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Michael - The Great Album Debate

High-Five, Bumper! :D

Well, they're all out. We've heard enough from every song to make a judgement on the batch of songs as a whole. Personally, I think Black Widow sounds the most convincing, excessive pasting excluded.
 
My fav MJ's song is "Brand new day" (with Diana Ross's supporting vocals).

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Arklove said:
Yeah, it really does...I've tried to pick my fave song, but I just can't do it...I don't even think I could pick a top 5 or a top 10....lol
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Maybe a top 10 of favourite unreleased songs will help? :D
 
Here's my top three of MJ's songs

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Yes, Michael is the singer, he is credited. The other singers don't do anything else but support MJ's vocals in the songs.
 
I'm ijoking mood tonight :D So, here's a riddle: to you, what is proof of courage? :D (I'll give the answer after you give your propostions)

p.s. This is completely on-topic, since the Cascio tracks are a complete joke :D
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I'm ijoking mood tonight :D So, here's a riddle: to you, what is proof of courage? :D (I'll give the answer after you give your propostions)

p.s. This is completely on-topic, since the Cascio tracks are a complete joke :D
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To me, proof of courage is when you realize consequences of actions and take said consequences on with a smile on your face. Case and point (I'm in a narcissistic mood today): Realizing that I have to endure the presence of a harpy girl I absolutely hate for the next two years but being able to endure it by quietly humming MJ tunes to myself.
 
I'm not trying to be mean, but i seriously don't understand when people say they enjoy a cascio song or that they're going to integrate it into their music library because it's listenable, or enjoyable or whatever.

if you doubt the authenticity of these tracks, how can you possibly listen to them? Do you realize what they represent? regardless of how these songs sound, they represent complete betrayal. They're insulting and disrespectful. i couldn't possibly rank them because to me, every single one makes me feel the same emotion: anger. They make me SICK.
 
Jesta, are you sure that it was Alright/All Right we heard on the ustream show a few months ago?
 
KingMikeJ said:
Jesta, are you sure that it was Alright/All Right we heard on the ustream show a few months ago?
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Yep, I'm sure. The chorus is exactly that.

azsummergirl, I'm sickened by the existence of the Cascio tracks. I'm sure all doubters are. But I'm a particularly jaded person and I love to play into people's games when I'm confident about something. Letting them think they've won when in reality they've been exposed is an amazing victory. Playing into their hand and at the last second revealing your trump card is a feeling like no other.

Besides, the anger I feel towards the tracks is channelled into more constructive things. As I've said, Black Widow reminds me of that harpy girl and they both have some things in common: crap way of writing, deadly for the soul and fake as hell. Though the second verse of the true Hollywood Tonight reminds me of her as well, and in a pretty shocking way... But I digress.

What I was trying to say in that last paragraph is that the correlation I've made between those two things is actually pretty funny, and that calms my anger slightly because now I can attach that girl to a fake song and not have my legit MJ songs soiled by her.
 
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Just out of respect to Michael I refuse to listen to any so called leaked songs. Be they real or not, it is not the wish of Michael for us to hear songs that are unfinished or poor quality. I will wait patiently for the next cd and if one or more of those songs are in it, I will listen them and judge them then as best as I can. Knowing Michael this is the best thing for all of us to do. Take thing as they are and not as we would like them to be. I trust Sony to make the right call with these songs, to publish them or not, according to their knowledge of the songs truthfulness. It is their choise, not ours.
 
MJnun said:
Just out of respect to Michael I refuse to listen to any so called leaked songs. Be they real or not, it is not the wish of Michael for us to hear songs that are unfinished or poor quality. I will wait patiently for the next cd and if one or more of those songs are in it, I will listen them and judge them then as best as I can. Knowing Michael this is the best thing for all of us to do. Take thing as they are and not as we would like them to be. I trust Sony to make the right call with these songs, to publish them or not, according to their knowledge of the songs truthfulness. It is their choise, not ours.
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Even if they were duly released, what makes you think Michael would wish that?
 
Another point: even if it IS Michael Jackson, it is NOT Michael Jackson. It doesn't sound Michael Jackson. Even 2000 Watts sounds more Michael Jackson compared to this Cascio mascarade.
 
