Michael is number 1 on the "Best Singers of All Time" list.

[GGVVGGCC22331122]

You expressed the view that you prefer Prince's vocals, to which you got a few opinions that disagreed with you and now you act like you are a victim and being "attacked". You do that very often - and maybe on Prince.org as well - have you thought about whether that is the reason why you get the type of reactions you do on both forums?

Expressing views that we are not as impressed with Prince's vocals as you are is not an "attack" on you and not any more an "attack" on Prince than you saying things like MJ couldn't touch Prince vocally.



I have all the songs you listed and heard them numerous times. I am just less impressed by those vocals than you are - at least in comparation to MJ's vocals. But I do like Prince and I expressed that several times on this forum so your assumption of "anti Prince bias" is laughable. I may have a pro-MJ bias but "anti Prince"? C'mon. This simply means that overall I am more impressed by MJ as an artist thus I prefer him to Prince. That doesn't mean I hate Prince. Those aren't the only two extremes. To consider MJ a better vocalist and artist is not an "attack" - especially when you (and GGVVGGCC22331122) instigated this boring MJ vs. Prince thing again by saying MJ "pales in comparation to Prince". When you say such things on an MJ forum don't you think that people might genuinely disagree with that? And that is not an "attack" on either you or Prince. Don't be childish. It seems to me that when people disagree with you you love to play victim and act like you are being "attacked" for your opinion. When people simply express a different opinion. That's all. That's not any more an "attack" than your initial opinion is.



I didn't say he only sang about sex, I said this:



That doesn't mean "only" - that means often. MJ simply had different themes and pet topics.

Respect, I never, in any of my comments, ever said that I favored either one of these two great artists over the other; I have no such preference, nor any so-called “bias” in favor of one and against the other. All along, my personal opinion has been - and, it still is - that both Michael AND Prince were equal, and are to be, or they should have been, considered as such. They were on equal footing, so, one was no “greater,” or “lesser,” than the other. They each had their own unique ways and styles of singing, no matter what they were, in whichever genre or about whatever subject matter and/or topics to write and sing their lyrics. I may have helped to start a discussion (and, do own up to my part in it, by even asking what I thought was a good question, to get an honest answer), but, there is absolutely NO “favoritism,” nor any “bias” or preference for one over the other, on my part. They each were 180-degrees different from one another, yet they were equal, as far as their level of skills, talents and musical abilities.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

I'm so tired of seeing people arguing about Prince on this site. I've honestly never understood this rivalry crap. I like many artists, I don't compare them as I like them for different reasons, or just like them because (shock), I like their music.

 

[HIStory]

Respect, I never, in any of my comments, ever said that I favored either one of these two great artists over the other; I have no such preference, nor any so-called “bias” in favor of one and against the other. All along, my personal opinion has been - and, it still is - that both Michael AND Prince were equal, and are to be, or they should have been, considered as such. They were on equal footing, so, one was no “greater,” or “lesser,” than the other. They each had their own unique ways and styles of singing, no matter what they were, in whichever genre or about whatever subject matter and/or topics to write and sing their lyrics. I may have helped to start a discussion (and, do own up to my part in it, by even asking what I thought was a good question, to get an honest answer), but, there is absolutely NO “favoritism,” nor any “bias” or preference for one over the other, on my part. They each were 180-degrees different from one another, yet they were equal, as far as their level of skills, talents and musical abilities.

I said this about you:

"To consider MJ a better vocalist and artist is not an "attack" - especially when you (and GGVVGGCC22331122) instigated this boring MJ vs. Prince thing again by saying MJ "pales in comparation to Prince".

My point was that I find it strange that when someone says "MJ pales in comparation to Prince" it is seen as an "opinion that one can express in the name of free speech" (and I agree they can) but then when someone says "I don't think so, I think MJ is better than Prince" then it is suddenly portrayed as an "attack" on Prince and being "anti-Prince".

No one attacked anyone in this topic, we are discussing opinions and someone who goes into the kitchen should be ready to stand the heat ie. if someone says that "MJ pales in comparation to Prince" then he should be ready to accept different opinions without claiming he (or Prince) is under "attack" just because people disagree. That's my main issue. You were only mentioned as being the other (or the first) instigator of the MJ vs. Prince topic, not as the person who said these things. But I actually agree with SmoothGangsta's previous post about this topic.

 

[barbee0715]

All I can say is that if someone doesn't realize "Rock with You" is sung with 'come to bed' vocals, they're not listening.

It's NOT about coaxing somebody to the dance floor.

