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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Although La Toya Jackson claims her brother Michael told her, "I`m going to be murdered." As we look to the manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, the man accused in the death of Michael Jackson, that eerie premonition certainly comes to mind.
Here to talk about that and other revelations in her new book, "Starting Over" is La Toya Jackson. Hello La Toya.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Hello Joy, how are you.
BEHAR: Have you gotten over "Celebrity Apprentice"?
JACKSON: Have I gotten over it? Look at you. You`re starting already. You`re starting already -- have I? Well, you know, not quite. There`s probably one or two people that, you know, they just can`t go away.
BEHAR: Really, they just haunt you in your dreams?
JACKSON: They will not go away. It`s like a bad seed. Just keeps coming back.
BEHAR: Ok. You know, the book that you wrote is rather serious. You have a lot of revelations about your brother and about your own life and everything.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Before I even get to your life, it said in my intro of you that Michael told you "I`m going to be murdered." When did he say that to you?
JACKSON: Yes. He told me that when we were going through the trial. Just before that period. During that time. And all of this is in the book, word by word.
BEHAR: Yes.
JACKSON: Not only that he told me several times, and he told my mother, as well. And of course when he first said that, I didn`t believe him, Joy because he was Michael. Who would want to do something to a Michael Jackson, one of the biggest entertainers in the world?
BEHAR: Well, I mean that alone, look at John Lennon -- what happened to him.
JACKSON: There you have it.
BEHAR: Being the biggest star in the world is all that`s required for some of these nutcases out there to kill them.
JACKSON: Well, you just never expect that to happen. Why would someone do this? Why would they do want to do it? What is the reason for it? The purpose for it? And then he broke it all down to me. He says, it`s because of my publishing catalogue which is the biggest -- one of the biggest catalogues in the world, worth billions.
He said, this is what they`re after, they want to take it from me, they want it. And he had a love-hate relationship with this catalogue. He would say I don`t want it, it`s not worth my life. I don`t want it. And then he would go, "No, I bought it outright, I`m not letting anybody take this away from me."
BEHAR: But even if he was killed, God forbid, or dead, how could they just take the catalogue? It would have to be the legal papers?
JACKSON: Yes, yes, of course. But you have to remember something. The people that were instrumental, even when they came into his life, they were inquiring about the catalogue. Less than a week prior to his death from what I was told.
But the fact is, yes, they could because Michael`s catalogue -- it`s a whole story behind it, all of it is in the book where it would revert back to him, every single penny of it. Everything that he shared with one of the major companies that he was involved with. Everything would revert back to him as well.
I guess just before that happened -- my brother`s not here, he`s gone.
BEHAR: He`s gone.
Now Dr. Conrad Murray seems to be a suspect in the demise, let`s put it that way, the demise of Michael.
JACKSON: In the demise of him, yes.
BEHAR: But you don`t really think that he is responsible.
JACKSON: No, I -- this is what I think, Joy. I think that he`s involved in some point. I think it was a conspiracy because the way my brother laid it out to me, everything happened exactly the way he said it would happen.
I think that there are very many people involved. And this was pre- meditated. It was pre-planned. I think Dr. Murray happened to be the fall guy that happened to be there to probably sort of in a sense -- I don`t want to use the word "ignite it", but instrumental in a bit.
BEHAR: To what? To administer the Propofol you think?
JACKSON: No, no, no. I`m not saying that. He was the one -- I don`t know who actually did it that night. I can`t say, I was not there.
BEHAR: It`s possible that Michael did it to himself?
JACKSON: No, it`s not possible at all, Joy. It`s not possible.
BEHAR: Why not?
JACKSON: I`ve spoken to many doctors about this --
BEHAR: Yes?
JACKSON: And first of all, you cannot administer this to yourself because the minute you try to inject in yourself -- first of all, you fall asleep immediately. Then within time you wake up, a very, very short period of time, you wake up. So --
BEHAR: I checked that because you mentioned that on "The View", the other day.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: The CNN medical folks here, they said that Propofol syringes have a battery powered pump attached which administer the medicine at a set speed which means he would not necessarily wake up.
JACKSON: Within time he would, but let me just say this to you -- what you`re saying what the doctor said, this is what the doctors have told me. Not only that, the coroner has told me and several other people the minute Michael passed, they came the following day and said this was purposely done, it was injected in him, it was enough to kill an elephant.
Somebody who did it had to stand there and make sure it kept going in him, to make sure it was there.
BEHAR: So you don`t think that the set speed that the syringe could be put at would do it?
JACKSON: He couldn`t do it, Joy, because first of all, he was hooked to all kinds of things at that time. There`s no way he could have done -- his hands weren`t free for him to do that. If you knew -- actually what was taking place and what happened at that particular time, his hands weren`t free for that, as well.
BEHAR: So it sounds as though you`re pointing the finger at people that were in his life -- you don`t say who they are, right?
JACKSON: Basically what I`m saying is that -- I`m telling you what my brother told me and the way he said it would be played out. And everything he said is taking place exactly the way he said it would do. What would happen and who would be involved. These people came back into his life that weren`t there.
BEHAR: But you don`t name who they are?
JACKSON: No.
BEHAR: You do not --
JACKSON: It`s all in the book.
BEHAR: I know it`s in the book, but you won`t say the names on TV of the people you`re talking about? Because there are specific people you`re talking.
JACKSON: They know exactly who they are. They know who they are they`re guilty of it. They know who they are.
BEHAR: They -- they`re not named in this thing I`m reading to you now, it`s called Michael`s estate. These are the people who are running Michael`s estate?
JACKSON: That`s not exactly what I`m saying. What I`m saying is that these were the group of people involved. This is a conspiracy.
BEHAR: I know --
JACKSON: When you speak of Michael`s estate, let`s talk about that for a second. You speak to that. Michael`s estate is being run by people, yes, of course. And from what I have seen and been told and heard, I know that Michael supposedly on his will, he did not have these people.
BEHAR: Those people were not in his will?
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: The will was not signed that day. The day that they signed it was -- Michael was in New York, and his will was signed supposedly and stamped in L.A., and that`s not true. Michael was in New York at that particular time.
BEHAR: What does his will say? His will says he`s leaving his money to his children?
JACKSON: Truthfully, we don`t know what it says because we truly believe that it`s not the true will. It`s a fake will because we do know that Michael was in New York at that time -- the day it was stamped according to them.
The people that the will was left to, Michael would not have allowed that to happen. I mean these are the same people he wrote about, that he talked to me, my mother, everybody about, that he did not want them in their life. He eradicated them from his life. Now they`re stepping back into the life.
BEHAR: All right. Let me read what they say.
JACKSON: Sure, go ahead.
BEHAR: "These outrageous and obviously false statements made by La Toya Jackson are further examples of a willingness to say anything involving her brother for attention or money. What do you say to that?
JACKSON: I say it`s an outright lie. First of all, Joy, I don`t need attention. I`m known. I don`t need that. I have all the money I want. I don`t need that. Why do I need that? And if you want to look into it deeply, think about this. What they`re saying my intentions for attention and money, no, absolutely not. These are the people that --
BEHAR: You don`t need money, La Toya?
JACKSON: I`m very comfortable.
BEHAR: Where did you make all your money?
JACKSON: I have several different companies Joy that I work on all the time.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s right. You have your perfume.
JACKSON: I have so many things. You have no idea that`s going on. I have a product called ASAP, which is (INAUDIBLE) -- incredible product --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ASAP, isn`t that the thing you did with "Celebrity Apprentice"?
JACKSON: It is. That`s why I named it after that.
BEHAR: Did they allow you to do that?
JACKSON: They didn`t know. They didn`t know.
BEHAR: Does Starr Jones know that you`re using that name?
JACKSON: I made it up. Hey, no. You know what`s so funny -- she was busy saying, yes, it goes like this, this is for -- yes, you`ll see what it mean at the end of the day. Yes.
But it`s very green. That`s a product that`s incredible. It`s -- we wash our cars, I know you`re a New Yorker. But we lose anywhere from 80 to 150 gallons of water a day when we wash our car.
BEHAR: I did pee many times during the night.
JACKSON: Stop it, Joy.
BEHAR: Let me read you something from the book, which is serious. You write that Michael told you this. I want to stay on Michael for a second.
JACKSON: If we`re going to stay on him, we`re going to get back to these guys because when my brother passed, the first thing they did was collect everything that was in his possession, meaning all of his footage, knowing that they were going to put out -- look it, a movie, not only that, the Beatles` catalogue got released all of a sudden.
If you go down the list, they have Cirque du Soleil that`s coming out, whatever that is. They have all these other things that are coming out. You have to look and say, wait a minute, who stands to gain from this --
BEHAR: Take them to court. I mean you`re going to have to take them to court. Let me read you this from your book.
JACKSON: He`s worth more dead than alive.
BEHAR: You say that Michael said this to you. "I`m even afraid to walk around in my yard because I`m afraid they`re going to kill me. I could never perform again because I know they`re going to kill me. They`re watching me, they`re watching me, they`re watching me."
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Was he a little bit paranoid?
JACKSON: No, you would think that but he wasn`t because he knew. Because things, Joy, had been happening to him that this was taking place slowly. That`s why he decided to start talking and telling people. That`s why he decided to tell my mother and tell several people. He wasn`t paranoid at all.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. We`ll have more with although Toya in just a minute. Stay there.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: We`re back with La Toya Jackson.
Let me start with something in the news, you know, because all this week there`s a lot of talk about J Lo and Marc Anthony getting a divorce. And this -- the scuttlebutt about it is that he`s very controlling. People are saying that. You know a little about that, right. Because didn`t you -- weren`t you married to someone that you said was controlling? Tell me about it.
JACKSON: I know a lot about it. This is what people are getting --
BEHAR: And what do you think about them?
JACKSON: This is what people are getting wrong. I don`t know Marc Anthony and J Lo. Of course, I`ve met them several times, of course. However I can`t tell you anything about that situation.
But I will say to you that my book is about abuse. It`s about what I endured all these years and what he took me through, this individual. And how people and men and we as women allow someone to take advantage of us and control us and take away our self-worth, take away our self-esteem, instill fear in us, which is what he did --
BEHAR: Your ex-husband.
JACKSON: My ex-husband.
BEHAR: Jack -- what was his name?
JACKSON: Gordon.
BEHAR: Jack Gordon.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok.
JACKSON: This is what he did to me. So I want every woman to know when a man hits you one time, that`s one time too many.
BEHAR: Right.
JACKSON: You need to get out and get out of there. There is help everywhere. We have a lobby -- women don`t realize that. There is help if you can`t -- you go on the Internet, you ask for help, tweet me at Latoya anything you want, but there is help out there to get at. So you don`t have to maintain this.
