Let's look at Sony. . . .

Dont use the media for your investigations cuz you're playing their game. Go outside the box. Writing a list of questions to Frank was the right idea. The media is able to talk to Joe, John Branca, the nurse anyone (and without pay) so why cant we who are more genuine than the media. Let's ask Joe questions, let's ask Jermaine questions (Shamone Jermaine, Let's Get Serious now!) and see what they have to say.
 
Dont use the media for your investigations cuz you're playing their game. Go outside the box. Writing a list of questions to Frank was the right idea. The media is able to talk to Joe, John Branca, the nurse anyone (and without pay) so why cant we who are more genuine than the media. Let's ask Joe questions, let's ask Jermaine questions (Shamone Jermaine, Let's Get Serious now!) and see what they have to say.

Excellent point. (But, we also use media, and ALL available resources. For media, it's better to WATCH an interview than to read one, usually. One can look at facial expressions and body-language. . . thoses things can reveal quite a lot. . . . .)
 
Thanks. Interesting. What I don't understand is why Tohme was there, at all? Frank was Michael's official manager by then, and Tohme had been fired. The description of the video says:

Statement on the death of Michael Jackson by Jermaine Jackson and Michael Jacksons personal physician, Dr. Tohme. Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, June 25, 2009.

I'm sure that's just an error, though, because Tohme puts "doctor" in front of his name?

Then, the statement at the end. I read this as elevating Jermaine to official and "only" spokesperson. Not sure why HE did this, and not someone from the family? Then, soon after, Jermaine was interviewed at Neverland and made a push for having Michael buried there. I just found it odd that of all people, Tohme was there. And not Randy Phillips, or Dileo, or "other?" (WAS Dileo there, and I missed that?) Maybe because Tohme is friends with Jermaine? Don't know what this all means, though. . . . .

I agree...about why the heck Thome was there, AND acting in such an authoritative way....which is why I am pulled into this thread. :).............also, why I can't stop trying to see if Dileo and Thome interacted at all.....I mean, why didn't Dileo push him off the stage...or butt in and take control before they got to the stage....I just don't get it?.....of course, at that particular moment...other things were on everyone's mind, and I get that.

I agree that facts are important..........that is why I am analyzing the videos...and not referring to who said what to what newspaper or tabloid. I want to SEE for myself.
 
One can look at facial expressions and body-language. . . thoses things can reveal quite a lot. . . . .

True and I totally agree on that. The youtube video showed Murray was lying through body language.
 
Great thread Victoria83, all these points should be out there to be considered. We need to try our best to work out how he died and who may have been behind his death. We can't let this go on for years, the truth needs to come out.
 
Are there any Admins or other members who can contact either Jermaine, Joe, John Branca etc to ask for interviews along the lines of what MJJC did with Frank?
 
What are you saying here? Are you saying that Tohme's ex-wife is married to Jermaine? Really? If so, how do you know? REALLY? What????

I've tried searching extensively, through all sorts of outlets, re: that Jermaine's wife is the ex of Tohme.....can not find one thing to support this, except the post #200 in the other thread mentioned by Lily, which did not have any source link or info.

does anyone know of any actual source for this?..........I searched for info on Tohme, Jermaine and Halima (or, alternate spelling Haleema) Rashid and couldn't find a thing.
 
Tohme is eerily unfindable on the internet. Extremely secretive. I'm quite good at internet searches and have tried a variety of angles. He's deliberately NOT present.
 
Tohme is eerily unfindable on the internet. Extremely secretive. I'm quite good at internet searches and have tried a variety of angles. He's deliberately NOT present.

yep. same here, on all counts! it is literally driving me bonkers.......i don't like not being able to confirm something, at least partially. if anyone out there knows of a source for this info, i beg you......post it!
 
Where is he from. We need somebody from his home to find out more about him.

Dr. Tohme Tohme is not his birth name.
 
here is a brief timeline I found

http://www.oceanofweb.com/general/lifehistory-michael-jackson.html

1991-1993: Dangerous and Super Bowl
In March 1991, Jackson renewed his contract with Sony for $65 million; a record breaking deal at the time, displacing Neil Diamond’s renewal contract with Columbia Records. Jackson released his eighth album Dangerous in 1991. As of 2008, Dangerous has shipped 7 million copies in the US and has sold 32 million copies worldwide; it is the most successful New Jack Swing album of all time. In the US, the album’s first single “Black or White” was the album’s biggest hit, reaching number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and remaining there for seven weeks, with similar chart performances worldwide. The album’s second single “Remember the Time” spent eight weeks in the top five in the US, peaking at number three on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. In 1993, Jackson performed the song at the Soul Train Awards in a wheelchair, saying he had suffered an injury in rehearsals. In the UK and other parts of Europe, “Heal the World” was the biggest hit from the album; it sold 450,000 copies in the UK and spent five weeks at two in 1992

1993-1994 Michaelj Jackson1993-1994: Sexual abuse accusations and marriage
Jackson gave a 90-minute interview with Oprah Winfrey in February 1993, his first television interview since 1979. He grimaced when speaking of his childhood abuse at the hands of his father; he believed he had missed out on much of his childhood years, admitting that he often cried from loneliness. He denied previous tabloid rumors that he bought the bones of the Elephant Man or slept in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. The entertainer went on to dispel suggestions that he bleached his skin, admitting for the first time that he had vitiligo. The interview was watched by 90 million Americans, becoming the fourth most-viewed non-sport program in US history. It also started a public debate on the topic of vitiligo, a relatively unknown condition before then. Dangerous re-entered the album chart top 10, more than a year after its original release..

