Karen Faye is a true friend of MJ?

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Whatever Karen has done or said in the past, I truly believe that she is heartbroken about Michael's death, and having said that I think that she is a loyal friend.

We all make mistakes in life. We all do and say things that with hindsight we wish we could take back. If Karen did things in the past that Michael didnt approve of, then he obviously "forgave her" or understood ~ as he requsted that she be reinstated as his make up artist on the 'This Is It' tour.'

To me this speaks volumes. It says that ater all, he trusted her, and that's good enough for me.
 
Whatever Karen has done or said in the past, I truly believe that she is heartbroken about Michael's death, and having said that I think that she is a loyal friend.

We all make mistakes in life. We all do and say things that with hindsight we wish we could take back. If Karen did things in the past that Michael didnt approve of, then he obviously "forgave her" or understood ~ as he requsted that she be reinstated as his make up artist on the 'This Is It' tour.'

To me this speaks volumes. It says that ater all, he trusted her, and that's good enough for me.

I'm going to have to leave this thread alone, now. I find this absolutely incredible!

Michael TRUSTED Karen Faye? In my opinion, he shouldn't have. I have no doubt that she's grief-stricken. Is she saying to herself, "I should have done MORE?" I hope she is.

Let's put it in the abstract. Suppose you had a dear friend, someone that you loved. You saw, yourself, that the person seemed to have failing health. Then, other friends of this person came to you and expressed concern for the person's health, and LIFE. And you told those people to be QUIET about it. Not talk about it. Not mention it. How is THAT being trustworthy??? This really happened. I've read the email exchange. Michael is dead, now. This is not rocket science.
 
Didn't someone said that she is writing a book? that accounts for her change of heart.."MONEY"
 
Because she did his hair and makeup when he went out in public, not just performing. He really DID fire her, ok?
but in Bahrain he didn`t have make up artist with him...he needed the make up to be done only for shows, not for everydays life
 
I'm going to have to leave this thread alone, now. I find this absolutely incredible!

Michael TRUSTED Karen Faye? In my opinion, he shouldn't have. I have no doubt that she's grief-stricken. Is she saying to herself, "I should have done MORE?" I hope she is.

Let's put it in the abstract. Suppose you had a dear friend, someone that you loved. You saw, yourself, that the person seemed to have failing health. Then, other friends of this person came to you and expressed concern for the person's health, and LIFE. And you told those people to be QUIET about it. Not talk about it. Not mention it. How is THAT being trustworthy??? This really happened. I've read the email exchange. Michael is dead, now. This is not rocket science.

Yes I know Victoria. perhaps she could have done more. But then again could she?? She said herself that she was up against a "Locomotive that was running out of control". They all were. I think even Michael realised this ~ the enormity of what he was committed to.
I believe that Karen said she wrote emails to 'who ever' re: her own concerns about Michael's health to reinforce the fans concerns. But in the end she was only the make up artist. Would she really have been taken seriously against a multi - million dollar outfit that was willing to risk all for this show to get on the road and for profit??? The whole senario was bigger, million times bigger than Karen Faye.

Only she knows why she told fans to "shush". I think at one point Michael did so well in the rehesals that everyone concerned truly thought that his 'health' was about to turn around and that YES ~ they were gonna pull this show off after all. So maybe she thought it was in his best interest that 'health' problems were left alone for that moment, hence the "shush".

However the totally unexpected happened. No one was prepared for what happened as and when it did, and there must now be many people who are searching their souls and asking "What could I have done to prevent this, to help?" Karen Faye is no doubt one of them.
 
but in Bahrain he didn`t have make up artist with him...he needed the make up to be done only for shows, not for everydays life

Karen herself has said she worked with him on a daily basis, so yes, he did have her for everyday life
 
Karen herself has said she worked with him on a daily basis, so yes, he did have her for everyday life
i think this meant for appearances etc
Michael did not need a make up artist for his everyday life, when he moved to Bahrain Irelan etc he only had make up artist while in London, Japan..for appearances
 
Yes I know Victoria. perhaps she could have done more. But then again could she?? She said herself that she was up against a "Locomotive that was running out of control". They all were. I think even Michael realised this ~ the enormity of what he was committed to.
I believe that Karen said she wrote emails to 'who ever' re: her own concerns about Michael's health to reinforce the fans concerns. But in the end she was only the make up artist. Would she really have been taken seriously against a multi - million dollar outfit that was willing to risk all for this show to get on the road and for profit??? The whole senario was bigger, million times bigger than Karen Faye.

Only she knows why she told fans to "shush". I think at one point Michael did so well in the rehesals that everyone concerned truly thought that his 'health' was about to turn around and that YES ~ they were gonna pull this show off after all. So maybe she thought it was in his best interest that 'health' problems were left alone for that moment, hence the "shush".

