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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Korgnex said:
As with "All I Need", the leaked a cappella of "Breaking News" clearly showcases composite leads (fabricated lead vocal layers). If you cannot hear two singers in this, you clearly do have an auditory defect. Or you just don't care to take notice of the blendings and cuts.
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If you hear MJ as a lead vocalist in the Cascio songs you clearly have an auditory defect.
 
IvoDT said:
Niceeeee insult! =)
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No, it was an experiment. And you've just proved what I was expecting: Korgnex insulted people twice with the same phrase, yet it is his exact words in my post that are considered as an insult. Nice one.
 
Chamife said:
I"m sorry, but I don't hear a black guy singing. I hear a white guy singing.

Would love to hear that Exotic Dancer again. It's not on the net anymore...but we could talk about if it's possible if that voice can change into the voice we hear on the Cascio songs. My opinion is that it can't, but I'm willing to listen again.
Maybe this guy knows if it's James Porte in the lead, he's a vocal instructor and he worked with James Porte:

http://www.richardiv.com/richardfinkiv.htm

Who says btw that Jason Malachi's voice wasn't on the tracks already when Majestic studio got them? James Porte didn't sing in that studio? So then it wouldn't be strange that Angelo thought James Porte's voice sounded like Michael. A lot of people think Jason Malachi's voice sounds like Michael. When was Jason Malachi posting on MaxJax that something big was going to happen again? Maybe he recorded the songs before Michael died.

It is very well possible that I forgot or overlooked something. Feel free to correct me...:D

Besides the fact that indeed the main point is that it's not Michael I hear on the tracks, I do believe it's Jason Malachi also.
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I think it was Porte that was on the versions that Majestic worked on because he said that it was the producers vocals ie Porte. I believe Jason recorded his vocals between the 21st February and 5th March 2010.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
p.s. In the meantime, Jason Malachi seems to have re-opened his youtube account and has been active recently. If it's his account here's what he posted a few days ago:

[youtube]RAwASjN5ZTM&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
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That's not Jason. It's the same guy who keeps opening multiple youtube accounts and twitter accounts pretending to be him. You can tell because he has the same poor grasp of English on each of his accounts. Why anyone would feel the need to do that is beyond me.
 
StellaJackson said:
That's not Jason. It's the same guy who keeps opening multiple youtube accounts and twitter accounts pretending to be him. You can tell because he has the same poor grasp of English on each of his accounts. Why anyone would feel the need to do that is beyond me.
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Well I wasn't sure if it was him or not. I didn't read his comments.
 
OnirMJ said:
Including the one on the Cascio tracks?
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Yes, Jason Malachi doesn't sound very much like Michael other than for short bursts on a very superficial surface level. He hasn't the timbre, depth, power, skill, emotion or natural soul of MJ. One of the greatest (and most versatile) soul singers of all time against a boy band reject. There really is no comparison.

Korgnex said:
"All I Need" is a perfect example of composite leads (fabricated lead vocal layers). If you cannot hear two singers in this, you clearly do have an auditory defect. Or you just don't care to take notice of the blendings and cuts.
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I can easily say the same thing to you but reverse it. If you can't hear that it is not MJ singing on these tracks, then you clearly do have an auditory defect. See how easy that was? At some point you have to stop relying on the inside information that somebody choses to share with you, things you are shown on a computer screen and actually listen with your ears. If you can.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
No, it was an experiment. And you've just proved what I was expecting: Korgnex insulted people twice with the same phrase, yet it is his exact words in my post that are considered as an insult. Nice one.
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Just as much that the real experiment is that you guys infact do think of us that way. I'm not stupid.

While I don't agree with Korgnex's insult even though I agree with his statement, you guys have been doing this way more/way before us every. single. time. Don't try to play the victim.

