Kai Chase - odd testimony

[bouee]

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As for Prince, I suspect Murray called for him because he would be a good (unintentional) ally to have should the day come when people question his actions regarding June 25, 2009. Prince would be important in that he is the deceased's son, therefore he is considered to be "close" to the deceased, and if Prince said he saw Murray doing something to help Michael (Prince would have no way of determining whether Murray's actions were useful/effective/appropriate), his testimony would carry more weight than a contradicting testimony from another party, even if the latter were to be more informed on medical affairs.

Thus, the importance of Prince.

Thanks for this. That could explain why she "didn't remember" if Prince went upstairs with Murray. I found that very odd since the stairway is right in front of the kitchen. Maybe she was trying to avoid Prince being called to testify.

 

[xthunderx2]

It drove me NUTS when the lawyer was questioning her and he just didn't come right out and ask her WHY, of the 3 things that Murray told her to do, she ONLY did ONE of them (get Prince). She kept saying that she just "did what she was asked".......not true, she did only ONE of the things she was asked to do.

Why didn't he just ask her WHY, of the 3 things that Murray frantically told her to do (get help, get security, get Prince), she ONLY did ONE of those 3 things (got Prince)!!!?????

Why on earth would she have ONLY just "gotten Prince" but then went back to preparing lunch? If ANY human being in a case like this, sensed there was some kind of emergency going on (particularly when it was a DOCTOR who was making such a request), wouldn't you run and get security? Sure, maybe she wasn't able to phone them but she could have left the house and ran to where security was located, could she not have? The whole thing is fishy to me. Is she somehow on the side of Murray?

I understand exactly what you are saying,,,,that drove me NUTS too... ... She doesnt go get another ADULT that can possibly help in the situation.she gets a 12 year old boy. OK I will say this..she had no clue what was going on in the room.BUT it is obvious that she could tell by Murray's energy that it was NO SMALL thing. And for her to keep saying that "I did what I was told" and then went back to my work?? That to me is a bunch of bs,,,,noway if that type of commotion was going on in front of any of us would we go back to .."baking our cookies" and "fixing lunch". I mean in NOWAY do I hold her responsible for what happened to Michael...I mean jeez...she didn't give him propofol...I just wish she would be more truthful with her answers..I do hope that she is recalled so that they can clear up some of this stuff.

 

[Aquarius]

THANK YOU!!! You beat me to the punch on that one, because in an obvious emergency situation, you throw protocol out of the window and act immediately! Also, you don't send a CHILD into a chaotic situation where you see the DOCTOR freaking out. You send an ADULT up there and get the children out of the way (the nanny was there, other household staff were there and they could've distracted the children by taking them to another room). Those poor babies didn't need to be traumatized like that, seeing their father frantically being worked on, a catheter condom attached to him and IV bags and sh*t! I'm sorry, but I had to agree with the defense attorney questioning her common sense (or lack thereof) in that situation. She irked me to the nth degree as well as her "I was just following orders" response. Wow...... *disgusted*

No matter what Kai had done, it was too late for Michael. But her reaction is kind of strange. She sees Conrad nervous telling her to "get help, get Prince, get security" but because Prince is closer she calls Prince. Knowing that Conrad was a doctor and she had claimed she had seen him carried down oxygen tanks on some mornings. Didn't she thought that something was seriously wrong and you don't need to think that much to know that Prince was only a child. But anyway, she gets Prince and goes back to her business, how about the dr. other two requests "get help, get security" Maybe she was nervous too, but the thing about boundaries is just nosense. I know Conrad didn't care for Michael as a person, but Kai knew Michael was in his care and if the doc was nervous and calling for help then you know the doctor needs help for his patient.

