Mark Geragos on His Client Frank Cascio vs Michael Jackson

I wanna know too ... are ALL the accusations thrown out?
No, it means the dispute will go into arbitration, which means it will be handled behind closed doord, not in public and a judge will decide, not a jury. Sort of like the HBO lawsuit. Remember the contract MJ signed with HBO in 1992 had an arbitration clause. So a judge sided with the Estate on it, and so we never heard of it again because it was handled behind closed doors.
 
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No, it means the dispute will go into arbitration, which means it will be handled behind closed doord, not in public and a judge will decide, not a jury. Sort of like the HBO lawsuit. Remember the contract MJ signed with HBO in 1992 had an arbitration clause. So a judge sided with the Estate on it, and so we never heard of it again because it was handled behind closed doors.
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No, it means the dispute will go into arbitration, which means it will be handled behind closed doord, not in public and a judge will decide, not a jury. Sort of like the HBO lawsuit. Remember the contract MJ signed with HBO in 1992 had an arbitration clause. So a judge sided with the Estate on it, and so we never heard of it again because it was handled behind closed doors.
So this would mean that whatever the family were paid in 2019/2020 could have to be be paid back? They broke the "contract" by speaking out this week.

To a passing person, reading that the MJ Estate is "dealing with abuse allegations behind closed doors" could very well be the message that comes across here, when we (here) know that's not the case.
 
So this would mean that whatever the family were paid in 2019/2020 could have to be be paid back? They broke the "contract" by speaking out this week.

To a passing person, reading that the MJ Estate is "dealing with abuse allegations behind closed doors" could very well be the message that comes across here, when we (here) know that's not the case.
Yes, if the Estate wins in arbitration, the Cascios will have to pay back every penny AND then some….AND……and here comes the reply to the second part in your comment:


Yes, while the arbitration would be done behind closed doors….and that could sound ”bad” for the average public….don’t forget that if the Estate wins in arbitration they WOULD be allowed to issue a starement saying they won and that the judge found it to be a ”shake down”. And that would also mean that the fedeeal lawsuit that the siblings filed, will not go anywhere. It would be permanently iced. None of the Cascios would ever again be able to mention Michael. And if they can’t pay back the money they received AND the Estate’s legal fees AND the interest, the Estate could seize their houses, their income, book royalties…EVERYTHING they own, UNTIL its ALL paid. And if it’s found to be extortion and done with malice, they can’t file bankruptcy to get out if it. They will be paying for as long as they have paid back every penny, including any integest that would be accumulating if they take very long to pay. it bsck. They would also most likely have to pay for all the legal fees that the federal lawsuit accumulated for the Estate too.

So while yes, the arbitration happening behind closed doors sounds ”bad”, the Estate CAN say they won. And the Cascios won’t be allowed to say a peep adter that. EVER.

I was actually wrong about us never having heard about the HBO case afterwards. I remembered wrong. HBO and the Estate acrually came into an agreement and HBO immediately removed Leaving Neverland from all of its platforms. While we don’t know the details of the arbitration or the details of the agreement, we know they made an agreement. The removal of Leaving Neverland and the multimillion dollar agreement pretty much indicates it was a win for the Estate. I doubt they’d be willing to settle with the Cascios. At least I hope they won’t because they have a really stonh case and a win would be a huge win against all the possible future gold diggers trying to make a buck with false accusations. The Casciis already havr the grifter stamp in the public eye but a win would make it official, once and for all.
 
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Si "long" ? J'ai dû en poster 3, très courts !

Je ne parle pas anglais, désolée. Mais j'ai compris le message, je supprime mon compte alors:(
Merci pour "l'accueil". Bonne journée et bonne continuation à vous.
You’re probably not the only one here who doesn’t perfectly understand English. But if you use Google Translate to understand things better, the least you can do is also use it to post in English. No one wants a forum where there are as many languages as nationalities in every post.
 

So this would mean that whatever the family were paid in 2019/2020 could have to be be paid back? They broke the "contract" by speaking out this week.