 

[mjprince1976]

All I can say is that if someone doesn't realize "Rock with You" is sung with 'come to bed' vocals, they're not listening.

It's NOT about coaxing somebody to the dance floor.

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it. I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

 

[Michaels Lover]

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it. I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

:doh:
are you sure you're even an MJ fan?

 

[LindavG]

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it. I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

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I'll just leave this here.

 

[Tony R]

:doh:
are you sure you're even an MJ fan?

Why does questioning someone's sexuality make you less of a fan?

Unless you're insinuating being gay or asexual makes you a bad person?

 

[Michaels Lover]

Why does questioning someone's sexuality make you less of a fan?

Unless you're insinuating being gay or asexual makes you a bad person?

because Michael himself has said that he wasn't gay and that he liked girls. he's been married for crying out loud! and they even said they had sex. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or asexual, and I never said there was. but I find something wrong with ignoring his words and facts just because someone would rather believe what they want instead. I don't care what it's about

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Are you for freaking real mjprince! :wtf:

Michael oozed sex-appeal and sensuality without the need of being overly vulgar. He knew what he was doing to us women or gay men who have a crush on him with Come Together, ITC, the gold pants, etc. Your comparison to Michael with Prince or viceversa is annoying and tiring to this point, let them go and enjoy their craft for what they accomplished on their own.

 

[analogue]

because Michael himself has said that he wasn't gay and that he liked girls. he's been married for crying out loud! and they even said they had sex. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or asexual, and I never said there was. but I find something wrong with ignoring his words and facts just because someone would rather believe what they want instead. I don't care what it's about

Agreed. If Michael was gay or asexual, I wouldn't care. But people need to stop calling the man something he never claimed to be.

 

[Nite Line]

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it. I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

Most ridiculous thing I've read on MJJC.

 

[LindavG]

Most ridiculous thing I've read on MJJC.

That was my original response but I figured the video said enough :lol: It doesn't even make sense now that I think about it. Michael was asexual borderlining on gay? What do those two have to do with each other? I know some very sexually active gays, lol. As far as Michael being incapable of proper sex, Lisa Marie didn't have any complaints :naughty: I think MJPrince is not familiar with Michael's sizable porn stash, lol. The man kept his Playboys with him for a decade! I don't know how anyone can believe he had no sexual interest in women. Wishful thinking perhaps.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it. I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

SMH I log back in to see this shit.

Someone who claims to be an MJ fan questioning MJ's sexuality.
The man said that he was straight, and here you are talking about you think he was borderline gay and incapable of proper sex.
If he would have told us he was gay, then fine, he would have been gay and that would have been that, but he told us he was straight.

And FYI, being seen with a lot of women does not negate being gay the way SO many Prince fans/Stans seem to believe, and just because MJ had things on his mind other then women and sex he's no less straight then any other straight man.
With "fans" like these who needs haters?
I should have never gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I am disgusted.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Just because male celebrities don't make their love life public and they're not womanizers chasing many of them around it doesn't mean they're gay or asexual. I chose to believe Michael and to this day there's no factual evidence that corroborates such ridiculous claims.

 

[BadTour87]

just because someone questions an artist's sexuality doesnt mean they are not a fan of them lol

while i do think mjprince should've used common sense and incredibly common knowledge, dismissing them as a non-fan for something as tiny as saying "ooo he might be asexual xDD" is pretty stupid...

 

[KOPV]

questioning someone's sexuality is not where someone would ask "are you a fan" it's the common attempts Michael has gone out of his way to say he's straight, prove he's straight, and even turn down roles that were ambiguous or gay because of the questions...


And I could see how SOME would have a hard time thinking of Michael in a sexual light since he shied away from talking about it in public but musically and performance wise he was VERY sexual... I think some people forget how controversial Michaels dancing once was..

Just a little reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0UlQltMuL0

 

[DuranDuran]

?

This thread made a left turn somewhere, because I don't know what any of that has to do with the list the topic was originally about

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Hold up.
I just realized.
How in the world can someone be asexual and borderline gay anyway.
Isn't being asexual the state of not being attracted to anything?
And what is "proper sex"?
I didn't know there was a certain way to do it, LOL.

They're saying shit that doesn't even make sense.

 

[KOPV]

^ depends who you ask.. if you ask lets say someone that understands things, they would say you are right..