 

[Justthefacts]

It is real easy to say what you would have done and what someone should have done. None of us were there so it is very unfair for anyone one to say what she should have done. For all Kai knew Michael could have sent him downstairs and so get my son go get security she had no idea what he was up there doing. How could she go back to work what else could she have done? Clearly she did not stay working for very long. Goodness

 

[chanel05]

It is real easy to say what you would have done and what someone should have done. None of us were there so it is very unfair for anyone one to say what she should have done. For all Kai knew Michael could have sent him downstairs and so get my son go get security she had no idea what he was up there doing. How could she go back to work what else could she have done? Clearly she did not stay working for very long. Goodness

I agree it is so easy to point fingers when we all know what we know now, but we cant blame her for what she should have done. Also lets not forget that Kai isnt allowed upstairs, and the bodyguards have to have permission to come inside. So its easy to say go get the guards but she doesnt have that authority.
Also Muarry shouldnt have even left MJs bedside. He should have called 911 1st, then called Michael Amir and told him to send the body guards to come upstairs. Thats just my take

 

[Autumn II]

It is real easy to say what you would have done and what someone should have done. None of us were there so it is very unfair for anyone one to say what she should have done. For all Kai knew Michael could have sent him downstairs and so get my son go get security she had no idea what he was up there doing. How could she go back to work what else could she have done? Clearly she did not stay working for very long. Goodness

What else could she have done? She could have done the other two parts of Murray's request of her? Get help? Get security?

I thought her testimony served its purpose, in humanizing Michael, in his relationship with his children, and in his choices for healthy foods for himself and his children. The rest of her testimony isn't very important in the trial, I wouldn't expect? To me, those seem to be "character issues," not problems with the testimony.

 

[ms fairy]

Mj already said Kai was in on the murder conspiracy. Plus the first Chef who quit right away already stressed it.

 

[Severus Snape]

^Don't start with any of those conspiracy theories in here. That should be discussed in "the controversy" section of this forum, if I am correct. This thread functions under the presumption that Murray, and no one but Murray, was responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.

It is real easy to say what you would have done and what someone should have done.

I agree with you, but I would like to add the following:

The only people who really can be held to concrete standards of conduct in emergency situations are:

-Doctors/Medics/EMS
-Firefighters
-Policemen/Law Enforcement

This is because these people receive extensive training in dealing with emergency situations, whether the emergencies in question are medical or otherwise (with obvious discrepancies in ability to deal with each--i.e. doctors are better suited to deal with medical emergencies, policemen and firemen with non-medical). However, the fact still remains that these people are not average civilians, and thus have a strict standard of conduct to adhere to.

Kai Chase, not being any of the above, cannot be held to a strict standard of emergency response conduct.

Conrad Murray, however, can be held to such standards of conduct in emergency response because he is a doctor. Yet, at every chance he got to apply himself to the situation in appropriate/constructive manners, he repeatedly chose to consciously deviate from the accepted protocol of emergency response (in doctors' case, it would be to call 911/paramedics if the emergency reaches a level which is beyond their expertise [and this certainly qualified as such] and to NEVER, under any circumstances, abandon the person in state of emergency--ESPECIALLY if the person in question is unconscious/not exhibiting signs of life).

I find it outstanding that non-medic civilians (Chase being among them) had more sense than the doctor in the house, and conducted themselves according to proper emergency response procedure despite not being required by their profession to do so (sometimes, not helping/getting the Hell out of the way is the best you can do to help, especially if your medical knowledge is nil, as I suspect is the case with Chase).

 

[*~MJLovesMJ~*]

It does seem odd that when Dr. Murray was frantically calling for her to get Prince and Paris that she would go back to her routine immediately after.

 

[Justthefacts]

What else could she have done? She could have done the other two parts of Murray's request of her? Get help? Get security?
I thought her testimony served its purpose, in humanizing Michael, in his relationship with his children, and in his choices for healthy foods for himself and his children. The rest of her testimony isn't very important in the trial, I wouldn't expect? To me, those seem to be "character issues," not problems with the testimony.

It does not matter who got security she saw Prince he got security you tell me what difference would have made if she would have gotten security?

 

[community]

Who would go back to work in this case?!?!?!? Are these people normal? Nobody goes back to work, even under less serious circumstances.

