Mark Geragos on His Client Frank Cascio vs Michael Jackson

[Harun]

Is it real that Star Arvizio testimoned in 2003…. That mj abused the Cascio Daughter???

 

[Lightbringer]

Is it real that Star Arvizio testimoned in 2003…. That mj abused the Cascio Daughter???

Why are you asking this particular question today? Surely you must have some kind of source or something trigger that specific question!

 

[Harun]

Im catching all the Information from everywhere not only this Forum and for example in Reddit there is this topic.

 

[christy]

Can someone look up this 2019 California law enactment..
Gerogos claimed any NDA's (Non Disclosures Agreements) made after this 2019 California law
involving csa (child sexual abuses) will be disclosurable.
I don't like his body language, shifty, ... as if to hint that a bomb shell is in the works
to blow this sh*t outta the waters and that he could be representing the Cascios.
Earlier in the podcast with Levin..he claims that " the estate's right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing"
and that, they ( mj's estate), apparently were in the dark of this when pursuing the biopic ...

 

[wendijane]

Frank Cascio is officially coming forward as a victim of child sex abuse at the hands of Michael Jackson via his attorney Mark Geragos.

Frank sit down. Stop lying.
If you were abused you would have not been supporting him in court all those years ago. Shut your yap. Sick of this .



Here comes another greedy fool.
Literally, these people ...

 

[kelley]

Rather than bury our head in the sand?

If the media is barely covering this, it's makes zero sense for fans to be spreading it around further.

Yet again you have another go at the fans , why not take your anger out on the media and tell them what you really think?

This is a fans forum, if you don’t like it feel free to leave

Harun is not a fan, and if you can't see that...well you're suspect yourself.

 

[#applehead24]

If the media is barely covering this, it's makes zero sense for fans to be spreading it around further.

It’s not so much spreading it around so much as just informing other fans. Enlightening those that don’t know so as to broadening our education on the topic

 

[Harun]

If the media is barely covering this, it's makes zero sense for fans to be spreading it around further.


Harun is not a fan, and if you can't see that...well you're suspect yourself.

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[Lightbringer]

If the media is barely covering this, it's makes zero sense for fans to be spreading it around further.


Harun is not a fan, and if you can't see that...well you're suspect yourself.

Who has been spreading it around further and in what way? I quoted you earlier today and made it pretty clear Arckangel has not been doing what you accused him/her of, but please make an argument as I do not understand your reasoning!

 

[SeeingVoices]

I really don’t think I’ve got the bandwidth for another set of allegations!

When will the media start to interrogate these accusers and hold them accountable. Every single one of them are crooks with shady backgrounds.

It’s never an accuser who isn’t known to have exploited Michael. Or an accuser who isn’t financially motivated.

NGL, I’m scared that based from MG’s interview, they intend to drop bombs and grenades to try and derail the biopic if they don’t get what they want. The media will be like pigs in shit pushing their agenda to destroy Michael.

This is going to be a battlefield if the gag order is ruled to be unlawful!

 

[jasmine.uddin]

I really don’t think I’ve got the bandwidth for another set of allegations!

When will the media start to interrogate these accusers and hold them accountable. Every single one of them are crooks with shady backgrounds.

It’s never an accuser who isn’t known to have exploited Michael. Or an accuser who isn’t financially motivated.

NGL, I’m scared that based from MG’s interview, they intend to drop bombs and grenades to try and derail the biopic if they don’t get what they want. The media will be like pigs in shit pushing their agenda to destroy Michael.

This is going to be a battlefield if the gag order is ruled to be unlawful!

The timing is very suspect, I don't think there has been any further developments in the legal proceedings so this interview seems very random. But seems in keeping with a pattern of blackmail now that the trailer is releasing soon.

The sad reality is that these crooks will not be questioned by the wider media/public, WR and JS weren't questioned even though WR testified in court for MJ.

To us fans who know the Cascio history, these allegations are ridiculous, but to those not of the MJ world, the Cascios story corroborates decades of abuse allegations and adds to the growing list of accusers.

It was a pleasant surprise to hear Harvey TMZ was somewhat neutral. For those who watched the interview, did Harvey bring up the fake songs and FC book, and what does the comment section reflect? Would really appreciate a summary of the content for those of us who can't bring ourselves to watch it.

