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When i saw the title to this thread karen faye is true friend i spat out my drink and nearly choked to death!!! This is a joke, she was not a true friend she was a make up artist end off! I added her as a friend on facebook purley to see what tripe she had written i was shocked to see all her little groupies hanging off her every word :bugeyed!

I love how she does not want her comments to be posted on these forums and i think to be honest we all know why! Because she is talking complete and utter *beep*!

If i was in her position close enough to see what was going on with Michael as a true friend i would have done something about it. Sending E mails to the fans who were concerned for Michaels health saying keep it hush is all i really need to show me she was not a true friend! You would act on those concerns you would do something about it! I remember she said It would not have been fair on Michaels children if it had come out in the press that Michael was not coping, im sure they would rather see that headline then the ones they had to endure on June 25th. I am not saying Michael was an addict but surley if this was the case that can be helped the children would rather have there father hear recovering then not hear at all!

Regarding the book i asked her about this and she said "Its called sarcasm" Nice thanks for that!

What i am trying to say is no she was not a true friend and can someone warn me next time they post a thread like this so i am not eating or drinking first!
 
Wow, I just don't understand why every people who knew Michael are always considered 'not true friend'...

Karen seems to be someone good. Damn she's been working for Michael for 30 years! Of course she was on 'AEG payroll'... she's working for Michael!!!
Of course she hang with celebrities, she works for them, she's a makeup artist for celebrities!!! You think she's gonna do what after Michael'd death, get a monthly check from the government instead of continue working for others??

And when people judge her because she's suppose to write a book about Michael... hey, people here are asking the fans who met him to share their stories so hey can have a glimpse of his life.. and you judge someone who shared 30 years with the man because she wants to share it with people??? Just because she'll get money from it? Of course time is money, it takes time to write a book and this time has to be paid somehow..

I'm tired of people accusing everybody who makes a dollar from something concerning Michael.. Weren't you mad at Michael when he was selling himself? When he put up concerts to make money, when he sold his belongings to get some dollars, and back in time when he himself contacted tabloids so they talk about him???

Michael hired 2 mans to take care of his estate, it's their job to make money out of what Michael has done in his life, Michael chose them to do this job. Karen Faye was working for Michael, and she's been doing that for a loooong time now, and I truly believe she's someone good and cared for Michael, even if she didn't have to care, she's an employee, do you have an obligation to care for your employer as a person because you work for them? No, but I think she did, they were friends, and I'm sure she misses him, even if he was, actually, just his boss.

Said.
 
Carinnemjj? Guess you haven't read the whole thread? The problem is FACTUAL. Follower fans expressed fear for Michael's health and life, and Karen told them to be QUIET and not pursue it. She shut them down. If they had pursued it, Michael might be alive today. Karen has not apologized for that. I think she should. This is not based on "impressions" or hunches. I've seen the email exchange, when she shut down the fans. Nothing else really matters, in the end.
 
Victoria83 said:
Carinnemjj? Guess you haven't read the whole thread? The problem is FACTUAL. Follower fans expressed fear for Michael's health and life, and Karen told them to be QUIET and not pursue it. She shut them down. If they had pursued it, Michael might be alive today.
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Then they just had to not do what Karen told them to do if they really wanted to do something for Michael? it's a free world, if they tought she was wrong, they just had to do it by themselves.. no??
And yes I've read the whole thread... come on.
 
Carinemjj said:
Then they just had to not do what Karen told them to do if they really wanted to do something for Michael? it's a free world, if they tought she was wrong, they just had to do it by themselves.. no??
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That is not the point. This is a "Karen Faye" thread about "Was she a 'true friend?'" I think it's pretty clear by now that she was not. She was employed by AEG. If the shows had been cancelled, she would have lost income. She has a message on Youtube. It was LATE. What if she'd put out a message of concern BEFORE he died? Might have made a difference? We'll never know, now. Michael is gone. . . .

There are pivotal moments in a life where people simply should step up because it's the RIGHT thing to do. I believe she failed Michael, in the end, and her best bet now is to be very, very quiet. She is part of Michael's legacy of "true" and NOT "true" friends. She does not come out on the positive side of that, regardless of a book she is or is not writing, or a youtube message, or anything else. Michael needed help. She could have supported the fans. She did the opposite. It is documented (those emails) that she did the opposite. There really is no argument that can counteract that. None. This is really not all that complex?
 
Michael asked Karen back. That speaks volumes. Michael could have had any make-artist he wanted BUT he chose her!
 
Carinemjj said:
Wow, I just don't understand why every people who knew Michael are always considered 'not true friend'...