1995-1999 Michael Jackson1995-1999: HIStory, second marriage and fatherhood
In 1995, Jackson merged his Northern Songs catalog with Sony’s publishing division creating Sony/ATV Music Publishing. Jackson retained half-ownership of the company, earned $95 million upfront as well as the rights to even more songs. He then released the double album HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. The first disc, HIStory Begins, was a 15-track greatest hits album, and was later reissued as Greatest Hits – HIStory Vol. I in 2001, the second disc, HIStory Continues, contained 15 new songs. The album debuted at number one on the charts and has been certified for seven million shipments in the US. It is the best-selling multiple-disc album of all-time, with 20 million copies (40 million units) sold worldwide. HIStory received a Grammy nomination for best album

2000-2002 Michael Jackson2000-2002: Label dispute, Invincible and third child
In 2000, Jackson was listed in the book of Guinness World Records for his support of 39 charities, more than any other entertainer or personality. At the time, Jackson was waiting for the licenses to the masters of his albums to revert back to him; this allowed him to promote his old material how he liked and prevented Sony from getting a cut of the profit. Jackson expected this to occur early in the new millennium, however, due to the fine print and various clauses in the contract, this revert date is still many years away. Jackson began an investigation, and it emerged that the attorney who represented the singer in the deal was also representing Sony, creating a conflict of interest. Jackson was also concerned about another conflict of interest. For a number of years, Sony had been pushing to buy all of Jackson’s share in their music catalog venture. If Jackson’s career or financial situation were to deteriorate, he would have to sell his catalog. Thus, Sony had something to gain from Jackson’s career failing. Jackson was able to use these conflicts as leverage to exit his contract early.Just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment.






Is this lawyer that is also representing Sony John Branca?


If so, I find that 2002 will questionable.

In 1993, Evan Chandler the father of the first accuser of molestation comes out with a film Robin Hood Men in Tights. I'm sure he ran this by Michael and Michael wasn't going to help him with that movie and he got upset because Evan had the dream of becoming a film maker but was a dentist.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Robin-Hood-Men-Tights-DVD/dp/B00004U0MG
 
Kizmic, you wrote:

Is this lawyer that is also representing Sony John Branca?

This is extremely important. Good find, and thanks. Recall, as well, that it was Branca who suddenly turned up with the "only" copy of Michael's will. That same will that named him executor of the estate?

Tohme might not be findable, but let's look more at Branca. (Oh, and Tohme is Lebanese.)
 
Kizmic, you wrote:

Is this lawyer that is also representing Sony John Branca?

This is extremely important. Good find, and thanks. Recall, as well, that it was Branca who suddenly turned up with the "only" copy of Michael's will. That same will that named him executor of the estate?

Tohme might not be findable, but let's look more at Branca. (Oh, and Tohme is Lebanese.)

I agree.
 
Add this to the collection. Note that it was Frank Dileo who contacted Branca, just a month before Michael died.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/14/us-michael-jackson-branca-081409/

Related Terms: Los Angeles, Michael Jackson, Sony, UCLA
Jackson had long history with estate executor

By LINDA DEUTSCH, The Associated Press

10:56 p.m. August 14, 2009

LOS ANGELES — A week after Michael Jackson died, his longtime lawyer and friend, John Branca, arrived at a meeting with the singer's family. He carried the pop star's will, and with it, the news on who would benefit from the King of Pop's estate.

"It was very difficult," Branca recalled. "There were a lot of family members there, his sisters and most of the brothers and his mother, Katherine."

He told them three things: Katherine would be guardian of Michael's three children and receive 40 percent of the estate. The children would also receive 40 percent. The remaining 20 percent would go to unspecified charities to benefit children.

"They applauded three times when they were told who got the property," Branca said. "They were thrilled."

It also named Branca as co-executor – meaning that while the money went to the Katherine Jackson and the kids, Branca and music executive John McClain would be in charge of making it.

Katherine Jackson's attorney, L. Londell McMillan, has asserted that she should be given "a seat at the table" in executing deals for the estate. He has also said the family is considering a formal challenge to Branca and McClain, suggesting the two may not be fit to run the estate because of conflicts of interest and other factors. McMillan would not comment Friday on specifics about those objections.

Neither Branca nor McClain is unknown to the Jackson family. During more than 20 years as the pop superstar's lawyer, Branca, 58, was a principal architect of Jackson's financial empire. McClain, a successful record company executive and childhood friend of Jackson's, helped craft the recording career of Michael's sister Janet.

Branca plays down any conflict with the Jackson family.

"Everything is going to be fine," he said calmly during a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press.

Branca and McClain have already won court approval for a deal that will bring the estate $60 million from a movie made of footage shot during rehearsals for the concerts Jackson was to have performed in London. A coffee-table book also was approved. But two multimillion-dollar projects, including a deal to market Jackson merchandise, have been stalled because of objections from Mrs. Jackson's camp.

"We're approaching the $100 million mark if those two deals in front of the court are approved," said Branca. "That's pretty remarkable – in six weeks as executors, to have brought $100 million into the estate."

When he met a young Michael Jackson in 1980, Branca was already a successful young entertainment lawyer, and has represented 28 members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. His clients have included the Beach Boys, The Doors, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones and countless other top rock acts.

Neil Portnow, president of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, which puts on the Grammy Awards, said Branca has a track record for loyalty to his clients and is "eminently capable" of running Jackson's posthumous business affairs.

"He has the skills, the knowledge, the clout but also the humanity," said Portnow, who has worked with Branca, the outgoing chairman of the Grammys' charitable foundation. "He had a past relationship with Michael, which is so key. He's not a hired gun. ... Neither does he need this. It's probably somewhat distracting from other things he was doing."

Branca took an early interest in music, and played keyboards in a rock band he formed in high school. But music wasn't his only passion: His uncle is famed Brooklyn Dodgers pitcher Ralph Branca, who served up Bobby Thomson's home run that cost the Dodgers the 1951 National League pennant – in what became known as the "shot heard 'round the world."

Branca channeled his interest in music into his budding law career, and started out setting up tours for Bob Dylan, George Harrison and Neil Diamond. He represented the Presley estate for a time, but in 1980 his world changed when an intermediary asked him to meet with Michael Jackson, who he says was 20 or 21 at the time.

"(Jackson) said, 'Do I know you?' It was one of those things you have in life where you feel so comfortable with a person you actually feel you do know them."

He met Jackson's parents briefly, and remembers Mrs. Jackson saying, "Michael, I don't know if he's old enough to be a lawyer."

Branca shepherded Jackson through the phenomenal success of the "Thriller" album in 1982 – and contrary to other versions of the story, he said it was Michael's idea to buy the Beatles catalog after Paul McCartney told Jackson he was investing in buying copyrights to famous songs.

