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homicide means death at the hands of another. it doesnt mean just murder as alot think. it covers manslaughter an accident/negligence etc.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
homicide means death at the hands of another. it doesnt mean just murder as alot think. it covers manslaughter an accident/negligence etc.
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Ahh i c...

But isn't death by another considered murder? I dont think this was an "Accident" and he did neglect Michael by being on the phone with one of his 3 girlfriends so that would indeed be GROSS negligence.
 
But isn't death by another considered murder?
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no. murder has intent in the general sense of the word. i knock u over in m car by accident its not murder is it i didnt mean to run u over and kill u. murder is generally when u plan to kill someone and do it. with intent to kill them.there are exceptions with the law but thats the general meaning of it

and he did neglect Michael by being on the phone with one of his 3 girlfriends so that would indeed be GROSS negligence
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which for the most part comes under I manslaughter. in cali it can come under murder 2 if you showed gross disregard for human life.this is what ppl are hoping he gets charged with. there seems to be a fine line between I Manslaughter and murder 2 as i mentioned above
 
GinnyJackson said:
Ahh i c...

But isn't death by another considered murder? I dont think this was an "Accident" and he did neglect Michael by being on the phone with one of his 3 girlfriends so that would indeed be GROSS negligence.
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Death caused by another person isnt always necessarily murder.......it is whether or not that death caused was ''intentional'' that changes it, ie whether manslaughter/ negligence. :(
I wont say more here now........keeping my thoughts to myself at the mo.....I do think lots though........:(
 
I think lots to but its all confused and i just cant see this as simply an accident. I mean he was getting paid to take care of him. If i was getting paid his kind of money i would be Hand cuffed to Michael and watching his every move. Obviously this doctor had other things on his mind like which hoochie he was going to blow mike off to go see. Or what Baby mama he was going to pay off.

If he gets off with just a slap on the wrist a SECOND time there will be hell to pay and its going to take a lot to pay off the debt.
 
GinnyJackson said:
I think lots to but its all confused and i just cant see this as simply an accident. I mean he was getting paid to take care of him. If i was getting paid his kind of money i would be Hand cuffed to Michael and watching his every move. Obviously this doctor had other things on his mind like which hoochie he was going to blow mike off to go see. Or what Baby mama he was going to pay off.

If he gets off with just a slap on the wrist a SECOND time there will be hell to pay and its going to take a lot to pay off the debt.
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So many things dont add up. :( CM administered a drug that puts a patient into a slow coma......with NO medical machinery to monitor his vital signs? ie blood pressure etc?:(
Then he goes and chats on the bloody phone to people? :doh:

DA had better have ALL the evidence..........ie tracing calls he made using the service provider....as no doubt CM threw his cell phone and chip away in a river?
Please God lets have the truth...........:yes:
A verdict. A Sentence. No time CM can spend in jail ( if he gets there) will bring our Mike back............but.........we can rest and sleep easier knowing that justice has been done? Please God! :doh:
 
from reading it seems murray should come up against criminally negligent manslaughter at least. not sure if thats just the same as I.M but with C.N.M you owe someone a duty of care ie a doctor and arent just a regular person

this happened in the uk but same kinda thing except it was in a hospital

[Manslaughter by gross negligence subsumes reckless manslaughter]
D, an anaesthetist, failed to observe during an eye operation that the tube inserted in V’s mouth had become detached from the ventilator, causing V to suffer a cardiac arrest and eventually die.​
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Held: D was guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence, which is established where D breached a duty of care towards V that caused V’s death and that amounted to gross negligence.​
Lord MacKay LC:​
“…gross negligence…depends…on the seriousness of the breach of the duty committed by the defendant in all the circumstances in which he was placed when it occurred and whether, having regard to the risk of death involved, the conduct of the defendant was so bad in all the circumstances as to amount in the jury’s judgment to a criminal act or omission”.​
the essential ingredients of involuntary manslaughter by breach of duty:​
(1) proof of the existence of the duty;
(2) breach of that duty causing death; and
(3) gross negligence which the jury considered justified a criminal conviction.