Karen seems to be someone good. Damn she's been working for Michael for 30 years! Of course she was on 'AEG payroll'... she's working for Michael!!!
Of course she hang with celebrities, she works for them, she's a makeup artist for celebrities!!! You think she's gonna do what after Michael'd death, get a monthly check from the government instead of continue working for others??

And when people judge her because she's suppose to write a book about Michael... hey, people here are asking the fans who met him to share their stories so hey can have a glimpse of his life.. and you judge someone who shared 30 years with the man because she wants to share it with people??? Just because she'll get money from it? Of course time is money, it takes time to write a book and this time has to be paid somehow..

I'm tired of people accusing everybody who makes a dollar from something concerning Michael.. Weren't you mad at Michael when he was selling himself? When he put up concerts to make money, when he sold his belongings to get some dollars, and back in time when he himself contacted tabloids so they talk about him???

Michael hired 2 mans to take care of his estate, it's their job to make money out of what Michael has done in his life, Michael chose them to do this job. Karen Faye was working for Michael, and she's been doing that for a loooong time now, and I truly believe she's someone good and cared for Michael, even if she didn't have to care, she's an employee, do you have an obligation to care for your employer as a person because you work for them? No, but I think she did, they were friends, and I'm sure she misses him, even if he was, actually, just his boss.

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A true friend, confidant would NEVER share, self promote their so called friendship for all the world to see...

True friends are trustworthy, and loyal, and would NOT be interested in the publicity, and the 15 minutes of fame that would derive from that friendship.

There is an old, but very true saying in the Cosmotology world "Only your hairdresser knows"...Therefore, regardless of her intentions,motives, being a licensed hair stylist, color tech, make-up artist myself since 1980...

It is not only unethical, but morally wrong, and professional suicide to go down in HIStory as a human being (Cosmotologist) that CANNOT be trusted..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
 
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Victoria83 said:
That is not the point. This is a "Karen Faye" thread about "Was she a 'true friend?'" I think it's pretty clear by now that she was not. She was employed by AEG. If the shows had been cancelled, she would have lost income.

There are pivotal moments in a life where people simply should step up becuase it's the RIGHT thing to do. I believe she failed Michael, in the end, and her best bet now is to be very, very quiet. She is part of Michael's legacy of "true" and NOT "true" friends. She does not come out on the positive side of that, regardless of a book she is or is not writing, or a youtube message, or anything else. Michael needed help. She could have supported the fans. She did the opposite. It is documented (those emails) that she did the opposite? There really is no argument that can counteract that. None. This is really not all that complex?
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'There are pivotal moments in life where people simply should step up because it's the RIGHT thing to do' exactly so if people were so concerned they would have done what they wanted to do and not 'hushed up' like KF supposedly told them to.

You can't have one rule for her and another for others.
 
chantille said:
Michael asked Karen back. That speaks volumes. Michael could have had any make-artist he wanted BUT he chose her!
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Read the whole thread. He fired her in 2005, for good reason. The reason she came back is because the makeup artist would not get PAID until the shows began. She was the only one who would accept that situation/would work with Michael.

It does not "speak volumes." She let him down when he needed help the most, and that's all that really matters.
 
chantille said:
'There are pivotal moments in life where people simply should step up because it's the RIGHT thing to do' exactly so if people were so concerned they would have done what they wanted to do and not 'hushed up' like KF supposedly told them to.

You can't have one rule for her and another for others.
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This is a thread about whether or not Karen was a "true friend." Evidence shows that she was NOT.
 
chantille said:
'There are pivotal moments in life where people simply should step up because it's the RIGHT thing to do' exactly so if people were so concerned they would have done what they wanted to do and not 'hushed up' like KF supposedly told them to.

You can't have one rule for her and another for others.
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Its not supposedly told them she DID tell them to be quiet!

Im sorry but if she was such a true friends she would have wanted all the help she could get to get Michael out of this situation! End off!

Also lets not slate those fans who tried to help Michael they feel awful enough as it is without people saying they should have done more!
 
One more thing. If any of you here are "friends" of Karen's, and are thinking that this thread is making her situation and "image" any better? it's not. Quite the opposite, as all the truth comes out. So again, my sincere advice to her, and to her friends, would be to be very, very quiet now. Her own "legacy" is not looking too good at the moment.

No one can really excuse her shutting down the fans. Now can they?

I am in total support of those fans. They DID try. They tried at the very source. They gave Michael letters expressing their concern. They did the very best they could, and should be commended for trying. The fans loved Michael the most, in the end.
 
