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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

Blues_Away2023 said:
Fans clinging on to the hope that Jordy will eventually come out and proclaim MJ’s innocence and that everything was a lie is just not gonna happen.

He’s had decades to come clean yet has stayed silent. He’s watched MJ go through hell from a distance not giving one **** and enjoying his money like others have said.

For all we know, he might still believe he is guilty and at the end of the day, he’s the one who was there. He’s spent years staying incognito and this won’t change.

Time to drop it .
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Have you heard of a little documentary called 'Square One' ?
 
.... Oh look ...what is m doing? ..inspecting it closely ? haha ....:ROFLMAO:
 
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etoile 37 said:
The fact of the matter is that he can't speak, because of the settlement agreement. The question is, would he if he could? The biopic might be a safe opportunity for him to let the truth be known if he wants it to be known. The only way to know is if the Estate reaches out to him and asks him.
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I think if he wanted to say it publicly he would've said it a long time ago. If he rips off the agreement he would probably lose his money. And that includes condoning the biopic. Meanwhile he lives off MJ's money, happy and free, all the while he keeps saying to people around him he is still a huge MJ fan and that nothing happened
 
kai said:
I already see the estate releasing this is it 15th anniversary box for 1K after the biopic
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Hopefully not. That's a truly unfitting and unethical way to do. Anniversaries are for celebrating and marking success.
 
apple🍎 said:
I think if he wanted to say it publicly he would've said it a long time ago. If he rips off the agreement he would probably lose his money. And that includes condoning the biopic. Meanwhile he lives off MJ's money, happy and free, all the while he keeps saying to people around him he is still a huge MJ fan and that nothing happened
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I have a question, maybe someone knows. So, the chandlers got money through the settlement, meaning Jordan indeed lives off Michaels money.

What if, Jordan would want to go public (or a simple statement or give the estate permission to use his name and story in the biopic), why would he lose his money? Could he make an agreement with the estate? Or is it because an insurance company paid it off (if I remember correctly)?

Jordan has been living in the shadows for years and also probably went through a rough time. Speaking up could mean losing his money ánd getting a lot of media attention again. I understand he'd want to avoid this at all cost.

On the other hand, with the biopic coming up, a lot of new people looking into Michaels cases, so the case ánd Jordan will be getting a lot of unwanted new attention. I'm curious what he thinks about the biopic coming up and there being a lot of people interested in Michaels life.
 
Back on topic. Has anyone here seen (and heard) the trailer in theaters yet? It's gonna be something else to experience it in such high quality
 
etoile 37 said:
I've been thinking, if right now the plan is to completely skip the 1993 allegations and only cover the 2005 trial, wouldn't it be worth trying to contact Jordan and June Chandler and see if they might actually agree to have their story told in the biopic? What if the Estate could get them to sign an agreement authorizing their portrayal in the movie in exchange for a reasonable payment for the rights to their story? It would hit pretty hard if they could end the movie with a text saying, "This movie was authorized by Jordan Chandler and June Chandler."

Considering that Carol LaMere said she witnessed Jordan calling Michael crying about what his father was doing, and there was also a girl who said that adult Jordan Chandler told her he liked her Michael Jackson shirt, and Jordan Chandler has fought every attempt to make him testify against Michael... it's not impossible that Jordan might agree to let the real story be told if there was a way for him to do it without getting sued and losing his money. Also, when you read June's 2005 testimony, she never said anything that was that bad, she didn't seem to be out to get Michael. It would be understandable if she went along with it because she was afraid to lose her son. Evan Chandler was the main mastermind of the allegations, so it's not like it would show Jordan or June in a bad light. The Evan tapes even make June and Jordan appear like Evan's victims just as much as Michael:

Evan Chandler: "I don't ever want anything to do with June anymore because June is not part of my family. In my mind, she's died. I don't ever want to talk to her again. [tape irregularity] sitting on the stand being totally humiliated or at the end of a shotgun. That's the only way I want to see June now."

Evan Chandler: "My instructions were to kill and destroy [tape irregularity], I'm telling you. I mean, and by killing and destroying, I'm going to torture them, Dave. Because that's what June has done to me. She has tortured me –"

Evan Chandler: "I will get everything I want, and they will be totally -- they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again. Michael's career will be over."
Dave Schwartz: "And does that help Jordy?"
Evan Chandler: "It's irrelevant to me."