However the totally unexpected happened. No one was prepared for what happened as and when it did, and there must now be many people who are searching their souls and asking "What could I have done to prevent this, to help?" Karen Faye is no doubt one of them.

No. (to highlighted part) Fans gave Michael letters if concern RIGHT BEFORE he died. No, it was not totally unexpected. The fans were very afraid for him, right up until the end. And then he died.

What Karen Faye did or did not do, as "just the makeup artist" we don't know for sure. What we DO know is that she tried to suppress fans showing concern. That is TRUE. I've seen the email exchange. Fans might have been able to do a lot. We don't know. Youtube messages? TV interviews? We don't KNOW, but I think that Karen was entirely wrong to silence them. ENTIRELY WRONG. Fans were concerned about Michael, and she told them to be quiet? Not acceptable.

Those follower fans were the only ones who didn't have something to gain from Michael other than his love.

K.F. and Randy pushed through MJJSource, and then tried to make it into a "for profit" site. Michael was virtually unaware of it. He was fighting for his LIFE. Karen was trying to sell CALENDARS, for cripes sake! The only reason fans didn't sue MJJSource is because they thought the non-delivery of the items was connected to Michael. She and Randy set up the site. She had this to say (about Michael), when it was taken down. HER words, below. "Promises Michael made?" I doubt he was even particularly aware of a little web-site, given that his very life was at stake. She wrote that, and then he fired her. Good for HIM. She said "they were his voice." Uhm, NO? Sound familiar? He "didn't wish to speak (On MJJSource)?" That was his right. He closed the site and K.F. got pissed. And wrote what is below:

(Oh, and I'm sure they have makeup artists in Bahrain. It's a modern country.)

http://popdirt.com/why-mjjsourcecom-is-offline/43512/

Why MJJSource.com Is Offline

Karen Faye, longtime friend and makeup artist for Michael Jackson, who ran the now defunct MJJSource.com contacted a fan about why the site has been shut down. “Yes Carla, I know all about it,” Faye told the e-mailer who posted the response at MJNI.com before the moderator removed it. “We have been patiently waiting Raymone Bain to make a statement about it for more than a week. MJJsource is down because we have had no cooperation with Michael and his present team. Without their complete support, we can not continue with the site. Please refer any questions to [e-mail redacted], she is Michael’s official spokesperson. I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do. I personally am very hurt and sad about it, because we have worked very hard to do this for the fans. I do not want to stop talking to my friends….so you can find me here. Love, Karen”
 
ok the fans wanted to goto the media or to someone about mj. she tol dthem to shut up. very good chance he'd be alive right now if they had intervened but they TRUSTED her

she talked smack about him when he let her go.

he ain't ask her back cuz she's an amazing artist. he asked her back cuz he couldn't pay her until the shows started. no other artist would work for free...speaks volumes about her 'talent'

she doesn't want people talking or quoting her cuzshe's writing a book.

she's not courageous or brave. she did NOTHING. she's talking to fans...the karen faye fan club apparently.

like her...love her....but she's not a good perosn. sure she's sad. im sure she loved mj but she loved herself more and if those shows were stopped, she'd have no job.

but she would've had her friend. oh well
 
ok the fans wanted to goto the media or to someone about mj. she tol dthem to shut up. very good chance he'd be alive right now if they had intervened but they TRUSTED her

she talked smack about him when he let her go.

he ain't ask her back cuz she's an amazing artist. he asked her back cuz he couldn't pay her until the shows started. no other artist would work for free...speaks volumes about her 'talent'

she doesn't want people talking or quoting her cuzshe's writing a book.

she's not courageous or brave. she did NOTHING. she's talking to fans...the karen faye fan club apparently.

like her...love her....but she's not a good perosn. sure she's sad. im sure she loved mj but she loved herself more and if those shows were stopped, she'd have no job.

but she would've had her friend. oh well

Exactly. Thank you. See the part in bold, above. If the shows were stopped, she wouldn't have made the MONEY. In my opinion, that's why she shut up the fans. Why else?

Some people are fun to have around, and so on. But a true friend has your back. She tried to silence the very people who were trying to help Michael, when he really, REALLY needed help.

I've seen posts on this board from people who literally would have given their lives for Michael. And Karen Faye was not willing to risk the income she would have made from TII. And then Michael died. . . .

Get it? Yet?
 
I have said this before and I'll say it again.

No one who was around Michael in the final months, weeks and days of his life should be off limits as far as being questioned by Law Officials. No One!! If for nothing elese, to rule them out of ANY wrong doing, enabling or whatever.

The conflicts we keep hearing about Karen Faye, alone should raise a red flag to anyone.
 
I have said this before and I'll say it again.

No one who was around Michael in the final months, weeks and days of his life should be off limits as far as being questioned by Law Officials. No One!! If for nothing elese, to rule them out of ANY wrong doing, enabling or whatever.