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: As I speak to you, Joy, right now, every eight seconds a woman is being abused as we speak. And that`s pretty sad because we are afraid -- we don`t do anything about it. We feel that we don`t have the self-worth, that we have to stay into this relationship out of this fear that --
BEHAR: Why did you stay in it?
JACKSON: I didn`t know how to get out of it, Joy.
BEHAR: Why not.
JACKSON: He instilled so much fear in me that I couldn`t make the proper moves that I wanted to make. In other words, if you don`t do this and if you don`t say what I ask you to say, I`m going to kill you and your brother. And that`s what he instilled in me all the time, and I believed him.
BEHAR: Threats?
JACKSON: The threats were major. I believed him because of people that he surrounded himself with. We used to --
BEHAR: What attracted you to him in the first place?
JACKSON: It all began with my mother not being able to go to Japan with me, and then she asked my father to go. My father couldn`t go with me. So my father says, well, can you go with her, Gordon, for a couple of days. And he went with me. When I got over there, he took my passport and said, you`re never going back home. And that`s how it all started.
I was a strict devout Jehovah Witness. I didn`t know anything. I was so naive to the world. And it`s like if you tell me something, Joy, I believed it. I was so naive.
BEHAR: How old were you?
JACKSON: I was too old to be that naive, I tell you that. I certainly was. I was too old to be that naive.
BEHAR: Well, you`re not too old if you`re raised in a very sheltered environment.
JACKSON: Very sheltered, strictly religious and I was the kind of religious person that went overboard. Whatever God said do, I did it. And I overdid it. It`s like I can`t speak you to because you`re not a Jehovah Witness. I was one of those. You`re worldly.
So he saw this person and did the antithesis of everything that I would have done. For instance -- you`re doing "Playboy". I was like, "No, you can`t make me doing do something like that." And, you know, everything that I wouldn`t do is what he did.
The reason I believed the threats of killing my brother and killing myself if I didn`t say or do what he wanted is because we practically lived on Mulberry Street meaning grouping up with these guys that were heads of families and things like that.
And I -- John Gotti, I knew all of them. I knew these guys. So I knew those threats. He would carry them through. I`m not saying they were involved in it. But I`m saying because of those reasons and hearing the conversations that went on. But they would speak openly in front of me and say -- they would call me the kid, would the kid talk. He`d say, no. She knows not to say anything.
BEHAR: Was he like your father?
JACKSON: He was like my father. When you say like my father, you mean like --
BEHAR: Personality-wise?
JACKSON: No.
BEHAR: Your father`s not controlling?
JACKSON: No, my father instilled -- what he wanted to do with us and what he did, if you see the results of my brothers and sisters and the way we are today, my father was a disciplinarian. He wanted them to focus on what they wanted in life.
This guy wasn`t. This guy abused me constantly.
BEHAR: Your father didn`t hit the children?
JACKSON: We got spankings, yes. And I know that you don`t believe in spankings --
BEHAR: I do not.
JACKSON: -- but in the old days people got spanking --
BEHAR: I didn`t and I`m much older than you.
JACKSON: I don`t know.
BEHAR: I don`t believe in spanking any time ever.
JACKSON: The Bible says spare the rod and you ruin the child --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Who would believe that?
JACKSON: I`m not saying that. No. But when I left him the FBI came to me, and we had several meetings with them. It was like six, seven, eight --
BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?
JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport --
BEHAR: Where was this -- what country were you in at that time?
JACKSON: No. Actually I happened to be here, right here in New York.
BEHAR: So why did you need your passport.
JACKSON: I had no identification to get away. He kept my passport, he kept everything. He took -- the minute I was with him, he transferred everything -- I never saw one penny of my money when I was working or anything. He controlled me, controlled everything.
BEHAR: How did you manage to break free emotionally from him?
JACKSON: It took a lot of me just being very analytical. I stayed at home, I was afraid to get out the door. I became very analytical and said to myself why would someone treat another person, individual like this, who`s been nothing but kind, worked for them, was their meal ticket, worked as a slave practically and do this? That`s how I became very analytical.
Then I found out that he was raised in a brothel and was --
BEHAR: He was raised in a brothel?
JACKSON: Yes. He was raised --
BEHAR: Really?
JACKSON: His uncle told me that he was raised in a brothel. As a little boy he would dance on top of the piano and the whole bit --
BEHAR: How long were you with Jack?
JACKSON: Too long.
BEHAR: Two years, ten years --
JACKSON: Too long, Joy. It was nearly ten years, I think. Nearly 10 years. A long time. A long time.
BEHAR: Are you dating anybody else now?
JACKSON: No, but I would love to say yes, yes, yes, and yes -- yes.
BEHAR: Yes? Is that yes?
JACKSON: I would love to say yes.
BEHAR: You would love to say yes. But it`s not?
JACKSON: Yes -- I have a very, very --
BEHAR: Are you scared to meet another guy because you might get ensnared in some other crazy relationship?
JACKSON: I tell you, something Joy, I think from life -- I learned every life is a learning lesson, I`ve learned a lot from this. I know the first time is not always your fault. But the second time, if I do this again, this time it`s my fault.
BEHAR: Are you still a Jehovah`s Witness?
JACKSON: No, I`m not. I`m very spiritual, but I`m not Jehovah Witness but I believe in God.
But I will say this and I`ll turn this thing back to my brother --
BEHAR: I have to go. One more thing, go ahead.
JACKSON: I know. But I want to say something, follow the money trail, if you`re dealing with Michael. All of these people are the people -- they`re afraid of me. They`re afraid what I know, what I might say. That`s their problem.
BEHAR: Are you scared? Aren`t you scared?
JACKSON: Why are they complaining about me being on a show promoting a book that has to do -- that was written before Michael passed and Michael approved of the book. He loved it.
BEHAR: Well, you`re accusing them so they`re defending themselves. That`s all -- in public.
JACKSON: I`m not accusing them. I`m just saying that -- I`m telling you what my brother told me.
BEHAR: You`re saying there`s a conspiracy to kill Michael and you --
JACKSON: That`s what Michael told me. My mother. And there was a conspiracy. Once you read the book, you will understand everything. It puts everything together.
BEHAR: Ok.
JACKSON: And it`s like, oh, now I get it.
BEHAR: All right. La Toya, always a pleasure to have you on the show.
JACKSON: Thank you.
BEHAR: Her book is called "Starting Over" and it`s out now.
We`ll be right back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/22/joy.01.html
Here to talk about that and other revelations in her new book, "Starting Over" is La Toya Jackson. Hello La Toya.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Hello Joy, how are you.
BEHAR: Have you gotten over "Celebrity Apprentice"?
JACKSON: Have I gotten over it? Look at you. You`re starting already. You`re starting already -- have I? Well, you know, not quite. There`s probably one or two people that, you know, they just can`t go away.
BEHAR: Really, they just haunt you in your dreams?
JACKSON: They will not go away. It`s like a bad seed. Just keeps coming back.
BEHAR: Ok. You know, the book that you wrote is rather serious. You have a lot of revelations about your brother and about your own life and everything.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Before I even get to your life, it said in my intro of you that Michael told you "I`m going to be murdered." When did he say that to you?
JACKSON: Yes. He told me that when we were going through the trial. Just before that period. During that time. And all of this is in the book, word by word.
BEHAR: Yes.
JACKSON: Not only that he told me several times, and he told my mother, as well. And of course when he first said that, I didn`t believe him, Joy because he was Michael. Who would want to do something to a Michael Jackson, one of the biggest entertainers in the world?
BEHAR: Well, I mean that alone, look at John Lennon -- what happened to him.
JACKSON: There you have it.
BEHAR: Being the biggest star in the world is all that`s required for some of these nutcases out there to kill them.
JACKSON: Well, you just never expect that to happen. Why would someone do this? Why would they do want to do it? What is the reason for it? The purpose for it? And then he broke it all down to me. He says, it`s because of my publishing catalogue which is the biggest -- one of the biggest catalogues in the world, worth billions.
He said, this is what they`re after, they want to take it from me, they want it. And he had a love-hate relationship with this catalogue. He would say I don`t want it, it`s not worth my life. I don`t want it. And then he would go, "No, I bought it outright, I`m not letting anybody take this away from me."
BEHAR: But even if he was killed, God forbid, or dead, how could they just take the catalogue? It would have to be the legal papers?
JACKSON: Yes, yes, of course. But you have to remember something. The people that were instrumental, even when they came into his life, they were inquiring about the catalogue. Less than a week prior to his death from what I was told.
But the fact is, yes, they could because Michael`s catalogue -- it`s a whole story behind it, all of it is in the book where it would revert back to him, every single penny of it. Everything that he shared with one of the major companies that he was involved with. Everything would revert back to him as well.
I guess just before that happened -- my brother`s not here, he`s gone.
BEHAR: He`s gone.
Now Dr. Conrad Murray seems to be a suspect in the demise, let`s put it that way, the demise of Michael.
JACKSON: In the demise of him, yes.
BEHAR: But you don`t really think that he is responsible.
JACKSON: No, I -- this is what I think, Joy. I think that he`s involved in some point. I think it was a conspiracy because the way my brother laid it out to me, everything happened exactly the way he said it would happen.
I think that there are very many people involved. And this was pre- meditated. It was pre-planned. I think Dr. Murray happened to be the fall guy that happened to be there to probably sort of in a sense -- I don`t want to use the word "ignite it", but instrumental in a bit.
BEHAR: To what? To administer the Propofol you think?
JACKSON: No, no, no. I`m not saying that. He was the one -- I don`t know who actually did it that night. I can`t say, I was not there.
BEHAR: It`s possible that Michael did it to himself?
JACKSON: No, it`s not possible at all, Joy. It`s not possible.
BEHAR: Why not?
JACKSON: I`ve spoken to many doctors about this --
BEHAR: Yes?
JACKSON: And first of all, you cannot administer this to yourself because the minute you try to inject in yourself -- first of all, you fall asleep immediately. Then within time you wake up, a very, very short period of time, you wake up. So --
BEHAR: I checked that because you mentioned that on "The View", the other day.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: The CNN medical folks here, they said that Propofol syringes have a battery powered pump attached which administer the medicine at a set speed which means he would not necessarily wake up.
JACKSON: Within time he would, but let me just say this to you -- what you`re saying what the doctor said, this is what the doctors have told me. Not only that, the coroner has told me and several other people the minute Michael passed, they came the following day and said this was purposely done, it was injected in him, it was enough to kill an elephant.
Somebody who did it had to stand there and make sure it kept going in him, to make sure it was there.
BEHAR: So you don`t think that the set speed that the syringe could be put at would do it?
JACKSON: He couldn`t do it, Joy, because first of all, he was hooked to all kinds of things at that time. There`s no way he could have done -- his hands weren`t free for him to do that. If you knew -- actually what was taking place and what happened at that particular time, his hands weren`t free for that, as well.
BEHAR: So it sounds as though you`re pointing the finger at people that were in his life -- you don`t say who they are, right?
