAY.

You see a lot of anger, disbelief, indignation, outraged, etc. All this is different from HATE.
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Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than not caring about it at all i surpose.
 
mjjfan4ever said:
I respect what you have to say.

I am trying to understand you.

It seems like one or two people use the word "HATE" and you have "some" start preaching how "we shouldn't hate". Or how we shouldn't be this or that.

We can all respectfully DISAGREE. We can all share our feelings and emotions.

Not everyone HATE'S MURRAY.

You see a lot of anger, disbelief, indignation, outraged, etc. All this is different from HATE.
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mmmm it seems more to me than that, especially when people are feeling they want to leave
 
Stargazer said:
Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than him not caring about it at all i surpose.
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He did the right thing buy take a camera crew to say sorry to Michael? You know what screw it I am out of here goodbye
 
mjjfan4ever said:
1. Some of you needs to get off your high horse and come back to reality.

2. Its great that some of you are ready to go to LA (possibly) and give Conrad Murderer a hug, kiss, and sing KUMBAYA with him.... Great for you.
Great for you that you don't harbor hate. Great for you that you are able to forgive.

BUT DON'T SIT HERE AND TELL OTHERS HOW TO FEEL.

You want to talk about being DISAPPOINTED in other MJ FANS??? Are you serious? Why.... because we are human and we are grieving, we are angry, we are hurt?

AND BECAUSE WE CAN SEE A PR STUNT CLEAR AS DAY????

Instead of JUDGING, REBUKING, and DISRESPECTING other Fans.... how about refrain from coming into this thread if it is so APPALLING to you.

I HOPE YOU STILL HAVE THIS VIEW WHEN THE TRIAL START AND IN MURRAY'S DEFENSE, THEY DRAG MJ's name through the MUD with lies.

And for the record I don't hate the MURDERER. He won't have that power over me.

I am ANGRY, I am hurt, I am sad, and I am not alone.

In the whole grand scheme of things... FORGET how I am feeling.

Whether or not this happened due to negligence or done intentionally..

CONRAD MURDERER is the CAUSE of TEARS that are SHED by PRINCE, PARIS, and BLANKET. Along with many others.
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i couldn't agree more.

even if Murray confessed and told the truth... took all his punishments willingly, apologized, etc... it would take me a long LONGG time to forgive... i don't even know if i could even then.

to me forgiving Murray is God's job, not mine. it's impossible for me to forgive that man. do i hate him....? hate would be an understatement, to be honest. i don't know what word to describe how i feel about him.

nothing he says or do will ever undo the damage.
 
Stargazer said:
Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than him not caring about it at all i surpose.
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I don't hate you :no:

I disagree but that's ok :D

Even if Murray were to be found guilty for the Involuntary Manslaughter, the maximum he will serve is 4 years.... so he can go to the front of the Forest Lawn after he serve's his sentence.
 
Saying, "I'm sorry for your loss" is not admitting guilt.
And how do you know Murray apologized when he went to the cemetary? Were you there? Because he sure made certain cameras were rolling.
Like TMZ just stumbled upon the video of him crying in church about being "in the wrong place, at the wrong time". I just find it funny how these videos end up in the hands of people who will pay for them.
 
I going to call what she/he is. They sympathize with Murray on EVERYTHING. READ THEIR POSTS. They can't give the family a pass and believe me I am not a big fan of some of their antics but I defend MJ against everyone. This person want give the family a pass but the man that was with Mike the day he died and gave him all that shit. This person wants us to feel sympathy for Murray. At least his family did not pump him full drugs and leave him to die. This person don't make any sense. So keep believing in their words. They are trying to convince you of something. I will call this person like I read their statements. They are working for that murray man you better believe it. People come down on me for saying it but before you do check out their post on Murray.
 
Justthefacts said:
Yeah but you empathize with the man who took there father away
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Empathy is not sympathy. It also doesn't mean I think he should get away with it in any way. It merely means I believe he is human and has feelings like the rest of us. This is why I have empathy.

I am a nurse by trade. I take care of all sorts of people and have even taken care of criminals from prisons. They may be guilty of a crime but they still deserve medical care and treatment. Of course, not all will agree.
 
Beachlover said:
Empathy is not sympathy. It also doesn't mean I think he should get away with it in any way. It merely means I believe he is human and has feelings like the rest of us. This is why I have empathy.

I am a nurse by trade. I take care of all sorts of people and have even taken care of criminals from prisons. They may be guilty of a crime but they still deserve medical care and treatment. Of course, not all will agree.
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I have a LOT of anger for him but I do have empathy too. Like you said empathy not sympathy. I'm glad I do, because as a paramedic I'm going to deal with the same sort of things you do and I'd like to think I'd treat everyone the same and let the courts do their thing. But I'm still very angry too. It's like I'm being torn in two directions right now. :(
 
Stargazer said:
Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than him not caring about it at all i surpose.
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Darling... honestly... and with all love from me to you... how do you know he went there to do that? Baby, we just don't know. He might do that anywhere if he feels to. And without cameras. I have no reasons to believe ET is at FL everyday, just to see if someone famous arrives.