He bought copyrights to such songs as "Runaround Sue" and "The Wanderer," and the work of Sly and the Family Stone.

"And then came the mother lode," said Branca. When he told Jackson about the ATV catalog up for sale, "He started screaming on the phone. I actually have a great note he wrote me. It said: 'Branca, the catalog is mine. Don't lose it by over-negotiating.'"

In 1995, he merged it with Sony to create one of the largest such collections in the world. In earlier years, Branca also helped Jackson obtain the rights to his recording masters and brokered the purchase of Neverland Ranch, originally offered for $60 million, for a final price of $17.5 million, including all furnishings.

But life with Michael was not all about money, Branca says. At first they were friends, traveling to Disney World together, socializing at Branca's home. Jackson was the best man at Branca's first wedding, bringing with him his pet chimp Bubbles, who was clad in a tiny tuxedo. Little Richard was the minister.

In 1990, Jackson tearfully told Branca he wanted to try different representation; though Branca wouldn't confirm it, it was widely reported that Hollywood mogul and record company executive David Geffen advised Jackson that Branca's influence in his affairs had grown too large. They remained apart for three years.

Branca returned in 1993, at a time when Jackson was being sued in a child molestation case he ultimately settled. But the relationship was different.

"Later on in his career he really had a line between his business and personal life," said Branca.

In 1997 a will was drafted for Jackson – but not, Branca says, by him. Instead, he said he assigned it to a member of his firm who specialized in wills and trusts. It was redone in 2002, after the birth of Jackson's third child.

Branca said he played no role in advising Jackson on the will, but knew the singer did not want a family member in control of his estate. Jackson also felt he did not have to take care of his brothers and sisters, Branca said.

By 2006, Branca says, his relationship with Jackson was troubled once again. The star was listening to an increasingly odd set of advisers who Branca feared did not have the singer's best interests at heart.

"He was surrounded and I had to resign," he said. "He did not ask me to stay. I resigned amicably."

And then, a little more than a month before Jackson died, the call came from Jackson's former manager, Frank DeLio. Branca says DeLio told him Jackson sought his input on what kind of deals they could begin working on; Branca drafted an agenda and met with Jackson on June 17 at the Forum in Inglewood, where the King of Pop was rehearsing for his big comeback.

"I hadn't seen him in several years," Branca said. "We hugged each other. He said, 'John, you're back.' It was very emotional. I showed him the agenda."

It was what Jackson wanted, Branca said – including a concert movie, books and merchandising deals.

"That agenda is exactly what John McClain and I are doing now," Branca said, "for the estate."
 
Add this to the collection. Note that it was Frank Dileo who contacted Branca, just a month before Michael died.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/14/us-michael-jackson-branca-081409/


In 1997 a will was drafted for Jackson – but not, Branca says, by him. Instead, he said he assigned it to a member of his firm who specialized in wills and trusts. It was redone in 2002, after the birth of Jackson's third child.



By 2006, Branca says, his relationship with Jackson was troubled once again. The star was listening to an increasingly odd set of advisers who Branca feared did not have the singer's best interests at heart.


And then, a little more than a month before Jackson died, the call came from Jackson's former manager, Frank DeLio. Branca says DeLio told him Jackson sought his input on what kind of deals they could begin working on; Branca drafted an agenda and met with Jackson on June 17 at the Forum in Inglewood, where the King of Pop was rehearsing for his big comeback.

Wait, MJ didn't write his own will? Am I reading that right??
 
At the time, Jackson was waiting for the licenses to the masters of his albums to revert back to him; this allowed him to promote his old material how he liked and prevented Sony from getting a cut of the profit. Jackson expected this to occur early in the new millennium, however, due to the fine print and various clauses in the contract, this revert date is still many years away.

It's not untypical in the music industry to be stiched up like a kipper! but this (amongst other things) has always bugged me in relation to Michael's untimely (or should that be timely? for many reasons death). But it appears, that the revert back to Michael, of these masters licenses, wasn't too far away now ~ 2011

These articles and video are worth reading/revisiting for relevant content in relation to this particular issue, ownership of his music, both released and unreleased, as it stands now:

Jackson left behind many unreleased tracks
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31694673/ns/entertainment-music/

Who Gets Michael Jackson's Latest Songs?
The fight for the rights to the pop star's most recent songs promises to be a complicated one.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...465911.htm?chan=magazine+channel_new+business

No new Michael Jackson material until 2012?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/16/michael-jackson-material

Michael Jackson Left 'Dozens' Of Unreleased Songs, Tommy Mottola Says
'There's just some genius and brilliance in there,' former Sony Music CEO says of recordings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sItXxlQEmMs

There are obviously more legal wrangles over this still to come.

Jackson began an investigation, and it emerged that the attorney who represented the singer in the deal was also representing Sony, creating a conflict of interest. Jackson was also concerned about another conflict of interest. For a number of years, Sony had been pushing to buy all of Jackson’s share in their music catalog venture. If Jackson’s career or financial situation were to deteriorate, he would have to sell his catalog. Thus, Sony had something to gain from Jackson’s career failing. Jackson was able to use these conflicts as leverage to exit his contract early.Just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment.



Is this lawyer that is also representing Sony John Branca?


If so, I find that 2002 will questionable.

Hmmm, there's so much that is questionable isn't there. So many people coming and going and strange things happening around Michael in the time just leading up to his death, makes for swirling murkey waters ~ keep looking into it all though ~ you're all doing a great job!


Possibly John Branca, but not necessarily.

have a look on here:
http://www.bitterlawyer.com/index.p...el_jacksons_top_10_representations/?cat_id=13

~ This appears to suggest it may have been Grubman, Phillips, Fields, for the time/contract in question? Perhaps bitterlawyer, may have more specific relevant info?

& there is also Steve Gordon who was also around at Sony at the time & quoted in that first article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31694673/ns/entertainment-music/


I expect that both John Branca & L. Londell McMillan, will definitively know the answer to this though, so maybe someone could actually ask both of them, see what they say?
 
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Wait, MJ didn't write his own will? Am I reading that right??

