Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[jaydom7]

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I agree!! I wish MJ would've listened.. Mike needed help but Murray was not the answer. Murray was willing to give a patient anesthesia as a sleep aid, knowing the risk. He saw dollar signs and dollar signs only

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

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...and MJ's kids didn't need him. They all should have had a pediatrician of their own since they are minors. Kids don't need a cardiologist as a doctor especially if none of them have heart problems

Actually, that's not quite correct. No child in the US is required to only see a pediatrician. Plenty of families see nurse practitioners (which is an actual academic degree beyond that of a registered nurse) and general MDs. I know many families who avoid pediatricians like the plague for a number of reasons - and who do have a family doctor whom the entire family visits - and they prefer it that way.

(btw. absolutely nothing here is meant to be in defense of Murray, a convicted felon)

Being Michael I could also easily see why he would prefer for his family to be with one Doctor - instead of spread around charts.
A cardiologist is also a general practitioner - which is what his function seemed to have been judging by the few past excerpts of Michael's chart in the past.

Again, none of this is meant as a defense for Murray - just pointing out the fact that there isn't any obligation (moral or legal) in the US for a child to be seen by a pediatrician only. Plenty of families do have one family doctor - and that alone is not neglectful in and of itself.

 

[MIST]

I'm not sure Murray "pressured" Michael per se.

In my opinion, they BOTH wanted "something" from the other and Michael obviously trusted The Murderer. He certainly trusted Murray more than he trusted Nurse Lee.

We don´t know what happened during HIStory tour, Michael got help to sleep from doctors but we can´t know if it was propofol or other sedatives given intravenous.
It is possible that Michael was given propofol then,doctors took care of him and he survived.
I think he thought he would be safe if only a doctor was monitoring him,and he thought Murray was doing that.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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At that point, in my opinion, AEG didn't want anything to do with Murray and I don't think the way he spoke to Kenny Ortega during that "meeting," basically telling Ortega to mind his own business, helped his cause either.

I don't know if aeg were planning to ditch murray before tii, but the leaked emails did show that randy phillips thought murray was a trustworthy doctor. I think aeg's suspicions were all directed at dr klien, murray must have somehow presented himself as the anti-dote to whatever klien was up to.

Actually murray's reqeusts for money for treating mj were also made after mj died - he was demanding may and june's salary from aeg before being arrested for homicide. Un-effing-believable.

 

[CherubimII]

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Some things surrounding Michael Jackson's passing remain unknown.
But we do know for certain that Conrad Murray is a murderer.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I don't know if aeg were planning to ditch murray before tii, but the leaked emails did show that randy phillips thought murray was a trustworthy doctor. I think aeg's suspicions were all directed at dr klien, murray must have somehow presented himself as the anti-dote to whatever klien was up to.

In my opinion, Randy Phillips is the type of guy who likes the sound of his own voice. LOL!

I mean, if he was so fond on Murray, he found a funny way of showing it, being that the "good" doctor was never paid and the contract was never signed. If I recall correctly, the contract required 3 signatures, i.e. Murray, AEG, and Michael. I believe the only signature was that of The Murderer Murray.

It's was pretty clear to me after the testimony from another AEG executive, I "think" it was Gongware, that he had no use for Murray after Murray requested that bogus amount of money.

There's a reason that contract was NEVER signed. They could have signed the contract after that "meeting," since all parties were basically all together in one place. But for some reason that didn't happen.

P.S. I believe the contract stipulated that AEG would only sign AFTER Michael signed. Sort of a strange caveat for someone you have faith in. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^ Yes, they were leaving it all really late to tie up murray's employment - i've no idea why the contract remained unsigned. But it looked like murray was assuming he was going to the uk. I think the leaked emails mentioned he was fretting about the quality of the beds in his new uk home - (so glad he had his priorities sorted out). I guess i would put more emphasis on what aeg people say in their emails pre-25 june, rather than on the stand in the murray trial where they were all distancing themselves from murray.