To a passing person, reading that the MJ Estate is "dealing with abuse allegations behind closed doors" could very well be the message that comes across here, when we (here) know that's not the case.
The Cascio brothers wanted a public hearing to keep putting pressure on the Estate, also using the media to continue publicly damaging Michael’s image, hoping the Estate would eventually cave and agree to a settlement. That was their all-or-nothing move. But they don’t have any chance left.
The mere act of making those allegations violated the previous agreement, under which they had already received $20 million — which was huge. The Estate had agreed to pay that amount for the rights to adapt Frank’s book. But it was probably also a pretext to ensure they wouldn’t turn against Michael the way Robson and Safechuck did. That’s why they made them sign a clause not only forbidding them from ever mentioning that deal, but also committing them to never damage Michael’s image.
Now that the money is gone, they tried a last-ditch move. But now they’ll have to compensate the Estate and pay their lawyers, who, in my opinion, probably played along by taking the risk of working for a while on credit, hoping to hit the jackpot.

But I believe what the Cascios will have to pay corresponds to the damages owed to the Estate. In absolute terms, it is probably higher than the $20 million the Estate paid for that script deal based on Frank’s book. But I think it will end up being less than that. What is certain is that it will still be beyond their current financial means.
 
The Cascio brothers wanted a public hearing to keep putting pressure on the Estate, also using the media to continue publicly damaging Michael’s image, hoping the Estate would eventually cave and agree to a settlement. That was their all-or-nothing move. But they don’t have any chance left.
The mere act of making those allegations violated the previous agreement, under which they had already received $20 million — which was huge. The Estate had agreed to pay that amount for the rights to adapt Frank’s book. But it was probably also a pretext to ensure they wouldn’t turn against Michael the way Robson and Safechuck did. That’s why they made them sign a clause not only forbidding them from ever mentioning that deal, but also committing them to never damage Michael’s image.
Now that the money is gone, they tried a last-ditch move. But now they’ll have to compensate the Estate and pay their lawyers, who, in my opinion, probably played along by taking the risk of working for a while on credit, hoping to hit the jackpot.

But I believe what the Cascios will have to pay corresponds to the damages owed to the Estate. In absolute terms, it is probably higher than the $20 million the Estate paid for that script deal based on Frank’s book. But I think it will end up being less than that. What is certain is that it will still be beyond their current financial means.
If it’s true that Frank was shopping a mini-series based on his book and the Estate was planning a biopic, it would make sense that they would want to get ”life rights” to their name and character to be able to possibly use them in a future project. Could have also meant that they wanted to squash the mini-series, at least for now, in favor of the biopic. If the Cascios would’ve played it right and would’ve been patient instead of greedy, they could’ve made money afterwards by doing TV interviews. I mean imagine the interest after the biopic and especially if they were included in a possible sequel, or if the Estate would’ve went on to do the mini-series after the biopic?! The interest in them could’ve been huge and they could’ve done the rounds as MJ’s friends and made tons of money from interviews etc.. But, as it is with greed…now they will just be known as grifters and as the family that betrayed Michael in the worst kind of way.

I think after Leaving Neverland, they probably thought that MJ’s reputation will be gone, and since the fake songs didn’t work out, and since MJ isn’t here any longer…they probably accepted the money to get SOMETHING out of their MJ connection when they still can. I doubt they were making any allegations then, probably just accepted because they thought they can’t sell their MJ connection any longer.

But then when they saw that MJ is actually bigger than ever and everyone loves him and Leaving Neverland did nothing, they probably got mad because they realized they got ”just” $3 million each and wanted to get more. Or realized that since Michael was as popular as ever, they could’ve sold the rights for much more maybe. And when they couldn’t, they were pissed and thought they are cleaver and threaten to go public with allegations because they figured the Estate would SURELY pay right away, and then it backfired and everyone figured out it’s them who are being greedy, and they were probably pissed off that their plan didn’t work and then decided to go through with their extortion plan.