Not necessarily. It's common to work WITH an attorney in drawing up a will. The attorney will have a template and ask questions, in detail, about how one wants one's assets divided up. I'm sure that's what happened here.
 
Jackson began an investigation, and it emerged that the attorney who represented the singer in the deal was also representing Sony, creating a conflict of interest. ?[/B]

Has anyone been able to determine who this particular attorney actually was yet?


Aside, it seems that there may have been a lot of questionable representations, where conflict of interests may have come into play over the years.
~ Take for example Joel Katz, reportedly Michael's current attorney at the time of his death & current co-counsel with Branca & McClain? ... called in recently to work for Michael again (9mths ago?).
Allegedly Prince Abdulla was also a client of his at the time of the lawsuit, when he was representing Michael & Jermaine?
He has worked for both Sony, Jermaine Jackson/The Jackson Family, for many years, dating back before the above said contract, so quite a few conflicts of interests over the years and maybe at the time of the said contract too? ~ Another worth looking into, if the answer to the above question is not yet actually known?

I expect this article may be posted elsewhere? I just read it the other day and felt it was relevant to this thread also:

The Company To Watch
Aug 18, 2009


The following article ran in the August 15th issue of Billboard, trumpeting the many successes at Sony/ATV Music Publishing in the past few years. It is reprinted here with permission from Billboard.


DON'T STOP 'TIL YOU GET ENOUGH
Sony/ATV And Its Leader, Martin Bandier, Mine New Opportunities
August 15, 2009
By Ed Christman

The death of a co-owner is a sad and difficult passage for any company. But when the co-owner in question is Michael Jackson and the company is Sony/ATV Music Publishing, the proprietor of the Beatles song catalog, the transition is bound to attract the public spotlight.

And that suits Sony/ATV chairman/CEO Martin Bandier just fine.

Bandier--the legendary music publisher who joined the company in April 2007 after spending nearly two decades transforming EMI Music Publishing from a minor firm into an industry powerhouse--is clearly comfortable with being in the public eye, even if he's just as silent as other Sony Corp. executives on the topic of all things Jackson.

But the publishing veteran isn't bashful when it comes to talking about how he has turned around Sony/ATV from a sleepy company to a contender for every major deal that has come up since his arrival.

"In its history, Sony/ATV never won an ASCAP pop publisher of the year award and this year in May we won it," Bandier says. "That's a pretty remarkable accomplishment. I knew we would get there one day, but never thought we would do it within two years."

Sony/ATV shared the award with Bandier's old company, EMI Music Publishing, which suits the competitive executive just fine. In any event, Bandier plans on duplicating his EMI success at Sony/ATV, which is considered to be the smallest of the four major-owned music publishers and is half-owned by Sony.

"We have a great deal of autonomy and tremendous support from Sony, who are big believers in music publishing and copyright," Bandier says. "They have a real long-term view on growing this business and building it into the premier music publisher that I think it has become, although clearly not in terms of its size. But, shucks, it's only two-and-a-half years."

Bandier's impact at Sony/ATV is evident from studying Billboard's Top 10 Publisher Airplay chart (see page 18). Since its inception in second-quarter 2006, the chart has ranked publishers by their share of a given quarter's top 100 airplay songs as determined by Nielsen BDS. During the first four quarters of the chart before Bandier's arrival, Sony/ATV consistently placed either third or fourth. But during the last six quarters under his watch, Sony/ATV has ranked first once, second three times and third twice.

Since Bandier came aboard, Sony/ATV's key artist/songwriter signings and acquisitions have included Lady GaGa, Flo Rida, Sean Kingston, Akon, Shakira and, most recently, Enrique Iglesias. His key producer/writer signings have included RedOne (whose current projects include GaGa, Iglesias, Kingston and Adam Lambert), John Shanks (Bon Jovi, Colbie Caillat, Leona Lewis, Natasha Bedingfield) and Evan Bogart (Jordin Sparks, Beyoncé), as well as new signings Jeff Bhasker (Kanye West) and Boi-1da, writer/producer of Drake's current hit "Best I Ever Had."

Bandier's tenure at Sony/ATV began with the acquisitions of the Leiber & Stoller and Famous Music catalogs. And many industry executives wonder if Jackson's death will result in another acquisition--the remaining 50% of Sony/ATV owned by the trust created by Jackson and now managed by his estate. Sony executives declined to address the question directly.

"We are very happy with the tremendous growth and financial performance at Sony/ATV over the past few years," says Rob Wiesenthal, executive VP/CFO at Sony Corp. of America. "We are not sellers. We love this business and are completely focused on growing it."

MJ and The Beatles

Jackson acquired ATV, including the Northern Songs catalog of 250 Beatles compositions, in 1985 for $47.5 million, merging it with Sony Music Publishing in 1995. Under the latter deal, Sony paid Jackson $110 million and gave him a 50% stake in the merged company, which at the time was valued at about $500 million, according to the 2007 book 'Northern Songs: The True Story of the Beatles' Song Publishing Empire' by Brian Southall with Rupert Perry. Sources estimate that Sony/ATV is now valued at about $1.7 billion.

Despite media reports of investor interest in Jackson's half of Sony/ATV, Sony Corp. remains in the driver's seat. When a cash-strapped Jackson refinanced his debt with the Fortress Investment Group in 2007, Sony Corp. helped facilitate the deal and in return secured the right to purchase half of his share in Sony/ATV at a predetermined price; it also became managing partner of the publishing company, giving it operational control. Sony also obtained the right to match any future offers on Jackson's remaining 25% stake. Separately, sources say that Sony/ATV also gets a first look at purchasing Jackson's own Mijac catalog upon the expiration of its administration deal with Warner/Chappell.

Since it made that deal, Sony Corp. has already laid out some $900 million in cash to Bertelsmann as part of a deal to assume complete ownership of Sony BMG, which it renamed Sony Music Entertainment.

Sony executives declined to comment on the status of the Jackson estate's Sony/ATV stake or Mijac. Despite media speculation that the estate's tax and debt obligations might force a sale of its Sony/ATV stake, a spokesman for the Jackson estate said that it has been the estate's position that its stake in Sony/ATV isn't for sale. The spokesman didn't respond to a request for further comment.