Anyway i think this is all academic - even if aeg were perfectly happy to have murray on board as mj's doctor - he was still recommended to aeg by mj himself, and the 'sleep management' regime that killed mj was not directed by aeg - they just asked for mj to turn up at rehearsals in the afternoon.

 

[ivy]

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As for the contract they were still making changes to it and they only finalized it June 24. I think it would have been signed in a few days time. However the contract also said that Murray had to be licensed to practice in UK. It didn't seem he did try to get any licensing for UK so it could have easily voided his contract. It seemed like they could have canned Murray when in UK.

 

[AliCat]

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Lidocaine was used in combination with the Propofol. The symptoms that Michael were experiencing which led to a meeting the week before he died I believe were caused by the toxicity of the lidocaine.

Murray was confronted about Michael's condition and just didn't seem to care because of Kenny Ortega's reaction. Murray should have made sure his patient was functioning well, but didn't, that a meeting had to be held a week before Michael died.

Murray was nuts. Why else would he talk to 4 different females while his patient Michael Jackson lay dying?

---Lidocaine can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. Tremor is a useful bedside sign of toxicity. Other neurologic side effects include insomnia or drowsiness, lightheadedness, dysarthria and slurred speech, ataxia, depression, agitation, change in sensorium, a change in personality, nystagmus, hallucinations, memory impairment, and emotional lability.

Kenny Ortega talked about Michael needing help in a psychological manner!

 

[8701girl]

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Kenny Ortega talked about Michael needing help in a psychological manner!

Yes from what i've heard kenny say he was deeply worried bout michael and had a feeling something was wrong

 

[Victory22]

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Lidocaine was used in combination with the Propofol. The symptoms that Michael were experiencing which led to a meeting the week before he died I believe were caused by the toxicity of the lidocaine.

Murray was confronted about Michael's condition and just didn't seem to care because of Kenny Ortega's reaction. Murray should have made sure his patient was functioning well, but didn't, that a meeting had to be held a week before Michael died.

Murray was nuts. Why else would he talk to 4 different females while his patient Michael Jackson lay dying?

---Lidocaine can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. Tremor is a useful bedside sign of toxicity. Other neurologic side effects include insomnia or drowsiness, lightheadedness, dysarthria and slurred speech, ataxia, depression, agitation, change in sensorium, a change in personality, nystagmus, hallucinations, memory impairment, and emotional lability.

Kenny Ortega talked about Michael needing help in a psychological manner!

The way Michael was acting could have been caused by the Propofol and I believe it was:

Propofol Side Effects on the Nervous System

Side effects of propofol on the central nervous system may include excessive movements, hypertonia (a decrease in muscle movements), dystonia in which the muscles spasm or contract involuntarily, and paresthesia, which is a numbness or tingling. The medication also may cause such nervous problems as delirium, dizziness, drowsiness, chills and agitation. Other side effects reported include abnormal dreams, twitching, seizures, euphoria, depression, anxiety, headaches, hallucinations, insomnia and neuropathy.



Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/38206-propofol-side-effects/#ixzz28KyI8pXZ

 

[AliCat]

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The drug (Propofol) can only be administered with an IV. Propofol does burn a bit when being administered. Often the drug Lidocaine is used to reduce the pain associated with the Propofol injection.

Lidocaine is an anesthetic medication that can be injected or used topically. Doctors use lidocaine to numb the skin and underlying tissues before simple surgical procedures or before the injection of another medication. Lidocaine inhibits the conduction of neuron impulses, according to Drugs.com, and prevents pain signals from going to the brain. Lidocaine works immediately and lasts about 60 to 90 minutes. Most patients tolerate lidocaine well; however, certain patient may experience significant side effects. A patient who may be exposed to lidocaine should be aware of these possible side effects.

Drowsiness

According to the Mayo Clinic, lidocaine may cause drowsiness. This occurs because lidocaine can travel through the bloodstream to the brain. In the brain, lidocaine may alter the conduction of neural impulses and cause a patient to become drowsy. Drugs.com warns that drowsiness may merge into unconsciousness and respiratory arrest. Therefore, a patient experiencing drowsiness should immediately let his doctor know. His doctor will then monitor the patient to make sure he does not lose consciousness or stop breathing.