If you ask somone like... Trump He'd say... "A sexual is a singular sexual.. not two, not three just one.. A sexual, it also means someone that turns you down after you grab there... Well you know what I was going to say! they are A-hole sexual"

 

[Michaels Lover]

just because someone questions an artist's sexuality doesnt mean they are not a fan of them lol

while i do think mjprince should've used common sense and incredibly common knowledge, dismissing them as a non-fan for something as tiny as saying "ooo he might be asexual xDD" is pretty stupid...

that is not why I asked if he's a fan. go back and read what I explained to Tony R. not reading everything, now that's pretty stupid

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

If you ask somone like... Trump He'd say... "A sexual is a singular sexual.. not two, not three just one.. A sexual, it also means someone that turns you down after you grab there... Well you know what I was going to say! they are A-hole sexual"

:rofl:

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Anyone notice that in general other fan bases like to start shit with MJfans a lot?
Another fanbase will say some ish about MJ and/or belittle him to uplift their own fave, and then once MJfans don't just sit back and take it the other fanbase acts like victims or like the MJfans started it.
Other fanbases just need to keep MJ's name out of their mouths TBH.

There are certain fanbases that are MUCH more hatful to MJ then others though, and I'm sure that's it's out of jealousy and/or insecurity because MJ is the best/better then there own fave.

 

[NeoIsis]

That was my original response but I figured the video said enough :lol: It doesn't even make sense now that I think about it. Michael was asexual borderlining on gay? What do those two have to do with each other? I know some very sexually active gays, lol. As far as Michael being incapable of proper sex, Lisa Marie didn't have any complaints :naughty: I think MJPrince is not familiar with Michael's sizable porn stash, lol. The man kept his Playboys with him for a decade! I don't know how anyone can believe he had no sexual interest in women. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Not to mention dude saved 2 articles on the G-spot (and second g-spot!). Wildly unlikely reading material for an asexual-bordering-on-gay,no-sexual-interest-in-women sort of guy. But not so surprising for A guy who was definitely attracted to women and was a perfectionist in all areas. ;D

 

[HIStory]

Yeah but I don't see Michael Jackson as the sexy come to be dtype. It is very easy to write a sexually explicit song and/or sing a sexually explicit song written by someone else and not mean it.

In The Closet, for example, was written by him, not someone else.

I still believe MJ was incapable of proper sex and was asexual borderlining on gay rather than someone like Prince who was very sexually active having 3 or 4 girls on the go at once.

Now we almost literally arrived at d*ck measuring contest territory between MJ and Prince. I am sorry but this is getting really pathetic and ridiculous. Especially as a "comeback" to the things written to you in this thread before.

Your comparison to Michael with Prince or viceversa is annoying and tiring to this point, let them go and enjoy their craft for what they accomplished on their own.

This!

 

[HIStoric]

Anyone notice that in general other fan bases like to start shit with MJfans a lot?
Another fanbase will say some ish about MJ and/or belittle him to uplift their own fave, and then once MJfans don't just sit back and take it the other fanbase acts like victims or like the MJfans started it.
Other fanbases just need to keep MJ's name out of their mouths TBH.

There are certain fanbases that are MUCH more hatful to MJ then others though, and I'm sure that's it's out of jealousy and/or insecurity because MJ is the best/better then there own fave.

Honestly while I don't delve in other fandoms as much now, I never see MJ brought up toooo much unless he's actually relevant... such as Queen fans talking about Freddie/MJ duets. Prince fans might be different, since those two are always compared.

More modern fanbases (i.e. Beyonce/Rihanna/Justin Bieber) bring up Michael occasionally, but I generally find it in a neutral-positive light. Helps that all three of those artists have spoken about Michael in a favourable light and have heavily mentioned his influence on them, so their fanbase in turn looks upon them positively. I imagine the same works for fans who look up to an artist who has spoken against Michael (i.e. that twat from KISS). I've noticed many people like to side with what their favourite artist thinks.

People are always going to think their favourite is better and I'm sure that, for the most part, it's not out of jealousy or insecurity. They just genuinely believe the talents and musical output of their favourite is better than Michael's. So long as they respect Michael's legacy, even if I disagree with their opinion over who's better, I'm cool.

 

[GGVVGGCC22331122]

I thought this discussion was supposed to be about people who had the best singing-voice (including Michael AND Prince), not about either one of their private, personal lives —— nor of their sexuality —— let alone involving some type of “contest” in that department. This has really gotten way out of hand, here. A lot of the comments have NOTHING whatsoever to do with either Michael’s or Prince’s talents as vocalists, nor with anyone else’s vocal skills (or, the lack thereof), for that matter. I don’t care to even discuss anyone’s personal, private life; A much more interesting subject matter would pertain to someone’s vocal ability, which is the subject matter of both the poll and the main focus of this discussion.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

Honestly while I don't delve in other fandoms as much now, I never see MJ brought up toooo much unless he's actually relevant... such as Queen fans talking about Freddie/MJ duets. Prince fans might be different, since those two are always compared.