Sources point out that most of Jackson's widely publicized cash-flow problems came from his expensive lifestyle, which is no longer a factor. "The Jackson estate executors [music industry veteran John McClain and entertainment lawyer John Branca] who are now in charge are focusing on strategies that would promote cash-flow stability," of which the Sony/ATV asset is a key component, a source says. Moreover, with publishing assets commanding lower multiples than they did a year or two ago, the timing isn't good for a sale of the Jackson estate's Sony/ATV stake, other sources note.

And what of Sony/ATV's crown jewel, the Beatles' Northern Songs catalog? Paul McCartney and the estate of John Lennon have always controlled their respective songwriter shares of the Beatles' songs. Sony/ATV wields ownership of the publisher's share of about 250 of the Fab Four's classic compositions through at least 2018.

The U.S. Copyright Act of 1976 gave songwriters the ability to recapture the publishing share of the copyright on pre-1978 works after two consecutive 28-year terms or 56 years. That means Beatles compositions registered in 1962 will be eligible for reversion in the United States in 2018, while songs written in 1970 will be eligible in 2026. The reversion includes the publisher share of royalties for performance rights, synch licensing rights and rights for new mechanical licenses created after the reversion year.

Under a clause in the Copyright Act, heirs of songwriters who die during the first 28-year term can recapture the publisher's portion of copyrighted works at the end of that term. In the case of John Lennon, who died in 1980, the publisher's portion of his share of the Lennon-McCartney catalog for songs written in 1962 became eligible for reversion in 1990, while songs written in 1970 were eligible in 1998. Sources say that Sony/ATV cut a deal with Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, prior to the reversion dates to retain its publisher's share for the life of the copyright.

One of Bandier's priorities at Sony/ATV has been to be more aggressive in exploiting its publishing assets. The Beatles' deal with MTV Networks to develop the forthcoming "The Beatles: Rock Band" videogame is one indication of that.
"The trick is to grow internally from the assets you have and that is the area we have sparkled in," Bandier says. "Let's face it, in this world today, the physical sales are diminishing and digital clearly hasn't made up for it, so you have to have the ability to run for daylight. If you have an opportunity to license something for 'Guitar Hero' or 'Rock Band,' you have to find out the right way to do that. The 'Beatles: Rock Band' license is something very significant to our company, and that is something that we worked on for a long time with the Apple [Corps] folks."

Expanding The Biz

While exploitation of its catalog has helped drive growth at Sony/ATV, the company's improved share of top airplay songs demonstrates its commitment to new artist signings and hit songs. But Bandier and other executives emphasize that no matter how successful the company is in finding hit songwriters and getting song placements on albums, the key to everything remains hit singles.

"In a singles-driven market," Sony/ATV co-president Jody Gerson says, "the real focus is being proactive in making sure our writers have the opportunity to deliver singles to projects." Then, Gerson says, the company can create opportunities in film and TV around the world.

Sony/ATV has also long been a country music powerhouse and has recently had a share in four No. 1 songs on Billboard's Hot Country Songs chart: Kenny Chesney's "Out Last Night," Dierks Bentley's "Sideways," Lady Antebellum's "I Run to You" and Billy Currington's "People Are Crazy."

The company's success in Latin music snared it ASCAP's Latin publisher of the year award in April and a share of SESAC's Latin publisher of the year honors. And during the last 52 weeks, the company says it published or co-published songs that spent a combined 30 weeks at No. 1 on Billboard's Hot Latin Songs chart.

In order to strengthen its ability to attract new signings, Sony/ATV has built up its synch-licensing staff and all executives there have some degree of song-pitching duties, even the copyright clearance staff, according to Sony/ATV senior VP of film and TV Ron Broitman. "Each year we do more [synch] volume as we have signed more deals," he says. "We have more to offer to film and TV clients."

While music publishing already enjoys multiple revenue streams, Bandier says he wants to push the boundaries further. For instance, Sony/ATV revived the Hickory Records imprint in 2007 and scored a hit with Elliott Yamin's self-titled debut album that year. He also wants Sony/ATV to be in the management business handling songwriter/producers. It recently cut a deal to manage producer Mark Spiro, whose current project is working with Ruby Summer, a new duo signed to Lyric Street Records.

"We do the same work in pitching and creating opportunities for our producer/writers but we don't get share in the benefits of a successful record for things that our producer/writers didn't write but just produced," Bandier says, adding that managing these individuals will enable Sony/ATV to capture some of this revenue.

Bandier also wants to explore further opportunities in theatrical and Hollywood productions for Sony/ATV copyrights. He says that Little Richard and Leiber & Stoller would be perfect candidates for biopics.

New Royalty Processing System

Sony/ATV continues to seek new licensing opportunities at a time when digital media have sparked an explosion of sales and licensing opportunities that have prompted music publishers to develop more sophisticated royalty-processing systems. At the direction of Bandier, Sony/ATV has just completed building a new, state-of-the-art Web-based royalty and licensing system with Oracle hardware, according to Sony/ATV CFO Joe Puzio. Sony/ATV began making payments on the system during the second quarter and by year's end, the company plans to roll out an online portal for clients to access their royalty accounting data. "Most other publishers are using the AS400 IBM hardware, but we went with a newer technology that gives us more flexibility and scalability," says Sony/ATV chief information officer Bill Stark. "It was very hard for the old system to track new streams of revenue. We can handle large amounts of data coming in quickly."

For all of the new directions that Bandier has been leading Sony/ATV, the company and its leader retain some old-school qualities.

"He has a presence," says Cherry Lane senior VP of creative Richard Stumpf. "He is considered a legend, and he smokes a mean cigar. And while he does operate the business with financials in mind, I get the feeling he is a music guy and has musicality."

That's what his executives say as well. When Bandier heard the song "Can't Keep On Loving You (From a Distance)" at a meeting, 'Marty said, 'Oh, my God, this has to go onto the new Elliott Yamin album,' " Sony/ATV co-president Danny Strick recalls. The song had been composed by Sony/ATV writers Hakim Abdulsamad, Nasri Atweh, Thomas Salter and a fourth writer with another publisher. Within 10 days, Yamin had recorded the track for inclusion on the Hickory Records album "Fight for Love," which was released in May.

"The biggest thing that I brought to the company," Bandier says, "was to be proactive instead of reactive, not only in terms of how we conduct business with artists but in collecting our money and in licensing our music. Sony/ATV converted itself from a sleepy, little profitable place to an extremely profitable, wide-awake place, always circling and looking for new opportunities."


*Billboard article used with permission of Nielsen Business Media, Inc
http://www.sonyatv.com/index.php/news/549

"Separately, sources say that Sony/ATV also gets a first look at purchasing Jackson's own Mijac catalog upon the expiration of its administration deal with Warner/Chappell."

~ when does this happen?
 
This is in response to the DSTGE article about SONY music posted above.

Of coarse I disagree with the $1.7 bn figure from an un named sources from a book. MJ's 50% was worth more than this alone. Also note they purposely leave out all the SONY/ATV purchases

Acuff Rose 2002
Leiber Stoller 2007
Famous 2007

Read this book and I believe we get a clearer picture of the wealth of SONY/ATV.The media never quotes this book. Also note that just after this book was published MJ was suddenly "sick" and "dying" and was reported to be writing wills to McCartney by the Tabloids.

(Dec 2008 news articles)
http://www.theinsider.com/news/1047723_Is_...l_Jackson_Dying
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/r...deficiency.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/12/23/mic...ung-transplant/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/22/...in4681063.shtml
http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/features/22782.html
http://ranger65.newsvine.com/_news/2008/12...on-may-be-dying
http://airamerica.com/blog/2008/dec/22/michael-jackson-dying
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artma...=112&num=194945

Get Lit: Beatles for Sale by John Blaney
Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 08:02:15 AM

Another Beatles book? Doesn't the world already know everything it possibly can about the Fab Four, from the nickname of their favorite Hamburg pill dealer to the mustache style of the cab driver who took George through the streets of Rishikesh?
Well... no. And as long as interest in the band continues to flower - and pass along to new generations - Ye Olde Beatles Bookshelf will continue to groan under the accumulated weight of its tomes. Beatles for Sale, though, is the first one to make a comprehensive study of the group through the prism of its finances. Publishing, record contracts, Apple, Inc., merchandising, management, movies and even their fan club are studied with an accountant's eye.
The result is actually not dry and pretty fascinating - mostly how the biggest group in the world, before or since, made blunders that even today's MySpace minions wouldn't fall for. You never give me your money? Not unless it's in the contract, baby.
Rocks Off spoke with Beatles for Sale author and all-around Fabs expert John Blaney (Lennon and McCartney: Together Alone - A Critical Discography of Their Solo Work) about a wide range of money matters that would make a Liverpool taxman orgasm with delight.


Rocks Off: With so many hundreds of books already written about the Beatles, what made you decide to concentrate on their financial life?
John Blaney: It's a fascinating aspect of The Beatles' story that's never been covered in-depth. Money is like sex. None of us think we are getting enough, and when a group like the Beatles comes along, we all want to know how much they're getting and what they do with it.
The fact that The Beatles could have been even richer is also intriguing. Where did it go? And when you look into their business deals, you realize how they were controlled by businessmen and lawyers from the word go. They didn't stand a chance.
RO: The Beatles made many bad business decisions that even a struggling band today would never make. Do you think it's because many of these areas for bands - publishing, merchandising - were relatively new at the time?
JB: To be fair, The Beatles didn't make the mistakes. Their manager, lawyers, and accountants made the mistakes because nobody, with the exception of Elvis Presley and the Disney Corporation, had ever done anything like this before.
The Beatles had to rely on advisors, who for the most part didn't appreciate just how much the group could earn. It wouldn't happen today, because everyone has learned from the mistakes made by [manager Brian] Epstein and his advisors.
RO: Brian Epstein: how much "blame" should he really get for his bad or uninformed decisions?
JB: The buck stops with Epstein (right). He constantly said The Beatles were going to be bigger than Elvis, and yet he constantly undervalued the group. While it's true that he was breaking new ground with some of his business deals, a businessman would have fought for better deals than Epstein secured.
It's easy to blame him in hindsight, but contemporaries like Don Arden and Allen Klein would have cut better deals. But whether they would have been better for The Beatles is unlikely. If nothing else Epstein was honest, open and a gentleman.
RO: Epstein also signed away a shocking 90 percent of the Beatles' merchandising sales to the Seltaeb company. Is this his biggest blunder?
JB: It sounds like a massive blunder, but the real shocker is the fact that Lennon and McCartney ended up losing the rights to their own songs. The last time Sony/ATV, which owns Northern Songs, was valued, it was said to be worth $30 billion!
What they lost in merchandising is peanuts compared to what they lost in royalties when they lost control of Northern Songs. The merchandising bubble would have only lasted a few years at best, but the royalties from songwriting will keep pouring in for as long as their music lasts. And it looks like that is going to be a long time.
RO: I was surprised to find out that Paul McCartney only co-owns outright the publishing on two songs - "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You". Do you think he's just resigned to this fact today, or does it still drive him that he could get the rights back?
JB: McCartney has said he's happy to sit back and wait, because in a few years, some of the rights revert back to him. Why he didn't buy ATV/Northern Songs when he had the chance [in 1981] is a mystery. He could have sold off ATV and effectively acquired Northern Songs for next to nothing. But he was adamant that he only wanted Northern Songs. Somebody else stepped in. and he lost the chance to buy back his "babies."
RO: What do you make personally about Northern Songs honcho Dick James not notifying the Beatles of the earlier original sale?
JB: Dick James had a pretty good hunch that without Epstein to guide them, the Beatles would split up - and he was right. However, the gentlemanly thing to have done was give them first refusal. That he went behind their backs says a lot. I think he was only interested in looking after himself. But how short-sighted he was.
Surely, he must have known that Lennon and McCartney's songs would continue to earn vast sums of money regardless of whether or not the Beatles were a working band. He's another example of what the Beatles were up against - the fast buck rather then long term investment. But that was the nature of the music business at the time.
RO: You mention that the Beatles sold more records in 1996 than in any other year up until then. There is only a finite amount of material that can be packaged and repackaged. What are your thoughts on that?
JB: I think Apple has done a good job, so far. But in my opinion, they seem to be struggling to give the fans what they want. The Love project was a real disappointment. I'd rather hear the 20-minute version of "Helter Skelter," no matter how bad it is, or "Carnival of Light," than an uninspired Giles Martin remix of "Because."
I think the release of the re-mastered albums, whether on CD or as downloads, will be the last big push from Apple. I really can't see the Beatles topping the 1996 sales figure ever again. The market is changing, their audience is getting older, and there's only so many times you can get people to pay for something they already own.
RO: Any other comments?
JB: This is a story that will run and run. Beatles for Sale only scratches the surface. We will never know the whole story, because too many interested parties want to keep it secret, and who can blame them? John Lennon was right, the Beatles made a lot of people millionaires. The group probably still generates more money than some Third World countries, and nobody wants to harm the golden goose.
And that includes people like me who have made money from them. It's an irony that's not lost on me, I can assure you! - Bob Ruggiero