 

[1nn5]

I wonder if they will join Wade and James lawsuit, since the main subject is the same.

 

[Lightbringer]

I wonder if they will join Wade and James lawsuit, since the main subject is the same.

I hope they will not be allowed or able to do that if they get free´d up because I think that would pretty mean the case is impossible to win. If you have 7 different people showing up to witness about similar abuse and grooming etc, I just dont see with the 50.01 vs 49.99 % burden of proof in a civil trial how a jury or judge wont convict! As they would also think "oh its just the super rich companies or the Estate paying damages anyways"

Instead of possible deciding against 7 different alleged victim of child abuse! T

Even if the Cascios can just build their cases from the Robson & Safechuck stories its still hard for people to grasp that 7 people would all join into to lie. Whoever is making the decision will also have Chandler & Arvizo in the back of their minds as well and Francia if they get educated on that during the trial.

If it was a criminal court with burden beyond a reasonable doubt it would be a completely different matter!

Also note that we now allegedly have our first female victim as its being claimed all the Cascio children were victimized! That does not line up with the common theme that MJ only liked boys so to speak!

Overall its just a shit storm of giant proportions! I can not imagine to have the biopic come out possible in the midst of the Cascios wrecking havoc! The movie should already have been released, now it risks ending up as a complete clusterfeck tbh!

Sorry guys, just being realistic here!

 

[etoile 37]

I hope they will not be allowed or able to do that if they get free´d up because I think that would pretty mean the case is impossible to win. If you have 7 different people showing up to witness about similar abuse and grooming etc, I just dont see with the 50.01 vs 49.99 % burden of proof in a civil trial how a jury or judge wont convict! As they would also think "oh its just the super rich companies or the Estate paying damages anyways"

Instead of possible deciding against 7 different alleged victim of child abuse! T

Even if the Cascios can just build their cases from the Robson & Safechuck stories its still hard for people to grasp that 7 people would all join into to lie. Whoever is making the decision will also have Chandler & Arvizo in the back of their minds as well and Francia if they get educated on that during the trial.

All of them have serious credibility issues, their number is irrelevant. 7 liars still look and sound like liars. Wade Robson and all the Cascios went out of their way to defend Michael for years after his death! And even after they made their allegations, Robson and Safechuck could never keep their story straight, there's like 4 or 5 different versions of their lies. What is a jury supposed to do with that? One by one, they're gonna get destroyed on the stand as their lies are exposed. 7 people are irrelevant if not a single one of them can convince a jury.

Also note that we now allegedly have our first female victim as its being claimed all the Cascio children were victimized! That does not line up with the common theme that MJ only liked boys so to speak!

The second one, you forgot Jane Doe. She just disappeared after the guilters refused to believe her story because she was a girl and it was going against their "Michael liked only boys" narrative. Back then, Jane Doe had to claim Michael abused her because she was a tomboy and looked like a boy. I wonder if the guilters will reject Marie-Nicole like they rejected Jane Doe. They really don't like girls...

 

[Lightbringer]

All of them have serious credibility issues, their number is irrelevant. 7 liars still look and sound like liars. Wade Robson and all the Cascios went out of their way to defend Michael for years after his death! And even after they made their allegations, Robson and Safechuck could never keep their story straight, there's like 4 or 5 different versions of their lies. What is a jury supposed to do with that? One by one, they're gonna get destroyed on the stand as their lies are exposed. 7 people are irrelevant if not a single one of them can convince a jury.

The second one, you forgot Jane Doe. She just disappeared after the guilters refused to believe her story because she was a girl and it was going against their "Michael liked only boys" narrative. Back then, Jane Doe had to claim Michael abused her because she was a tomboy and looked like a boy. I wonder if the guilters will reject Marie-Nicole like they rejected Jane Doe. They really don't like girls...

I know, but the public bought Leaving Neverland completely despite Robson praising & defending MJ etc. As it could be explained by him being traumatized and brainwashed by MJ as they claim. (which in fact does happen to some victims, which is why people tend to believe it happens to every victim) Which is exactly the same strategy the Cascios are using we are to believe whats out thus far.

So the whole thing with them having many versions of events, or changing their storys if the jury or judge think that explanation is just as likely, that its a 50-50 coin toss, then its over for the MJ Estate. They dont have prove that MJ did it, only that its more likely than not that it happened, which is a completely different ball game!