Ontopic: I had been thinking, the recent announcement saying the cascio's wouldn't be used for future projects again etc.
What if, in the future, all MJ related stuff has already been released, do you think they would still release this? I myself think they will knowing that there are still people who would love to see them released.
 
there are people who would like shit to be released, and would buy it and eat it. there's a market for everything.
but in the end, the great passing of time and wallets tend to determine who really won. And according to all that, The Real Michael Jackson has won, and frauds have lost...especially, in these times of piracy, and how HARD it is to get people to buy music.
 
kreen;3709057 said:
Ok, when all is said and done, here is my opinion. MJ did record a bunch of guide vocals in 2007 with Eddie and James. He did work with them on the songs to some extent. He told them he’d lay down proper vocals for the 3 or 4 songs he liked the most or had done the most extensive work on. Porte sent those songs to Montrone, with his own vocals on it, imitating MJ – apparently he’s pretty good, if we believe Montrone and/or Korgnex (the latter seems to be 100 % certain – based on facts he has but probably shouldn’t have – that it is Porte singing the “too bad” line, which indicates Porte’s a pretty good MJ impersonator, or a pretty good JM impersonator, both skills that we didn’t suspect he had).

MJ dies, and Cascio/Porte take the few MJ vocals they have from 2007, and using a lot of studio trickery plus a ton of added vocals from Porte, doing his best MJ impersonation, they produce 12 presentable songs.

When the controversy breaks, it’s decided for legal/PR reasons to stick to the official explanation given, if only because the true story of how incomplete the original MJ vocals were, and how much Porte vs. MJ there is on some songs, would lead to bad publicity/legal grumblings about the ethics of selling as a MJ product songs that really only have, say, 40 % MJ.

And there we go. No big conspiracy, only a bit of fudging of the truth regarding MJ’s true contribution to the Cascio songs. The official story is true, or at least “true-ish”.

And I’ll make a concession to those that thought it was Malachi : MJ’s vocals, blended with Porte’s, taking into account that we didn’t know Porte’s voice, but were familiar with Malachi’s, could lead one to think it was actually Malachi, when it was another impersonator after all.
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This is MY opinion:

Let's go back to 1995 to start off. The composer of You Are Not Alone, Robert Kelly, recorded a demo of the track. In the demo, he imitated Michael's vocal stylings (gasps, "hee hee's", etc.) to show Michael what the track would sound like if he recorded it. Keep this in mind.

Fast-forward to when Michael arrives on the Cascio doorstep and stays with them for a few months. At some point, Eddie (an aspiring producer and songwriter) approaches Michael with twelve songs written with James Porte (who was involved as a technical engineer for the Invincible album), in the hopes that Michael would record and release them for his next album. Demos were recorded with Jason Malachi, who was noted as having impersonated Michael in most of his songs and sounded somewhat like him. The reasoning for Malachi's inclusion was to show what the song would sound like if Michael recorded them (a la You Are Not Alone). Michael either agreed to record the tracks at some point or complimented Eddie for the tracks, which led Eddie to making a finished instrumental to present to Michael in the hopes that he would record them during his stay in London.

Then, Michael dies. Eddie is left with twelve tracks that Michael never recorded, with Jason Malachi on lead vocals. Eddie gets wind that the Estate is putting together a new compilation of unreleased music and realizes that he can easily make a quick buck with the twelve Crapio demos. Jason Malachi is contacted and is informed with Eddie's intentions, and agrees. His reasoning is unclear; based on his ego, I believe that Jason agreed to the use of the tracks to see how many people he could fool into thinking he was Michael. Eddie sold the tracks for $5 million (his initial offer was $12 million, $1 million per song) and sat back, hoping that no one would see through his ruse.

Following the release of Breaking News, vocal comparison clips from fans began making their way onto the internet. Celebrities such as Ne-Yo and will.i.am, not to mention Michael's own family and friends, made statements saying that they didn't believe Michael was singing on the tracks. Jason Malachi's own manager, who had heard him record for years, said that he firmly believed that it was Jason on the tracks. Both Eddie, Jason and James realizes that their "clever ruse" was epicly failing. His single TV appearance on the OPRAH show brought forth no new information, other than a few family photos and home videos. When other songs slowly began to make their way online and the fan community was launched into an uproar, Eddie, James and Jason went into hiding. They've all denied various interview requests, and Jason's "third album" that was planned for release in Q3 2011 never materialized.

Also, is there ANY proof that a recording studio existed when Michael lived there?
 
AlwaysThere said:
This is MY opinion:

Let's go back to 1995 to start off. The composer of You Are Not Alone, Robert Kelly, recorded a demo of the track. In the demo, he imitated Michael's vocal stylings (gasps, "hee hee's", etc.) to show Michael what the track would sound like if he recorded it. Keep this in mind.

Fast-forward to when Michael arrives on the Cascio doorstep and stays with them for a few months. At some point, Eddie (an aspiring producer and songwriter) approaches Michael with twelve songs written with James Porte (who was involved as a technical engineer for the Invincible album), in the hopes that Michael would record and release them for his next album. Demos were recorded with Jason Malachi, who was noted as having impersonated Michael in most of his songs and sounded somewhat like him. The reasoning for Malachi's inclusion was to show what the song would sound like if Michael recorded them (a la You Are Not Alone). Michael either agreed to record the tracks at some point or complimented Eddie for the tracks, which led Eddie to making a finished instrumental to present to Michael in the hopes that he would record them during his stay in London.

Then, Michael dies. Eddie is left with twelve tracks that Michael never recorded, with Jason Malachi on lead vocals. Eddie gets wind that the Estate is putting together a new compilation of unreleased music and realizes that he can easily make a quick buck with the twelve Crapio demos. Jason Malachi is contacted and is informed with Eddie's intentions, and agrees. His reasoning is unclear; based on his ego, I believe that Jason agreed to the use of the tracks to see how many people he could fool into thinking he was Michael. Eddie sold the tracks for $5 million (his initial offer was $12 million, $1 million per song) and sat back, hoping that no one would see through his ruse.

Following the release of Breaking News, vocal comparison clips from fans began making their way onto the internet. Celebrities such as Ne-Yo and will.i.am, not to mention Michael's own family and friends, made statements saying that they didn't believe Michael was singing on the tracks. Jason Malachi's own manager, who had heard him record for years, said that he firmly believed that it was Jason on the tracks. Both Eddie, Jason and James realizes that their "clever ruse" was epicly failing. His single TV appearance on the OPRAH show brought forth no new information, other than a few family photos and home videos. When other songs slowly began to make their way online and the fan community was launched into an uproar, Eddie, James and Jason went into hiding. They've all denied various interview requests, and Jason's "third album" that was planned for release in Q3 2011 never materialized.

Also, is there ANY proof that a recording studio existed when Michael lived there?
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And the big thing that many people never seemed to remember was an important line in your statement. 'Michael complimented'. This was something Michael did all the time. His statements were always, at least, seemingly, the most positive statements people would make on a continuous basis, and yet, there were many people through his time in the spotlight, that he was making positive statements about, whom he never ended up working with. So, people mistook his positiveness for a go ahead, or misinterpreted it as MJ saying that their works were something he would record. In other words, they abused his positivity. They still do, today.
The only evidence that Michael ever presented that he was giving a go ahead, was exactly and like exactly, how things went with R. Kelly. and YANA and Cry.
 
Side note:Ne-Yo and Will.I.Am NEVER said they didn't believe it was Michael.What they said was Michael album was released without MJ's blessings just like what Quincy Jones said.They aimed at the whole album which they said was a diss to Michael.
Eddie and James were living their lives.
 
Paw said:
Side note:Ne-Yo and Will.I.Am NEVER said they didn't believe it was Michael.What they said was Michael album was released without MJ's blessings just like what Quincy Jones said.They aimed at the whole album which they said was a diss to Michael.
Eddie and James were living their lives.
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what's the difference, really? What is the difference in the grand scheme of things, between not giving a blessing and saying it's not Michael? When Michael's career is considered, and how his hands-on way was the pinnacle aspect for him, there really is no difference.

if you don't give a blessing to a situation, do you consider it to be you, even if somebody else decides to say that it is you?