Irregular Heartbeat

Drugs.com states that lidocaine may cause an irregular heartbeat. Specifically, lidocaine may cause the heart to slow down, which may lead to cardiac arrest. This occurs because lidocaine can travel in the bloodstream to the heart muscles and alter heart rate and contraction strength. This serious side effect requires prompt medical attention. If a patient begins to notice an uncharacteristic slowing of the heart, he should seek immediate medical treatment to prevent further cardiovascular complications.

Nervousness

Lidocaine may cause nervousness, states Drugs.com. In this case, lidocaine may cause nerve excitement, which will manifest as nervousness or anxiety in a patient. Nervousness is a serious side effect that also requires immediate medical treatment. A patient should not ignore of self-treat this side effect. Instead, he should call his doctor. His doctor may discontinue a lidocaine patch, or may keep the patient to closely monitor for other serious side effects.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/119250-side-effects-lidocaine-anesthetic/#ixzz28P5OQ53q

Kenny Ortega wrote an email explaining that Michael was suffering from Nervousness or anxiety and thought that doing the 02 Shows was too much for Michael. Randy Phillips talked about Michael slurring, which is also another side effect of lidocaine.

During the Trial, it was shown that lidocaine was used when administering the propofol.

 

[Bubs]

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Do I understand these snippets right that AEG STLL haven't been able to get Randy and Jermaine's depositions and now are looking to judge to order definite date for their deposition?
It's not like either of them are too busy, but they are chickening out:doh:
Randy was so proud for his "family"(meaning himself) for filing this lawsuit but he has been avoiding soon enough a year to give his deposition. It is so easy to start something but when things gets tough, Randy hides, chicken.

Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

Click on any of the below link(s) to see documents filed on or before the date indicated:
06/26/2012 03/13/2012 11/17/2011 01/07/2011

10/05/2012 Opposition Document (TO DEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATIONS TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITIONS OF NON-PARTY WITNESSES STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON AND JERMAINE LAJAUANE JACKSON; DECLARA)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/05/2012 Declaration (OF KATHRYN A. CAHAN IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR TEH DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Declaration (OF JESSICA STEBBINS BINA IN SUPPORT O FDEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Order (GRANTING DEFENDANT AEG LIVE,LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSIT OF NON- PARTY STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Ex-Parte Application (TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITOIN OF NON-PARTY STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Declaration (OF KATHRYN A. CAHAN IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY JERMAINE LAJUANE JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Declaration (OF JESSICA STEBBINS BINA IN SUP- PORT OF DEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY JERMAINE LAJUANE JACKSON)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Order (GRANTING DEFENDANT AEG LIVE, LLC'S EX PARE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY JERMAINE LAJUANE JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/05/2012 Ex-Parte Application (TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSITION OF NON-PARTY JERMAINE LAJUANE JACKSON )

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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seems like AEG filed a motion asking the court to set a date for the depo cause randy and jerm wont co-operate. randy and jerm filed a motion objecting to it and the court ruled in AEGs favour and will order a date.

thats what it says to me. you can run but u cant hide.what id give to be a fly on the wall. i can hear the excuses now when the case is dropped cause certain ppl wont give depos. the big bad AEG were harrassing us into dropping the case

 

[Bubs]

seems like AEG filed a motion asking the court to set a date for the depo cause randy and jerm wont co-operate. randy and jerm filed a motion objecting to it and the court ruled in AEGs favour and will order a date.

thats what it says to me. you can run but u cant hide.what id give to be a fly on the wall. i can hear the excuses now when the case is dropped cause certain ppl wont give depos. the big bad AEG were harrassing us into dropping the case

I guess judge will set the date for their deposition the same time as they decide for monetary sanctions for Katherine's side.
10/24/2012 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Sanctions (MOTION TO SEAL PORTIONS OF THERECORD)

Are Randy and Jermaine using the same atty as Katherine? I wonder if that is the case, will the atty be billing the whole lot from Katherine, or is there separate billing for those loser siblings? It would be sickening if Michael at the end will have to pay anything for his brothers:no:

I would loved to be fly on the wall when Randy and Jermaine give their depositions (if it goes that far before the case is dropped)
I'm honestly amazed how stupid/naive/delusional they were when they started this case. Were they thinking that AEG is going to roll over and play dead, then gives them millions of dollars just like that?