JACKSON: Basically what I`m saying is that -- I`m telling you what my brother told me and the way he said it would be played out. And everything he said is taking place exactly the way he said it would do. What would happen and who would be involved. These people came back into his life that weren`t there.
BEHAR: But you don`t name who they are?
JACKSON: No.
BEHAR: You do not --
JACKSON: It`s all in the book.
BEHAR: I know it`s in the book, but you won`t say the names on TV of the people you`re talking about? Because there are specific people you`re talking.
JACKSON: They know exactly who they are. They know who they are they`re guilty of it. They know who they are.
BEHAR: They -- they`re not named in this thing I`m reading to you now, it`s called Michael`s estate. These are the people who are running Michael`s estate?
JACKSON: That`s not exactly what I`m saying. What I`m saying is that these were the group of people involved. This is a conspiracy.
BEHAR: I know --
JACKSON: When you speak of Michael`s estate, let`s talk about that for a second. You speak to that. Michael`s estate is being run by people, yes, of course. And from what I have seen and been told and heard, I know that Michael supposedly on his will, he did not have these people.
BEHAR: Those people were not in his will?
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: The will was not signed that day. The day that they signed it was -- Michael was in New York, and his will was signed supposedly and stamped in L.A., and that`s not true. Michael was in New York at that particular time.
BEHAR: What does his will say? His will says he`s leaving his money to his children?
JACKSON: Truthfully, we don`t know what it says because we truly believe that it`s not the true will. It`s a fake will because we do know that Michael was in New York at that time -- the day it was stamped according to them.
The people that the will was left to, Michael would not have allowed that to happen. I mean these are the same people he wrote about, that he talked to me, my mother, everybody about, that he did not want them in their life. He eradicated them from his life. Now they`re stepping back into the life.
BEHAR: All right. Let me read what they say.
JACKSON: Sure, go ahead.
BEHAR: "These outrageous and obviously false statements made by La Toya Jackson are further examples of a willingness to say anything involving her brother for attention or money. What do you say to that?
JACKSON: I say it`s an outright lie. First of all, Joy, I don`t need attention. I`m known. I don`t need that. I have all the money I want. I don`t need that. Why do I need that? And if you want to look into it deeply, think about this. What they`re saying my intentions for attention and money, no, absolutely not. These are the people that --
BEHAR: You don`t need money, La Toya?
JACKSON: I`m very comfortable.
BEHAR: Where did you make all your money?
JACKSON: I have several different companies Joy that I work on all the time.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s right. You have your perfume.
JACKSON: I have so many things. You have no idea that`s going on. I have a product called ASAP, which is (INAUDIBLE) -- incredible product --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ASAP, isn`t that the thing you did with "Celebrity Apprentice"?
JACKSON: It is. That`s why I named it after that.
BEHAR: Did they allow you to do that?
JACKSON: They didn`t know. They didn`t know.
BEHAR: Does Starr Jones know that you`re using that name?
JACKSON: I made it up. Hey, no. You know what`s so funny -- she was busy saying, yes, it goes like this, this is for -- yes, you`ll see what it mean at the end of the day. Yes.
But it`s very green. That`s a product that`s incredible. It`s -- we wash our cars, I know you`re a New Yorker. But we lose anywhere from 80 to 150 gallons of water a day when we wash our car.
BEHAR: I did pee many times during the night.
JACKSON: Stop it, Joy.
BEHAR: Let me read you something from the book, which is serious. You write that Michael told you this. I want to stay on Michael for a second.
JACKSON: If we`re going to stay on him, we`re going to get back to these guys because when my brother passed, the first thing they did was collect everything that was in his possession, meaning all of his footage, knowing that they were going to put out -- look it, a movie, not only that, the Beatles` catalogue got released all of a sudden.
If you go down the list, they have Cirque du Soleil that`s coming out, whatever that is. They have all these other things that are coming out. You have to look and say, wait a minute, who stands to gain from this --
BEHAR: Take them to court. I mean you`re going to have to take them to court. Let me read you this from your book.
JACKSON: He`s worth more dead than alive.
BEHAR: You say that Michael said this to you. "I`m even afraid to walk around in my yard because I`m afraid they`re going to kill me. I could never perform again because I know they`re going to kill me. They`re watching me, they`re watching me, they`re watching me."
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Was he a little bit paranoid?
JACKSON: No, you would think that but he wasn`t because he knew. Because things, Joy, had been happening to him that this was taking place slowly. That`s why he decided to start talking and telling people. That`s why he decided to tell my mother and tell several people. He wasn`t paranoid at all.
BEHAR: Ok. All right. We`ll have more with although Toya in just a minute. Stay there.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: We`re back with La Toya Jackson.
Let me start with something in the news, you know, because all this week there`s a lot of talk about J Lo and Marc Anthony getting a divorce. And this -- the scuttlebutt about it is that he`s very controlling. People are saying that. You know a little about that, right. Because didn`t you -- weren`t you married to someone that you said was controlling? Tell me about it.
JACKSON: I know a lot about it. This is what people are getting --
BEHAR: And what do you think about them?
JACKSON: This is what people are getting wrong. I don`t know Marc Anthony and J Lo. Of course, I`ve met them several times, of course. However I can`t tell you anything about that situation.
But I will say to you that my book is about abuse. It`s about what I endured all these years and what he took me through, this individual. And how people and men and we as women allow someone to take advantage of us and control us and take away our self-worth, take away our self-esteem, instill fear in us, which is what he did --
BEHAR: Your ex-husband.
JACKSON: My ex-husband.
BEHAR: Jack -- what was his name?
JACKSON: Gordon.
BEHAR: Jack Gordon.
JACKSON: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok.
JACKSON: This is what he did to me. So I want every woman to know when a man hits you one time, that`s one time too many.
BEHAR: Right.
JACKSON: You need to get out and get out of there. There is help everywhere. We have a lobby -- women don`t realize that. There is help if you can`t -- you go on the Internet, you ask for help, tweet me at Latoya anything you want, but there is help out there to get at. So you don`t have to maintain this.
(CROSSTALK)
JACKSON: As I speak to you, Joy, right now, every eight seconds a woman is being abused as we speak. And that`s pretty sad because we are afraid -- we don`t do anything about it. We feel that we don`t have the self-worth, that we have to stay into this relationship out of this fear that --
BEHAR: Why did you stay in it?
JACKSON: I didn`t know how to get out of it, Joy.
BEHAR: Why not.
JACKSON: He instilled so much fear in me that I couldn`t make the proper moves that I wanted to make. In other words, if you don`t do this and if you don`t say what I ask you to say, I`m going to kill you and your brother. And that`s what he instilled in me all the time, and I believed him.
BEHAR: Threats?
JACKSON: The threats were major. I believed him because of people that he surrounded himself with. We used to --
BEHAR: What attracted you to him in the first place?
JACKSON: It all began with my mother not being able to go to Japan with me, and then she asked my father to go. My father couldn`t go with me. So my father says, well, can you go with her, Gordon, for a couple of days. And he went with me. When I got over there, he took my passport and said, you`re never going back home. And that`s how it all started.
I was a strict devout Jehovah Witness. I didn`t know anything. I was so naive to the world. And it`s like if you tell me something, Joy, I believed it. I was so naive.
BEHAR: How old were you?
JACKSON: I was too old to be that naive, I tell you that. I certainly was. I was too old to be that naive.
BEHAR: Well, you`re not too old if you`re raised in a very sheltered environment.
JACKSON: Very sheltered, strictly religious and I was the kind of religious person that went overboard. Whatever God said do, I did it. And I overdid it. It`s like I can`t speak you to because you`re not a Jehovah Witness. I was one of those. You`re worldly.
So he saw this person and did the antithesis of everything that I would have done. For instance -- you`re doing "Playboy". I was like, "No, you can`t make me doing do something like that." And, you know, everything that I wouldn`t do is what he did.
The reason I believed the threats of killing my brother and killing myself if I didn`t say or do what he wanted is because we practically lived on Mulberry Street meaning grouping up with these guys that were heads of families and things like that.
And I -- John Gotti, I knew all of them. I knew these guys. So I knew those threats. He would carry them through. I`m not saying they were involved in it. But I`m saying because of those reasons and hearing the conversations that went on. But they would speak openly in front of me and say -- they would call me the kid, would the kid talk. He`d say, no. She knows not to say anything.
BEHAR: Was he like your father?
JACKSON: He was like my father. When you say like my father, you mean like --
BEHAR: Personality-wise?
JACKSON: No.
BEHAR: Your father`s not controlling?
JACKSON: No, my father instilled -- what he wanted to do with us and what he did, if you see the results of my brothers and sisters and the way we are today, my father was a disciplinarian. He wanted them to focus on what they wanted in life.
This guy wasn`t. This guy abused me constantly.
BEHAR: Your father didn`t hit the children?
JACKSON: We got spankings, yes. And I know that you don`t believe in spankings --
BEHAR: I do not.
JACKSON: -- but in the old days people got spanking --
BEHAR: I didn`t and I`m much older than you.
JACKSON: I don`t know.
BEHAR: I don`t believe in spanking any time ever.
JACKSON: The Bible says spare the rod and you ruin the child --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Who would believe that?
JACKSON: I`m not saying that. No. But when I left him the FBI came to me, and we had several meetings with them. It was like six, seven, eight --
BEHAR: How did you leave? What made you leave him?
JACKSON: He was forcing me to do a pornography movie. He says that he`s getting paid millions and millions of money. And you`re doing it. He says after you do it, I`m done with you. I said you know what; you`re just going to have to kill me right now. But before I said I begged for my passport because I knew I didn`t have a way out. I said, please, can you give me my passport --
BEHAR: Where was this -- what country were you in at that time?
JACKSON: No. Actually I happened to be here, right here in New York.
BEHAR: So why did you need your passport.
JACKSON: I had no identification to get away. He kept my passport, he kept everything. He took -- the minute I was with him, he transferred everything -- I never saw one penny of my money when I was working or anything. He controlled me, controlled everything.
BEHAR: How did you manage to break free emotionally from him?
JACKSON: It took a lot of me just being very analytical. I stayed at home, I was afraid to get out the door. I became very analytical and said to myself why would someone treat another person, individual like this, who`s been nothing but kind, worked for them, was their meal ticket, worked as a slave practically and do this? That`s how I became very analytical.
Then I found out that he was raised in a brothel and was --
BEHAR: He was raised in a brothel?
JACKSON: Yes. He was raised --
BEHAR: Really?
JACKSON: His uncle told me that he was raised in a brothel. As a little boy he would dance on top of the piano and the whole bit --
BEHAR: How long were you with Jack?
JACKSON: Too long.
BEHAR: Two years, ten years --
JACKSON: Too long, Joy. It was nearly ten years, I think. Nearly 10 years. A long time. A long time.
