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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

If they decide to show his death, I hope they'll have him say the exact words that he said to Conrad Murray on that recording he made while he was drugging him. Not the first part, that the media loves to play just because he sounds drugged up, but the second part, the one that the media never plays because it actually shows what was truly in his heart, even when he was drugged up.

Remember when Michael said this in the Shmuley tapes:

"Even when married to those women that I was married to, I’d go to bed hurting. I was hurting. I was crying last night as I went to sleep and I didn’t sleep good last night. And I cry, Shmuley, because I feel this… and I’m not trying, I’m telling you the honest truth and if you don't believe me you can ask Frank. Frank knew how I was hurting. I just was feeling all the pain of the children who suffer and I was hurting so much."

You would think he was exagerating and that it was just a way of speaking. It's hard to imagine that he actually cried himself to sleep at night thinking about the children who suffer. But then you hear the Conrad Murray recording and you realize that it was really, literally how he fell asleep at night. Can you imagine how powerful and meaningful it would be if they have this be his final words in the movie before he falls asleep for the last time:

Michael : I’m taking that money, I’m building a children… children’s hospital. The biggest in the world. Michael Jackson’s Children Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. They’re in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
Conrad Murray: I know you would.
Michael: All we have is this hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet. I’m starting with… We’ll talk about it. In the United States, Europe, Prague… My babies…. They walk around with no mother. They dropped them off, they leave – a psychological degradation of that. And they reach out to me – please take me with you. I want to do that for them. I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children, it’ll always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal The World, We Are The World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
Conrad Murray: You okay?
Michael: I am asleep.

They wouldn't actually have to show Michael dead, they could just quickly show Conrad Murray panicking as he is hiding away evidence and frantically calling Michael's bodyguard to come back because something went wrong. Then they could show the news announcing Michael's death with Jermaine saying in that press conference, "My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson passed away on Thursday June 25th 2009 at 2.26pm." And the movie would end as we see thousands of fans going to the hospital, crying. Then they could show a montage of real footage of Michael's life to comfort us as we sob like babies in the movie theater... no wait, that will actually make us cry even more, but that's okay...
 
etoile 37 said:
If they decide to show his death, I hope they'll have him say the exact words that he said to Conrad Murray on that recording he made while he was drugging him. Not the first part, that the media loves to play just because he sounds drugged up, but the second part, the one that the media never plays because it actually shows what was truly in his heart, even when he was drugged up.

Remember when Michael said this in the Shmuley tapes:

"Even when married to those women that I was married to, I’d go to bed hurting. I was hurting. I was crying last night as I went to sleep and I didn’t sleep good last night. And I cry, Shmuley, because I feel this… and I’m not trying, I’m telling you the honest truth and if you don't believe me you can ask Frank. Frank knew how I was hurting. I just was feeling all the pain of the children who suffer and I was hurting so much."

You would think he was exagerating and that it was just a way of speaking. It's hard to imagine that he actually cried himself to sleep at night thinking about the children who suffer. But then you hear the Conrad Murray recording and you realize that it was really, literally how he fell asleep at night. Can you imagine how powerful and meaningful it would be if they have this be his final words in the movie before he falls asleep for the last time:

Michael : I’m taking that money, I’m building a children… children’s hospital. The biggest in the world. Michael Jackson’s Children Hospital. Gonna have a movie theatre, game room. Children are depressed. They’re in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theatre. They’re sick because they’re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it. I’m gonna do it, Conrad.
Conrad Murray: I know you would.
Michael: All we have is this hope, no more hope. That’s the next generation that’s gonna save our planet. I’m starting with… We’ll talk about it. In the United States, Europe, Prague… My babies…. They walk around with no mother. They dropped them off, they leave – a psychological degradation of that. And they reach out to me – please take me with you. I want to do that for them. I’m gonna do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children, it’ll always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn’t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it. Heal The World, We Are The World, Will You Be There, The Lost Children. These are the songs I’ve written because I hurt, you know, I hurt.
Conrad Murray: You okay?
Michael: I am asleep.

They wouldn't actually have to show Michael dead, they could just quickly show Conrad Murray panicking as he is hiding away evidence and frantically calling Michael's bodyguard to come back because something went wrong. Then they could show the news announcing Michael's death with Jermaine saying in that press conference, "My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson passed away on Thursday June 25th 2009 at 2.26pm." And the movie would end as we see thousands of fans going to the hospital, crying. Then they could show a montage of real footage of Michael's life to comfort us as we sob like babies in the movie theater... no wait, that will actually make us cry even more, but that's okay...
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But Michael's final words was "More milk". Conrad Murray recording is fake, no? Why would he started to record him just before his death? It's too suspicious
 
But staying on topic, I agree that if they were to do his death, I think it'd be subtle instead of literally showing him drop dead, I feel like that would be a little distasteful.
 
love1sfatal said:
That recording is real, but it's not the final words, it's from weeks prior. It was later used in court iirc?
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It was not his final words in real life, but it could be Jaafar's in the movie. It would be really fitting as an ending, since Michael is talking about how he wants to be remembered and all that. And then that "I am asleep..." :cry:
 
etoile 37 said:
It was not his final words in real life, but it could be Jaafar's in the movie. It would be really fitting as an ending, since Michael is talking about how he wants to be remembered and all that. And then that "I am asleep..." :cry:
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Absolutely @etoile 37
It should finally reach thousands of hearts...
 
etoile 37 said:
If they decide to show his death, I hope they'll have him say the exact words that he said to Conrad Murray on that recording he made while he was drugging him. Not the first part, that the media loves to play just because he sounds drugged up, but the second part, the one that the media never plays because it actually shows what was truly in his heart, even when he was drugged up.
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I'm all for including those exact words... even if drugged up, it would be very real and it would have an impact.
That and the Chandler phone call should both be included in real version. No actors are needed. Real words.