I know you mean well, hun, I know you want to bring us some peace of mind, but really, this is not very nice to the family, nor to the millions of us suffering. I feel aggravated and I am "but a fan". Can you imagine what this might be for Michael's family?

I know forginess is a good thing we should all try to reach, but please, PLEASE, this man, guilty or innocent, MUST respect the feelings of Michael's 3F (family/friends/fans). And this actions show no respect, especially in this moment. By doing this, he only gets two things: annoy the ones suffering and get sympathy from the ones not really involved in this situation.

So... who is winning?
 
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Forrest Lawn known for privacy just happens to have a camera crew there? And oh look who they see Murray sitting on a bench at the site where a guy he may be charged with killing is buried.
 
PCR said:
Darling... honestly... and with all love from me to you... how do you know he went there to do that? Baby, we just don't know. He might do that anywhere if he feels to. And without camaras. I have no reasons to believe ET is at FL everyday, just to see if someone famous arrives.

I know you mean well, hun, I know you want to bring us some peace of mind, but really, this is not very nice to the family, nor to the millions of us suffering. I feel aggravated and I am "but a fan". Can you imagine what this might be for Michael's family?

I know forginess is a good thing we should all try to reach, but please, PLEASE, this man, guilty or innocent, MUST respect the feelings of Michael's 3F (family/friends/fans). And this actions show no respect, especially in this moment. By doing this, he only gets two things: annoy the ones suffering and get sympathy from the ones not really involved in this situation.

So... who is winning?
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A voice of reason :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping: THANK YOU.:cheers:
 
PCR said:
Darling... honestly... and with all love from me to you... how do you know he went there to do that? Baby, we just don't know. He might do that anywhere if he feels to. And without camaras. I have no reasons to believe ET is at FL everyday, just to see if someone famous arrives.

I know you mean well, hun, I know you want to bring us some peace of mind, but really, this is not very nice to the family, nor to the millions of us suffering. I feel aggravated and I am "but a fan". Can you imagine what this might be for Michael's family?

I know forginess is a good thing we should all try to reach, but please, PLEASE, this man, guilty or innocent, MUST respect the feelings of Michael's 3F (family/friends/fans). And this actions show no respect, especially in this moment. By doing this, he only gets two things: annoy the ones suffering and get sympathy from the ones not really involved in this situation.

So... who is winning?
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Good point, I agree with the fact that it may not have been the right time to do it.
 
Stargazer said:
Hate me if you want (Please don't do that) hahaha But I feel that Murray did the right thing to go and say sorry to Michael because he may not be able to if he goes to jail. It's better than not caring about it at all i surpose.
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See very positive thinking..I understand.

For me, I just can't assume he is going there to say sorry. Thats too far of an assumption for me after his actions the past seven months, i just am not ready to come to that conclusion, especially when cameras followed?
pff...

I cried when I read this at first... that he went to see Michael, he may not have gotten in but just the thought...I'm not ready to imagine, to accept... or to forgive.

the hurt is still very deep. for many.
 
Reghead121 said:
I have a LOT of anger for him but I do have empathy too. Like you said empathy not sympathy. I'm glad I do, because as a paramedic I'm going to deal with the same sort of things you do and I'd like to think I'd treat everyone the same and let the courts do their thing. But I'm still very angry too. It's like I'm being torn in two directions right now. :(
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I think this is why we are in the medical profession taking care of people. I think it takes someone with 'empathy' to do a lot of what we do.

I try my best not to feel anger because it is unhealthy to my spirit. That doesn't mean I don't feel it at times, but I really try my hardest to be empathetic instead and understanding.
 
"Those that you hate either don't know or don't care."


Those words are just as true now as they were when Medgar Evers spoke the several decades ago. I will not tell how people should or should not feel. That is a personal journey for everyone and we all may reach a different conclusion.

What I am saying that you hating Murray or not forgiving him does not effect him either way. You can hate someone's killer to your core and for the rest of your life, but who are you truly hurting with your hate? It is not Murray since he either don't know or don't really care how you feel about him as long as he get off. Forgiveness is never for the sake for the person you are forgiven. It is for your own sake and peace.

I just want you to be aware that nothing will come from your hate. Unless one learn to let go of it, even if Murray is sentence to death or die in prison, you will never be satisfies because nothing is ever enough to appease hate and anger. By given so much of your energy towards Murray, you are given him control over your life and in that way he has already won.

However like I said to begin, I will not tell anyone here how to feel. I just hope all us can find peace one day, no matter what Murray's fate hold.
 
MicHil said:
why would he needed to be told not to leave in the first place?
isn't that common sense. (intentionally or not) Mike napped in the hands of Murray's.
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Original reports said he spoke with the family briefly and then he left.

Is it common sense to stand around and wait for the police without your lawyer present? Not to me it isn't.
 
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