BEHAR: Are you dating anybody else now?
JACKSON: No, but I would love to say yes, yes, yes, and yes -- yes.
BEHAR: Yes? Is that yes?
JACKSON: I would love to say yes.
BEHAR: You would love to say yes. But it`s not?
JACKSON: Yes -- I have a very, very --
BEHAR: Are you scared to meet another guy because you might get ensnared in some other crazy relationship?
JACKSON: I tell you, something Joy, I think from life -- I learned every life is a learning lesson, I`ve learned a lot from this. I know the first time is not always your fault. But the second time, if I do this again, this time it`s my fault.
BEHAR: Are you still a Jehovah`s Witness?
JACKSON: No, I`m not. I`m very spiritual, but I`m not Jehovah Witness but I believe in God.
But I will say this and I`ll turn this thing back to my brother --
BEHAR: I have to go. One more thing, go ahead.
JACKSON: I know. But I want to say something, follow the money trail, if you`re dealing with Michael. All of these people are the people -- they`re afraid of me. They`re afraid what I know, what I might say. That`s their problem.
BEHAR: Are you scared? Aren`t you scared?
JACKSON: Why are they complaining about me being on a show promoting a book that has to do -- that was written before Michael passed and Michael approved of the book. He loved it.
BEHAR: Well, you`re accusing them so they`re defending themselves. That`s all -- in public.
JACKSON: I`m not accusing them. I`m just saying that -- I`m telling you what my brother told me.
BEHAR: You`re saying there`s a conspiracy to kill Michael and you --
JACKSON: That`s what Michael told me. My mother. And there was a conspiracy. Once you read the book, you will understand everything. It puts everything together.
BEHAR: Ok.
JACKSON: And it`s like, oh, now I get it.
BEHAR: All right. La Toya, always a pleasure to have you on the show.
JACKSON: Thank you.
BEHAR: Her book is called "Starting Over" and it`s out now.
We`ll be right back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/22/joy.01.html
It's like they don't get that MICHAEL picked these people to run his affairs and they did what they were supposed to do. Michael had plenty of chances from 2002-2009 to change his will and he knew exactly what was in it. He wouldn't treat that lightly. I guess Latoya has no interest in seeing cirque de soleil since she says "whatever that is" lol. It's the estate's job to protect the estate and make it financially strong especially for his kids. They don't like anything the estate does because they are not part of it and gain nothing financially.
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MsCassieMollie;3441988 said:
ivy;3442469 said:
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My God, I'm thinking in the trial of the Murray... what famíly of Michael will tell.... :doh: I'm afraid. :fear:
And I hope that the family was not doing brainwashing in PPB. passy001;3442169 said:
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MsCassieMollie
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Thanks for the transcript ivy.
maral
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Ben
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Thank you Ivy for posting that.
It's actually even worse than what I thought. Her speech is erratic, she doesnt finish her sentences, and mostly doesnt make much sense. I strongly believe she gets invited to these shows as an entertainment break for the audience. Let's have the simple minded sister. That's what she sounds like.
It's actually even worse than what I thought. Her speech is erratic, she doesnt finish her sentences, and mostly doesnt make much sense. I strongly believe she gets invited to these shows as an entertainment break for the audience. Let's have the simple minded sister. That's what she sounds like.
ExoticPrincess
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I see the transcript and I just don't care to read it, I am so over amything LaToya has to say, I'm just done.
Dr. Drew Transcript
Next, the Michael Jackson case is back just hours from now. Doctor Conrad is charged with men slaughter. We will be all over the trial. La Toya Jackson is here with us next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LA TOYA JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S SISTER: The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY: You lost your brother.
LA TOYA JACKSON: The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY (voice-over): One minute away, La Toya Jackson, Michael Jackson`s sister, is here just hours before lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray and the prosecution head to court.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the fact that he was put in the position I truly believe and no one can change my mind, I know this for a fact.
PINSKY: Tell me.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I believe that Dr. Murray was simply the fall guy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Dr. Conrad Murray`s attorneys are back in court tomorrow. HLN will be covering the trial of the man accused in the death of Michael Jackson. I sat down with Michael`s sister, La Toya, and I spoke about her new book "Starting Over." In it, she addresses the abusive relationship with her ex-husband. She says, it almost killed her, and she tells us what she thinks happened to her brother. And how Dr. Murray is, in fact, the fall guy for a major cover up. Watch this.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: He is one of the most successful and influential entertainers ever, she is his sister. Joining me now is La Toya Jackson. La Toya`s new book is "La Toya Starting Over." It is in stores now. La Toya, welcome. Let`s just start with something easy. Why did you write the book?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Drew, I started writing this book in 2008. And I kept putting it of and putting it off, and then finally, I just put it all together, because things kept coming up in my family. Things that were happened in the trial just kept coming up and things of that nature. So, I kept saying well, this is not the time because I don`t want the public to say she`s putting out because of this reason and that reason.
PINSKY: Got it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: So, I will just push it to the side. And then, now, it was appropriate time. And I said OK, why not? This is the time.
PINSKY: I`ve watched you from afar as well, and you strike me as somebody that`s had tremendous personal growth like in the last ten years. I mean, I kind of -- I don`t know where that came from or if you can talk about that, but I remember watching you back when you were married. My eye told me there was something terribly, terribly wrong.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Really?
PINSKY: Why do we start with that and tell us what was wrong.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Absolutely. That`s basically what starting over is about the book. It starts with relationships that people have. It is never too late to start over. Everybody can have the opportunity to start over, and I want him to know that. I was at a point in my life where I didn`t feel or think that I could start over because I was in such an abusive relationship.
PINSKY: And let`s talk about it, because those relationships, they just crush you. They crush your soul, they crush your spirit. right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Drew, that`s exactly what it -- I`m sorry. What it did to me was that my self-esteem, I had lost all of my self-esteem, my self-worth. And this is what people want you to do. The relationship started, it was very interesting, how it developed and how it happened, because --
PINSKY: Tell us.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, my mother wasn`t able to go with me to Japan, and she asked my father to go along. He wasn`t able to go along as well. So, they asked this guy to go along with me, Gordon, who went with me. When we got there, I was strictly religious. I was strictly Jehovah`s Witness. And I just trusted and believed everybody. And I just thought if you said something, it was the truth, because we were raised, and I was one of those devote over top --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I didn`t know that. Interesting.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And you associate only with each other, with Jehovah Witnesses. So, I didn`t know much about the outside world except for when you perform and you see them, and you hello, and then, you`re back into your religion.
PINSKY: Why do you think you became so hyper religious? Was there a reason for that?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, growing -- that`s all I knew growing up.
PINSKY: But were you searching for something and that you didn`t have, you know, in your relationships or your family that --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, we all had the opportunity to have that religious background, but myself, Michael and my sister -- my eldest sister, we`re the ones who really stuck with it and just through it all the way. We just believed in it more than anything else. And we felt that we wanted to do things that are proper and that were right and that was according to God, walking in the light of God.
PINSKY: OK. And so, here you are, hyper religious, very religious. You`re in Japan. You`re with this predator?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, he takes me to Japan, of course. And then, when I get there, he takes my passport, and he says you`re not going back home. And then, from there, he takes me to Europe and to -- this is how it all started.
PINSKY: You were kidnapped right away?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Right away. And I didn`t see it that way, because the way it was done all to me, I have my passport, oh, no I`ll hold on to it for you. That kind of thing. And then, I was like, do I get my passport back? No, you don`t get your passport. I hold on to it. This one thing kept leading to another, very --
PINSKY: As you talk about it, I remember you back then. You seemed so small and helpless, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: And you smile when I describe you that way. I`m seeing flashes of it as you talk about even being back here. It wasn`t -- it was scary for me to see you like that.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was frightening. I`m happy that you were able to see that, because, I didn`t know really what I was into until I was in it. And I didn`t know how far it would go, because I believed in trusting everything that people said, that he said. However, I was frightened, I was timid.
PINSKY: Did he brainwash you? He brainwashed you?
LA TOYA JACKSON: My mother can tell you that a million times over, that`s not my daughter. And it went as far as even going, even further than that, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Your mom had to contend with a lot. Your poor mom.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I mean, I forget the loss of children but just the life that her kids have all lived.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I know. Isn`t that something? It`s just so many of us and so many different personalities and so many roads of the lives --
PINSKY: Was she the anchor of the Jackson Family? She kept everybody glued together.
LA TOYA JACKSON: My mother was. Yes. My mother was the anchor. Absolutely.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And she`s a wonderful mother. And she`s a very strong lady.
PINSKY: Well, she had to have been. She survived all this.
LA TOYA JACKSON: People don`t. They say, oh, she`s so quiet and so timid and so thoughtful. My mother is very strong.
PINSKY: Had to have been (ph).
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: And your dad was not easy to contend with, I imagine.
LA TOYA JACKSON: My father is a very strong person. He`s a very -- he was a disciplinarian when we were growing up.
PINSKY: Now, we have some tape, this is actually Michael talking to Oprah about your dad and growing up. He had kind of a harsh story to tell. Do you remember this when he told her this?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, I do.
PINSKY: All right. Let`s take a look at it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I`ve seen it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: There`s a lot of sadness about my past life and adolescence and my father and all of those things. It just makes me very, very, very sad.
OPRAH WINFREY, HOST: So, he would tease you? Make fun of you?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.
WINFREY: Did he ever beat you?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes, he did.
WINFREY: And that was difficult to take getting beaten and going on stage and performing.
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Is that the father you knew or is that something you didn`t know what was happening?
LA TOYA JACKSON: No, no, no. That`s the father I knew. And I have to tell you, Drew, in all fairness, is that growing up, I think, as children, we see things differently.
PINSKY: Of course.
LA TOYA JACKSON: As we become adults, we see them completely different than we did as a child.
PINSKY: Of course.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And he was simply trying to discipline us. And that`s what he was doing. I think back then in those days, people really spanked their children. When you did something wrong, they would spank you. And that`s what my father did. And, I think it was normal back then. But, today, it`s unheard of.
I think that as he got older, he realized -- because during Michael`s last days, he really contacted my father and he wanted my father`s help for everything that he was doing. He wanted him to save him from a lot of these --
PINSKY: What do you think that was?
LA TOYA JACKSON: We understand our father. We know that our father was doing what he had to do --
PINSKY: But Michael was like my age practically, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Yes.
PINSKY: And so, he`s calling his dad to help him --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Right, because he was involved in a situation -- it was sort of like the situation -- actually, it is the same situation that I was involved with. And that`s why this book is called "Starting Over." Michael`s not able to start over, and I am.
PINSKY: Michael got some abusive relationships, too?
LA TOYA JACKSON: People controlling him, controlling his life, controlling his relationship or what he`s doing, and he wanted help. He reached out to my father knowing that my father would be the one to help him, because my father (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: Can you talk about that? Michael got sucked into -- and I think about Anna Nicole Smith and other people I`ve seen getting sucked into enmesh, you know, manipulative relationships. He`s another one, huh?