MJnun said:
Just out of respect to Michael I refuse to listen to any so called leaked songs. Be they real or not, it is not the wish of Michael for us to hear songs that are unfinished or poor quality. I will wait patiently for the next cd and if one or more of those songs are in it, I will listen them and judge them then as best as I can. Knowing Michael this is the best thing for all of us to do. Take thing as they are and not as we would like them to be. I trust Sony to make the right call with these songs, to publish them or not, according to their knowledge of the songs truthfulness. It is their choise, not ours.
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Not trying to be mean here. No one in the world knows what Michael's wishes would be. If you think it's disrespectful to listen to songs that are unfinished or in poor quality, you probably should skip the album Michael as well. The songs in the album are not finished by Michael, so by definition is not finished. Unless the songs on the next album are all outtakes from previous albums, the songs are also unfinished. And, nobody, not you, me or Sony, would know how Michael would finish the songs.

Don't place so much faith in Sony or any other music label. The record labels are not advocates of the artists. They want to maximize profits. The songs' "truthfulness" and artistic integrity are not on top of their priority lists.

I respect your choice of not listening to any leaks. But, the people who listen to leaks respect Michael just as much as you do.
 
Finally listened to all the Cascio tracks. None of the remaining nine unreleased Cascio tracks are worthy material, authentic or not. Fall In Love, Ready 2 Win, Water and All Right are dreadful. Let the songs stay in the vault. It's not even a matter of processing. Studio magic would not breathe life into these mediocre tracks. The quality of composition and lyrics is simply not good enough.

When I listen to the snippets of I Am A Loser and People of the World, my heart skipped a beat. I'm mesmerized. The melody of I Am A Loser is now forever inprinted in my brain. In comparison, the Cascio tracks are so sparkless. Even the catchier one like Soldier Boy and Burn Tonight are getty blurry now.
 
I used to hold a healthy doubt that the Cascio tracks were Malachi, but with the leaking of all the material I think that the doubters were right. I now toss in my lot with the doubters. The music here isn't terrible, but the imposture is reprehensible. How did this happen?
 
Yukon Jack said:
I used to hold a healthy doubt that the Cascio tracks were Malachi, but with the leaking of all the material I think that the doubters were right. I now toss in my lot with the doubters. The music here isn't terrible, but the imposture is reprehensible. How did this happen?
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The more people that hear this stuff the better. It completely destroys the processing argument. Hearing this stuff shows there is no defense against it being Jason.
 
Has anyone seen the threatening tweets sent by some believers to doubters, trying to scare them? I'd love to run a trace on the emails supposedly sent from Sony to here and Maximum Jackson to see what server they actually originate from. Asking for members of a forum to be banned for life? I don't think so.
 
Given what was leaked a few days ago,they definately picked the 'best' songs of the bunch. Some of them were almost laughable
 
StellaJackson said:
Thanks for pointing that out. It clearly states that this is not a thread for believers.
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KingMikeJ said:
This was pointed out to the staff a few weeks after the thread was created and changed to include both sides of the debate.
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true. initially the threads were divided into two for believers and doubters. later it turned into a debate which we said "do not complain a lot". anyone can post hence it's a "debate".

StellaJackson said:
Has anyone seen the threatening tweets sent by some believers to doubters, trying to scare them? I'd love to run a trace on the emails supposedly sent from Sony to here and Maximum Jackson to see what server they actually originate from. Asking for members of a forum to be banned for life? I don't think so.
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I haven't seen any tweets but it's true that Sony Legal team contacted websites with requests - even legal ones.
 
dam2040 said:
Given what was leaked a few days ago,they definately picked the 'best' songs of the bunch. Some of them were almost laughable
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Besides the vocals, the thing that sticks out the most to me is the sheer mediocrity and lack of originality of these songs...I've said this numerous times, but I've never heard Michael Jackson do something mediocre..Even if the song didn't chart well, or even if it wasn't one of his best songs, each and every single piece of music he's done has had heart and soul in it...Every song has his stamp of style...These songs don't have any of that...Not his voice, not his unique songwriter, instrumentation...NOTHING....These songs scream someone else entirely...I can't picture Michael singing any of these songs...I find even casual fans can tell when a song sounds like a Michael Jackson song, you know what I mean? Everyone knows his style....I don't know if I'm explaining well what I mean...lol

There is nothing to convince me that Michael had anything whatsoever to do with these songs...Nothing...
 