Guilty​
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Billie_Jean09 said:
DA had better have ALL the evidence..........ie tracing calls he made using the service provider....as no doubt CM threw his cell phone and chip away in a river?
Please God lets have the truth...........:yes:
A verdict. A Sentence. No time CM can spend in jail ( if he gets there) will bring our Mike back............but.........we can rest and sleep easier knowing that justice has been done? Please God! :doh:
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I agree. We need to have something well done in this mess.
And it is not only MJ is such a mega star, super famous, etc., but only because he is a human being and he was murdered. He was healthy, yes, also tired and way too thin, but he was healthy and he shouldn't have been given those drugs. Any person being killed this way deserves justice.
 
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[Manslaughter by gross negligence subsumes reckless manslaughter]
D, an anaesthetist, failed to observe during an eye operation that the tube inserted in V’s mouth had become detached from the ventilator, causing V to suffer a cardiac arrest and eventually die.
Held: D was guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence, which is established where D breached a duty of care towards V that caused V’s death and that amounted to gross negligence.
Lord MacKay LC:

“…gross negligence…depends…on the seriousness of the breach of the duty committed by the defendant in all the circumstances in which he was placed when it occurred and whether, having regard to the risk of death involved, the conduct of the defendant was so bad in all the circumstances as to amount in the jury’s judgment to a criminal act or omission”.

the essential ingredients of involuntary manslaughter by breach of duty:
(1) proof of the existence of the duty;
(2) breach of that duty causing death; and
(3) gross negligence which the jury considered justified a criminal conviction.

Guilty
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^^Looking at that i'd say that what murray did was more serious right? This Guy was there watching the patient and just never noticed that the tube came apart...it's not like he didnt bother putting the tube in , in the first place. I mean this guy did his job (badly) and did what was required of him (badly). But murray didnt even bother... what with the lack of equipment and then leaving the room.

Is that not enough to show reckless disregard or whatever was needed for murder2? That he didn't try to kill mj, but he didnt really put any effort into keeping him alive...?
 
i think we should wait , it is coming very soon whatever the DA decides to do
 
Dr. Conrad Murray -- Too Early to Deal
Posted Jan 11th 2010 1:00AM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray -- who is in the cross hairs of the Michael Jackson homicide investigation -- is in no position to even discuss plea bargaining a criminal case ... this according to his lawyer.



Attorney Michael Flanagan tells TMZ he has already been in touch with Pat Dixon, the Head Deputy District Attorney in the L.A. County D.A.'s office, and Dixon is not sharing any info about the case against Dr. Murray. According to Flanagan, Dixon said he can't share information in a case that could go to the L.A. County Grand Jury.

A spokesperson for the D.A.'s office tells TMZ Flanagan did speak with Dixon on Friday, but all Dixon said was he could not discuss the case. The spokesperson says Dixon never mentioned a possible grand jury.

As we first reported, there is a "strong likelihood" the D.A. go after Dr. Murray for involuntary manslaughter, but it's not a done deal.

Law enforcement sources say they don't know if the big wigs in the D.A.'s office will sign off on involuntary manslaughter. The LAPD will be formally presenting the case to the D.A. soon, and the presentation, we're told, will be critical in the decision-making process.

Flanagan tells TMZ as far as he knows Dr. Murray has not violated any law in connection with Michael Jackson's medical care the day he died. Flanagan believes it will be "very difficult" for the D.A. to base a case on gross negligence -- a requirement in proving involuntary manslaughter. As Flanagan puts it, even if there's proof of "an error in judgment," it's a giant leap for a jury to conclude the lapse of judgment constitutes manslaughter.

But, law enforcement sources say the LAPD has experts who have gone on record saying Dr. Murray's conduct constitutes gross negligence that supports a manslaughter prosecution.
 
triniti said:
family about the new informations concern the end of invistigation

I don't know if it has already been located. Here is link.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html
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They're talking about it everywhere.....I don't see what's the news, they already reported 'it could've been homicide' way earlier, but seems they now really believe it 'cuz they obtained documents?! :mello:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ate-amended-coroner-police-investigation.html

http://criminal.lawyers.com/Michael-Jacksons-Death-Ruled-a-Homicide.html
 
Quoting from this site:http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...-homicide.html


"But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death."

