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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Ok, I'll stay on topic.

Ashtanga said:

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I just noticed the guy behind MJ really wants to appear in the video :no:
I wonder where he is now :scratch:
 
^^ bahahaha...You can see him casually trying to get into the shot ....lol
 
Arklove said:
What a fashion faux pas, Jason...You don't wear a jean jacket AND a pair of jeans at the same time (unless of course, it's 1987)..:nono: especially with that look on your face :D
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This is true????? Uh oh :ninja:
 
@ Arklove :hysterical: No not now.:doh: :bugeyed :hysterical:
@ lucilla, I love makeovers. Im at your disposal.
 
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^^ Well, gin..you're cool, so I'm sure you can pull it off :D









Or not :ninja:





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Posted this over at Max-Jax:
Something I find kind of curious...

Okay, so you can find the Cascio songs on Youtube, right? I see there's Keep Your Head Up, Monster, Breaking News, there's even other songs from the album...

And then, fans have uploaded songs from Jason Malachi, and they aren't removed. There are many songs of Jason Malachi's up from unauthorized fan accounts.

These videos aren't removed by Jab Me(Cascio's, right?) or Malachi's company?

However, if a comparison video is put up showing only a few seconds or one line of a song in comparison with another, it is almost automatically removed?

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit of strange logic.

So it's obviously alright to post the full-length Cascio songs on Youtube, or else they'd be removed. Also, it's obviously okay to post Jason Malachi songs, because there are hundreds of examples.

But they are specifically targeting comparison videos, at least it seems to me.

Any opinions?


And also there is:

Posted by the user: turbynyux (obviously not Jason Malachi, right?)

Updated reply:

By the way, my posting a link to the Youtube of Keep Your Head Up shouldn't be against the forum rules as it's publicly available. It's been up for months and months, if Sony wanted to take it down they could have by now. I'm not sure who the "ClassicProjects" are but I don't think they're officially Sony related.

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Just thought of an idea with this, too!

The comparison's could definitely be transcribed for these Youtube videos.

Anyone could help with that.

All you'd have to do is put links to the songs side by side with the specific comparison times embedded in the links.

It could be very resourceful!
 
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Aniram said:
Posted this over at Max-Jax:
Something I find kind of curious...

Okay, so you can find the Cascio songs on Youtube, right? I see there's Keep Your Head Up, Monster, Breaking News, there's even other songs from the album...

And then, fans have uploaded songs from Jason Malachi, and they aren't removed. There are many songs of Jason Malachi's up from unauthorized fan accounts.

These videos aren't removed by Jab Me(Cascio's, right?) or Malachi's company?

However, if a comparison video is put up showing only a few seconds or one line of a song in comparison with another, it is almost automatically removed?

I was wondering if anyone else thinks this is a bit of strange logic.

So it's obviously alright to post the full-length Cascio songs on Youtube, or else they'd be removed. Also, it's obviously okay to post Jason Malachi songs, because there are hundreds of examples.

But they are specifically targeting comparison videos, at least it seems to me.

Any opinions?


And also there is:

Posted by the user: turbynyux (obviously not Jason Malachi, right?)
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What is tiring is that they perfectly well know about the controversy and are completely mute. They prefer spending their precious time on removing the videos than communicating with fans.
 
I guess it's their mantra - they'd rather spend their time cleaning up the mess they've made in silence then come forward and deal with the situation head-on...Well, they can have fun with that then cuz they're gonna be doing that for a long, long time lol
 
The more I listen to the cascio tracks the more I think it cannot not be MJ. There is a level of style involved in the delivery that, even if rough and incomplete, still rings MJ. I am not as interested as some are in "proving the point"--or attempting to do so, which in any case is impossible considering the absence of worktapes, etc.--but I thought that sharing my sentiment with the other contributors to this thread might be a reminder that not all of MJ's discerning fans think there is a conspiracy afoot.
 
Yukon Jack said:
The more I listen to the cascio tracks the more I think it cannot not be MJ. There is a level of style involved in the delivery that, even if rough and incomplete, still rings MJ. I am not as interested as some are in "proving the point"--or attempting to do so, which in any case is impossible considering the absence of worktapes, etc.--but I thought that sharing my sentiment with the other contributors to this thread might be a reminder that not all of MJ's discerning fans think there is a conspiracy afoot.
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This, my friend, is because you are getting used to them. Those unprecedent vocals are becoming a parallel reference in your brain of what Michael is supposed to sound like after recording with the Cascios. Every time you will hear a Cascio track in the future, your brain should automatically identify the voice as MJ's.
 
The more you listen to them.... So you are moving further away from your initial reaction. I agree with bumper your mind is playing tricks on you. My reaction when i listen to them has always been the same. Consistently NOT Michael Jackson on lead vocals. Not less or more the 'more' i listen to them.
 
I think that without exaggerating, those vocals do ressemble Michael's. BUT, and it's a big BUT(T) :lmao: what is bothering me personally is that the vocals ressemble! The vocals should never sound LIKE Michael, they should SOUND Michael. The fact that there IS a dilemma indicates that something is fully wrong.
 
Why wouldn't Michael write anything down about this? I thought Michael kept a good journal of things, wrote a lot of notes, why wouldn't he leave anything behind mentioning these songs? And if he did, why wouldn't we be able to see it? Why wouldn't it be included in the booklet like all the other songs? All of the other songs have proof...
 
^^ Well, that's the thing...that's a HUGE chunk of songs without any pieces of evidence that he was involved in these songs whatsoever...Along with the fact that we've never, ever heard him sound the way he does on the those tracks....The fact that Taryll said he was told everything was destroyed...Well, the Cascio's didn't deny this claim, and didn't attempt (effectively) to back up any of their OWN claims that it's Michael on these tracks...These songs are the most complete, yet they're rough demos, guide vocals, or whatever...Um, so which is it? All other demos of Michael's, we hear mumblings, gibberish, made up words, Michael feeling for the song, blank spaces in the songs, repeated verses, Michael giving instruction in the songs...Yet, in the Cascio songs, there are full on, complete sentences, no gibberish/mumblings....Still, all of this is strangely accepted by a lot of fans...
 
Personally i don't NEED proof and evidence to satisfy my own belief that the main vocals are not Michael. (that's not to say i wouldn't welcome with delight the truth of the matter being told so that this mess can be left behind and the people responsible punished ) I have my 30 years of listening to MJ's voice and my instinct telling me loud and clear it is not MJ singing those tracks. Put together with the shady origins of the tracks and the total lack of transparency from the creators on the process of making them it's pretty clear that something is seriously suspect.However i do demand proof and evidence to accept it is Michael. That has not happened. The estate statement basically tells us to take their word for it and claims to have had tests done but refuses to name the experts, give more details or show the results.NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
 
It's a 'do I trust my ears and instincts, or do I trust what a record company and producers looking to cash in tell me?'...hmmmm....
 
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