But they basically handed the Estate proof of extortion on a silver platter. I mean, they said that if they won’t get paid, they will go public. What better proof to present in court for the Estate than showing that since they didn’t get paid and since the Estate enforced the arbitration clause that would require it to be handled quietly…they went on to file a public child trafficking lawsuit to make it public. I mean that is just perfect proof of doing exactly what you were threatening to do unless you get paid.

I can’t see how any judge would let that slide. It is literally proof of executing your threat. And as I said, Geragos was just involved in a $20 million extortion attempt against Nike, so that will not help the Cascios in front of a judge either. Plus the fact that he used to be MJ’s defense lawyer, like I said, it ruvs a lot of people the wrong way because it’s very problemstic ethics wise. And tge Cascios saying they were made to ”hide” from Geragos and Geragos corroborating it…just to get him out of the attorney-client privilege and making him able to represent the Cascios…Come on! 🙄😂 Anyone can see through that. 🙄 Especially since Geragos and the Cascios are in an attorney-client relationship, so the Estate couldn’t even question them about it because both would just say ”Can’t answer, attorney-client privilege”. But that what they are doing in regards to that too should be very transparent to any judge. I mean, the judges aren’t stupid. 🙄 If the judge is someone who holds ethics in high regards, he will not be a willing to participate in Geragos’s ganes and will not be taking it lightly and is going to be extra vigilant. And the Cascio’s extortion game and sudden flip is SO apparent that I can’t see any judge with any sense of ethics and justice going along with it!! So I’m hoping the judge who will decide will be one who has high morals and high regard for ethics and justice. 🙏🏻 Someone who won’t support all this bullshit and extortion attempts! 🙏🏻
 
This is what I have always thought, Mike helping him out for that reason
Well, I doubt MJ would make someone ”slow” his personal assistant though. I think Karen thinks she is helping but she hasn’t exactly thought of what she is posting publically through. Unless she is on the Cascio’s side. 🙄 I never got the impression that Frank would be ”slow”. He wouldn’t be negotiating a $50 million dollar deal to buy a soccer team if he were ”slow”. 🙄 Also, the fact of him even negotiating or planning to buy a soccer team with that much if money PROVES that he knows EXACTLY how contracts work. But of course he is now playing to be ”oh so dyslexic and slow and innocent” to get out of the contract. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Same with Marie. She is a friggin’ CONSULTANT for K-11 education facilities. As a consultant she will know how contracts work. The 2020 contract wouldn’t be the first one to sign in her life. Aldo also has a university degree. So he isn’t some high school drop out either who is ”barely able to read or write” or some imbecile with an IQ of 40 who would not be capable of thinking for himself and knowing what a contract or signing a contract means. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Also, being dyslexic does not equal being ”slow” or ”stupid”. There are LAWYERS and teachers who are dyslexic!! Erin Brokovic was dyslexic! Besides, from what we heard, they are saying the contract was also READ out loud to them, so not only did Frank get to read it, it was also READ to him, so his dyslexia shouldn’t be an issue. Unless he has a hearing impairment also (watch him use that as an excuse in 3,2,1 .if it ever comes up! 😂😂).

Anyways, point is, there is EVIDENCE of all of them being educated and very faniliar with how business and contracts work. I mean their PARENTS who are friggin’ BUSINESS OWNERS were present, FFS!!!!! They have owned and run a restaurant for DECADES, so I wiuld be very interested in hearing THEIR excuse as to apparently not knowing how a contract works and ”being pressured to sign”. As I said….even if someone says take it or leave it…if you feel pressured or rushed, you always have the option of saying ”Nah, no thank you!” 🤷‍♀️🙄
 
