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marebear said:
They could have stopped Murray from profiting from Michael's death. He has no money. Instead they chose to drop that and go after AEG who is not responsible for Michael's death. Murray is and always be but he only get 2 years for killing someone. Katherine can sue whoever but it's not about Michael but ensuring that the rest of the family is taken care of financially. It's well known that Michael took care of all of them mostly and now he isn't doing that anymore. It wasn't his job to do that anyways but he was a kind soul that helped his family. It's Katherine and the kids but if they won big Katherine would give it to the rest of the family.
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But can it be proven that if Katherine is successful in this lawsuit then the rest of the family will benefit? If not, then that's just an assumption. Which members of the family was Michael helping financially and is there any documented proof of this? Murray got four years btw.
 
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StellaJackson said:
The amount of hate towards the family here seems a little ott.

Just to say, I don't agree with this lawsuit. I don't believe that AEG are responsible. I believe sole responsibility lay with Conrad Murray. However, Katherine does have a right to file suit as she feels appropriate. I certainly don't think the children should be involved. Ultimately, no amount of money will bring Michael back.
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The only reason the children are involved because they are listed as plaintiffs by Katherine or her lawyers
 
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ivy said:
The only reason the children are involved because they are listed as plaintiffs by Katherine or her lawyers
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Which I disagree with it. They shouldn't be answering questions.
 
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I see no hate, I see people expressing their disappointment for certain members of Jackson family.
We talk about as much Jackson's (certain members) actions as we talk about other people in Michael's life.
Take Matt Fiddler thread, do you see hate there, and why is that?
Same here, we see Michael is/was treated wrong, we talk about people who wronged Michael, no matter who is in the receiving end.
 
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Well yes any feelings of negativity are fine where justified and I agree with much of what's said about the family, especially LaToya! But not all of it. There is a lot of negativity towards the Estate too. It just goes to show how passionate Michael's fans are, which is a good thing.
 
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StellaJackson said:
But the Jacksons aren't going after AEG. The plaintiffs are Katherine and Prince, Paris, Blanket. That doesn't equate to the whole family. Isn't Conrad Murray already in prison?
There are plenty of other people who have let Michael down in death, not just the family.
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The Murderer is in jail for what FOUR years, if that.

Upon his release he will be free to talk about Michael until the end of time. All for the financial gain of himself and "his instrument." That thought alone is sickening, in my opinion. MAYBE he will do an hour with Barbara Walters. Another thought that pains me.

And if you think for one second that just because Katherine Jackson's name is on that lawsuit means that she alone is behind said lawsuit, well I don't believe that. I mean, "most" of them have already spoken about it and supported it publicly and when the lawsuit was first filed, Randy took to Twitter to say "how proud he was of his family for filing the lawsuit against AEG." Adding to Jermaine's comment that the "momma bear always takes care of her cubs," or words to that effect.

Mrs. Jackson's name may be on the signature line, but in my opinion, the majority of the family supports the lawsuit, because they know any money won, will go into their pockets, to ensure that they can live large without having to work for it.
 
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Big Apple2 said:
The Murderer is in jail for what FOUR years, if that.

Upon his release he will be free to talk about Michael until the end of time. All for the financial gain of himself and "his instrument." That thought alone is sickening, in my opinion. MAYBE he will do an hour with Barbara Walters. Another thought that pains me.

And if you think for one second that just because Katherine Jackson's name is on that lawsuit means that she alone is behind said lawsuit, well I don't believe that. I mean, "most" of them have already spoken about it and supported it publicly and when the lawsuit was first filed, Randy took to Twitter to say "how proud he was of his family for filing the lawsuit against AEG." Adding to Jermaine's comment that the "momma bear always takes care of her cubs," or words to that effect.

Mrs. Jackson's name may be on the signature line, but in my opinion, the majority of the family supports the lawsuit, because they know any money won, will go into their pockets, to ensure that they can live
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That may be the case with the family members but we don't know that for sure. Conrad Murray isn't a murderer. He was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. There is no evidence to suggest he actually murdered Michael.
 
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StellaJackson said:
Which members of the family was Michael helping financially and is there any documented proof of this?
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If I recall correctly, that's part of the information being requested by AEG.

Information I'm sure the family does not want to answer, as it would end up being quite embarrassing for SOME family members.
 
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StellaJackson said:
But can it be proven that if Katherine is successful in this lawsuit then the rest of the family will benefit? If not, then that's just an assumption. Which members of the family was Michael helping financially and is there any documented proof of this? Murray got four years btw.
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I know Murray got 4 years but he probably will end up serving 2 years as people keep saying. Michael helped his mother. He owned Encino home and paying for all the bills. I remember the estate wanting Jermaine and Randy's ex and her kids to leave because they paid no rent nothing and they were paying all the bills. Joe even said Michael was supporting him. That's why he wanted an allowance from the estate too like Katherine. Katherine used to give him money that Michael gave to her. Michael supported those people.
 
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StellaJackson said:
But the Jacksons aren't going after AEG. The plaintiffs are Katherine and Prince, Paris, Blanket. That doesn't equate to the whole family. Isn't Conrad Murray already in prison?
There are plenty of other people who have let Michael down in death, not just the family.
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if they would go after Murray when they had the chance fans would be more supportive. the ONLY person who really fought for Michael aside from Tom Mez was Walgren. the family served Murray with silver plate that is waiting for him once he's out.


StellaJackson said:
There are plenty of other people who have let Michael down in death, not just the family.
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they are his FAMILY! THAT'S why fans are frustrated by their actions!
 
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I believe the jacksons and their lawyers either made that quote up for attention as no evidence of who said it is given or it came from someone like faye.the insulting wording is done for maximum effect as no one who loves mj would use that sort of terminology even if it were true. u use that wording when u want to insult someone. and if it hurts mj so be it cause its all about getting the family a pension
 
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maral said:
if they would go after Murray when they had the chance fans would be more supportive. the ONLY person who really fought for Michael aside from Tom Mez was Walgren. the family served Murray with silver plate that is waiting for him once he's out.



they are his FAMILY! THAT'S why fans are frustrated by their actions!
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exactly re the family. i expect others to betray mj. but you would expect family never to because family is family. but through all the years the family have been shown to be one of the worst sets of ppl interms of using mj and betraying him. thats why he spent his adult life attaching himself to random families looking for the love and loyalty he never got from his own
 
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Randys and jermains kids lived at hayvernhurst at no cost to either father as shown in court docs. do we include mj being oressured into the victory tour. his name been used to steal money off the koreans the jackson family honours etc

Letting murray become a millionaire when he comes out doesnt need to be mentioned again so i wont as its beyond words. i wonder if oprah has him signed up already

katherine gets her allowance which is small compaired to what she got before and when she dies thats it. there will be nothing passed on so shes doing what shes always done. protecting the family as a whole rather than the individual and getting money off AEG will insure her other kids have money when shes gone and if that means throwing mj under a bus and letting murray prosper so be it. im sure they will defend such actions by blaming mj for not leaving them money. as its always someone elses fault
 
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ivy said:
Update : April 17 , 2012


The document reads

"The plaintiffs (Katherine and PPB) did not, at the time of filling of the complaint nor currently possess the full body of evidence of this misconduct. Rather, plaintiffs suspected (correctly) that this evidence would emerge in discovery and indeed it has."
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So this whole aeg lawsuit has just been one giant fishing exercise? From what some of the jacksons have been saying these past couple of years they knew something was badly wrong and now we learn they had no evidence at all. This lawsuit is such a waste of space - unless they've got an aeg email to murray telling him to give mj propofol and not to bother monitoring him, the jacksons can just forget it. Asking a doc to make sure his patient gets to rehearsals doesn't normally result in death. I agree with last tear, this lawsuit if it goes to trial will be horrible for mj's memory and the media will be all over it. The family really should pull out. I actually feel really uneasy about aeg and how they pressured mj, i'm sure they treated him like a commodity, but then again so did his family, so noone's hands are clean here.
 
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Katherine allowing the Murray restitution to slide was stupid.. If I could've I would've made sure Murray never opened his mouth again regarding MJ considering that mockumentary he put out. That mockumentary alone should've made Katherine angry enough to make sure that clown never had another patient again in life. But nope she let it slide and her youngest son goes to Twitter claiming 'the siblings knew nothing about it and they were not to blame':beee:. I am sorry but this is why I no longer support any of them..
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
So this whole aeg lawsuit has just been one giant fishing exercise? From what some of the jacksons have been saying these past couple of years they knew something was badly wrong and now we learn they had no evidence at all. This lawsuit is such a waste of space - unless they've got an aeg email to murray telling him to give mj propofol and not to bother monitoring him, the jacksons can just forget it. Asking a doc to make sure his patient gets to rehearsals doesn't normally result in death. I agree with last tear, this lawsuit if it goes to trial will be horrible for mj's memory and the media will be all over it. The family really should pull out. I actually feel really uneasy about aeg and how they pressured mj, i'm sure they treated him like a commodity, but then again so did his family, so noone's hands are clean here.
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agree. that quote reminds me of sneddons motions where he would say" we know theres more victims out there we just cant find them" they filed the case and are just looking for evidence as they go along.

part of me wants this settled because the media will have a field day with his own family calling mj every name under the sun with the argument of well ifs own family says its true it must be. the family dont care about hurting mj cause they want the money and it will make them look good as the normal close family who tried to help which is what they want. so as someone who loves mj part of me wants it settled even if it means the jacksons get money because protecting mj is the most important thing.it just sums it up when u are trying to protect mj from his own family.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
agree. that quote reminds me of sneddons motions where he would say" we know theres more victims out there we just cant find them" they filed the case and are just looking for evidence as they go along.

part of me wants this settled because the media will have a field day with his own family calling mj every name under the sun with the argument of well ifs own family says its true it must be. the family dont care about hurting mj cause they want the money and it will make them look good as the normal close family who tried to help which is what they want. so as someone who loves mj part of me wants it settled even if it means the jacksons get money because protecting mj is the most important thing.it just sums it up when u are trying to protect mj from his own family.
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unfortunately you're right.... The Jackson family doesn't care about anyone but themselves and their image
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
So this whole aeg lawsuit has just been one giant fishing exercise? From what some of the jacksons have been saying these past couple of years they knew something was badly wrong and now we learn they had no evidence at all. This lawsuit is such a waste of space - unless they've got an aeg email to murray telling him to give mj propofol and not to bother monitoring him, the jacksons can just forget it. Asking a doc to make sure his patient gets to rehearsals doesn't normally result in death. I agree with last tear, this lawsuit if it goes to trial will be horrible for mj's memory and the media will be all over it. The family really should pull out. I actually feel really uneasy about aeg and how they pressured mj, i'm sure they treated him like a commodity, but then again so did his family, so noone's hands are clean here.
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That quote stood out to me as well. They had hearsay stuff we all heard before and hoped to find more evidence during discovery. It also seems like they are building their case on what AEG gives them, almost expect to find a paper trail of the wrongdoing.

An email from Gongaware is mentioned but it's again a quote from it. We are yet to see the full email. Who knows in what context that sentence was written?

Also it's important to remember that the trial judge said "trying to get someone to work" is not illegal. Most of us have jobs, what happens if you don't show up for work? Won't your employee call you and ask why didn't you show up? What happens if you don't show up for multiple times? Ask you to show up or tell that you'll be fired?

AEg had given Michael advances, they were footing the production costs in millions as well. So they asked him to show up to rehearsals. Is it illegal?
 
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Murray told everybody that Michael was just fine and he was not. Unless AEG knew what Murray was doing to Michael then I don't see how they are responsible for what happened to Michael. Did they give Michael grief about things? Probably because there was a lot of money involved in creating the show and things come up. I am going to give Michael some credit here. He was in the business a long time and dealt with concert promoters.
 
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Agree. if ppl are to believe the jacksons all the conversations that were testifyed to at the trial about murray being asked about mj and murray becoming aggresive etc were all staged and acted out by murray ortega philips gongaware etc when in reality they were nugging and winking at each other and acting out a role because AEG knew exactly what murray was doing. believible?!!!!!
 
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it never made sense that AEG knew what Murray was upp to. just like it never made sense that MJ self-inject. what makes sense is that Murray was playing both sides. telling MJ to trust him with his health, and telling AEG he has everything under control and that MJ was in good health.
 
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I am just so upset because all of this could've been stopped.. Somewhere along the way folks saw a change in MJ's appearance and behavior right after the shows were announced. Some even say his speech was slowed and slurred and he was losing tremendous amounts of weight and was going to Klein's office a lot and had Dr Murray coming over at night. Why didn't anyone say something?
 
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jaydom7 said:
I am just so upset because all of this could've been stopped.. Somewhere along the way folks saw a change in MJ's appearance and behavior right after the shows were announced. Some even say his speech was slowed and slurred and he was losing tremendous amounts of weight and was going to Klein's office a lot and had Dr Murray coming over at night. Why didn't anyone say something?
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did u even follow the trial kaymon. dont start with that. acting like mj was some sort of basket case. when kenny saw mj in that state on ONE day he said something.
 
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April 19 Update

AEG has filed a response to Katherine's lawyers objection documents.

In their objection documents Katherine's lawyers stated that Katherine (and Prince, Paris and Blanket) would be sending their answers , document requests and Katherine would be deposed before April 24 hearing date. They argued that therefore AEG's motion was unneeded and should be taken off calendar.

In this new set of documents we see that Katherine's lawyers has also asked AEG if they would take their motion off calendar, AEG refuses to do it. This is their reasons :

- AEG states as of April 17, they did not receive anything from Katherine. AEG states they sent over 14,000 pages of documents to Katherine to this date.
- AEG states Katherine has been making promises but for a year she did not keep any of the promises. AEG states they simply do not know if she would keep her promises now. (AEG's requests were sent April 2011, AEG states there have been agreed upon dates before but Katherine & her lawyers did not submit anything on those dates and kept asking extensions.) AEG says they will keep the motion active until they get what they are promised.
- AEG argues that the only reason that Katherine's lawyers are making "we will submit the answers before April 24 hearing" promises or agreeing Katherine to be deposed is because AEG filed the motion to compel.
- AEG says if Katherine shows for her deposition as promised, their request to compel her deposition should be considered moot. If she again doesn't show up despite the promises she must be compelled to sit down for a deposition within a week.
- AEG argues that Katherine is a vital witness in this case and her deposition / testimony is "essential to understand the scope and bases of her contentions in her complaint, to test her standing as a wrongful death plaintiff and to shed light on MJ's long history of drug use".

- AEG says with summary judgement deadline being in May 2012 and trial scheduled to start in September 2012 they can no longer wait for answers and they need them as quickly as possible.

- AEG says they have the right to know the "factual bases" of Katherine's claims against them and if there's no factual bases Katherine's lawyers should say so.
- In their opposition Katherine's lawyers had stated that they didn't have the full body of evidence and they were uncovering evidence from the documents AEG sent them and AEG already has the records of their wrongdoing. AEG responds to this with "AEG is not asking plaintiffs to produce AEG Live's own documents back to it. That would make no sense". AEG says they are asking for the information, documents that Katherine has in her possession.