But this is an importantant question

After reading this article; how could Michael Jackson ever become "cash strapped" and "broke"? Think about it; look at how(DSTGE article) SONY spending $900 million like water; Yet their partner was in-debt?

Money was always comming in. I believe MJ knew exactly how much he was making and worth. Hense the "drug", "troubled" and "shop-a-holic" propaganda.

If we discover how Michael Jackson was seperated from his cash flow we will learn who the killers are. Yes SONY music USA is involved in some way.
 
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This is in response to the DSTGE article about SONY music posted above.

Of coarse I disagree with the $1.7 bn figure from an un named sources from a book. MJ's 50% was worth more than this alone. Also note they purposely leave out all the SONY/ATV purchases

Acuff Rose 2002
Leiber Stoller 2007
Famous 2007

Read this book and I believe we get a clearer picture of the wealth of SONY/ATV.The media never quotes this book. Also note that just after this book was published MJ was suddenly "sick" and "dying" and was reported to be writing wills to McCartney by the Tabloids.

(Dec 2008 news articles)
http://www.theinsider.com/news/1047723_Is_...l_Jackson_Dying
http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/r...deficiency.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/12/23/mic...ung-transplant/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/22/...in4681063.shtml
http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/features/22782.html
http://ranger65.newsvine.com/_news/2008/12...on-may-be-dying
http://airamerica.com/blog/2008/dec/22/michael-jackson-dying
http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artma...=112&num=194945




But this is an importantant question

After reading this article; how could Michael Jackson ever become "cash strapped" and "broke"? Think about it; look at how(DSTGE article) SONY spending $900 million like water; Yet their partner was in-debt?

Money was always comming in. I believe MJ knew exactly how much he was making and worth. Hense the "drug", "troubled" and "shop-a-holic" propaganda.

If we discover how Michael Jackson was seperated from his cash flow we will learn who the killers are. Yes SONY music USA is involved in some way.


Good post, very observant,, I've been wondering how the financial situation was created to seprate MJ from his cash too.
 
Martin Bandier


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/business/23marty.html?pagewanted=all


"Sony/ATV Music Publishing is a joint venture created in 1995 between the Sony Corporation and trusts formed by the late pop giant Michael Jackson. But it also has deals with the likes of Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, Taylor Swift and Bon Jovi’s Richie Sambora.

But the jewel in Mr. Bandier’s crown is Sony/ATV’s ownership of the rights to more than 250 Beatles songs. Next month, the digitally remastered Beatles albums will be released the same day as the introduction of “The Beatles: Rock Band,” an interactive video game that will allow players to relive some of the group’s greatest performances.

“The fourth quarter will belong to the Beatles,” Mr. Bandier predicts.

Less clear, however, is what will happen to the Sony/ATV venture itself. While Sony executives and lawyers for Mr. Jackson’s estate say they see no changes afoot, the structure of the partnership would be altered if the estate put its stake on the block.

Sony would have first-refusal rights if that happens, and company executives say they would be interested in increasing their holdings. In the interim, the playing field is still Mr. Bandier’s, which his supporters say they find comforting.


Published: August 22, 2009


"On September 9, 2009, after a nearly 22-year wait, digitally remastered versions of all of the Beatles studio albums will be released, a press release has confirmed.........
The rereleases will include the Beatles’ 12 studio albums and Magical Mystery Tour as well as Past Masters Vol. I and II, which will be packaged as one collection. All 14 discs will be available with DVDs of the documentaries in a stereo box set, and a set titled The Beatles in Mono featuring 10 discs will also be released......."

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdai...atles-remastered-albums-due-september-9-2009/


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beatles-Box-Set-Remastered-Stereo/dp/B002BSHWUU


As I can see here, publisher is "Parlophone".
?????

http://www.google.com/products/cata...+remasters&cid=1824792253509367204&sa=title#p

Here it's "Capitol".

http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Stereo-Box-Set/dp/B002BSHWUU

Hmmmmm.. "EMI".

And where is Sony? ha, ha :smilerolleyes:



Seems that everybody has a piece of The Beatles catalogue?
I'm confused :mello:
Can somebody explain this to me???


And publishing time is very... hmm.. interesting :smilerolleyes:
 
@ TheLastTear, I've not got time to find the info on that at the moment, but if you do some research you'll find the connections.


@ HemlockDevi & Gaiaschild ~ yes, there are several, but also many connected too.

Back to who was the lawyer for both Michael & Sony, since no one has answered I continued to search for this information and it was Allen Grubman, Tommy Mottola's lawyer friend:

source
extracts from
"Tommy Boy"
By Robert Sam Anson
From Vanity Fair - November 1996
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7867/docTommy12-96.htm
 
@ TheLastTear, I've not got time to find the info on that at the moment, but if you do some research you'll find the connections.


@ HemlockDevi & Gaiaschild ~ yes, there are several, but also many connected too.