Well, I doubt MJ would make someone ”slow” his personal assistant though. I think Karen thinks she is helping but she hasn’t exactly thought of what she is posting publically through. Unless she is on the Cascio’s side. 🙄 I never got the impression that Frank would be ”slow”. He wouldn’t be negotiating a $50 million dollar deal to buy a soccer team if he were ”slow”. 🙄 Also, the fact of him even negotiating or planning to buy a soccer team with that much if money PROVES that he knows EXACTLY how contracts work. But of course he is now playing to be ”oh so dyslexic and slow and innocent” to get out of the contract. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Same with Marie. She is a friggin’ CONSULTANT for K-11 education facilities. As a consultant she will know how contracts work. The 2020 contract wouldn’t be the first one to sign in her life. Aldo also has a university degree. So he isn’t some high school drop out either who is ”barely able to read or write” or some imbecile with an IQ of 40 who would not be capable of thinking for himself and knowing what a contract or signing a contract means. 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Also, being dyslexic does not equal being ”slow” or ”stupid”. There are LAWYERS and teachers who are dyslexic!! Erin Brokovic was dyslexic! Besides, from what we heard, they are saying the contract was also READ out loud to them, so not only did Frank get to read it, it was also READ to him, so his dyslexia shouldn’t be an issue. Unless he has a hearing impairment also (watch him use that as an excuse in 3,2,1 .if it ever comes up! 😂😂).

Anyways, point is, there is EVIDENCE of all of them being educated and very faniliar with how business and contracts work. I mean their PARENTS who are friggin’ BUSINESS OWNERS were present, FFS!!!!! They have owned and run a restaurant for DECADES, so I wiuld be very interested in hearing THEIR excuse as to apparently not knowing how a contract works and ”being pressured to sign”. As I said….even if someone says take it or leave it…if you feel pressured or rushed, you always have the option of saying ”Nah, no thank you!” 🤷‍♀️🙄
“‘Michael’s assistant’ is a big word, ultimately meaningless when it comes to Frank. Frank Cascio has no education, no talent; he was part of MJ’s circle out of friendship and charity. All the contracts he claims to have negotiated and finalized for Michael—he, unsurprisingly, is never credited: Take 2 at Fox in 2003, the Private Home Movies, the 30th anniversary concert at MSG… Not to mention certain merchandising projects and other profits he claims to have negotiated that were supposedly worth billions (it was actually people like Dieter Wiesner who even provided proof regarding the ‘MJ Universe,’ which involved billionaires like the Sultan of Brunei’s son).
MJ wasn’t stupid enough to entrust his affairs to a guy who had barely finished high school and to whom he always paid everything. It’s the same profile as Wade Robson, who at least had talent in dance. The rest of his family (who were less involved with Michael) very likely had a minimum level of education, unlike him. Now, when you listen to him in interviews, or even just look at his face, the least you can say is that he doesn’t seem particularly bright. And maybe that’s precisely why he managed to drag his family into this dead end. Unlike him, they could have continued living their own little lives without Michael being at the center.
 
i cant believe how stupid and naiv ALL the cascios actually are. how can you sign the contract and then still blackmail the estate??? isnt it obvious that it wil backfire? also, why claiming that EVERY cascio sibling got molested? wouldnt it be smarter if at least one of them would not join these claims? because now they are ALL f*cked up...
 