The conflicts we keep hearing about Karen Faye, alone should raise a red flag to anyone.

Thank you.
 
Also getting back on Topic:

If all those things I've seen posted from other fans about her are true, then I'd have to say: Ms Faye is a fair weather friend.

( I have seen her emails to other fans posted on forums and some of the things she said about MJ a few years back were not things you would say to a stranger(fans) about your friend). She attacked him in private behind his back, to his own fanbase, countless of times and fans come online and posted that ish, so if they didn't make all that up, my answer is, she is a fair weather friend.

And she aint the only fair weather friend in MJ's life either. The others were at the memorial and burial along with their camera time!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't know why the fans who saw MJ during his last days are angry at Karen or the This is it crew. Yeah he was very skinny, and yeah everybody saw that, but he was working hard and he was eating. Besides, he did not die of starvation. He died of acute propofol ingestion.
The only people who can be blamed for that are the people who made MJ believe that it was safe to take that medication.
That's how I see it anyway

I'm so glad you said that, Victoria, I'm so glad. I 'm have her as a friend on FB, and what i've learned She is fame hungry. She gathers all people that want to add her and she's writing a book about Michael. Surprise, surprise! Yes, she told fans to shut up when they expressed their concerns about Michael's health and well being. She was on AEG payroll, she said that herself.

We chewed her butt a couple of times on her own wall. I personally don't trust her at all. She speaks ugly things about people that surrounded Michael, particularly women . I gotta feeling that Karen was in love with Michael, only he didn't give it to her. She sighed that she didn't see him naked. LOL
She is a fake in my eyes.

Wow. Guess that kinda explains her supposed dislike for Lisa Marie. I've heard enough. Don't know the truth about her but it's too much drama for me. I think she needs to keep her opinions to herself and move on with her life and career without trying to make money or gain fame on Mike legacy.
 
i don't know much about her, except that i remember when she was being protective of Michael during the bashir interview. saying how his words got twisted a lot. ohhh i get it, that was before the trial and the MJJsource.

anyway, i wonder if she knows that despite the image she's presenting at FB that she's a very close friend to Michael, some fans don't believe so?
 
i don't know much about her, except that i remember when she was being protective of Michael during the bashir interview. saying how his words got twisted a lot. ohhh i get it, that was before the trial and the MJJsource.

anyway, i wonder if she knows that despite the image she's presenting at FB that she's a very close friend to Michael, some fans don't believe so?

I'm pretty sure she reads here, or has someone copy-and-paste for her. Good.
 
I think we cannot blame Karen in Michael death. It is just totally wrong. Karen didn’t kill Michael right?. Michael was killed by doctors and probably other groups as far as we know, but not by Karen, period. If Karen didn’t care or didn’t’ do something from our point of view, it is one thing but that way we can make a whole list of ppl who didn’t do what they had to do even being on pay roll like dr. Murray for example who even was not arrested yet. .
I really liked the msg she posted on YouTube. It is very touching and shows that this woman is very heartbreaking. I think she loved Michael, loved him just like a women. I feel really sorry for her .What she is going trough is hell. If Michael has such a big influence to ppl from the distance even in death he has it, I cannot imagine what this women could feel being very close to a genius every day, basically working with his body, touching him talking to him etc. Honestly I wouldn’t like to be on her place now even for one million dollars.
I think, I would die or be on medication for the rest of my life if I was going through it. I wouldn’t wish anybody to be at this situation. If Michael death so heartbreaking for us who never saw him, never even talked to him, how terrible could it be for her? I think for Lisa it easer then for Karen as I see it. It is hard still, but Michael was not with Lisa every day.
 
I gotta feeling that Karen was in love with Michael, only he didn't give it to her. She sighed that she didn't see him naked. LOL
She is a fake in my eyes.

If he didn't give it to her, it is even worse for her. I am very sorry for this women. To love and not get anything it is just a terrible feeling. And nothing wrong that she didn't see him naked. She was working, not having sex with him. And obviously she didn't cross this line. if she did Michael would fire her long time before. So her attitude was obviously acceptable for Michael if she worked for him so many years?
 
Exactly. Thank you. See the part in bold, above. If the shows were stopped, she wouldn't have made the MONEY. In my opinion, that's why she shut up the fans. Why else?

Some people are fun to have around, and so on. But a true friend has your back. She tried to silence the very people who were trying to help Michael, when he really, REALLY needed help.

I've seen posts on this board from people who literally would have given their lives for Michael. And Karen Faye was not willing to risk the income she would have made from TII. And then Michael died. . . .