Dave Schwartz: "Do you think Jordy hates you?"
Evan Chandler: "If he doesn't, he's gonna hate me tomorrow."
Dave Schwartz: "Yeah. And why do you think he hates you now?"
Evan Chandler: "I said I think he'll -- I said he may or may not hate me now -- but he'll definitely hate me tomorrow. He'll hate me, why? Because I'm taking Michael away from him. That's why."
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Those quotes are very telling especially when according to Evans own timeline Jordan had not "confessed" to anything to him yet at this point.

It's 100% proof that the allegations came from Evan and what Jordan accused Michael of doing was already in Evans imagination. He just coached Jordan to repeat it. He is the author of the allegations (him and Gutierrez)

Jordan did not go to Evan or any adult and disclose anything bad about Michael like Guilters claim. But they will never tell the truth, because they want deceive people to believe the allegations came from the kids.

And that is reason is reason #1000000000 why the allegations against Michael completely different than any REAL case of abuse. In every case the adults told the accusers they were abused and kids denied it. The Adults then continued to pressure them to claim abuse until they relented. Happened with Jordan, Jason and Gavin. It also happened to dozens of other kids. Including Wade. The police told all these kids they were abused and lied to them and claimed they had nude pictures of them and other BS. Only difference between the other kids and Jordan and Jason is that those kids parents were not behind them also telling them to lie. So they all were able to stand their ground and keep telling the truth.
 
etoile 37 said:
We'll never know if the Estate never tries to talk to them. If they intend to hurt Michael some more, it's gonna happen whether or not the Estate tries to reach out to them, so really they would have nothing to lose. If there's a chance, however small it is, that they might want to clear Michael's name, then it's worth trying.
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Oh if they try to hurt Michael's legacy again they will be forced to do it out in the open this time. No more hiding in the shadows. The whole world will know what they look and sound like. No more anonymity.
 
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Blues_Away2023 said:
Fans clinging on to the hope that Jordy will eventually come out and proclaim MJ’s innocence and that everything was a lie is just not gonna happen.

He’s had decades to come clean yet has stayed silent. He’s watched MJ go through hell from a distance not giving one **** and enjoying his money like others have said.

For all we know, he might still believe he is guilty and at the end of the day, he’s the one who was there. He’s spent years staying incognito and this won’t change.

Time to drop it .
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I can't take anyone seriously who calls this 45 year old man Jordy. It's cringey AF.

You do know he's almost 50 right? Nobody calls him Jordy anymore.

He's not some ghost you know. I know what he looks like now, who he associates with and what he's been up to for the past 16 years. He's not as incognito as he thinks.

The only reason he hasn't been blasted publicly and exposed is because those of us who know are being very merciful to him for Michael's sake alone.

I personally still want to give him a chance to do the right thing and somewhat redeem himself.

But time is ticking down. And I know some people who are at their wits end and they might go rogue soon, and if that happens..... well shit will hit the fan for him.

Things might be pretty interesting in the next few months LOL.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I have a question, maybe someone knows. So, the chandlers got money through the settlement, meaning Jordan indeed lives off Michaels money.

What if, Jordan would want to go public (or a simple statement or give the estate permission to use his name and story in the biopic), why would he lose his money? Could he make an agreement with the estate? Or is it because an insurance company paid it off (if I remember correctly)?

Jordan has been living in the shadows for years and also probably went through a rough time. Speaking up could mean losing his money ánd getting a lot of media attention again. I understand he'd want to avoid this at all cost.

On the other hand, with the biopic coming up, a lot of new people looking into Michaels cases, so the case ánd Jordan will be getting a lot of unwanted new attention. I'm curious what he thinks about the biopic coming up and there being a lot of people interested in Michaels life.
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The people I know who are getting pissed, will be ready and waiting to satisfy people's curiosity with PLENTY of info about him during the biopic hysteria.

If Jordan was smart he would help the estate destroy Wade James and the Cascios by telling the truth which is that his father and Gutierrez made up those allegations, that would automatically expose the copy cat accusers as the liars they are and he would come out of all this looking like the redeemed hero and Wade James and Cascios would then absorb a lot of the resentment the public may have for him.