What worries me most is that even the family keeps talking about ONE person responsible.
It's a lot more than one involved in this hideous murder and if they don't come forward with this,nobody will.
 
Maria MJ said:
Quoting from this site:http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...-homicide.html


"But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death."

What worries me most is that even the family keeps talking about ONE person responsible.
It's a lot more than one involved in this hideous murder and if they don't come forward with this,nobody will.
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So far, I have heard Janet talking about how they think CM killed MJ. LaToya has said right from the beginning she thinks this is part of a major plot. Joe also thinks there is a plot, that things were planed to kill MJ (he was in an interview this weekend on a local newspaper saying so). I think we will not know what the Jackson family really thinks about this untill they are on the court. So far, we can only get some ideas.
 
whys this thread been moved into here there are posters that have been banned from this section who now cant comment on possible important info. news should be in the news section not the conspiracy section
 
elusive moonwalker said:
whys this thread been moved into here there are posters that have been banned from this section who now cant comment on possible important info. news should be in the news section not the conspiracy section
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I have the same question ??
 
PCR said:
So far, I have heard Janet talking about how they think CM killed MJ. LaToya has said right from the beginning she thinks this is part of a major plot. Joe also thinks there is a plot, that things were planed to kill MJ (he was in an interview this weekend on a local newspaper saying so). I think we will not know what the Jackson family really thinks about this untill they are on the court. So far, we can only get some ideas.
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You are right about Latoya and Joe but unfortunately they are the least credible voices in the family and the media know it and take full advantage.
Why hasn't Katherine ever made a statement?
She would be a reliable source.
 
particularly, the investigation into it—apparently lives forever.
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More than six months after the King of Pop passed away, the Los Angeles County Coroner's office has amended his death certificate to list his cause of death as "acute propofol intoxication" and "intravenous injection by another."

It also now includes that long-awaited magic word: "homicide."
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We have refused to comment on stories involving unnamed sources and will continue to do so," Conrad's attorney, Ed Chernoff, said Friday. "However, we can confirm that we have not received notice of an impaneled grand jury and Dr. Murray has not been invited to testify."
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http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b161395_michael_jacksons_death_certificate.html

so the investigation is still ongoing?
 
kasume said:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b161395_michael_jacksons_death_certificate.html

so the investigation is still ongoing?
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I'm not sure now. :/ I think the story was blown out of proportion because TMZ said that the documents or w.e wouldn't be given to the D.A for a few more weeks or something. That was from the first story reported. Then everyone else followed and I guess forgot that detail. Because nothing has been officially given to the D.A yet. But that Dixon has been assigned to the case already and Murray got himself that Flanagan (sp?) guy, so who knows?

Another thing, I hope Murray does testify because I want to hear his new story that him and his new lawyers come up with. That will top the other 32784674646 stories that he already has. Hopefully him and his lawyers get on the same page then huh? :smilerolleyes: Otherwise Murray will be up on the stand, testifying and talking in circles.
 
Popescu said:
Does anyone know what those codes stand for? I'm reffering to 107AT "unknown", and 120 "no". The rest I could figure out, but what about these?
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The codes stand for the items that have been amended from the 1st page of the certificate. You can see the codes in the first certificate, and the amendments on the second page.

I can't read what 107AT stands for , it seems to be time interval between ???? and death

120 is injured at work, so in Michael's case, no.
 
In other words, while Conrad has apparently armed himself for a legal battle, one has yet to be brought against him.
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Sound pretty guilty to me.

It's like you KNOW they found something against you. Or it could just be that he's aware of all the eyes on him.

But seems to me he already has his defense planned out.

I don't know, but to me, it seems like he KNOWS big charges against him are coming to "pay enough money" to get himself a really good lawyer.
 
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More than six months after the King of Pop passed away, the Los Angeles County Coroner's office has amended his death certificate to list his cause of death as "acute propofol intoxication" and "intravenous injection by another."
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the certificate was amended on 31st August, so this is not really new !

This information was made public when the coroner gave the partial results of the autopsy (the cause of death), back in august.
 
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