LA TOYA JACKSON: You get involved in it. It happens -- like you and I were speaking earlier, is that, you don`t realize that it`s happening to you until you`re so involved, you`re so into it.
PINSKY: My -- I went oh she`s had a ton of therapy. She had a bunch of therapy. So, between now, she must have a bunch of therapy, because you seem so, like, filled out. I mean, it`s like -- oh, that`s La Toya. I see where she is now. Have you had any professional help?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Very, very, very, very, very, little. I had therapy for probably one time, and then, a couple of sessions with --
PINSKY: That`s it? We got to get that therapist.
(LAUGHTER)
PINSKY: Did he have a wand or something? Let me ask this. What advice would you give women out there? I mean, if you can look down there with this camera saying (ph), you know, if you`re in an abusive relationship, here`s what I advise.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, that`s why I`ve written a book "Starting Over" because if you`re in a abusive relationship, any lady that`s out there, it`s never too late to start over, and I want you to know that if someone hits you one time, that`s one too many. You must get up and you must walk away. Don`t feel that you`re in a relationship and you have to suffer and stay there. You don`t have to. There`s help out there. There are shelters that you can go to. Please get away.
PINSKY: And let me add a couple of quote to that, which is "A" you`ve been robbed of your spirit and your esteem by the abusive the partner, and if they`ve hit you once, it doesn`t stop there. It just doesn`t. So, you better get come to terms with that now and get out of there before things get really bad.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I remember when the first time someone had known or saw that this was going on. It was the lady that worked for us. It was my (INAUDIBLE).
PINSKY: Wow.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And she came and she knocked on the door, and she said I`m here to pack your clothes because I was in Italy at the time he had beaten me that night. And the reason he had beaten me is because it had been six months, and I said it`s been six months? Can we get an annulment, and I was all excited about it.
He says are you insane, an annulment? And he grabbed my head and he started beating into the table. He says, I own you. I own you. Don`t you understand? I own you. You`re mine. I`ll never let you go. Are you insane?
PINSKY: Stay with me. How do you feel when you describe that now? You seem a little detached from it. It must have been awful.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was awful.
PINSKY: Do you disassociate when you`re going through it? You sort of disconnect from it like you`re out of body?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Because, before, I could never talk about this. I could never mention this. I would cry and cry and cry and cry. And now, I`ve overcome that now. I can speak about it, because when I speak about it, in my heart and soul, I feel that when you speak up and you speak out, you`re helping these women that are out there.
PINSKY: Right.
LA TOYA JACKSON: You`re helping them to understand. So, you`re speaking for them.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Forget about yourself. Forget about all the cries that you had. Those are passed. You`ve overcome that stage now, which I have, and I`m very grateful and thankful that I have because I could never -- I would just shake and cry. I don`t do that anymore.
PINSKY: Do you have romantic relationships now?
LA TOYA JACKSON: No.
PINSKY: Too scary? You`re afraid that`s going to happen again in?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, it`s not that it`s too scary. I`m so involved in my work and what I`m doing. If it`s happen, it will happen.
PINSKY: Don`t avoid it, because that`s one things other people do sometimes. When they up something like this, they go, I`m never doing that again. In fact, I`m going to stay alone for awhile. It`s the flipside of the same thing.
LA TOYA JACKSON: We put a wall up, don`t we?
PINSKY: We need intimacy. We need it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: You`re absolutely right, because when I left, I said I don`t like men. I hate men. And I`ll never be with a man again.
PINSKY: I beg your pardon?
(LAUGHTER)
LA TOYA JACKSON: That`s what I said during that time. But that was then, of course. And now, I think differently, of course, because I was so hurt. Really, I was so abused.
PINSKY: One thing I will tell you and this is for other women out there, too, is that you will find, if you`re super attracted to someone, be careful.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: Because we know that about you. You`re attracted to people that tend to abuse.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Exactly.
PINSKY: So, go for somebody who is a little more boring if you have a history of being with abusive guys. Seriously. That if you command and --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, of course.
PINSKY: somebody that not so uber exciting.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: A brief note here, HLN cannot confirm nor deny any allegations La Toya made about her ex-husband.
All right. Now, coming up, La Toya is going to talk about the death of her brother, Michael Jackson. And she explains why Michael told her that people in his inner circle wanted to kill him. You have to hear that.
Also, is Dr. Murray to blame for what happened? She`ll address that. Stay with us.
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PINSKY: In the second half of my interview with La Toya, she gets emotional talking about the passing of her brother and how the family misses Michael. And then, she talks about the upcoming trial and how Conrad Murray, perhaps, is just the fall guy. And she explains why people wanted Michael dead. Let`s take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: All right. Let`s switch gears a little bit. You have an interesting theory about Michael and how he died and Conrad Murray`s involvement of that. I want to show a little bit of tape to the audience about Dr. Murray and his apology. Let`s see what this looks like, and then, we`ll go from there.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Dr. CONRAD MURRAY, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DOCTOR: As long as I keep God in my heart and you in my life, I will be fine. I have done all I could do. I told the truth. And I have faith the truth will prevail.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: I don`t know how you feel about him. I actually feel sorry for him. I think he got himself into a gigantic mess from the beginning, and it was out of grid, you know? He wasn`t using good judgment, but it`s a mess. You think differently.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Dr. Drew, I agree with you. I really do. I agree with you. I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the fact that he was put in the position. I truly believe and no one can change my mind, I know this for a fact.
PINSKY: Tell me.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I believe that Dr. Murray was simply the fall guy. There are so many other people involved in this, and they used Dr. Murray, and he didn`t realize he was being used. And that`s what I believe. He just happened to be there when this was happening, when this took place.
PINSKY: You know, it`s funny. I almost feel like we`re saying the same thing. So, how do you see him having been used?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I see him being used as a tool.
PINSKY: In other words, by setting him up to just do whatever with medicines and drugs, the outcome was inevitable and everyone knew it? Or they were encouraging him to give more --
LA TOYA JACKSON: I think it works in various ways.
PINSKY: Subtle, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I think it`s all of the things that you`re saying, actually, that you`re speaking of. He was there, and they allowed it to happen. Let me ask you a question. If you have someone who`s going on tour, that you`re going to do a massive tour with, and you take him to a doctor, and you make sure that he`s examined, he`s OK. If you had a doctor there, and this guy is going to make you millions and millions and millions of dollars almost in the billions, of course.
PINSKY: That`s what -- for the concert promoters.
LA TOYA JACKSON: For the concert promoters.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And here`s this guy. And this doctor say, you would tell that doctor if he asks for anything, don`t you dare give him anything. Your job is to watch over him and don`t give him anything.
PINSKY: They did exactly the opposite.
LA TOYA JACKSON: They did the --
PINSKY: Right.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Michael didn`t ask for anything, actually. They were administering it to him. You`ve got to sleep. You`ve got to rest.
PINSKY: Interesting.
LA TOYA JACKSON: This is what they were doing.
PINSKY: You seem very upset when you think about it and talk about it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, no, it hurts me, because my brother should be with us here today, at this very moment. And these people knew what they were doing.
PINSKY: Is it a conspiracy?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: They intended to harm him?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Absolutely.
PINSKY: Towards what end?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Absolutely. They intended to harm him simply because they knew that Michael was worth more dead than alive. They knew - -
PINSKY: How would they get their hands on that?
LA TOYA JACKSON: He told me repeatedly, La Toya, they`re going to kill me.
PINSKY: They? Did he specify who?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, he did.
PINSKY: Oh, my.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, he did.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: What did you do?
LA TOYA JACKSON: When he first told me the very first time, I said, Michael, who? I said, first of all, you`re Michael Jackson. No one would ever do that. He goes La Toya, you`ve got to listen to me, and he explained everything. He says they`re after my catalogs. They`re after my --
PINSKY: Are we going to hear about that in the Conrad Murray trial, do you think? Those kinds of theories?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I would love to hear about that, but no, they`re overlooking. But everything is right here in this book, "Starting Over."
PINSKY: Do you love Michael?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Intensely. I miss him so much. You have no idea. Yes. The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY: You lost your brother.
LA TOYA JACKSON: The world lost an incredible guy. And our family -- I lost a brother that you guys will never be able to understand. A heart. Michael had the best heart of anybody in the entire world. A loving person, a kind person, a generous person, a caring person. He cared about the sick. He cared about anybody that wasn`t healthy.
PINSKY: Would you share that, those moments? Would you say, you know, I feel like I pretty understand things --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, absolutely, and he knew that. And he knew that.
PINSKY: Well, you mentioned his children. Certainly, they seem like great kids. We actually have some footage of Paris at your brother`s funeral speaking about him.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PARIS JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DAUGHTER: I just want to say ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just wanted to say I love him. So much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Oh, just so hard to watch that.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was.
PINSKY: How`s she doing now?
LA TOYA JACKSON: She`s doing very well. Very well. Kids are resilient.
PINSKY: Yes, but it leaves scars, you know, the staff.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It does leave scars. Absolutely. It really does, but she`s doing very well. She`s doing a lot better. I have a tendency to watch them. I watch them very carefully, very closely. I watch their mannerisms.
PINSKY: Do you visit frequently?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, I do. Yes, I do, because I know that, you know, we can think that they`re resilient and may bounce back, but sometimes, you know, there are things that are troubling and bothering people.
PINSKY: It has to. Well, thank you, La Toya, it has really been a pleasure. The book is called "La Toya Jackson: Starting Over." It is in stores and Amazon, of course. Go out and get it And we`ll be back after this.
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Next, the Michael Jackson case is back just hours from now. Doctor Conrad is charged with men slaughter. We will be all over the trial. La Toya Jackson is here with us next.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LA TOYA JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S SISTER: The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY: You lost your brother.
LA TOYA JACKSON: The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY (voice-over): One minute away, La Toya Jackson, Michael Jackson`s sister, is here just hours before lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray and the prosecution head to court.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the fact that he was put in the position I truly believe and no one can change my mind, I know this for a fact.
PINSKY: Tell me.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I believe that Dr. Murray was simply the fall guy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Dr. Conrad Murray`s attorneys are back in court tomorrow. HLN will be covering the trial of the man accused in the death of Michael Jackson. I sat down with Michael`s sister, La Toya, and I spoke about her new book "Starting Over." In it, she addresses the abusive relationship with her ex-husband. She says, it almost killed her, and she tells us what she thinks happened to her brother. And how Dr. Murray is, in fact, the fall guy for a major cover up. Watch this.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: He is one of the most successful and influential entertainers ever, she is his sister. Joining me now is La Toya Jackson. La Toya`s new book is "La Toya Starting Over." It is in stores now. La Toya, welcome. Let`s just start with something easy. Why did you write the book?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Drew, I started writing this book in 2008. And I kept putting it of and putting it off, and then finally, I just put it all together, because things kept coming up in my family. Things that were happened in the trial just kept coming up and things of that nature. So, I kept saying well, this is not the time because I don`t want the public to say she`s putting out because of this reason and that reason.