On the recent statement from the estate, they wrote:
"The Estate chose not to join in the lawsuit because it saw no evidence that AEG was culpable in Michael's tragic passing."
Executors have lots of different type of lawyers at their disposal, and most likely asked advice from them whether there is any indication of AEG's culpability, and received no for answer. I believe Jackson's could have listened 1 decent lawyer for advice, but unfortunately they listened wrong type of lawyer and went for money.


Edited to add:
Seemingly at least Jermaine is using the same atty as K, suppose Randy too.
"Jermaine Jackson’s lawyer Kevin Boyle, who also represents his mother in the lawsuit against AEG, was not immediately available for comment."

 

[Big Apple2]

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I don't mean to laugh since this is such a serious issue, but how can I not laugh at the Jacksons, namely Randy and Jermaine. LOL!

Especially Randy Jackson, who in my opinion, is the ringleader in this botched endeavour. He didn't waste a second when he informed folks that he was "so proud of his family" for filing that suit against AEG. Now son appears to be hiding from his own case. PUNK!

I truly believe they thought AEG would just write them a big fat check so that they could go on their merry way. Oops, didn't happen, and where ever Randy is, I'm sure his head is about to explode.

Don't want to attend a deposition for his OWN case. Ain't that a blip!

 

[Bubs]

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I don't mean to laugh since this is such a serious issue, but how can I not laugh at the Jacksons, namely Randy and Jermaine. LOL!

Especially Randy Jackson, who in my opinion, is the ringleader in this botched endeavour. He didn't waste a second when he informed folks that he was "so proud of his family" for filing that suit against AEG. Now son appears to be hiding from his own case. PUNK!

I truly believe they thought AEG would just write them a big fat check so that they could go on their merry way. Oops, didn't happen, and where ever Randy is, I'm sure his head is about to explode.

Don't want to attend a deposition for his OWN case. Ain't that a blip!

Laugh away, it is funny. He likes to throw the stones at others but doesn't like to in the receiving end
I'd like to see what is it like when Randy gets his hissy fit, when his "things" doesn't go according to his plans.

 

[Aquarius]

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Guys do you think AEG will come to an agreement with the Jacksons? After all, they are spending money on lawyers and their lawyers must charge high fees. I was thinking the Jacksons might be counting on that. AEG is losing money so far and the Jacksons have nothing to lose because I don't think they're even paying for their attorneys. Hope AEG goes for the J's jugular.

 

[qbee]

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I dont think AEG will back down - They are not going to allow these accusations to stand.
They are certainly not hurting or going broke over attorney fees for this case.
They are a huge multi billion dollar co http://www.aegworldwide.com/

 

[Bubs]

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Guys do you think AEG will come to an agreement with the Jacksons? After all, they are spending money on lawyers and their lawyers must charge high fees. I was thinking the Jacksons might be counting on that. AEG is losing money so far and the Jacksons have nothing to lose because I don't think they're even paying for their attorneys. Hope AEG goes for the J's jugular.

I don't think AEG will settle, I think they already said it earlier that there won't be settlement.
If AEG do settle, that would be their admission of guilt, but I highly doubt they will take that route. As far as I understand these cases, if AEG wins, they are allowed to ask Katherine's side to pay their legal costs, and same goes the other side too.
If there is settlement offered and Jackson's take it, that shows that it was never about the justice for Michael, but pure greed for money for the family.

So far the only ones whose trousers are shaking, are Jackson's side thus all the silly tricks they are resorting.

 

[pug]

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Guys do you think AEG will come to an agreement with the Jacksons? After all, they are spending money on lawyers and their lawyers must charge high fees. I was thinking the Jacksons might be counting on that. AEG is losing money so far and the Jacksons have nothing to lose because I don't think they're even paying for their attorneys. Hope AEG goes for the J's jugular.

As a multi-million dollar corporation AEG keeps lawyers on retention. In other words they have lawyers on the payroll at all times and this just gives them something to do. Stop making light of Randy, he has proven himself to be a financial and legal genuis, he knows what he is doing.:hysterical: Jermaine is on tour he doesn't have time for this, AEG will just have to catch up with him somewhere along his itinerary.:tease:

 

[Bubs]

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Randy, he has proven himself to be a financial and legal genuis, he knows what he is doing.:hysterical: Jermaine is on tour he doesn't have time for this, AEG will just have to catch up with him somewhere along his itinerary.:tease:

The bolded part is so wrong in so many levels:bugeyed
Randy=financial and legal genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is Jermaine in tour? I thought their last concert was on 31st August (according to his twitter)? Now he has some spare time in his hands so he might as well get over and done with his deposition. Sooner or later he will have to do it, so why not get it done, then it is all over, and poor Jermaine can rest his nerves, or go on another "My brother is dead" tour.

 

[ivy]

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It seems they filed for a motion to compel for Randy and Jermaine. The order is not the approved order but a draft of order prepared for the judge. (whenever you file a motion having a request, lawyers also prepare an order for the judge to sign if he/she is to approve the request to reduce the workload for the judge and court clerks).

There's are two motion to compel hearings at November 28. I think that might be the time the judge would decide about Taunya Zilkie as well as Randy and Jermaine Jackson depositions.

I'll check for the documents tonight. There was nothing posted on Friday. It could take a few days to post them.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Thanks ivy so the judge hasnt ruled on it yet

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Thanks ivy.what was the motion about tunya for? were they wanting to speak to her again or was it docs they wanted

 

[ivy]

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I don't the details yet , I'll check for the court documents tonight and if they post them we'll have a better idea then. but it's quite unlikely - almost impossible - that judge would make a decision without a hearing and listening to the other side. So I'm thinking that

10/05/2012 Order (GRANTING DEFENDANT AEG LIVE,LLC'S EX PARTE APPLICATION TO SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DEPOSIT OF NON- PARTY STEVEN RANDALL "RANDY" JACKSON )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

is either a draft of order or is just judge allowing the ex-parte application to go forward.

As fro Taunya, she sat for her deposition for a day / 5 hours but refusing to continue it and refusing to provide documents requested. They had filed a motion to compel for that as well and it was set for November 28.

Now it's showing 2 motion to compel hearing on that day. So as of now I'm assuming AEG filed a ex-parte (one sided) motion to compel and judge agreed to put it on the court docket for November 28. But don't go around thinking it's a fact. We'll know for sure when I can get my hands on the documents - hopefully later today.

 

[marebear]

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Randy is the one that pushed for this and he won't give his deposition? Jermaine too. Wow these people have some nerve. They waste people's time and money by the way. They have no respect for people and I am sure the courts would like to get this matter dealt with and not dragged and dragged. Did Janet give hers? If they have nothing to hide and really this about Michael to them then they will give their depositions.

 

[Aquarius]

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As a multi-million dollar corporation AEG keeps lawyers on retention. In other words they have lawyers on the payroll at all times and this just gives them something to do. Stop making light of Randy, he has proven himself to be a financial and legal genuis, he knows what he is doing.:hysterical: Jermaine is on tour he doesn't have time for this, AEG will just have to catch up with him somewhere along his itinerary.:tease:

Thanks for the laugh!!!

Now the cubs are hiding behind the lioness.

 

[8701girl]

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Thanks for the laugh!!!

Now the cubs are hiding behind the lioness.

Of course they are we all shouldnt be surprised by that

 

[goldiee]

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Cannot believe they won't give a depo for a case they initiated.

I'm saying, those lawyers are going in on the Jacksons in those depos! Its okay to have Michael ripped to shreds but when its one of them and answering to their dirty laundry, they don't want to talk.