Especially since Jordan is Black(ish) and Evan and the new copycats are white men. The racial tension of the current time will certainly play in his favor.

He can make himself look like the poor brown child who was coerced by evil white men to lie on an innocent Black man and then other greedy white men jumped on bandwagon to copy him and try and steal the innocent black man's wealth.


Jordan is a fool is he doesn't take advantage of the opportunity he has now to dig himself out of the pit he put himself in.
 
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Does anybody have any stats on how much Bruce Springsteen album sales increased because of his biopic?
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Jordan accused him so he must believe he’s guilty , right?
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Hum, no... When you accuse an innocent person with lies, you know you're lying and that the person is innocent.

He accused him when he was a child, so we don't know if he did it willingly or under Evan's threats. The fact that he called Michael on the phone crying about the whole thing tells me that he was not happy about doing this. We know that Evan was capable of being violent with his son, based on the court documents when Jordan tried to get a restraining order against him in 2005:

"[...] defendant struck him on the head from behind with a twelve and one-half pound weight and then sprayed his eyes with mace or pepper spray and tried to choke him. The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death. Thus, the judge was satisfied that plaintiff had provided evidence, which if believed, would support a finding of aggravated assault."

Because of the settlement agreement, Jordan is not allowed to speak out and tell his story, just like the Estate is not allowed to tell Michael's story in the biopic. Therefore, even if Jordan wanted to come out with the truth, he would probably have concerns about the legal repercussions for him or about the effect on his privacy. But the fact that we have people saying that as an adult Jordan has spoken positively about Michael to the people around him tells me that he does want people to know, or else he wouldn't have said anything to them. The fear of repercussions might be what is stopping him. But just authorizing the biopic to include his story would allow him to put the truth out there without actually having to make a statement or coming out of the shadows. He could keep enjoying his life with his millions just as he always has. This would be a once-in-a-lifetime easy and safe opportunity for him to clear Michael's name if he would like to. The question is just, would he like to if given the opportunity?
 
Bogdan said:
MODs!!! I'd like the thread back please!
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Are we not allowed to discuss the inclusion of the 1993 allegations in the biopic and the whole "we can't include them because of the settlement agreement" problem?

To answer your previous question...
Bogdan said:
Back on topic. Has anyone here seen (and heard) the trailer in theaters yet? It's gonna be something else to experience it in such high quality
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I have not been to theaters yet, but people on Reddit said that they saw it before the "Now You See Me: Now You Don't" movie if they were in the US, but it was not shown for those outside the US.
 
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etoile 37 said:
Hum, no... When you accuse an innocent person with lies, you know you're lying and that the person is innocent.

He accused him when he was a child, so we don't know if he did it willingly or under Evan's threats. The fact that he called Michael on the phone crying about the whole thing tells me that he was not happy about doing this. We know that Evan was capable of being violent with his son, based on the court documents when Jordan tried to get a restraining order against him in 2005:

"[...] defendant struck him on the head from behind with a twelve and one-half pound weight and then sprayed his eyes with mace or pepper spray and tried to choke him. The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death. Thus, the judge was satisfied that plaintiff had provided evidence, which if believed, would support a finding of aggravated assault."

Because of the settlement agreement, Jordan is not allowed to speak out and tell his story, just like the Estate is not allowed to tell Michael's story in the biopic. Therefore, even if Jordan wanted to come out with the truth, he would probably have concerns about the legal repercussions for him or about the effect on his privacy. But the fact that we have people saying that as an adult Jordan has spoken positively about Michael to the people around him tells me that he does want people to know, or else he wouldn't have said anything to them. The fear of repercussions might be what is stopping him. But just authorizing the biopic to include his story would allow him to put the truth out there without actually having to make a statement or coming out of the shadows. He could keep enjoying his life with his millions just as he always has. This would be a once-in-a-lifetime easy and safe opportunity for him to clear Michael's name if he would like to. The question is just, would he like to if given the opportunity?
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Although this would be good in theory, I'm confused about how this would work in practice. If the 93 allegations cannot/has not been addressed in the April biopic, then what exactly would JC be authorising? Also, the settlement would not have prevented JC from giving evidence in the trial. As far as I know, there were no photos of GA and his family from the actual trial, (or even of JCs mum?). JC could have had his identity similarly protected if he was ever interested in clearing MJs name without legal repercussions.

I think JC has been in a position to renegotiate the terms of his settlement with MJ/estate for a long time now if that's what he wanted to do, especially considering he was a child when the settlement concerning his future was made. Clearly, it's not something he is interested in. I personally find his behaviour odd. Going around happily parading as an MJ fan after accusing MJ and watching MJs life nose dive after his accusations is an inappropriate response to ruining someone's life. And the most telling part of the restraining order is that JC went back to live with the father who caused this whole mess. I would like JC to come forwards and end the devastation he caused, but he seems content benefitting from it instead. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
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jasmine.uddin said:
If the 93 allegations cannot/has not been addressed in the April biopic, then what exactly would JC be authorising?
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jasmine.uddin said:
As far as I know, there were no photos of GA and his family from the actual trial, (or even of JCs mum?)
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I think only the kids were protected, because I recall pictures of June Chandler and Janet Arvizo (where she hid her face with a hood).

jasmine.uddin said:
I personally find his behaviour odd. Going around happily parading as an MJ fan after accusing MJ and watching MJs life nose dive after his accusations is an inappropriate response to ruining someone's life.
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Yeah, sounds to me like someone who's sorry that he ruined your life, but not enough to be willing to risk ruining his own life to fix the mess he made. If he's not willing to speak out, it would already be something if he could just give permission to the Estate to cover the allegations in the biopic.
 
@etoile 37

MJ is dead …why would he care? You obviously think too much of Chandler to believe that he will eventually come clean.

He will carry that to the grave whilst enjoying his money.
 
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etoile 37 said:
Hum, no... When you accuse an innocent person with lies, you know you're lying and that the person is innocent.

He accused him when he was a child, so we don't know if he did it willingly or under Evan's threats. The fact that he called Michael on the phone crying about the whole thing tells me that he was not happy about doing this. We know that Evan was capable of being violent with his son, based on the court documents when Jordan tried to get a restraining order against him in 2005:

"[...] defendant struck him on the head from behind with a twelve and one-half pound weight and then sprayed his eyes with mace or pepper spray and tried to choke him. The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death. Thus, the judge was satisfied that plaintiff had provided evidence, which if believed, would support a finding of aggravated assault."

Because of the settlement agreement, Jordan is not allowed to speak out and tell his story, just like the Estate is not allowed to tell Michael's story in the biopic. Therefore, even if Jordan wanted to come out with the truth, he would probably have concerns about the legal repercussions for him or about the effect on his privacy. But the fact that we have people saying that as an adult Jordan has spoken positively about Michael to the people around him tells me that he does want people to know, or else he wouldn't have said anything to them. The fear of repercussions might be what is stopping him. But just authorizing the biopic to include his story would allow him to put the truth out there without actually having to make a statement or coming out of the shadows. He could keep enjoying his life with his millions just as he always has. This would be a once-in-a-lifetime easy and safe opportunity for him to clear Michael's name if he would like to. The question is just, would he like to if given the opportunity?
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again based on hearsay that Jordan has come clean and wants to speak out - it’s delusional to think that he ever will but you go on right ahead hun
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Fans clinging on to the hope that Jordy will eventually come out and proclaim MJ’s innocence and that everything was a lie is just not gonna happen.

He’s had decades to come clean yet has stayed silent. He’s watched MJ go through hell from a distance not giving one **** and enjoying his money like others have said.

For all we know, he might still believe he is guilty and at the end of the day, he’s the one who was there. He’s spent years staying incognito and this won’t change.

Time to drop it .
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It would have been positive for Mj if Jordy had spoken publicly a long time ago to relieve mj so many people continue to believe that Mj would have bought himself silent unfortunately
 
mjfanboy27 said:
It would have been positive for Mj if Jordy had spoken publicly a long time ago to relieve mj so many people continue to believe that Mj would have bought himself silent unfortunately
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Absolutely!! There’s no chance in hell that he will come out the woodwork now - the damage was done years ago . MJ is dead and Chandler is enjoying his millions.
 
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