PINSKY: Got it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: So, I will just push it to the side. And then, now, it was appropriate time. And I said OK, why not? This is the time.
PINSKY: I`ve watched you from afar as well, and you strike me as somebody that`s had tremendous personal growth like in the last ten years. I mean, I kind of -- I don`t know where that came from or if you can talk about that, but I remember watching you back when you were married. My eye told me there was something terribly, terribly wrong.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Really?
PINSKY: Why do we start with that and tell us what was wrong.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Absolutely. That`s basically what starting over is about the book. It starts with relationships that people have. It is never too late to start over. Everybody can have the opportunity to start over, and I want him to know that. I was at a point in my life where I didn`t feel or think that I could start over because I was in such an abusive relationship.
PINSKY: And let`s talk about it, because those relationships, they just crush you. They crush your soul, they crush your spirit. right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Drew, that`s exactly what it -- I`m sorry. What it did to me was that my self-esteem, I had lost all of my self-esteem, my self-worth. And this is what people want you to do. The relationship started, it was very interesting, how it developed and how it happened, because --
PINSKY: Tell us.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, my mother wasn`t able to go with me to Japan, and she asked my father to go along. He wasn`t able to go along as well. So, they asked this guy to go along with me, Gordon, who went with me. When we got there, I was strictly religious. I was strictly Jehovah`s Witness. And I just trusted and believed everybody. And I just thought if you said something, it was the truth, because we were raised, and I was one of those devote over top --
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I didn`t know that. Interesting.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And you associate only with each other, with Jehovah Witnesses. So, I didn`t know much about the outside world except for when you perform and you see them, and you hello, and then, you`re back into your religion.
PINSKY: Why do you think you became so hyper religious? Was there a reason for that?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, growing -- that`s all I knew growing up.
PINSKY: But were you searching for something and that you didn`t have, you know, in your relationships or your family that --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, we all had the opportunity to have that religious background, but myself, Michael and my sister -- my eldest sister, we`re the ones who really stuck with it and just through it all the way. We just believed in it more than anything else. And we felt that we wanted to do things that are proper and that were right and that was according to God, walking in the light of God.
PINSKY: OK. And so, here you are, hyper religious, very religious. You`re in Japan. You`re with this predator?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, he takes me to Japan, of course. And then, when I get there, he takes my passport, and he says you`re not going back home. And then, from there, he takes me to Europe and to -- this is how it all started.
PINSKY: You were kidnapped right away?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Right away. And I didn`t see it that way, because the way it was done all to me, I have my passport, oh, no I`ll hold on to it for you. That kind of thing. And then, I was like, do I get my passport back? No, you don`t get your passport. I hold on to it. This one thing kept leading to another, very --
PINSKY: As you talk about it, I remember you back then. You seemed so small and helpless, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: And you smile when I describe you that way. I`m seeing flashes of it as you talk about even being back here. It wasn`t -- it was scary for me to see you like that.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was frightening. I`m happy that you were able to see that, because, I didn`t know really what I was into until I was in it. And I didn`t know how far it would go, because I believed in trusting everything that people said, that he said. However, I was frightened, I was timid.
PINSKY: Did he brainwash you? He brainwashed you?
LA TOYA JACKSON: My mother can tell you that a million times over, that`s not my daughter. And it went as far as even going, even further than that, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Your mom had to contend with a lot. Your poor mom.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: I mean, I forget the loss of children but just the life that her kids have all lived.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I know. Isn`t that something? It`s just so many of us and so many different personalities and so many roads of the lives --
PINSKY: Was she the anchor of the Jackson Family? She kept everybody glued together.
LA TOYA JACKSON: My mother was. Yes. My mother was the anchor. Absolutely.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And she`s a wonderful mother. And she`s a very strong lady.
PINSKY: Well, she had to have been. She survived all this.
LA TOYA JACKSON: People don`t. They say, oh, she`s so quiet and so timid and so thoughtful. My mother is very strong.
PINSKY: Had to have been (ph).
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: And your dad was not easy to contend with, I imagine.
LA TOYA JACKSON: My father is a very strong person. He`s a very -- he was a disciplinarian when we were growing up.
PINSKY: Now, we have some tape, this is actually Michael talking to Oprah about your dad and growing up. He had kind of a harsh story to tell. Do you remember this when he told her this?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, I do.
PINSKY: All right. Let`s take a look at it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I`ve seen it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: There`s a lot of sadness about my past life and adolescence and my father and all of those things. It just makes me very, very, very sad.
OPRAH WINFREY, HOST: So, he would tease you? Make fun of you?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.
WINFREY: Did he ever beat you?
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes, he did.
WINFREY: And that was difficult to take getting beaten and going on stage and performing.
MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Is that the father you knew or is that something you didn`t know what was happening?
LA TOYA JACKSON: No, no, no. That`s the father I knew. And I have to tell you, Drew, in all fairness, is that growing up, I think, as children, we see things differently.
PINSKY: Of course.
LA TOYA JACKSON: As we become adults, we see them completely different than we did as a child.
PINSKY: Of course.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And he was simply trying to discipline us. And that`s what he was doing. I think back then in those days, people really spanked their children. When you did something wrong, they would spank you. And that`s what my father did. And, I think it was normal back then. But, today, it`s unheard of.
I think that as he got older, he realized -- because during Michael`s last days, he really contacted my father and he wanted my father`s help for everything that he was doing. He wanted him to save him from a lot of these --
PINSKY: What do you think that was?
LA TOYA JACKSON: We understand our father. We know that our father was doing what he had to do --
PINSKY: But Michael was like my age practically, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Yes.
PINSKY: And so, he`s calling his dad to help him --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Right, because he was involved in a situation -- it was sort of like the situation -- actually, it is the same situation that I was involved with. And that`s why this book is called "Starting Over." Michael`s not able to start over, and I am.
PINSKY: Michael got some abusive relationships, too?
LA TOYA JACKSON: People controlling him, controlling his life, controlling his relationship or what he`s doing, and he wanted help. He reached out to my father knowing that my father would be the one to help him, because my father (INAUDIBLE)
PINSKY: Can you talk about that? Michael got sucked into -- and I think about Anna Nicole Smith and other people I`ve seen getting sucked into enmesh, you know, manipulative relationships. He`s another one, huh?
LA TOYA JACKSON: You get involved in it. It happens -- like you and I were speaking earlier, is that, you don`t realize that it`s happening to you until you`re so involved, you`re so into it.
PINSKY: My -- I went oh she`s had a ton of therapy. She had a bunch of therapy. So, between now, she must have a bunch of therapy, because you seem so, like, filled out. I mean, it`s like -- oh, that`s La Toya. I see where she is now. Have you had any professional help?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Very, very, very, very, very, little. I had therapy for probably one time, and then, a couple of sessions with --
PINSKY: That`s it? We got to get that therapist.
(LAUGHTER)
PINSKY: Did he have a wand or something? Let me ask this. What advice would you give women out there? I mean, if you can look down there with this camera saying (ph), you know, if you`re in an abusive relationship, here`s what I advise.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, that`s why I`ve written a book "Starting Over" because if you`re in a abusive relationship, any lady that`s out there, it`s never too late to start over, and I want you to know that if someone hits you one time, that`s one too many. You must get up and you must walk away. Don`t feel that you`re in a relationship and you have to suffer and stay there. You don`t have to. There`s help out there. There are shelters that you can go to. Please get away.
PINSKY: And let me add a couple of quote to that, which is "A" you`ve been robbed of your spirit and your esteem by the abusive the partner, and if they`ve hit you once, it doesn`t stop there. It just doesn`t. So, you better get come to terms with that now and get out of there before things get really bad.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I remember when the first time someone had known or saw that this was going on. It was the lady that worked for us. It was my (INAUDIBLE).
PINSKY: Wow.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And she came and she knocked on the door, and she said I`m here to pack your clothes because I was in Italy at the time he had beaten me that night. And the reason he had beaten me is because it had been six months, and I said it`s been six months? Can we get an annulment, and I was all excited about it.
He says are you insane, an annulment? And he grabbed my head and he started beating into the table. He says, I own you. I own you. Don`t you understand? I own you. You`re mine. I`ll never let you go. Are you insane?
PINSKY: Stay with me. How do you feel when you describe that now? You seem a little detached from it. It must have been awful.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was awful.
PINSKY: Do you disassociate when you`re going through it? You sort of disconnect from it like you`re out of body?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Because, before, I could never talk about this. I could never mention this. I would cry and cry and cry and cry. And now, I`ve overcome that now. I can speak about it, because when I speak about it, in my heart and soul, I feel that when you speak up and you speak out, you`re helping these women that are out there.
PINSKY: Right.
LA TOYA JACKSON: You`re helping them to understand. So, you`re speaking for them.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Forget about yourself. Forget about all the cries that you had. Those are passed. You`ve overcome that stage now, which I have, and I`m very grateful and thankful that I have because I could never -- I would just shake and cry. I don`t do that anymore.
PINSKY: Do you have romantic relationships now?
LA TOYA JACKSON: No.
PINSKY: Too scary? You`re afraid that`s going to happen again in?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, it`s not that it`s too scary. I`m so involved in my work and what I`m doing. If it`s happen, it will happen.
PINSKY: Don`t avoid it, because that`s one things other people do sometimes. When they up something like this, they go, I`m never doing that again. In fact, I`m going to stay alone for awhile. It`s the flipside of the same thing.
LA TOYA JACKSON: We put a wall up, don`t we?
PINSKY: We need intimacy. We need it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: You`re absolutely right, because when I left, I said I don`t like men. I hate men. And I`ll never be with a man again.
PINSKY: I beg your pardon?
(LAUGHTER)
LA TOYA JACKSON: That`s what I said during that time. But that was then, of course. And now, I think differently, of course, because I was so hurt. Really, I was so abused.
PINSKY: One thing I will tell you and this is for other women out there, too, is that you will find, if you`re super attracted to someone, be careful.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: Because we know that about you. You`re attracted to people that tend to abuse.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Exactly.
PINSKY: So, go for somebody who is a little more boring if you have a history of being with abusive guys. Seriously. That if you command and --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, of course.
PINSKY: somebody that not so uber exciting.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: A brief note here, HLN cannot confirm nor deny any allegations La Toya made about her ex-husband.
All right. Now, coming up, La Toya is going to talk about the death of her brother, Michael Jackson. And she explains why Michael told her that people in his inner circle wanted to kill him. You have to hear that.
