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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I really love that mix of "Let me let go & Monster" and the mix of "Keep your head up & Room 2 breath".

Best comparisons ever.... well, i should include the comparisons of snorts.
 
So i finished to the best of my limited ability to make Burn tonight sound kinda like MJ. Though...im not to happy with the result. I think its as good as i can get it now.
 
Just heard the full Burn Tonight....Come on people....As others have said...this isn't a debate anymore...Why the hell are we even discussing this song?!? It's so obvious it's not Michael....Just no....This is a cheap, cheap impersonation (along with the rest of the Cascio songs) being passed off as one of the greatest, most unique vocalists in the world. It's completely and utterly insulting.

Just gonna quote you here, StellaJackson - 'What are people hearing that makes them think it sounds more like Michael than Jason?'...This, this, this...

The lyrics, the instrumentation, the composition, the overall style have nothing to do with Michael. This is something else, someone else altogether. Even when Michael didn't write a song, his overall style, his spirit, is in the song, as a fan, you can HEAR that, plain as day..That's where his talent lived, in the fact that he made a song his own, that much is true. These songs deviate so far from that. I'm just really, really baffled.

It's sick.
 
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I just heard Burn Tonight (It's still on YouTube for those who don't want to download). Avoiding bad/insensitive jokes this time, my reaction to Burn Tonight was pretty much...

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For the first time in a Cascio song (for me), I actually hear Jason Malachi. (Or maybe a Jason Malachi impersonator :p).
 
Arklove said:
Where is the song? :fear: can someone send it to me?

@dam2040 - Bumper's on holidays...should be back at the end of the month :)

Please, please, PLEASE no Cascio tracks at the Cirque show...I'll :puke: :no:
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Thanks Arky,can't wait :)
 
Wait, you weren't a doubter on the three tracks on the album, but you're convinced that something is wrong with Burn Tonight? I have to hear this song!!

This is probably a stupid question, but how does everyone know that Burn Tonight is from the Cascios? Do they have a copyright on this song or something?
 
diana79 said:
Wait, you weren't a doubter on the three tracks on the album, but you're convinced that something is wrong with Burn Tonight? I have to hear this song!!

This is probably a stupid question, but how does everyone know that Burn Tonight is from the Cascios? Do they have a copyright on this song or something?
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Yep, with BMI if I'm not mistaken.
 
Just heard the full song. The extra minute doesn't give any additional insight. There is a sax solo and repeat of chorus and some "let it burn" ad libs towards the end.

Very generic. It sounds like a song from Ricky Martin in the late 1990's.

What happened to Teddy Riley? How can this song be produced by the co-producer of Jam, RTT and Dangerous???

Like the other Cascio tracks, many vocal parts sound out of place. I really don't like the way the "ah ah ah's" are stacked. Michael didn't make those "ah ah ah" sound for no reason. His songs are like a tapestry that is intrigingly and tighly woven.

To me, listening to a Michael Jackson song is like taking a journey with him. He takes me to places, gets me high and brings me back. There is no journey in Burn Tonight. I keep waiting for that climax. The song builds up to nowhere.

Eddie Cascio is not talentless. He's able to write some catchy tunes. He's just not in the Michael Jackson league. Oh well... Teddy Riley seems like a much worse producer now without Michael there to push him.
 
I think it's pretty clear that without Michael to guide him in the studio Teddy is totally lost. You can really tell who the mastermind was behind the Dangerous album
 
Well, Burn 2 Nite is catchy, it's not terrible, it's just not a Michael Jackson song and it's obvious...lol
 
I lol'd at the Sax solo. Who the FU** thinks a MJ song would sound like that??
 
The sad thing is that a Salsa song is really the only genre missing from MJ's discography. He's covered basically every other musical genre, or has at least infused elements of other genres in songs.
 
^^ Maybe it was a genre that didn't appeal to him, who knows...I don't remember him ever doing a country-ish song either...Unless you count Much Too Soon, or maybe even Destiny, but those don't really classify as 'country' in my opinion...
 
^^ I don't necessarily agree,I think Michael put into his songs what he thinks works without trying to force the song into being something that wouldn't work
 
I don't find he ever had any particular 'genre'...It seems he mixed several genres into one song all the time...He never had a strict genre for any one song...If that makes sense...lol
 
True, he really didn't do a country song, either. I'm not saying that he forced multiple genres in songs, just that he had the ability to seamlessly add elements of genres into a song to make it something like never before.
 
Burn Tonite is not a terrible song. But, let me say this, if Burn Tonite is the type of song Michael released in his lifetime. Then, his catalogue would not be as highly regarded as it is now.

Another reason that I'm not excited about "songs recently brought to completion by producers inspired by Michael Jackson"... :doh:

Seriously, can they just release outtakes and demos-as-is-left-by-Michael? Stop playing genious. They are not.
 
Ok, all these Cascio songs just don't seem 'right'....That's all I'm sayin'...lol...I don't just mean the vocals...But these songs don't scream 'Michael Jackson'...Even if a song that doesn't sound like something he would have done before, like, 'Whatever Happens', for example...you can still feel his heavy influence, and um, the vocals are obviously him lol
 
Arklove said:
^^ Maybe it was a genre that didn't appeal to him, who knows...I don't remember him ever doing a country-ish song either...Unless you count Much Too Soon, or maybe even Destiny, but those don't really classify as 'country' in my opinion...
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What about "Going back to Alabama" with Kenny Rogers?
 
^^ There you go ;) lol...It just wasn't a genre that appealed to him in a big way, you know? At least from what I can tell...But he certainly never shied away from such genres...He could do literally anything...
 
I love the strings in it. Very arabic. Especially right before the sax (which doesn't fit AT ALL.)
 
StellaJackson said:
The leaking of Burn 2Nite in full should put an end to this debate. How anyone who considers themselves to be a fan of Michael can possibly think he is singing that is beyond me. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but as someone with an in depth knowledge of Michael's voice for decades, I just don't get it. What are people hearing that makes them think it sounds more like Michael than Jason? The more stuff leaks, the more fans get a chance to hear the reality.
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I know we are not as actively moderating this thread as much as others in order to allow unencumbered discussion. However, the key word is discussion. The sly digs at others really, really need to stop pronto. Saying that you don't understand what people hear when they listen to a song that makes them think it is MJ, is so much different then beginning to question whether a person is a fan because they hear MJ. The former encourages conversation. The latter turns off a whole group of people, limits what you will understand from their position, and, furthermore, is against the rules. Please let this be a final warning. That way we can all , even when not agreeing, can at least try to understand the positions of one another.

Thanks! :flowers:


analogue said:
I think it's pretty clear that without Michael to guide him in the studio Teddy is totally lost. You can really tell who the mastermind was behind the Dangerous album
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dam2040 said:
^ Totally agree. Teddy just seems a bit rubbish without Michael
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Ummm, no. Teddy Riley is extremely successful without MJ. His catalogue of songs he produced is much more vast than the Dangerous album. Though he is mostly known for producing R&B acts (Keith Sweat, Al B Sure, Christopher Williams, Guy, Blackstreet, SWV) he is also credited with ushering in the NJS style of music of which I am hugely fond of. It makes me nostlagic just thinking about it :wub:

I don't think Teddy's problem is because he does not have MJ in the studio with him as he has repeatedly shown he can be successful and genius with out MJ. Maybe he is just getting older and not as in tune with what people want to hear???? I don't know, just a guess. :D
 
^^ I agree...I do enjoy the strings....Gives me a break from the voice :bugeyed

@ginvid - Blackstreet - No Diggity...now that's a genius song...:wub:
 
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