Back to who was the lawyer for both Michael & Sony, since no one has answered I continued to search for this information and it was Allen Grubman, Tommy Mottola's lawyer friend:

source
extracts from
"Tommy Boy"
By Robert Sam Anson
From Vanity Fair - November 1996
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7867/docTommy12-96.htm

Thank you very much for that information
 
@ TheLastTear, I've not got time to find the info on that at the moment, but if you do some research you'll find the connections.


@ HemlockDevi & Gaiaschild ~ yes, there are several, but also many connected too.

Back to who was the lawyer for both Michael & Sony, since no one has answered I continued to search for this information and it was Allen Grubman, Tommy Mottola's lawyer friend:

source
extracts from
"Tommy Boy"
By Robert Sam Anson
From Vanity Fair - November 1996
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7867/docTommy12-96.htm


I found an interesting article where Allen Grubman also represented CBS and Billy joel , the same conflict of interest, so it seems he has done this before!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/76712
 
Sony and BMG quit playing solo in the race to the watchdog's office
Mergers and acquisitions are back: big five play musical chairs
Friday 7 November 2003 10.58 GMT

Sony and BMG yesterday announced they intend to merge their recorded music businesses, bringing together artists such as BMG's Pink and Sony's Beyoncé Knowles. They said they have signed a non-binding letter of intent to form a joint venture which would be half owned by the Japanese electronics group Sony and half by the German media group, Bertelsmann, which owns BMG. The announcement extends the game of musical chairs that has been going on in the record industry. EMI is understood to be close to securing a $1bn (£600m) loan to fund an acquisition of the recorded music assets of Time Warner.

Sony BMG, as the new venture would be known, would only include the recorded music divisions of BMG and Sony, not music publishing, and Sony's Japanese music business would not be included. No cash would change hands, it is believed. Due diligence will continue, and the companies could be ready to sign a deal within a month, a source close to the situation said. The companies confirmed that BMG chief Rolf Schmidt-Holtz would be chairman of the new joint venture while Sony's boss, Andrew Lack, would be chief executive.

Sony BMG has already had informal discussions with the tough competition regulators at the European commission. They would formally ask for permission to merge after a deal has been signed. The progress of the new venture puts pressure on EMI and Warner to complete their deal. It is widely expected in the industry that regulators could allow the big five music majors to become four, but not for four to become three. Therefore who gets to the regulators first could be crucial. In 2000, regulators blocked a merger between EMI and Warner Music.

The other music major is Universal, the world's largest recording business with a 26% market share, which is excluded on competition grounds. The combination of Sony and BMG would have a 25% share while EMI and Warner would have 24%. The music majors are trying to merge so they can cut costs and alleviate the problems the record industry has experienced in recent years. It has suffered from illegal downloading of music from the internet and the better quality of bootleg CDs. Worldwide music sales have been in free fall now for three years.

However, the music publishing business, which exploits music rights rather than trying to break new acts, has fared better. At present this is not included in any of the mega-mergers being discussed. "If you were patching up a sinking ship, the recorded music vessel would have the bigger leaks," said Marcus Anselm, a music specialist at corporate finance boutique LongAcre Partners. "The current business model for recorded music going forward just doesn't work... but I am not sure that a merger is a long-term answer." Time Warner is considering a sale of its music publishing business, Warner Chappell, and several independent publishers, including Carlin America and Peermusic, are talking to financial backers about a deal. Sony ATV, a joint venture between Sony Corporation and singer Michael Jackson, is also looking at acquiring Warner Chappell.

It is not clear whether Bertelsmann would keep hold of BMG's music publishing business or seek to sell it once its recorded music division had joined with Sony's. As Sony BMG's letter of intent is non-binding, speculation continued that BMG could be playing a game with Sony in an attempt to bring Warner back to the negotiating table. They had been trying to do a deal until talks broke down in September, when Warner turned to EMI and BMG to Sony. A source close to BMG said: "These [Sony-BMG] talks are exclusive, a third party couldn't come in."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/nov/07/citynews.business

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Sony BMG seeks Michael Jackson's backing for move to sign songwriters
Dan Sabbagh, Media Editor
July 5, 2007

Sony is in talks with Michael Jackson to renegotiate the terms of their music publishing joint-venture, which would allow Sony BMG, the sister company, to sign songwriters for the first time.


A clause in the existing agreement between the Thriller singer and the Japanese electronics giant prevents Sony backing a music publisher to rival their Sony/ATV venture, which has the copyrights to all 252 Beatles songs in its catalogue. If Sony can persuade its volatile and cash-strapped business partner to relax or even erase the clause as part of the negotiations, that would allow Sony BMG, the recorded music concern, to become a part-competitor.


Sony BMG is desperate to enter the music publishing market because it would help to offset the collapse in recorded music and would allow the record label behind Justin Timberlake and Bob Dylan to sign up songwriters in tandem with acts. Recorded music sales are expected to be off by as much as 11 per cent this year, but publishing has been more stable because it generates income from growing areas, such as radio airplay and use of music in advertising as well as CD and download sales.


Rolf Schmidt-Holz, Sony BMG’s chief executive, said in May that “we will do everything to reenter the market for music publishing”. His remarks surprised rival executives, who knew that a decision to go into publishing was not within his power. However, the existence of the previously unknown discussions explains his confidence.


Discussions between Sony and Jackson are at an early stage and could collapse. Relations between the two have been strained in the past. Sony/ATV has faced problems making acquisitions because contacting the controversial star quickly enough to agree bids has been difficult. Jackson recently agreed to allow Sony/ATV to expand aggressively under Marty Bandier, the newly appointed chief executive. The company now also has an option, which it has so far declined to exercise, to buy a further 25 per cent of the business from its partner.
It is unclear how far the shareholder agreement between the two parties will be relaxed. There are hopes that Jackson will not have to be paid, although if that is the case he is likely to insist that Sony BMG can only sign up a handful of songwriters.


Half-owned by Sony and Bertlesmann, of Germany, Sony BMG is the second-largest recorded music company in the world, but it is unique because the company does not include a publishing arm. The music business is traditionally split into two halves. Recorded music operations find, develop and promote artists, while music publishing units handle and manage songwriter copyrights. Its rivals Universal, EMI and Warner Music all conduct both activities.


Sony and Sony BMG declined to comment.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2028494.ece
 
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