As for his passing, this video still haunts me and the same dramatic moment would do the moment justice:
 
travis3000 said:
Lionsgate will make the announcement the week of the first original release date in a couple weeks. They will announce that they want to get this movie right, honor Michael how he deserves to be, and have all agreed to split it into two parts. The first of which will be coming out in April 2026, the second part in October 2026.

After this you won't be hearing anything about the biopic until October 2025 when promotion will begin.

It sucks it has to go this way , but they can't release a 4 hour movie in theatres. And no matter how much they try to shave it down, it doesn't work. With two movies, they figure it will gross more than one meaning more profits for everyone involved.

2025 will not be the year of Michael, it will be 2026.
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NOTHING happened and we have May
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
That and the Chandler phone call should both be included in real version. No actors are needed. Real words.
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They would still need to recreate it with actors, they couldn't play the actual recordings because it's not a documentary, but what they could do is show Conrad Murray pressing the record button on his phone while Michael is unaware that he's being recorded, so that people know that there's an actual recording of Michael saying those things. Same thing for the Evan Chandler tapes, they need to show Dave Schwartz recording the conversation and make it clear that there's an actual recording of Evan saying those exact words, that those are not lines written just for the movie.
 
etoile 37 said:
If they decide to show his death, I hope they'll have him say the exact words that he said to Conrad Murray on that recording he made while he was drugging him. Not the first part, that the media loves to play just because he sounds drugged up, but the second part, the one that the media never plays because it actually shows what was truly in his heart, even when he was drugged up.
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This would surely make for a compelling and tear jerking end to the movie. I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I feel MJ was exploited his entire life, and CM recording feels like a gross violation, too much of a violation to include in a biopic. I mean he was barely conscious and had no idea he was being recorded. It felt like part of a concerted effort to strip MJ of all dignity, along with his autopsy pictures being put out there, I don't know of a deceased celebrity who has been robbed of all human decency like this.

On the other hand I can see that as the recording is already available out there, it might be good to use it in context to understand him better.
 
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etoile 37 said:
They would still need to recreate it with actors, they couldn't play the actual recordings because it's not a documentary, but what they could do is show Conrad Murray pressing the record button on his phone while Michael is unaware that he's being recorded, so that people know that there's an actual recording of Michael saying those things. Same thing for the Evan Chandler tapes, they need to show Dave Schwartz recording the conversation and make it clear that there's an actual recording of Evan saying those exact words, that those are not lines written just for the movie.
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What does that have to do with anzthing? Can a movie not include real footage? Real Elvis was shown on his last performance in his biopic!
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
What does that have to do with anzthing? Can a movie not include real footage? Real Elvis was shown on his last performance in his biopic!
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There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
 
etoile 37 said:
There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
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That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
 
kelley said:
That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
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We have access to the full transcript, but we've only heard very short snippets from the actual recording, do we even know who has access to the full recording now? Evan was suing Dave for recording him without his permission, who won that lawsuit and what happened to the recorded tapes as a result of that ruling?
 
kelley said:
That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
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That is interesting!! Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie or b.have the exact same words said by a caracter in a movie?

etoile 37 said:
We have access to the full transcript, but we've only heard very short snippets from the actual recording, do we even know who has access to the full recording now? Evan was suing Dave for recording him without his permission, who won that lawsuit and what happened to the recorded tapes as a result of that ruling?
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Another good question!! Would the outcome of that lawsuit play a role in the legality of using the recording or at least have the words redone by a caracter? Do we have a legal expert on this board?
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie
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I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think it does. Take for example when Michael was sued by people who claimed he stealed their songs, they played Michael's songs in court to compare with those people's demos. Now does it make it legal for people to use Michael's music in movies because it was played in court? No. So I don't see how playing a recording in court would suddenly mean that anyone is free to use it as they want. For a documentary, yes, if used under Fair Use. But I don't see how they could claim Fair Use for an entertainment movie.
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
That is interesting!! Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie or b.have the exact same words said by a caracter in a movie?


Another good question!! Would the outcome of that lawsuit play a role in the legality of using the recording or at least have the words redone by a caracter? Do we have a legal expert on this board?
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I might be wrong, but at the time I remember this recording couldn’t be used because it was obtained by celebrity PI Anthony Pelicano who obtained it using illegal methods? Pelicano went to jail for other similar things as I recall. Anyone here from the era remember this more accurately?
 
etoile 37 said:
There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
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I mean, the estate was all over This Is It, they released the Budapest concert on Youtube and everything...
 
MKTCREATE said:
I might be wrong, but at the time I remember this recording couldn’t be used because it was obtained by celebrity PI Anthony Pelicano who obtained it using illegal methods? Pelicano went to jail for other similar things as I recall. Anyone here from the era remember this more accurately?
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I'm not sure but it does ring a bell..
 
Off tyopic but in the line of the previous posts: who happened with the site 'themichaeljacksonallegations'? I liked it but it suddenly wasn't updated anymore..? And 'TSCM' also knew a lot, is she still only active on X? So much knowledge that's everywhere and needs to be in one place imho
 
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