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Arklove said:
Besides the vocals, the thing that sticks out the most to me is the sheer mediocrity and lack of originality of these songs...I've said this numerous times, but I've never heard Michael Jackson do something mediocre..Even if the song didn't chart well, or even if it wasn't one of his best songs, each and every single piece of music he's done has had heart and soul in it...Every song has his stamp of style...These songs don't have any of that...Not his voice, not his unique songwriter, instrumentation...NOTHING....These songs scream someone else entirely...I can't picture Michael singing any of these songs...I find even casual fans can tell when a song sounds like a Michael Jackson song, you know what I mean? Everyone knows his style....I don't know if I'm explaining well what I mean...lol

There is nothing to convince me that Michael had anything whatsoever to do with these songs...Nothing...
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Totally. Nothing like Michael songs for me. I like you, can't picture Michael singing the songs. Yet I see STTR,DD and all sorts of songs. Also, other MJ songs don't get taken down only the Cascio ones, which is very very strange
 
Notice how there are no "AOW" or "HO!" in the songs, without the copy pasted ones..
 
dam2040 said:
Given what was leaked a few days ago,they definately picked the 'best' songs of the bunch. Some of them were almost laughable
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It's really hard to say. I just started KYHU - one minute is enough and it's still one of the worst of them all. The first minute alone is so incredibly NOT Michael Jackson that it hurts physically.

I believe, believers listened to those songs so many times already, that "this is real, this is MJ" is burned to their brains. So the newly discovered songs might not change their minds as easily as we think. Doubters however who avoid those songs as much as possible, do listen to them in a quite fresh way everytime. I listened to KYHU about 2-3 times since it came out (apart from short comparisons). And I forgot HOW bad it is. I forgot how untypical the lyrics fit the music ... as far as rhythm goes: lines overlap all the time. Never heard that in that intensity before - please feed me with counter-comparisons if you can.

@Bumper: The Widow / Room 2 Breath thing ... it's similar but not enough to really point it out. It's no big deal, it's a small deal. But it's there. And given the history ... you figure out the rest.
 
There is one thing that strikes me even more now. The voice in one of the songs is awfully shaky! And this neverending vibrato is present on each one of those songs! The same lengty vibrato that I hear in Jason's songs! How on earth is this possible!?

@Grent

Thanks. You see it from a musician perspective. I see it from an average listener perspective and it strikes me to have exactly the same style of beginning with double "dum! dum!" I would believe in a coincidence if there wasn't another song (Let me let go) that strangely ressembled "Monster" including the same melody that I had pointed out.


As far as I am concerned, although INVINCIBLE album was criticized by many fans around, I find it an unaccessible monument of chef d'oeuvre -- CHURCH & ROCK AND ROLL -- compared to these Cascio songs that are suitable only for ... a circus. By the way, didn't the Cirque de Soleil proposed to play one of those songs?

After hearing those snippets I can only conclude that the Cascios who sold those songs are the worst business backstabbers I've ever seen around Michael! As I said even if it was Michael, it sounds NOTHING like him with such a shaky voice and lengthy exaggerating vibrato that can only be found on JM's songs. If I were them and had such songs in my vault, even if it was Michael I'd never ever sold them to anyone! But I guess money is more interesting than preserving Michael's image! It makes me throw up!
 
Bumper - yes Monster, in some form or other was part of the Cirque setlist. Whether it makes it in to the final running order remains to be seen. To include it would show an unbelievable level of stupidity and disrespect towards Michael and his fans.
 
@Grent: Maybe you don't listen to them often. But what about those other doubters that are listening to Jason Malachi quite a lot and want to enforce their opinion that the voices would be IDENTICAL to all others?

Going by your logic, the assumption that Jason and the Cascio singer's voices would be IDENTICAL must be "burned to their brains".

But of course you just use this very weak argument the way it suits you.


It doesn't help both sides to search for excuses why "the others must be brainwashsed" which you've just implied here very clearly.
Not long ago you've praised yourself infinitely with your musical sense, yet you've now regressed to ascribing stupidity to other fans (the believers/neutral people). Playing the psychologist on the one side when on the other side it's actually not far to seek that "this is not real, this is Malachi" is burned to your very own brain.

Why can't fans just stop calling the others stupid or questioning their human intellect. It's exactly this kind of postings that both sides are dipping from to start bickering against each other.
 
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