Also the jury knows MJ wont go to prison and he is dead so he wont personally suffer from a verdict against the estate while the accusers are alive. I hope I am wrong but I do think all of these things will come into play! I also believe that is the reason Robson & Safechuck were allowed to proceed to court even as seemed the estate won arguments and the judge just sent it through anyway!

And yes, I did not include Jane Doe as she pulled out of the lawsuit before it got anywhere so nobody except the hardcore fans or guilter has picked up she was even in there to begin with. If we would have a female alleged victim sitting in a court room speaking about it would rock the very foundation of the accusations against MJ!

This trial might last 5-6 months if the Cascios would be allowed to join, which of course is not a given at all at this point!

 

[etoile 37]

I know, but the public bought Leaving Neverland completely despite Robson praising & defending MJ etc.

The public only heard a one-sided documentary, you can't even compare that to what will happen in a courtroom. The jury will hear both sides, and that cross-examination won't be pretty.

So the whole thing with them having many versions of events, or changing their storys if the jury or judge think that explanation is just as likely, that its a 50-50 coin toss, then its over for the MJ Estate. They dont have prove that MJ did it, only that its more likely than not that it happened, which is a completely different ball game!

Do you believe that it more likely than not happened? In the train station that didn't exist?

But that is not the question that the jury will have to answer here, because they are not suing MJ, they are suing his company, so they not only have to prove that MJ did it, they also have to prove that MJ's company is responsible for the abuse. And that sounds rather ridiculous even if someone were to believe that MJ is guilty.

Also the jury knows MJ wont go to prison and he is dead so he wont personally suffer from a verdict against the estate while the accusers are alive.

Of course, only his innocent children will have to pay... Now that MJ is dead, let's just give all his money away, no need for a trial! It's just his children's money after all! The fact that those people are not going after their "abuser's" money, but are after his children's money, that doesn't make them look good. Anyone who comes up with allegations now 15 years after his death already loses credibility points just for that. And the longer they wait, the less credible they look, especially if they're writing books about how wonderful Michael was in the meantime.

Is it real that Star Arvizio testimoned in 2003…. That mj abused the Cascio Daughter???

No, why? Did someone claim that on that subreddit? You can read the court transcripts here: https://themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/the-court-transcripts/

 

[Lightbringer]

No, why? Did someone claim that on that subreddit? You can read the court transcripts here: https://themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/the-court-transcripts/

Good that you corrected Harun, I was actually just looking up the same site earlier today and was going to upload Stars testimony only for Harun to read

Harun, dont hang around too much on reddit if its the place I think you are you are visiting there is lots of misinformation and lies being spread there on purpose to poison the mind of people!

 

[Harun]

Good that you corrected Harun, I was actually just looking up the same site earlier today and was going to upload Stars testimony only for Harun to read

Harun, dont hang around too much on reddit if its the place I think you are you are visiting there is lots of misinformation and lies being spread there on porpuse to poison the mind of people!

He Said it in his testimony before Court

 

[Arckangel]

The way it looks the only way this is not going public is if The Estate can keep the Cascios from talking to the media and filing public lawsuits about
this. Or if the Estate settles the case and gives The Cascios enough money so they wont need any more before they are all dead!

With the biopic coming up and the trial vs Safechuck & Robson I am not optimistic of this not hitting the public! Of course it could be a disaster if there would be another civil lawsuit against MJJ Productions & MJJ ventures or if the cascios were to be able to join Safechucks & Robsons lawsuit!

Of course Geragos and the cascios knows the biopic is very important to the estate and that the estate might actually save money from settling with them and having the biopic haul in big money rather than for the film to flop and having molestation lawsuits to litigate for the next 5-10 years!

Its a complete nightmare to the Estate and the people in charge of the biopic, it could become absolutely chaos!

That's the thing... The five Cascios already got $3.3M each—officially for their life story, but that was a cover.

I get why the Estate did that: they feared that five new accusers who were close to MJ would be too damaging so close after LN.

But did that stop the Cascio mafia? No. They came back for more—$213M, then reduced to $44M—several years later. Even greed can't explain such lengths—it's vindictive.


The vast majority of real sex assault victims (in the world, not just the US) don't get $100K, $10K, or even $1,000. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of victims don't get anything at all!