Also, is Dr. Murray to blame for what happened? She`ll address that. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PINSKY: In the second half of my interview with La Toya, she gets emotional talking about the passing of her brother and how the family misses Michael. And then, she talks about the upcoming trial and how Conrad Murray, perhaps, is just the fall guy. And she explains why people wanted Michael dead. Let`s take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
PINSKY: All right. Let`s switch gears a little bit. You have an interesting theory about Michael and how he died and Conrad Murray`s involvement of that. I want to show a little bit of tape to the audience about Dr. Murray and his apology. Let`s see what this looks like, and then, we`ll go from there.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
Dr. CONRAD MURRAY, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DOCTOR: As long as I keep God in my heart and you in my life, I will be fine. I have done all I could do. I told the truth. And I have faith the truth will prevail.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: I don`t know how you feel about him. I actually feel sorry for him. I think he got himself into a gigantic mess from the beginning, and it was out of grid, you know? He wasn`t using good judgment, but it`s a mess. You think differently.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Dr. Drew, I agree with you. I really do. I agree with you. I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the fact that he was put in the position. I truly believe and no one can change my mind, I know this for a fact.
PINSKY: Tell me.
LA TOYA JACKSON: I believe that Dr. Murray was simply the fall guy. There are so many other people involved in this, and they used Dr. Murray, and he didn`t realize he was being used. And that`s what I believe. He just happened to be there when this was happening, when this took place.
PINSKY: You know, it`s funny. I almost feel like we`re saying the same thing. So, how do you see him having been used?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I see him being used as a tool.
PINSKY: In other words, by setting him up to just do whatever with medicines and drugs, the outcome was inevitable and everyone knew it? Or they were encouraging him to give more --
LA TOYA JACKSON: I think it works in various ways.
PINSKY: Subtle, right?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I think it`s all of the things that you`re saying, actually, that you`re speaking of. He was there, and they allowed it to happen. Let me ask you a question. If you have someone who`s going on tour, that you`re going to do a massive tour with, and you take him to a doctor, and you make sure that he`s examined, he`s OK. If you had a doctor there, and this guy is going to make you millions and millions and millions of dollars almost in the billions, of course.
PINSKY: That`s what -- for the concert promoters.
LA TOYA JACKSON: For the concert promoters.
PINSKY: Yes.
LA TOYA JACKSON: And here`s this guy. And this doctor say, you would tell that doctor if he asks for anything, don`t you dare give him anything. Your job is to watch over him and don`t give him anything.
PINSKY: They did exactly the opposite.
LA TOYA JACKSON: They did the --
PINSKY: Right.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Michael didn`t ask for anything, actually. They were administering it to him. You`ve got to sleep. You`ve got to rest.
PINSKY: Interesting.
LA TOYA JACKSON: This is what they were doing.
PINSKY: You seem very upset when you think about it and talk about it.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Well, no, it hurts me, because my brother should be with us here today, at this very moment. And these people knew what they were doing.
PINSKY: Is it a conspiracy?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes.
PINSKY: They intended to harm him?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes. Absolutely.
PINSKY: Towards what end?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Absolutely. They intended to harm him simply because they knew that Michael was worth more dead than alive. They knew - -
PINSKY: How would they get their hands on that?
LA TOYA JACKSON: He told me repeatedly, La Toya, they`re going to kill me.
PINSKY: They? Did he specify who?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, he did.
PINSKY: Oh, my.
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, he did.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: What did you do?
LA TOYA JACKSON: When he first told me the very first time, I said, Michael, who? I said, first of all, you`re Michael Jackson. No one would ever do that. He goes La Toya, you`ve got to listen to me, and he explained everything. He says they`re after my catalogs. They`re after my --
PINSKY: Are we going to hear about that in the Conrad Murray trial, do you think? Those kinds of theories?
LA TOYA JACKSON: I would love to hear about that, but no, they`re overlooking. But everything is right here in this book, "Starting Over."
PINSKY: Do you love Michael?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Intensely. I miss him so much. You have no idea. Yes. The world lost an incredible guy.
PINSKY: You lost your brother.
LA TOYA JACKSON: The world lost an incredible guy. And our family -- I lost a brother that you guys will never be able to understand. A heart. Michael had the best heart of anybody in the entire world. A loving person, a kind person, a generous person, a caring person. He cared about the sick. He cared about anybody that wasn`t healthy.
PINSKY: Would you share that, those moments? Would you say, you know, I feel like I pretty understand things --
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, absolutely, and he knew that. And he knew that.
PINSKY: Well, you mentioned his children. Certainly, they seem like great kids. We actually have some footage of Paris at your brother`s funeral speaking about him.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PARIS JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S DAUGHTER: I just want to say ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just wanted to say I love him. So much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Oh, just so hard to watch that.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It was.
PINSKY: How`s she doing now?
LA TOYA JACKSON: She`s doing very well. Very well. Kids are resilient.
PINSKY: Yes, but it leaves scars, you know, the staff.
LA TOYA JACKSON: It does leave scars. Absolutely. It really does, but she`s doing very well. She`s doing a lot better. I have a tendency to watch them. I watch them very carefully, very closely. I watch their mannerisms.
PINSKY: Do you visit frequently?
LA TOYA JACKSON: Yes, I do. Yes, I do, because I know that, you know, we can think that they`re resilient and may bounce back, but sometimes, you know, there are things that are troubling and bothering people.
PINSKY: It has to. Well, thank you, La Toya, it has really been a pleasure. The book is called "La Toya Jackson: Starting Over." It is in stores and Amazon, of course. Go out and get it And we`ll be back after this.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/19/ddhln.01.html
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She has the same mindset as Joe
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But she didn't give any names in the book. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Latoya definitely needs to go to therapy but it shouldn't be a therapy for abuse survivors. Latoya obviously has a lot of issues with herself and the world, regardless of the alleged abuse she supposedly suffered at the hands of Gordon, she's been this way since forever. And her constant remarks about the will, Murray and everything else have nothing to do with her years with Jack Gordon IMHO.
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No. She will not say names. It will only be in this endless bla bla bla. :doh: I'm still surprised as she is still invited to these interviews and people want to hear it. It's a lot of bla bla bla that not going anywhere.
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I don't really like the things La Toya and the rest of the fam do at times but, that doesn't mean that I will ignore what happen to MJ in his life/career and what he said was goin on himself a few yrs ago about a conspiracy do to certain folks he knew of in the business and others!
So I do believe there was a conspiracy on MJ cause he sure as hell wouldn't have been accused of those allegations the way he was by those shady ass people lookin for money and fame. And there were certainly people after his catalog cause he said so himself. He said so during the trial, yes...but, that doesn't mean he let that go.
It could have been something he definitely still thought about, especially because he tried to investigate certain people. But, perhaps because he didn't find the certain evidence he was looking for, he then hired those very same people for whatever reason? Which is obviously confusing some fans which don't let them think those people are bad guys cause it look like MJ forgave them or something?
But, for me everyone is suspicious, I don't trust non of their asses. But, someone like Branca is good at what he does so it could have been a business decision only to hire him back. But, I don't think MJ trusted him as a friend anymore after he accused him of stealing money and had him investigated. I mean how do u repair a personal relationship after something like that? So, Like I said business is business and maybe that's what MJ let it be at the end, only?
See, I never like the fact that Branca was representing MJ and Sony at the same time without MJ's knowledge. And obviously MJ didn't either. I also don't like the fact that the very year MJ was suppose to get everything back to him 100% (his catalog) he ends up dead. How fuckin convenient, no? That really pisses me off! It's like MJ never had a chance and Sony sure ass hell did everything in there power to to make it happen since MJ thought he would have gotten it sooner but, something in his contract with Sony made him have to wait even ,longer! blah! See no matter how much MJ family annoys me and are probably just as shady, I won't and will not ignore these things that were done to MJ by others! But, at the same time in no way do I think Murray is a fall guy and can't say that Branca would want to kill MJ like la toya is saying. Especially, when u have a guy like Thome Thome being totally ignored and who had threaten MJ and the whole Jackson family walking around like he did nothing!
All I do know is no one is innocent here.
They all so damn shady, poor mike.
So I do believe there was a conspiracy on MJ cause he sure as hell wouldn't have been accused of those allegations the way he was by those shady ass people lookin for money and fame. And there were certainly people after his catalog cause he said so himself. He said so during the trial, yes...but, that doesn't mean he let that go.
It could have been something he definitely still thought about, especially because he tried to investigate certain people. But, perhaps because he didn't find the certain evidence he was looking for, he then hired those very same people for whatever reason? Which is obviously confusing some fans which don't let them think those people are bad guys cause it look like MJ forgave them or something?
But, for me everyone is suspicious, I don't trust non of their asses. But, someone like Branca is good at what he does so it could have been a business decision only to hire him back. But, I don't think MJ trusted him as a friend anymore after he accused him of stealing money and had him investigated. I mean how do u repair a personal relationship after something like that? So, Like I said business is business and maybe that's what MJ let it be at the end, only?
See, I never like the fact that Branca was representing MJ and Sony at the same time without MJ's knowledge. And obviously MJ didn't either. I also don't like the fact that the very year MJ was suppose to get everything back to him 100% (his catalog) he ends up dead.
How fuckin convenient, no? That really pisses me off! It's like MJ never had a chance and Sony sure ass hell did everything in there power to to make it happen since MJ thought he would have gotten it sooner but, something in his contract with Sony made him have to wait even ,longer! blah! See no matter how much MJ family annoys me and are probably just as shady, I won't and will not ignore these things that were done to MJ by others! But, at the same time in no way do I think Murray is a fall guy and can't say that Branca would want to kill MJ like la toya is saying. Especially, when u have a guy like Thome Thome being totally ignored and who had threaten MJ and the whole Jackson family walking around like he did nothing! All I do know is no one is innocent here.
They all so damn shady, poor mike.
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I'm really tired of this nutcase. Pretty sure even the talk-show hosts are taking her for a ride right now, and laughing behind the back at her lunacy.
The Church of Latoya website is giving away the umpteenth copy for free on twitter, and announcing there's more. You know they had to buy like 1,000,000 copies to keep the book from getting branded a total failure. And it's still a failure lol.
The Church of Latoya website is giving away the umpteenth copy for free on twitter, and announcing there's more. You know they had to buy like 1,000,000 copies to keep the book from getting branded a total failure. And it's still a failure lol.
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I don't really like the things La Toya and the rest of the fam do at times but, that doesn't mean that I will ignore what happen to MJ in his life/career and what he said was goin on himself a few yrs ago about a conspiracy do to certain folks he knew of in the business and others!
So I do believe there was a conspiracy on MJ cause he sure as hell wouldn't have been accused of those allegations the way he was by those shady ass people lookin for money and fame. And there were certainly people after his catalog cause he said so himself. He said so during the trial, yes...but, that doesn't mean he let that go.