Draliongirl said:
She really loved Michael, i wont judge her, i guess she thought Michael was bad, but never thought he was about to die, and to me Michael died cause of that anesthesia not because he was skinny, Michael was very skinny yes, but he was never fat or anything, he was very thin in the 80's, i dont know, she was at the funeral, her face was just hearbreking, i mean i dont even know what to say anymore:(
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Everyone knows he died of acute propofol intoxification. No one said he died because he was skinny. Being skinny didn't cause his death. Fans' problem was his friends saw his problem but did not make an effort to help!
 
lilsusie said:
Everyone knows he died of acute propofol intoxification. No one said he died because he was skinny. Being skinny didn't cause his death. Fans' problem was his friends saw his problem but did not make an effort to help!
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Actually, you need to read some threads here in the Investigative Unit, because it's entirely possible that "being skinny" is directly related to his death. Read the thread about Ephedra, that was found in his system? It's a weight-loss drug. He could have been given that without his knowing.

The other important point is, that if he was scary-skinny and continuing to lose weight, surely AEG knew that, and so did Karen Faye. If he could not have physically withstood the stress of the concerts, but AEG continued to say he was "just fine," then they must have had ulterior motives, in my opinion and the opinions of others in this forum. Maybe AEG NEVER expected that he could do the concerts? They stood to make more money with him dead than alive. The movie. Product sales. Insurance?

This is not as simple as a doctor doing something "accidental . . "
 
What if Michael himself told them to say 'he's fine' and what if Michael himself didn't want to hear a word about the skinny thing or he would fire everyone?
What if Michael really didn't pay bills for MJJ Source?

I added KF on Facebook yesterday, by curiosity, for now all I can comment on her FB page is that the comment she made on the VMA was great and true.
 
I’ve been just reading the forum and not commenting, but this is the first thread I really felt I wanted to comment on. This thread is really disturbing to me on so many levels. Yes, I read Karen’s Facebook, but no I’m not a “fan.”

But I see this thread as possibly one that could hurt her career-wise and I think it’s very wrong. Not to mention the emotional pain reading this thread could cause her.

I understand there is proof that she received notes and follower fans spoke to her about MJ’s health. I also realize there is proof from her emails that she told the follower fans to be quiet about it. But where is the proof that her telling the fans to be quiet was because she wanted to be paid and go on tour and to heck with MJ’s health? To me, this is just an assumption. I’m not saying it’s true or not. There could be many reasons. Perhaps, with MJ’s state of mind (stress, etc.) something else was in the works to help him or monitor him and it was thought that bringing this out to the media could jeopardize MJ and his health even more. Perhaps during his last few days there were signs that his spirits were picking up, he was getting excited and .. who knows? The fact is that we DO NOT know what was going on in Karen’s mind regarding this. To say that she was not a loyal friend because of this is just wrong. To say that she was out for just the money is wrong.

Where did the information come from that Karen was hired because she was the only one that would take the job without being paid until the show started? I’m just asking. I’m trying to understand all of this. Did MJ tell someone this? Did he tell someone “she was the only one that would take the job without pay right now?” Did Karen tell someone this? Again, I’m not saying I believe this or don’t believe this – I’m just trying to figure out where this information came from to be able to make a judgment on this because this is some serious blame we are placing on someone.

Yes, I read the information in this thread and see the note and her email regarding MJJSource. I’m really on the fence with this. The trial period was a heck of a screwed up time. I’m sure it was full of turmoil, misinformation and a lot of stress. I can’t judge her on this one incident or claim she was doing this for money because of her past history with MJ.

If Karen really needed the money, she’s had 4 years to come out to the media. 4 years of not working with MJ. 4 years of apparently sitting there having been “fired” by MJ. But yet, she never said one negative word about MJ. In fact, other than the situation with MJJSource, I can’t find one situation in 30 years where she has badmouthed MJ. If I’m wrong, point me to the information because I have never seen anything.

Like I said, I just found this thread to be really hard to read. It’s almost as if it’s accusing Karen of not being a loyal friend to MJ for 30 years and putting a lot of the blame of his death on her... and yet, she’s never used her inside information to make any money – one of the few who have not. If she was in this for the money, it’s my guess that she would have been in financial need once being “fired” after the trial. She didn’t come out and say anything. Or did she?
 
very true, michelecatherine!

from the interviews i saw with her
i think she is a good person.
and usually i can smell fake people a mile away :D
 
Victoria83 said:
Actually, you need to read some threads here in the Investigative Unit, because it's entirely possible that "being skinny" is directly related to his death. Read the thread about Ephedra, that was found in his system? It's a weight-loss drug. He could have been given that without his knowing.