- AEG explains why Katherine's answers to interrogatories is deficient. Katherine used 10 same reply to respond to 66 questions.
For example AEG says one question asks her "witnesses that was present at rehearsal on June that 18 that can confirm MJ was not himself at that day". AEG states that Katherine's answer does not reference June 18 or give any names of witnesses. (I cross checked her answer - Katherine mentions Ortega June 19 email in her answer and a brief mention of Karen Faye's observations about Michael on month of June. It does not mention the events of June 18 or who was there or who would testify to it).

Documents also include an email series between the AEG and Katherine Jackson lawyers trying to set up deposition dates and so on. From the emails we see that:

- AEG sends a long list about deficiencies in Katherine's answers and repeat that they need to know the factual bases and sources of facts of the claims in the complaint. The email also states that AEG suspects there's none.
- AEG and Katherine's lawyers discuss how long Katherine's deposition will be. Katherine's lawyers want it to be short. AEG argues that as Katherine is a vital witness the deposition can take hours / days.
- Tito Jackson has been deposed by AEG. Katherine's lawyer complain that Tito was asked if he ever missed any alimony payments and whether his father (Joe) used any corporal punishment on him when he was a child. AEG lawyers state that they can explore any areas that might lead to discovery of admissible evidence.
- Taunya Zilkie was to be deposed last week. (Taunya is the ex-girlfriend of Randy Jackson, ran MJSource and management of Karen Faye)
- AEG is also trying to set up dates for Randy, Jermaine and Janet Jackson depositions.
(Note : Previous document mentioned AEG staff including Gongaware and Phillips would be deposed in May 2012).


Katherine's lawyers write in one email AEG "wanted everyone to know after AEG wins summary judgement, this case will not be over".

"summary judgement" seems like AEG will ask the case to be disposed without a trial.
"this case will not be over" seems to be a mention of lawsuit against Katherine and/ or her lawyers. AEG lawyer explains this as "AEG reserves their right to seek relief if it turns out Jacksons brought this case without any legal or factual basis".


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Surprised that laToya's name is not on there. I wonder (assuming it is accurate) where they were going with the questions to Tito.
 
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LastTear said:
Surprised that laToya's name is not on there. I wonder (assuming it is accurate) where they were going with the questions to Tito.
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they plan to depose all Jacksons - meaning Katherine, Joe and Michael's siblings - NOT Prince, Paris or Blanket. (Document says Katherine would be deposed as guardian ad litem for the kids).

I believe this lawyer only represent Katherine and Randy, Jermaine and Janet. The other Jacksons have different lawyers.

As for questions to Tito as well as seeing the written questions sent - they are trying to see who Michael supported financially.

That Joe and capital punishment seems to be irrelevant unless it would be reason for his "drug use".
 
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Thanks ivy!

Oh man, AEG is definitely playing hardball now!

I'm not sure I have ever seen anything like this in my entire life. I mean, you bring a lawsuit against someone, but you don't want to participate in the normal, going forward procedures. It's quite apparent, to me, that Mrs. Jackson has no evidence and definitely does not want to be deposed. Strange, since this is HER case.

I'm not going to lie, when I say that I got a bit of a chuckle when I read that AEG wants to know about Tito's alimony payments. And that they want to depose Randy's ex-girlfriend (folks might finally get some MJJSource answers), along with RANDY, Jermaine and Janet. (Not sure why they would need to depose Janet, but hey, I guess it goes with the territory.)

"Jackson Family you're stomping with the big dog's now, I hope you're ready to PUT UP OR SHUT UP!"

This is about to get good, in my opinion. Real Good!

They done went and opened up a can of worms and now can't handle it. LOL!
 
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Lawd Jesus. It looks like the Jacksons have dug their own grave. This is going to be nasty, but I honestly don't care how embarrassing it turns out for family members as long as Michael's name is not dragged through the mud...
 
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"shed light on MJ's long history of drug use"."

I don't know about that! She doesn't really know about Michael's drug use,does she?
I think she relies her info to what other family members have told her. On Oprah, she said " I heard" and "I was told", wouldn't those be considered hearsay?
 
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