 

[Justthefacts]

Did she know what was going on upstairs? No I love how some of you go out of your way to blame this lady for something just because

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Went bcvk to work prob wasnt the best use of words. so she stands in the kichen and within a minute or 2 alberto comes in.there was nothing to be done until the next stsge developed as she wasnt aware what the problem was as murray didnt feel like telling anyone!

 

[*~MJLovesMJ~*]

This is what it sounds like. Still though, if Murray was frantic, one would think that you'd want to check-out the situation. Words can be taken out of context though... probably meant as a figure of speech.

 

[lemon662]

Did she know what was going on upstairs? No I love how some of you go out of your way to blame this lady for something just because

I don't think that anyone is "blaming" her because I think we know well enough by now that at the point Murray came down the stairs, MJ was already well past gone (sadly).......but I think that people are commenting on it being rather strange that she reportedly saw the very frantic personal doctor of MJ, he asked her to get help/security/Prince......yet she ONLY just got Prince and for "whatever reason" (and that I think is what so many find strange) decided to just completely disregard the request of a frantic doctor, to get help and security............and particularly her not explaining WHY she chose to completely disregard the request to get help/security............but states she basically just toodled on along and continued to make lunch. I would think that MOST PEOPLE in such a situation would get a real disconcerting sense that something really wrong or bad was going on and that if a doctor is frantic and asking for help/security, that something is very serious...........and they'd go get help/security.

 

[Autumn II]

I don't think that anyone is "blaming" her because I think we know well enough by now that at the point Murray came down the stairs, MJ was already well past gone (sadly).......but I think that people are commenting on it being rather strange that she reportedly saw the very frantic personal doctor of MJ, he asked her to get help/security/Prince......yet she ONLY just got Prince and for "whatever reason" (and that I think is what so many find strange) decided to just completely disregard the request of a frantic doctor, to get help and security............and particularly her not explaining WHY she chose to completely disregard the request to get help/security............but states she basically just toodled on along and continued to make lunch. I would think that MOST PEOPLE in such a situation would get a real disconcerting sense that something really wrong or bad was going on and that if a doctor is frantic and asking for help/security, that something is very serious...........and they'd go get help/security.

^^ Right. Agree.

There are really two facets here. One is the usefulness of her testimony in court, and the other is impressions of her character. I do think her testimony was useful, in depicting Michael as a HUMAN BEING, who loved and cared for his children, and who obviously had some concern for their health/nutrition, and for his. So in that, she did a good job testifying.

Second facet is how she actually behaved in what clearly was an emergency situation. Murray was YELLING from the stairs, and while she didn't know exactly what was going on, she could assume that it was a health crisis Michael was having! I know not everyone would agree, and that's ok, but I found her behavior shocking, from a HUMAN standpoint. I KNOW. I was once in an extreme emergency situation. . violence in the workplace, with many casualties. People behaved in different ways, but there was ONE person -- a colleague -- whose behavior seemed so inappropriate to me, that I crossed her off my "want to know her better" list. She seemed UNSAFE to me, then, unable to react/think clearly to something unanticipated. I wouldn't, and didn't, trust her, in the future. In the aftermath, while others were comforting people, trying to help, this person "returned to her work," and began compulsively CLEANING, and organizing files and papers (with things that didn't need to be cleaned/organized). While I understand her behavior as trying to take back control of chaos, I do not RESPECT her behavior. And, I feel the same about Kai Chase. Doesn't matter. I will never meet her, don't want to know her. In court, she did fine, and that's what matters here.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

It drove me NUTS when the lawyer was questioning her and he just didn't come right out and ask her WHY, of the 3 things that Murray told her to do, she ONLY did ONE of them (get Prince). She kept saying that she just "did what she was asked".......not true, she did only ONE of the things she was asked to do.