More modern fanbases (i.e. Beyonce/Rihanna/Justin Bieber) bring up Michael occasionally, but I generally find it in a neutral-positive light. Helps that all three of those artists have spoken about Michael in a favourable light and have heavily mentioned his influence on them, so their fanbase in turn looks upon them positively. I imagine the same works for fans who look up to an artist who has spoken against Michael (i.e. that twat from KISS). I've noticed many people like to side with what their favourite artist thinks.

People are always going to think their favourite is better and I'm sure that, for the most part, it's not out of jealousy or insecurity. They just genuinely believe the talents and musical output of their favourite is better than Michael's. So long as they respect Michael's legacy, even if I disagree with their opinion over who's better, I'm cool.

I'm sorry, but the bolded just isn't true (mainly for modern fanbases), and the underlined is only half true when it comes to MJ. :no:
Rihanna and Bieber fans aren't too bad as of late, but it's ironic (and somewhat negates the theory that many people like siding with their fave artist) that you included Beyonce because the overwhelming majority of her fans hate MJ with a burning passion, and you can't tell me that a lot/most of them aren't jealous.
Across the board on every website/forum I've been on where music is talked about just about all of the Beyonce fans/stans hate MJ and go out of their way to talk shit about him.
I'm pretty sure that Beyonce fans/stans spend more time (or at least just as much) hating MJ then they do discussing Beyonce, which is ironic and sad considering that Beyonce herself is a huge MJ fan and says that he's her greatest inspiration.
I'm also sure that only a very very veeeery small percentage of Beyonce's fanbase doesn't have some kind of hate or resentment of MJ.

And I'm a okay with other artist thinking their fave is better then MJ (thats their opinion, doesn't make it true), but there's thinking someone is better then MJ then there's tearing down MJ to make another artist look better, which is what other fanbases (especially Beyonce fans/stans, and a few other fanbases) do most often.

 

[GGVVGGCC22331122]

People are always going to think their favorite is “better” and I’m sure that, for the most part, it’s not out of jealousy or insecurity. They just genuinely believe the talents and musical output of their favorite is better than Michael’s. So long as they respect Michael’s legacy, even if I disagree with their opinion over who’s better, I’m cool.

^^^THIS answer ALL the way, @HIStoric!!! In the end, we all have our personal preferences, as to whom we may feel is/was the “best” singer (or, “vocalist,” if you will). As I said at the beginning, I’m not really sure if the Web site or the poll itself is credible, anyway. But, the point is, that Michael’s name was listed as the winner, at the top —— no matter who else’s name we think should have been up there with his and given equal credit (in my honest opinion), or whomever else any of us might think should have won. It doesn’t matter —— as it is what it is. If some cannot accept that, then —— Oh, well. . . .

 

[HIStoric]

I'm pretty sure that Beyonce fans/stans spend more time (or at least just as much) hating MJ then they do discussing Beyonce, which is ironic and sad considering that Beyonce herself is a huge MJ fan and says that he's her greatest inspiration.
I'm also sure that only a very very veeeery small percentage of Beyonce's fanbase doesn't have some kind of hate or resentment of MJ.

You're making some really bold claims there, Princess. You shouldn't judge a whole group of people on the actions of a few. Similarly, you shouldn't judge the fanbase of one of the biggest artists alive off a few fans. She has hundreds and hundreds of millions of fans around the world and if you're going to make that claim, you might as well declare most of Michael's fanbase delusional based on the small selection who actually are.

While I have no doubts a good few dislike/hate Michael, I think you're over-exaggerating and, I mean this with all respect, I really do struggle to take what you say seriously.

the overwhelming majority of her fans hate MJ with a burning passion, and you can't tell me that a lot/most of them aren't jealous.

I'm pretty sure that Beyonce fans/stans spend more time (or at least just as much) hating MJ then they do discussing Beyonce

I'm also sure that only a very very veeeery small percentage of Beyonce's fanbase doesn't have some kind of hate or resentment of MJ.

which is what other fanbases (especially Beyonce fans/stans, and a few other fanbases) do most often.

See? I mean it's one thing to claim a certain fansite might be relatively hostile towards MJ (as that's a small group of people and hey, it is possible), but to claim that the vast majority of Beyonce's fanbase - aka millions and millions and millions of people - spend more time hating on Michael Jackson rather than going on about the woman herself. I mean come on. :smilerolleyes: