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Michael Jackson was terrified of Dr. Tohme Tohme

MJsMagic said:
I wonder if Tohme was at Michael's house the night he was murdered. Did they investigate to see where Tohme was that night. Did they check his phone to see who he called. They said Murray was called by a person on an untraceable phone. Wonder what happened to that story and who it was. I'm sure he could get into the house if he wanted to because it sounds like the security was pretty lax around there. They tried to make Michael look like he was out there but in reality he was extremly intelligent and knew what was going on. He told people he would be killed and no one listened.
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I agree with this post..this is my theory too...also WHY was Thome at the hospital when Jermain gave the press conference.....he didnt even work for Michael anymore
For someone Michael was afraid of he certainly was very present that day....it makes me wonder WHY.
 
I wonder if Thome is working of his own accord ( as in he's a leech that tasted blood ( money) and Mike couldn't get rid of or if he's part of a bigger scheme....
 
Maria MJ said:
Tohme was fired by Mike and replaced by Dileo in May.
That's why everybody is wondering what he was doing at the house on the day Mike passed.
Not only he was there,he also fired all the staff.
Under what capacity??
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Yeah, see I don't know if Michael fired or hired anyone? Why wouldn't he have fired Tohme back in September when he had him investigated? Hm, because he was never really working FOR Michael perhaps? He was more using Michael and so maybe couldn't be fired. He stole all MJ's stuff from Neverland!
Somehow, the rats ended up needing Dileo for something I think. Not sure what, maybe to cover the board seat at Sony to let Tohme fade into the the background all the way, as he has.
Leonard Rowe said Michael told him he would never hire Frank Dileo back, and I don't think he did. They are all part of the same pack of rats if you ask me.
 
It's all hearsay...we can only speculate from what Michael himself said or did in the recent past.
We need those letters of firing and mostly re-hiring people!
It's surprising how investigation relies solely on what they claim is true.
They need to provide evidence!
 
Tohme - This guy threatened him and the Jackson family, according to the source he said: there will be blood - this was reported some time ago on GeraldoAtLarge. Ok, we don't know if true but the tapes say it all - Mike was scared of him and then this fiasco with Julien's Auction...
I don't trust him.
Frank Dileo: which copies do you mean he provided ?
See, I can't figure it out what Frank's role is in this whole picture - what was he supposed to do ? When he appeared on LKL - it seemed he was there to make some changes with rescheduling the dates of the shows, Tohme was gone and he was there. And the next thing you hear, he is on the board of ATV/Sony MB. Hmmmm

And what you said about Frank and spreading rumores about the Elephant Man bones - I I heard that too !!
Do you think is it possible that he is placing out some rumors to make some noise elsewhere not to draw any attention to others including him - Am I going too far ???


jrsfan said:
I find that strange too. Tapes can be altered. June Gatlin came forward saying stuff, but in the coverage it got lost. Dileo brought forward Gatlin & the Thome tape. I am sure Dileo provided them with the copies of the lawsuits. The news media is so lazy - they do no real investigating anymore - their sources are TMZ. Joe brought up Thome first on LKL.

I can't say I trust Thome but I trust Dileo far less. Dileo is the one who provided stories to the tabs about the Elephant Man bones & the pic to the National Enquirer of MJ in the hyperbaric chamber. Who knows what rumors & stories Dileo spread in the media after he was fired? He was very angry.
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What when Tohme was under contract, thats why he couldn't fire him immediately ? - Well, I thought that at the beginning but if you are afraid, don't trust your employee and you think that he doesn't have your best interests at heart then you break up the business relationship and not wait over...yeah 8 months to finally fire him.
Especially when reports circulated about his threats to Julien's Auction House and this was in March as far I can remember, and he waited 2 months to remove him in May - still according to reports or to Frank DiLeo.

Kane said:
Maybe Tohme was under contract?
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I just can't believe all these people in and out of MJ's life without contracts!
There must be signed documents for every one of them.The point is we don't have access to these documents,and those who do I doubt if they are willing to go through validation procedures.
MJ's signature could have been forged anywhere!
Unless they are ordered to submit these documents in court and have them verified by specialists,their word is just not enough to me!

Frank was always the tab feeder. Even Katherine had complained about this,and he told her it's good for Mike's publicity.They even say he started the rumor in January that Mike would die in 6 months.
That's what the night meeting with Tom Mes was all about.
 
I really do not believe Michael was naive because I never I saw that way. For me it has always been a very intelligent man and very strong to overcome/solve things in your life. And I think everything is speculation that this story is a big mess. There is great confusion on the facts and it is still impossible to say and make sure 100% of things. Most of this history is far from our eyes, we do not even know half the truth.

And...

June 25 each person said something and you can not have 100% certainty. I also heard that the Dileo was at home that day, but it has been confirmed? I do not remember having been confirmed.
 
Maria MJ said:
It's all hearsay...we can only speculate from what Michael himself said or did in the recent past.
We need those letters of firing and mostly re-hiring people!
It's surprising how investigation relies solely on what they claim is true.
They need to provide evidence!
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I am not suggesting that this is 'evidence' as such but they say that the camera doesnt lie:(
I personally find this pic disturbing and upsetting. Anyone agree?
Just look at how tight Tohme is gripping Michael's arm?
He seems sinister to me.:( Sorry but look and tell me what you think?


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Does anyone know if Michael usually fired his employees by sending a letter???

Just a thought.....

DiLeo, Brance, etc. I just wonder how he fired them. In person? By letter? Phonecall?

I have this strange thought, but I don't want to say it yet unless I know more.
 
Love.him said:
I'm wondering why the staff listened to Thome.
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Probably the same reason they listen to the Chandlers. If they didn't get what they want they'd threaten to tell Michael and have them fired. Though if he didn't get what he wanted, Tohme could have probably just fired them on the spot, no question asked.
 
Tohme is indeed scarier than Murray!! Michael had every reason to be afraid of this man. What's worse is the fact that supposedly Jermaine brought Michael together with Tohme!! And for the purpose of introducing Michael to Barrack and Colony Capital in order to save Neverland? They knew they had Michael then--and so began the campaign for the 02 concerts---Michael never wanted to do them and it took them almost 2 years to convince him. It was all part of the plan. I think the Julien fiasco was a nudge--intimidation works. Michael fires him, and yet he's there with Jermaine to make the announcement--and the Freudian slip by Jermaine--and DiLeo was there too--everyone just lets this guy run the show? Then he fires the staff--and a short time later we find out that Michael's possessions and $5M is gone--but Tohme returns them shortly afterwards---suspicious, very suspicious--and now he has vanished, laying so low, it's almost a joke. I mean, Frank, Randy and others associated with Michael were in the press--but Tohme--where is this guy? Was he told to lay low because fans and others were getting suspicious, and the big snakes finally saw him as a liability?
 
kasume said:
Does anyone know if Michael usually fired his employees by sending a letter???

Just a thought.....

DiLeo, Brance, etc. I just wonder how he fired them. In person? By letter? Phonecall?

I have this strange thought, but I don't want to say it yet unless I know more.
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I imagine all would have received letters eventually, just to formalize things. But, with people such as Frank, I guess he'd have spoken to them first as they were no doubt friends aswell and the letter would have just been... I don't know, confirmation.

But with Tohme things were no doubt different. To me it was as if Michael was a money pot for him, nothing more, he could care less about a friendship of any kind and I very much doubt that Michael wanted his friendship either. Anyway, in this situation, I image it was all done formally and with very little verbal contact between Tohme and Michael.
 
Kane said:
I imagine all would have received letters eventually, just to formalize things. But, with people such as Frank, I guess he'd have spoken to them first as they were no doubt friends aswell and the letter would have just been... I don't know, confirmation.

But with Tohme things were no doubt different. To me it was as if Michael was a money pot for him, nothing more, he could care less about a friendship of any kind and I very much doubt that Michael wanted his friendship either. Anyway, in this situation, I image it was all done formally and with very little verbal contact between Tohme and Michael.
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If Thome was this threatening, I just wonder why Michael would not have spoken to him verbally, or face to face, and fire him. Was Michael that scared? Seriously.

Or I guess Michael just wanted nothing to do with him anymore, and KNEW that Thome was going to recieve that letter and read his message.

But apparently, "Thome didn't get the message". That's why I think Michael should have fired him face to face or by phone.

Or maybe he did...we don't know....

But OF COURSE, he would say something like "I was never fired. I never recieved that news."
 
Everyone knew Michael was dead, so why wouldn't they wait for a member of his family to fire them or even Frank?

Kane said:
Probably the same reason they listen to the Chandlers. If they didn't get what they want they'd threaten to tell Michael and have them fired. Though if he didn't get what he wanted, Tohme could have probably just fired them on the spot, no question asked.
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What freudian slip? That Michael was going to the airport? He's just not used to referring to Michael as someone whose no longer alive.

dirtydiana27 said:
Tohme is indeed scarier than Murray!! Michael had every reason to be afraid of this man. What's worse is the fact that supposedly Jermaine brought Michael together with Tohme!! And for the purpose of introducing Michael to Barrack and Colony Capital in order to save Neverland? They knew they had Michael then--and so began the campaign for the 02 concerts---Michael never wanted to do them and it took them almost 2 years to convince him. It was all part of the plan. I think the Julien fiasco was a nudge--intimidation works. Michael fires him, and yet he's there with Jermaine to make the announcement--and the Freudian slip by Jermaine--and DiLeo was there too--everyone just lets this guy run the show? Then he fires the staff--and a short time later we find out that Michael's possessions and $5M is gone--but Tohme returns them shortly afterwards---suspicious, very suspicious--and now he has vanished, laying so low, it's almost a joke. I mean, Frank, Randy and others associated with Michael were in the press--but Tohme--where is this guy? Was he told to lay low because fans and others were getting suspicious, and the big snakes finally saw him as a liability?
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Sorry for the confusion. At the press conference where Jermaine announced Michael's death, he inadvertently referred to Tohme as being the doc with Michael when he died. Which brings up another interesting point. Do you remember the Raffles/DiLeo interview--why did Frank completely go around the questions about Tohme, and instead directed his answers to refer to Murray?
 
Could a large forum as MJJC arrange for an on-line interview with Dileo?
I believe this was done before.
We could ask him these questions flat out.
 
I'd like an interview from Dr. Thome Thome.

But he'll probably just ditch us like he did Larry King, or not even respond at all.
 
The star's spokesman told the Los Angeles Times Jackson was moving back to California with his three children to be closer to "where all the action (in the entertainment industry) is". He added that "the second half (of Jackson's career) will be better than the first."
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In another thread, I started talking about the "where all the action is" in paranthees. And found out it was said by Thome Thome. I don't think entertainment was the action Thome meant.

"the second half will be better than the first". second half? new beginning of life?
 
I think Tohme showed up in MJ's life promising _A_ in exchange of _B_,

but that _B_ included things MJ was not expecting. Months later,

MJ was still interested in _A_ even though he not longer trusted Tohme,

which was the reason for keeping him longer than September.

Tohme turned out to be someone who wanted more from MJ than what he

originally asked.

Do I make sense?
 
rainny said:
I think Tohme showed up in MJ's life promising _A_ in exchange of _B_,

but that _B_ included things MJ was not expecting. Months later,

MJ was still interested in _A_ even though he not longer trusted Tohme,

which was the reason for keeping him longer than September.

Tohme turned out to be someone who wanted more from MJ than what he

originally asked.

Do I make sense?
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No, what is A and B?? Please be clear. :scratch:
 
dirtydiana27 said:
Sorry for the confusion. At the press conference where Jermaine announced Michael's death, he inadvertently referred to Tohme as being the doc with Michael when he died. Which brings up another interesting point. Do you remember the Raffles/DiLeo interview--why did Frank completely go around the questions about Tohme, and instead directed his answers to refer to Murray?
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  • Yeh that was strange, I read he had told a newspaper something about Dr. Tohme doing the cpr.
  • Yes.. Raffles asked about Tohme and Frank ignored it. Maybe he's scared of him, as Michael was.
 
Rockin. said:
  • Yeh that was strange, I read he had told a newspaper something about Dr. Tohme doing the cpr.
  • Yes.. Raffles asked about Tohme and Frank ignored it. Maybe he's scared of him, as Michael was.
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I never saw the DiLeo interview. That's odd. This is further evidence that Murray is a red herring from Thome.

And in this interview, how obvious can it be that Murray is used to throw everyone off the track leading to Thome.
 
You guys should know some of your favorite posters from here are on KOP doing damage control for Thome, just like they tried here.
 
yeah i sometimes tried to give a certain poster the benefit of the doubt although they were fishy from the start but just every so often they come out with something that shows their colours on kop.they let their guard slip (beachlover btw)
 
elusive moonwalker said:
yeah i sometimes tried to give a certain poster the benefit of the doubt although they were fishy from the start but just every so often they come out with something that shows their colours on kop.they let their guard slip (beachlover btw)
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not surprising they have moved to other places to try and do further damage..I just hope that the folks over at KOP are on their toes and they can spot the fakes.
 
Billie_Jean09 said:
I am not suggesting that this is 'evidence' as such but they say that the camera doesnt lie:(
I personally find this pic disturbing and upsetting. Anyone agree?
Just look at how tight Tohme is gripping Michael's arm?
He seems sinister to me.:( Sorry but look and tell me what you think?


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Uh-oh...

Is there pain in Michael's "smile" or is it just the angle? :doh:
 
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