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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

Billie Jean 78 said:
That and the Chandler phone call should both be included in real version. No actors are needed. Real words.
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They would still need to recreate it with actors, they couldn't play the actual recordings because it's not a documentary, but what they could do is show Conrad Murray pressing the record button on his phone while Michael is unaware that he's being recorded, so that people know that there's an actual recording of Michael saying those things. Same thing for the Evan Chandler tapes, they need to show Dave Schwartz recording the conversation and make it clear that there's an actual recording of Evan saying those exact words, that those are not lines written just for the movie.
 
etoile 37 said:
If they decide to show his death, I hope they'll have him say the exact words that he said to Conrad Murray on that recording he made while he was drugging him. Not the first part, that the media loves to play just because he sounds drugged up, but the second part, the one that the media never plays because it actually shows what was truly in his heart, even when he was drugged up.
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This would surely make for a compelling and tear jerking end to the movie. I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I feel MJ was exploited his entire life, and CM recording feels like a gross violation, too much of a violation to include in a biopic. I mean he was barely conscious and had no idea he was being recorded. It felt like part of a concerted effort to strip MJ of all dignity, along with his autopsy pictures being put out there, I don't know of a deceased celebrity who has been robbed of all human decency like this.

On the other hand I can see that as the recording is already available out there, it might be good to use it in context to understand him better.
 
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etoile 37 said:
They would still need to recreate it with actors, they couldn't play the actual recordings because it's not a documentary, but what they could do is show Conrad Murray pressing the record button on his phone while Michael is unaware that he's being recorded, so that people know that there's an actual recording of Michael saying those things. Same thing for the Evan Chandler tapes, they need to show Dave Schwartz recording the conversation and make it clear that there's an actual recording of Evan saying those exact words, that those are not lines written just for the movie.
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What does that have to do with anzthing? Can a movie not include real footage? Real Elvis was shown on his last performance in his biopic!
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
What does that have to do with anzthing? Can a movie not include real footage? Real Elvis was shown on his last performance in his biopic!
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There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
 
etoile 37 said:
There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
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That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
 
kelley said:
That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
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We have access to the full transcript, but we've only heard very short snippets from the actual recording, do we even know who has access to the full recording now? Evan was suing Dave for recording him without his permission, who won that lawsuit and what happened to the recorded tapes as a result of that ruling?
 
kelley said:
That recording was included in court documents when Evan sued Dave schwartz (thats where the full transcript came from) so it's public record.
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That is interesting!! Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie or b.have the exact same words said by a caracter in a movie?

etoile 37 said:
We have access to the full transcript, but we've only heard very short snippets from the actual recording, do we even know who has access to the full recording now? Evan was suing Dave for recording him without his permission, who won that lawsuit and what happened to the recorded tapes as a result of that ruling?
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Another good question!! Would the outcome of that lawsuit play a role in the legality of using the recording or at least have the words redone by a caracter? Do we have a legal expert on this board?
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie
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I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think it does. Take for example when Michael was sued by people who claimed he stealed their songs, they played Michael's songs in court to compare with those people's demos. Now does it make it legal for people to use Michael's music in movies because it was played in court? No. So I don't see how playing a recording in court would suddenly mean that anyone is free to use it as they want. For a documentary, yes, if used under Fair Use. But I don't see how they could claim Fair Use for an entertainment movie.
 
Billie Jean 78 said:
That is interesting!! Does being a public record make it legal to a.use the real voice message in a movie or b.have the exact same words said by a caracter in a movie?


Another good question!! Would the outcome of that lawsuit play a role in the legality of using the recording or at least have the words redone by a caracter? Do we have a legal expert on this board?
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I might be wrong, but at the time I remember this recording couldn’t be used because it was obtained by celebrity PI Anthony Pelicano who obtained it using illegal methods? Pelicano went to jail for other similar things as I recall. Anyone here from the era remember this more accurately?
 
etoile 37 said:
There might be some copyright issues, since the Estate doesn't own those recordings, unlike the Elvis footage. Documentaries can more easily get around copyright thanks to the fair use law.
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I mean, the estate was all over This Is It, they released the Budapest concert on Youtube and everything...
 
MKTCREATE said:
I might be wrong, but at the time I remember this recording couldn’t be used because it was obtained by celebrity PI Anthony Pelicano who obtained it using illegal methods? Pelicano went to jail for other similar things as I recall. Anyone here from the era remember this more accurately?
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I'm not sure but it does ring a bell..
 
Off tyopic but in the line of the previous posts: who happened with the site 'themichaeljacksonallegations'? I liked it but it suddenly wasn't updated anymore..? And 'TSCM' also knew a lot, is she still only active on X? So much knowledge that's everywhere and needs to be in one place imho
 
Fuzball said:
We might get some precise info around late June?
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Fuz, is there any particular reason you were thinking something might happen in late June? Obviously, there's the two significant dates in June but was there something else you had in mind? :unsure:
 
zinniabooklover said:
Fuz, is there any particular reason you were thinking something might happen in late June? Obviously, there's the two significant dates in June but was there something else you had in mind? :unsure:
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Assuming an October release is still set, I'd just concluded the (media) buzz around Michael's passing date would be perfect time to drop a teaser. Followed by an actual trailer in late August.
 






Jenny Winings

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1 year ago I had the absolute honor of going on set of the Michael Jackson biopic. This was definitely another “what is my life” moment. Also, one of the most incredible days of my life. When the world sees Jaafar as his uncle, they won’t believe their eyes or ears. Stay patient everyone. It will be worth the wait.


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