In Canada, the average retirement income is less than $1,000 per month: it's currently $900 CAD, which amounts to $640 USD.

Yet, those five got $3.3M each they did not even deserved, they did not work for, they did not inherit. They got it just by making up allegations they cannot prove.


To placate them w/ even more money is not the way to go, I think. They may still come back for more like they are doing now, accusing the Estate of silencing them when they are the one who requested the money. And it gives the guilters more ammo to their "silencing" narrative.

Frank is eager to speak publicly, and he's now doing so via Mark Geragos... I don't think those types can be "tamed" for long. What needs to be done is a solid rebuttal, possibly before they even completely go public with their awful, perverted lies. (Taj may need to edit his documentary accordingly.)

One needs to be very sick in the head (a pedofantasist) to make up such lies—even for money.

 

[Arckangel]

Is it real that Star Arvizio testimoned in 2003…. That mj abused the Cascio Daughter???

I'd need to look it up, but Star and Gavin did testify about an adult Frank Cascio showing them porn at Neverland in Michael's approving presence. (Nude girls that looked 15–25 on a porn site. Of course, it's a lie. No evidence. No conviction.)

Frank now wants us to believe all accusers... If so, Star and Gavin should be believed, and Frank is a pedophile himself.

 

[Blues_Away2023]

These allegations will simply never go away. It’s a huge black mark on Michael’s legacy.

We’re all sick to death of it. I agree that the Cascio siblings are not credible but, I still hate the fact that MJ is accused of these truly disgusting crimes.

So many of these fuckers seeking large sums of money

 

[jasmine.uddin]

During 93 and 05, they tried so hard to find more than 1 accuser, and they couldn't. That was probably the most noticeable difference between MJ accusations compared to the accusations of others during the me too movement.

It certainly seems very strategic that WR and JS ( as well as the female accuser) paired up, and now the 5 Cascios are grouped together. They seem to be seeking safety in numbers. The growing number of accusers does increase suspicion.

WR and JS lack credibility and yet they have managed to drag litigation for a decade. Imagine 5 more as well as the female accuser added to that. And any other child MJ foolishly held dear that wants to jump on the bandwagon now as an adult. MJ couldn't trust his own family, didn't even trust them enough to leave his own kids with them after his death, and yet he blindly trusted all these other families.

It baffles me he didn't learn after the whole JC ordeal. It was a giant red flag and he refused to see it. When Diane Sawyer asked him that question, he should have said he will always do what he can to help childrens causes but will no longer be personally involved with helping children so not to put himself in such a vulnerable situation. That's what one does when one is burned, you stay away from the situation that burned you. MJ chose to keep all these leeches around and that's on him, especially as nearly all of them have questionable character.

Well those chickens have come home to roost now, and its not going to be pretty for a really long time. But as MJ fans, it's not like we know any different anyway. Child sexual abuse allegations are as much as his legacy as the music at this point.

 

[Blues_Away2023]

During 93 and 05, they tried so hard to find more than 1 accuser, and they couldn't. That was probably the most noticeable difference between MJ accusations compared to the accusations of others during the me too movement.

It certainly seems very strategic that WR and JS ( as well as the female accuser) paired up, and now the 5 Cascios are grouped together. They seem to be seeking safety in numbers. The growing number of accusers does increase suspicion.

WR and JS lack credibility and yet they have managed to drag litigation for a decade. Imagine 5 more as well as the female accuser added to that. And any other child MJ foolishly held dear that wants to jump on the bandwagon now as an adult. MJ couldn't trust his own family, didn't even trust them enough to leave his own kids with them after his death, and yet he blindly trusted all these other families.

It baffles me he didn't learn after the whole JC ordeal. It was a giant red flag and he refused to see it. When Diane Sawyer asked him that question, he should have said he will always do what he can to help childrens causes but will no longer be personally involved with helping children so not to put himself in such a vulnerable situation. That's what one does when one is burned, you stay away from the situation that burned you. MJ chose to keep all these leeches around and that's on him, especially as nearly all of them have questionable character.

Well those chickens have come home to roost now, and its not going to pretty for a really long time. But as MJ fans, it's not like we know any different anyway. Child sexual abuse allegations are as much as his legacy as the music at this point.