It could have been something he definitely still thought about, especially because he tried to investigate certain people. But, perhaps because he didn't find the certain evidence he was looking for, he then hired those very same people for whatever reason? Which is obviously confusing some fans which don't let them think those people are bad guys cause it look like MJ forgave them or something?
But, for me everyone is suspicious, I don't trust non of their asses. But, someone like Branca is good at what he does so it could have been a business decision only to hire him back. But, I don't think MJ trusted him as a friend anymore after he accused him of stealing money and had him investigated. I mean how do u repair a personal relationship after something like that? So, Like I said business is business and maybe that's what MJ let it be at the end, only?
See, I never like the fact that Branca was representing MJ and Sony at the same time without MJ's knowledge. And obviously MJ didn't either. I also don't like the fact that the very year MJ was suppose to get everything back to him 100% (his catalog) he ends up dead.
All I do know is no one is innocent here.
They all so damn shady, poor mike.
Michael Jackson was never going to recieve the ATV calalog back 100% unless he would buy out Sony's half ownership. That is a partnership and MJ never lost his part. He just had loans aganst it that needed paid off and estate has renegotiated those loans to better terms now. MJ owns his Mijack catalog (His own music) strait out 100% and Branca stated that MIjack catalog will always reamain 100% with Estate. and that the Michael's half in Sony ATV is NOT for sale
Now I think Sony does own some rights to some of MJ music was to revert back to him and hs death would not stop that. Any contract in place would still be viable even after his death. Im not sure what all that entails. fans spread so many rumors Do you have any info on that. I would be interested in seeing it.
Latoya keeps making claims that he was killed for his Catalog. but we all know Michael estate (The childrens Estate) Owns the 1/2 ATV and Mijack Catalog. John branca doesnt own it. He just manages the Estate. But Latoya with that
claim is clearly pointing at the executers. Jacksons want a piece of the Estate. Michael was very wise in how he set that up.
Thome doesnt own have access to the catalogs so what does he have to gain. Sony cant get MJs half of the catalog. I know MJ was worried about consiracy at the time of his trial. but much of that had been resolved. And MJ WAS working
with Sony Again. The people MJ had probs with are no longer there. MJ even went to a private award cerimony in Feb 2008 to recieve an Award for Thriller from SONY it was touted as a business meeting, but it is spoken of in Raymone Bains past law suite and another legal document. I cant remember which one . Sony was also doing all his PR work for the TII concert. via Michaeljackson.com. Seems to me if Michael was all that concerned for his life in 2008-2009 he wouldnt have been working with them.
The Only people that will really gain from The ATV Catalog Latoya claims MJ was killed for is Paris Prince and Blanket when they come of age. Michael set it up that way .. and estate is just following out his wishes.
Now what if there was no will found then Jacksons would be running Estate would they then be implicated in murder for having possesion .. by the same rule of follow the money and they were better off with MJ dead. You best believe the conspiracy theorist would now be going after the Jacksons becuase they have to blame someone.
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A very enlightening read -- http://muzikfactorytwo.blogspot.com/2011/07/latoya-jackson-is-lying-leech-view.html
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Sorry for the confusion! But, I'm not getting nothing from Toya. all she did was remind me of what I read online somewhere about this issue a few yrs ago. MJ was allegedly suppose to get some music that would belong to him in his name 100% that he was looking forward too could have been MIJAC? But, there was a clause in the Sony contract that he tried to fight or wasn't aware of so he had to wait longer for them like 7yrs or something and he wasn't happy about it. Which I also read was part of the reason he was publicly fighting with Sony during the invincible album too?! But, I could be wrong about this particular info?
But, I myself would like more info about it if anyone else knows anything?! Also I know a death won't stop a contract but, with him no longer here he wouldn't have control to do what he wanted with that music all to himself. U know, like he once did with the Beatles songs when they were just his like selling them for commercials and such.
Not trying to start any rumor or drama....just tryin to understand things here....too!
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Oh NO, I am sorry but I could only read a little part of the transcript, and then I had to stop. I really cannot take her nonsense. I really congratulate those of you who could sit through that interview and God bless the transcriber. What a nutcase.
Over the course of 2 years we heard the following: Murray is a fall guy, she knows who did it, she does not know because she was not there, Murray was part of it, I feel sorry for Murray, it was a conspiracy, Branca was part of the conspiracy, Branca was not involved.
All she is doing is putting doubts in people's and haters minds that Murray is guilty. I am telling you guys when the day of the verdict comes and I go to the court house, if Murray is found not guilty and I see Latoya, a lot of nasty words will come from my mouth.
Over the course of 2 years we heard the following: Murray is a fall guy, she knows who did it, she does not know because she was not there, Murray was part of it, I feel sorry for Murray, it was a conspiracy, Branca was part of the conspiracy, Branca was not involved.
All she is doing is putting doubts in people's and haters minds that Murray is guilty. I am telling you guys when the day of the verdict comes and I go to the court house, if Murray is found not guilty and I see Latoya, a lot of nasty words will come from my mouth.
@bluetopez
It wasn't the ownership of the catalog or the masters. It's only about the mechanical copyrights.
Let me explain. As Michael got out of his deal with Sony early, his contract conditions wasn't satisfied. So Sony got mechanical copyrights - which means that they could repackage and release his back catalog (already released songs). We have heard that his mechanical copyright was to revert back to Michael - but we also heard multiple different years such as 2009 , 2011 , 2012 and 2015. With current deal with Sony this rights are extended to 2017.
Let's be clear about 2 things
- even if Sony had the mechanical copyright and released best of albums, Michael got his royalties and (intellectual) copyrights from any album sold. We don't know the details, assuming the worst even if the control of what's being released wasn't at Michael, he was still getting paid.
- if mechanical rights reverted to Michael it would mean that technically he would have complete control of what to release and when from his back catalog and would not need to share the profits with Sony. Realistically even if he wanted to re-release his back catalog, he would probably had to come to an agreement with another record company and still share some profits with them.
and as you also said such rights isn't lost with death. they just passed on MJ Estate now.
It wasn't the ownership of the catalog or the masters. It's only about the mechanical copyrights.
Let me explain. As Michael got out of his deal with Sony early, his contract conditions wasn't satisfied. So Sony got mechanical copyrights - which means that they could repackage and release his back catalog (already released songs). We have heard that his mechanical copyright was to revert back to Michael - but we also heard multiple different years such as 2009 , 2011 , 2012 and 2015. With current deal with Sony this rights are extended to 2017.
Let's be clear about 2 things
- even if Sony had the mechanical copyright and released best of albums, Michael got his royalties and (intellectual) copyrights from any album sold. We don't know the details, assuming the worst even if the control of what's being released wasn't at Michael, he was still getting paid.
- if mechanical rights reverted to Michael it would mean that technically he would have complete control of what to release and when from his back catalog and would not need to share the profits with Sony. Realistically even if he wanted to re-release his back catalog, he would probably had to come to an agreement with another record company and still share some profits with them.
and as you also said such rights isn't lost with death. they just passed on MJ Estate now.
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Thanks, I guess I should have known this with complete certainty. Ms. Behar/CNN should have pulled up research that specifically relates to the case and not some random information. AND LaToya should have pointed out that no such syringe type was used. But then she thinks her brother had kidney and liver problems...
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And actually let me post a screenshot from the estate status report
Michael owned
- 50% of Sony/ ATV
- 100% Mijac
- writer copyrights
- his master recordings which had a distribution agreement with Sony
- his name and likeliness
- Neverland ranch and trademarks
this distribution agreement the mechanical copyrights I mentioned. As you can see Michael owned his masters and his own Mijac catalog.
Michael owned
- 50% of Sony/ ATV
- 100% Mijac
- writer copyrights
- his master recordings which had a distribution agreement with Sony
- his name and likeliness
- Neverland ranch and trademarks
this distribution agreement the mechanical copyrights I mentioned. As you can see Michael owned his masters and his own Mijac catalog.
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Blue, I understand what you are saying about a general conspiracy in Michael's life surely the allegations, consistent ridicule in the press, etc were not mere coincidence. However, Latoya needs to present her ideas in a consistent, factually based, coherent, and clear-cut manner. For example, how did his death lead to the theft of his catalog (never happened). The only thing she does is make Michael sound silly, paranoid, and crazy, traits haters and media attribute to him. She downplays the role of the main person accused of his death. What loving sister does this after seeing the evidence? What she does not understand is that if Murray is found not guilty, the prosecution will not look for another killer. People and the media will simply say that Michael killed himself. Is that what she wants.
If there is a conspiracy in relation to his death lets see the facts, lets hear your efforts to bring these facts to the prosecution, lets see what your efforts are to bring these people to justice, and finally get the evidence that shows he did not kill himself, he was healthy, his organs were healthy (except for minor lung irritation) out there to the public. She has the forum of the media--let her use it wisely.
We need to send her a letter indicating that she needs to be more aware of the impact her statements about MICHAEL and Muarry are having on the upcoming trial.
If there is a conspiracy in relation to his death lets see the facts, lets hear your efforts to bring these facts to the prosecution, lets see what your efforts are to bring these people to justice, and finally get the evidence that shows he did not kill himself, he was healthy, his organs were healthy (except for minor lung irritation) out there to the public. She has the forum of the media--let her use it wisely.
We need to send her a letter indicating that she needs to be more aware of the impact her statements about MICHAEL and Muarry are having on the upcoming trial.
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Oh Thank u IVY for the break down on that particular part of my post. I understand it way better now!
And Petrarose I definitely understand what u are saying about la toya she is not doin MJ any favors, I totally agree! I was just pointing out many things Mj had to go through that were not just a coincidence/accident that he himself spoke of. I think it's important for people to know that he was genuinely concern about his life and the people that surrounded him at times ruining his life + dippin into his pockets and such. But, when people like la toya and others make themselves out to be his spokesperson they make it out to be some sort of joke because of the way they say and do things.
And Petrarose I definitely understand what u are saying about la toya she is not doin MJ any favors, I totally agree! I was just pointing out many things Mj had to go through that were not just a coincidence/accident that he himself spoke of. I think it's important for people to know that he was genuinely concern about his life and the people that surrounded him at times ruining his life + dippin into his pockets and such. But, when people like la toya and others make themselves out to be his spokesperson they make it out to be some sort of joke because of the way they say and do things.
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This really should be happening. :fear: No one is taking La Toya seriously.
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Gee, Latoya. You're right. You didn't believe MJ at first because who would want to do something to Michael.
Oh, wait. There are people out there who believe you stayed with Gordon and spoke garbage about MJ in public
because, according to you, he had threatened with KILL Michael, and you believed him.
What's wrong with this woman?
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Self contradiction much? lol
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I agree. But I think she needed one even before she ever met Gordon. I think each and every one of the Jackson kids needed a child therapist. They've all been abused, whether it's mentally, emotionally, or physically.
It can be an explanation for Toy's and others' behavior, but it sure is no excuse.