Kai was only given 2 options - get help, and was then given two alternatives -either security or prince. There seemed to be a v strict rule about privacy regarding going upstairs, only the dr and children could go up. Note alberto had to ring MAmir to confirm he was actually allowed to go upstairs. So prince was a good and fast choice. We have hindsight that mj was dying/dead upstairs, Kai had absolutely no idea as to the severity of the situation, it was just a normal day and as far as she knew lunch was going to be at 12.30.

I really hope that the jury aren't going to be spending the same amount of time on this as we have here - 6 pages (and i'm adding to it lol!). I agree with Severus snape, the whole period between 12.05 and 12.22 was a mass of confusion and missed phone calls and different characters being brought into this affair, when the whole thing could have been solved at 12.05 by murray phoning 911. THAT must be the issue - we're just falling into the defence trap to think otherwise imo.

 

[Autumn II]

Kai was only given 2 options - get help, and was then given two alternatives -either security or prince. There seemed to be a v strict rule about privacy regarding going upstairs, only the dr and children could go up. Note alberto had to ring MAmir to confirm he was actually allowed to go upstairs. So prince was a good and fast choice. We have hindsight that mj was dying/dead upstairs, Kai had absolutely no idea as to the severity of the situation, it was just a normal day and as far as she knew lunch was going to be at 12.30.

I really hope that the jury aren't going to be spending the same amount of time on this as we have here - 6 pages (and i'm adding to it lol!). I agree with Severus snape, the whole period between 12.05 and 12.22 was a mass of confusion and missed phone calls and different characters being brought into this affair, when the whole thing could have been solved at 12.05 by murray phoning 911. THAT must be the issue - we're just falling into the defence trap to think otherwise imo.

I really doubt that her behavior in the aftermath of Murray's yelling on the stairs will have any bearing on the jury's discussion of the case, at all. Her role was as a "character witness" for Michael, to humanize him, and also to put in place a piece of the timeline, i.e. WHEN Murray was yelling on the stairs. I can't imagine that the rest of her behavior will have any affect on jury deliberations, at all. She was a "marginal" witness, setting the stage about Michael's homelife, and as a piece of the timeline puzzle, and that's really ALL.

 

[*~MJLovesMJ~*]

I don't think that anyone is "blaming" her because I think we know well enough by now that at the point Murray came down the stairs, MJ was already well past gone (sadly).......but I think that people are commenting on it being rather strange that she reportedly saw the very frantic personal doctor of MJ, he asked her to get help/security/Prince......yet she ONLY just got Prince and for "whatever reason" (and that I think is what so many find strange) decided to just completely disregard the request of a frantic doctor, to get help and security............and particularly her not explaining WHY she chose to completely disregard the request to get help/security............but states she basically just toodled on along and continued to make lunch. I would think that MOST PEOPLE in such a situation would get a real disconcerting sense that something really wrong or bad was going on and that if a doctor is frantic and asking for help/security, that something is very serious...........and they'd go get help/security.

Exactly, what most of us are trying to say.

 

[Damelon]

Kai was only given 2 options - get help, and was then given two alternatives -either security or prince. There seemed to be a v strict rule about privacy regarding going upstairs, only the dr and children could go up. Note alberto had to ring MAmir to confirm he was actually allowed to go upstairs. So prince was a good and fast choice. We have hindsight that mj was dying/dead upstairs, Kai had absolutely no idea as to the severity of the situation, it was just a normal day and as far as she knew lunch was going to be at 12.30.

I really hope that the jury aren't going to be spending the same amount of time on this as we have here - 6 pages (and i'm adding to it lol!). I agree with Severus snape, the whole period between 12.05 and 12.22 was a mass of confusion and missed phone calls and different characters being brought into this affair, when the whole thing could have been solved at 12.05 by murray phoning 911. THAT must be the issue - we're just falling into the defence trap to think otherwise imo.

True. It's easy to judge people with hindsight. I understand that people here are angry about everything that transpired that fateful morning, and feel powerless. As none of us were there how can you truly make a fair judgment? I'd say reserve your wrath for the real culprit(s).