I’m angry at MJ for allowing himself to be caught up in these situations. As you rightly said, after the Chandler stuff he should have distanced himself completely, yet he continued doing exactly what he wanted.

It was not good for his image.

Who’s next? Brett Barnes? I’m surprised he’s never came forward at this point.

The whole thing is ridiculous but one day I fear a victim will eventually win in court and if they do , it will open the floodgates and MJ’s career will be ruined.

 

[jasmine.uddin]

I’m angry at MJ for allowing himself to be caught up in these situations. As you rightly said, after the Chandler stuff he should have distanced himself completely, yet he continued doing exactly what he wanted.

It was not good for his image.

Who’s next? Brett Barnes? I’m surprised he’s never came forward at this point.

The whole thing is ridiculous but one day I fear a victim will eventually win in court and if they do , it will open the floodgates and MJ’s career will be ruined.

The fact that 'who's next' is always an ongoing possibility is what concerns me the most too. I think we will reach a point where the validity of the accusations is overshadowed by the sheer number of accusations. I'm angry too, MJ doesn't deserve to be falsely accused but I'm tired of justifying his bad choices. This time it has nothing to do with the big bad press, this is a direct result of the people he chose to attach himself to.

If you choose to live by a sword, you die by that same sword too. And by carrying on the way he did after JC, he chose his sword to live by.

Anyway, I'm mindful that my tone is overly pessimistic and that this may cause further upset on an already upsetting situation. Hopefully someone can bring some much needed balance to this, unfortunately I'm not there yet.

 

[Lightbringer]

Just wanted to add that the TMZ interviewer had such a great memory about everything but he failed to mention that the Cascio brothers defrauded the estate, the fans and general public by making a fortune selling fakes songs claiming MJ recorded them in their shower etc when it was sung by an imposter. You would think that would be something to at least briefly bring up as it also shows a past of greedy & deception from the Cascios!

 

[Oldtimer]

Just wanted to add that the TMZ interviewer had such a great memory about everything but he failed to mention that the Cascio brothers defrauded the estate, the fans and general public by making a fortune selling fakes songs claiming MJ recorded them in their shower etc when it was sung by an imposter. You would think that would be something to at least briefly bring up as it also shows a past of greedy & deception from the Cascios!

Who was the imposter?

 

[Lightbringer]

Who was the imposter?

That I believe is not 100% confirmed but we all know that it was not Michael Jackson singing on the cascio tracks, whether it was Jason Malachi or someone else, the Cascios obviously were brazenly scamming everyone to make a quick BIG buck!

The host remembered the cascios "recording" the tracks with MJ at their house but not the following controversy which ended up with the songs being pulled and the Vera Serova lawsuit settled out of court! These guys pulled the most greedy con-job in music history and yet it was not brought up by TMZ.

 

[Lightbringer]

Btw, a bit of a side tracking here, was Frank Cascio the one that were accused by fans of having sex with fans in MJs room while MJ was not at Neverland? And hosting parties with much alcohol and erotic stuff to that effect? While also bad mouthing MJ to guests etc. I am not positive it was him but I am pretty sure it was! If those stories are true I guess Frank has been kind of all over the place a bit!

 

[jasmine.uddin]

Btw, a bit of a side tracking here, was Frank Cascio the one that were accused by fans of having sex with fans in MJs room while MJ was not at Neverland? And hosting parties with much alcohol and erotic stuff to that effect? While also bad mouthing MJ to guests etc.

I've only heard the rumour about FC sleeping with fans in order to allow fans access to MJ. I don't think any of this was substantiated, I think it was rumours from follower fans and the online fan community at the time.

@Moonstreet might be able to shed more light on these rumours, as I believe she was part of the follower fan community at some point.

 

[Lightbringer]

I've only heard the rumour about FC sleeping with fans in order to allow fans access to MJ. I don't think any of this was substantiated, I think it was rumours from follower fans and the online fan community at the time.

@Moonstreet might be able to shed more light on these rumours, as I believe she was part of the follower fan community at some point.

From what I can recall there are witness recollections from fans who observed this at neverland. Of course those fans could be lying or making it up as well. And of course there wont be any proof either way. But I find it hard to believe that Frank behaved like a true gentleman and somehow it was all fabricated, but we cant know for sure. It would not be the first time MJs friends or associated took advantage of him when he was not present, would it?