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“‘Michael’s assistant’ is a big word, ultimately meaningless when it comes to Frank. Frank Cascio has no education, no talent; he was part of MJ’s circle out of friendship and charity. All the contracts he claims to have negotiated and finalized for Michael—he, unsurprisingly, is never credited: Take 2 at Fox in 2003, the Private Home Movies, the 30th anniversary concert at MSG… Not to mention certain merchandising projects and other profits he claims to have negotiated that were supposedly worth billions (it was actually people like Dieter Wiesner who even provided proof regarding the ‘MJ Universe,’ which involved billionaires like the Sultan of Brunei’s son).
MJ wasn’t stupid enough to entrust his affairs to a guy who had barely finished high school and to whom he always paid everything. It’s the same profile as Wade Robson, who at least had talent in dance. The rest of his family (who were less involved with Michael) very likely had a minimum level of education, unlike him. Now, when you listen to him in interviews, or even just look at his face, the least you can say is that he doesn’t seem particularly bright. And maybe that’s precisely why he managed to drag his family into this dead end. Unlike him, they could have continued living their own little lives without Michael being at the center.
Well I doubt that Frank was signing or organizing business deals for Michael either, but I mean still, as a personal assistant, he would have come into contact with a lot of people and if he were really slow..I doubt he would’ve gotten the title. But even if he did just give him a title to be nice and to help him get an income….Frank wouldn’t be negotiating a $50 million dollar soccer team deal if he was slow. I’m not claiming he’s a rocket scientist and I have no clue what his education is…but someone who is slow is not going to be even discussing multimillion dollar business deals. There’s no way anyone in those circles would even entertain that thought. So he isn’t an idiot with an IQ of 50 or someone incapable of reading or writing or signing a contract and thinking for himself. I mean, he signed a book deal and wrote a book, so…clearly he is capable of making and signing a contract..THAT was my point. ALL of them have had previous experience with signing a contract and as I said…ESPECIALLY the parents as decade long business owners certainly do know how that works. I mean the dad was a hotel manager for a luxury hotel in NYC FFS!!! He wasn’t a manager for some one star bed & breakfast but for a five star luxury hotel!! You need to be business savy for the job. And the parents were PRESENT! So if the kids were too stupid or felt too ”pressured” to sign, their parents with DECADES of business experience were also there!! So them acting all innnocent and as victims….sure…victims my a**!!! 🙄🙄🙄
i cant believe how stupid and naiv ALL the cascios actually are. how can you sign the contract and then still blackmail the estate??? isnt it obvious that it wil backfire? also, why claiming that EVERY cascio sibling got molested? wouldnt it be smarter if at least one of them would not join these claims? because now they are ALL f*cked up...
Well, Marie is married to James Porte, one of those who was involved in selling the fake songs. He will most likely never work again in the music industry after the fake songs or anywhere else, because his credibility us gone. So their income is gone (unless Marie does all the work). And besides, if you have a chance of getting a piece of the $213 million pie…apparently all of them want a piece of it. I just wobder how they will explain MJ making them warch him raping their sister and ”only realizing after Leaving Neverland” that they all were abused. I mean, how can you all be ”isolated and not knowing about each other’s abuse until after LN when you started talking about it to each other”…but at then also at the same time all were in the same room being abused and watching the abuse? 🙄😂😂 Make it make sense!! 🙄🙄🙄 I would give anything to see the judge’s face when all of their bullshit comes out. 😂😂😂 Like ”Excuse me….didn’t you just say you were all isolated and didn’t know about it? Isn’t that why you are claiming it took you until 2019 (well actually 2024-2025 until your payments stopped) to ”realize” you were all abused? But now you’re also saying you were all in the same ROOM and WATCHED….?….Oh **** off!!” 🙄😂😂😂
 
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Yes of course, but he’s not a complete idiot either who can’t understand anything. And besides, as you said, his parents were there too. My intention was to deconstruct the myth that Frank Cascio was so important in Michael Jackson’s managerial circle, as he claims and as some media outlets have recently portrayed. If he had truly had that kind of background, he would have made a fortune while holding that position, and he would have had a solid résumé on the job market—in short, he would have bounced back professionally by now.

The problem is that, in addition to having no résumé, he also had no “post-Michael” career plan, like all those greedy parasites whom MJ showered with generosity—from the Evan Chandler episode to the Gavin Arvizo case, and including Wade Robson and James Safechuck.
Once we know for certain that he is lying, I personally find it pointless to dwell on the details of the arguments he presented to the judge—claiming he is dyslexic, incapable, and that he was misled during the deal with the Estate. There may be a grain of truth in what he says (just like with what Karen Faye says), such as being dyslexic, having a stutter, being somewhat slow, or having cognitive difficulties… because those aren’t things you can claim in court without some form of evidence. You could have had that kind of condition in adolescence and no longer have it as an adult thanks to treatment. But you can still bring out old documents attesting to it to serve your present agenda. In my opinion, that’s what he’s trying to do.
 
They have to be truly desperate or dumb (both?) to have made a deal with those conditions and then try and go public with it later. They got money, I guess they spent it all and want more?
 
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