The other important point is, that if he was scary-skinny and continuing to lose weight, surely AEG knew that, and so did Karen Faye. If he could not have physically withstood the stress of the concerts, but AEG continued to say he was "just fine," then they must have had ulterior motives, in my opinion and the opinions of others in this forum. Maybe AEG NEVER expected that he could do the concerts? They stood to make more money with him dead than alive. The movie. Product sales. Insurance?

This is not as simple as a doctor doing something "accidental . . "
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I didn't know about the weight-loss drug!!!! Why would the doctor give him that drug????????
@ the bold part, I posted the same thing before. It was exactly what I've been trying to say in my posts way back when the investigative unit just out. Things surely isn't as simple as it seems. But the media sure know how to make everything seems like MJ's fault by pushing the drug addict story. and now the This is it trailer is out, everyone would have seen how skinny he was and probably thinking it was his own weight that's killing him. I don't think they would think of the bigger picture. But will justice prevail in his case if it involved big corporations? :(
 
When I started this thread I didn't know that it is gonna be such a big deal! Was she a good friend or she was not it doesn't matter anymore cuz everybody has its own point of view. I cannot verify from this thread anything. Everybody has a different opinion. The future will tell. Now it is the whole mess and complete fiction.
 
Asedora said:
When I started this thread I didn't know that it is gonna be such a big deal! Was she a good friend or she was not it doesn't matter anymore cuz everybody has its own point of view. I cannot verify from this thread anything. Everybody has a different opinion. The future will tell. Now it is the whole mess and complete fiction.
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There are many that either have had a professional, a personal, or have been acquaint with the subject matter posted in this thread...

Some of these posts are of opinion, many are from experience.

Therefore, the cogent statements posted in this thread are indeed of factual merit.

From the Masters; Actions of the past, the present, really do speak louder than any amount of words..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
 
Unity said:
To be honest, I am not that keen on karen faye as posted above she was fired by MJ, so she must have done something serious for him to do that. I get the feeling from her that she is loving all the attention from Michael's fan. I hope i'm wrong though.
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She was fired??? She was let go when Michael left the states... why would she go and live with him in Bahrein?? She's got her own life, which is in the states! And when he came back he hired her again! If the "firing" would have been so serious I doubt he would have hired her back!

Victoria83 said:
Why MJJSource.com Is Offline

Karen Faye, longtime friend and makeup artist for Michael Jackson, who ran the now defunct MJJSource.com contacted a fan about why the site has been shut down. “Yes Carla, I know all about it,” Faye told the e-mailer who posted the response at MJNI.com before the moderator removed it. “We have been patiently waiting Raymone Bain to make a statement about it for more than a week. MJJsource is down because we have had no cooperation with Michael and his present team. Without their complete support, we can not continue with the site. Please refer any questions to [e-mail redacted], she is Michael’s official spokesperson. I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do. I personally am very hurt and sad about it, because we have worked very hard to do this for the fans. I do not want to stop talking to my friends….so you can find me here. Love, Karen”
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Geez! And what is so wrong about that statement?? I really fail to see where is the problem.. the site went offline and she explained why... end of story! Is it so hard to believe that during the trial Michael was interested in the site, because it was a way to get his side out, e.g. court transcripts and after he was vindicated he simply wasn't interested anymore and just wanted to get away?!

Victoria83 said:
Read the whole thread. He fired her in 2005, for good reason. The reason she came back is because the makeup artist would not get PAID until the shows began. She was the only one who would accept that situation/would work with Michael.

It does not "speak volumes." She let him down when he needed help the most, and that's all that really matters.
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Sorry, but that is BS! Michael got AEG to pay 150,000 dollars a month to a personal doctor... don't you think he would have gotten them to hire him a personal make up artist, who only costs a fraction of that, before the shows were supposed start??

All I see here is fans throwing blame at every direction they can find... it kinda starts getting ridiculous! If Michael doesn't see that he has a problem, there is no one that could have really helped him, unless you get a judge to sign a paper to put him into a hospital! And like people pointed out, he didn't die because he was skinny, he died because of Propofol! And what if she wouldn't have told fans to "Shh"... what would they have done then?? Would they have went to media to tell them that Michael won't be able to do these shows and thus hurt him even more???

I guess some people just need to throw blame at others to make themselves feel better and to get over the whole tragedy!
 
Closed... This isn't the Karen Faye Fan Board or the I Hate Karen Faye Board. If you have questions about Ms. Faye, go join her Facebook.
 
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