Get it? Yet?
i don't think they do.

so then we'll go further and say frank dileo is a good man, tohme is a good man, jermaine, all of them who r gonna make money...they all rock.

let's make appreciation threads!


she not only didn't help him, she prevented those who tried to help him from doing so.

and it's funny someone brought up bashir and what she said...cuz she did the same thing two yrs later...screwed him over cuz of money. great friend, right?
 
Only his kids, fans and his mother loved him and were true. Period. I'm not saying Karen didn't care for him, but she made some judgment mistakes. In retrospect, she should have helped us the fans save him, been more proactive
 
Only his kids, fans and his mother loved him and were true. Period. I'm not saying Karen didn't care for him, but she made some judgment mistakes. In retrospect, she should have helped us the fans save him, been more proactive

Absolutely agree with this. There is really no argument here that is possible, about whether she did or did not make "Judgment mistakes." Karen could have, and should have, done more. And now she'll have to live with it. There can be pivotal times in a life when one must step up, or step off. She stepped off .. . . . . .that is documented in her email exchange with "follower fans." And that really should be the end of it.
 
I think we cannot blame Karen in Michael death. It is just totally wrong. Karen didn’t kill Michael right?. Michael was killed by doctors and probably other groups as far as we know, but not by Karen, period. If Karen didn’t care or didn’t’ do something from our point of view, it is one thing but that way we can make a whole list of ppl who didn’t do what they had to do even being on pay roll like dr. Murray for example who even was not arrested yet. .
I really liked the msg she posted on YouTube. It is very touching and shows that this woman is very heartbreaking. I think she loved Michael, loved him just like a women. I feel really sorry for her .What she is going trough is hell. If Michael has such a big influence to ppl from the distance even in death he has it, I cannot imagine what this women could feel being very close to a genius every day, basically working with his body, touching him talking to him etc. Honestly I wouldn’t like to be on her place now even for one million dollars.
I think, I would die or be on medication for the rest of my life if I was going through it. I wouldn’t wish anybody to be at this situation. If Michael death so heartbreaking for us who never saw him, never even talked to him, how terrible could it be for her? I think for Lisa it easer then for Karen as I see it. It is hard still, but Michael was not with Lisa every day.

With no distrepect intended...

Self absorbed, self promoting individuals have a total lack of loyalty, have NO regard for the values, virtues, and morels of trustworthyness...

Hence...they DO NOT have a clue what the meaning of a "true friend", "confidant" is all about..!

They crawl out of their dirty holes...prey on the innocence of Mr.Jackson's fans/admirers...see $$$ signs in their greedy little eyes...

Absolutely, Totally, Utterly Pathetic..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key...!
 
To be fair, this is the "Investigative Unit," and although no one is exempt, we are not suggesting that Karen had any active part in Michael's death. There are, however, "sins of omission," and I think she qualifies for that. Her conscience is her own to bear, but my suggestion to her would be, now, to be very, very quiet. . . . . . .

She's writing a BOOK? I seriously hope not. That would leave her even more open to critique, and it would be a critique that would craft HER legacy in Michael's life. . . . .
 
She has said she's writing a book (rather than giving press interviews)... so she can tell it how she saw it in her own words. I'd rather see her write a book than have her story printed in the tabloids.

Only his kids, fans and his mother loved him and were true. Period. I'm not saying Karen didn't care for him, but she made some judgment mistakes. In retrospect, she should have helped us the fans save him, been more proactive

This is how I see it too. I'm sure she's feeling guilty for not doing more but I doubt anyone truly believed he would die. :( At the end of the day - it wasn't his skinny frame that killed him - it was the 'doctor' that put the needle in him.
 
If there is no NEW information, I'm going to lock this thread. Anyone? It's become repetitive. So, anyone have anything NEW to add? If not, I'll close it. Or, Soso, want to do the honors?
 
She has said she's writing a book (rather than giving press interviews)... so she can tell it how she saw it in her own words. I'd rather see her write a book than have her story printed in the tabloids.



This is how I see it too. I'm sure she's feeling guilty for not doing more but I doubt anyone truly believed he would die. :( At the end of the day - it wasn't his skinny frame that killed him - it was the 'doctor' that put the needle in him.

There has been no indication that she feels guilty, at least certainly not in public. I know we'd like to believe that, but she hasn't indicated that she does feel guilty.

"No one believed he would die?" Follower fans thought so, delivered him letters expressing their fear for him. Karen, also, said she was afraid for him, but yet she shut down the fans. . . . . .

Why "his skinny frame" is relevant is because if he was that thin, then AEG KNEW he would not be able to do the concerts. Only THEY and those who were paid by AEG are saying he was in "fine shape." If they knew he'd be unable to do them, then WHY continue? For the movie? The movie stands to generate potentially MORE money than the concerts. Michael always had to GAIN weight before concerts, not lose. He lost tremendous amounts of weight during tours. For the HIStory tour, he started out at a very good weight. By the end, he was very thin.

Anything new, anyone?
 
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