A blessing, here, means everything you embody..your reputation..it's all on the line. Would you like somebody else to falsely say that the situation received your blessing?

Now consider the largesse of MJ's reputation.

And after that, consider that Will I Am is a proven legitimate artist. And all the established artists that actually worked with him, all agree that Michael Jackson was the last person to have the last word(Michael Jackson offering his blessing) on a project that involved him. And..incidentally, all those projects were a grand success, including Thriller 25, which, as we all know, Will I Am worked on.

And as i write this post, i see that Frankyboy has corrected something you said.
 
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IvoDT said:
Just as much that the real experiment is that you guys infact do think of us that way. I'm not stupid.
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You can read people's mind?

IvoDT said:
While I don't agree with Korgnex's insult even though I agree with his statement, you guys have been doing this way more/way before us every. single. time. Don't try to play the victim.
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After Korgnex's insults nobody played the victim. I said I was doing a little experiment and the one who played the victim was you by stating: "nice insult".

You know what's the biggest insult? Branca privately admitting that releasing those tracks were a terrible mistake and seeing the believers supporting such controversial tracks as well as supporting the release of the remaining Cascio tracks with damaging effect to the MJ's legacy out of selfishness to hear those tracks instead of demanding undeniable proofs from Eddie which still hasn't been shown.

The least the fans should do for their idol is to be demanding when it comes to such controversial voice! But no, the believers say "amen" to whatever the official version tells them without providing anything that would corroborate that it is MJ.

Just to name some influental people who worked with MJ in the studio: Quincy can't tell whether it is MJ or not, Will I Am doesn't seem convinced. some big names in the music industry haven't managed to record more than three songs with MJ. A big part of the fan base is hugely divided and there are people supporting those tracks? That's an insult Mister! The rest is all consequence of their stupid idea to release them despite the fact that we had warned SONY/Estate not to release those tracks without the tangible proof and not theoretical proof.
 
Korgnex said:
As with "All I Need", the leaked a cappella of "Breaking News" clearly showcases composite leads (fabricated lead vocal layers). If you cannot hear two singers in this, you clearly do have an auditory defect. Or you just don't care to take notice of the blendings and cuts.
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If that is true and you don't have "an auditory defect" then please tell me which lines or words in Breaking News are sung by Michael Jackson alone. Please, I'm asking you again. And which lines or words are sung by someone else, so we can hear the difference that you hear.
 
AlwaysThere said:
This is MY opinion:

Let's go back to 1995 to start off. The composer of You Are Not Alone, Robert Kelly, recorded a demo of the track. In the demo, he imitated Michael's vocal stylings (gasps, "hee hee's", etc.) to show Michael what the track would sound like if he recorded it. Keep this in mind.

Fast-forward to when Michael arrives on the Cascio doorstep and stays with them for a few months. At some point, Eddie (an aspiring producer and songwriter) approaches Michael with twelve songs written with James Porte (who was involved as a technical engineer for the Invincible album), in the hopes that Michael would record and release them for his next album. Demos were recorded with Jason Malachi, who was noted as having impersonated Michael in most of his songs and sounded somewhat like him. The reasoning for Malachi's inclusion was to show what the song would sound like if Michael recorded them (a la You Are Not Alone). Michael either agreed to record the tracks at some point or complimented Eddie for the tracks, which led Eddie to making a finished instrumental to present to Michael in the hopes that he would record them during his stay in London.

Then, Michael dies. Eddie is left with twelve tracks that Michael never recorded, with Jason Malachi on lead vocals. Eddie gets wind that the Estate is putting together a new compilation of unreleased music and realizes that he can easily make a quick buck with the twelve Crapio demos. Jason Malachi is contacted and is informed with Eddie's intentions, and agrees. His reasoning is unclear; based on his ego, I believe that Jason agreed to the use of the tracks to see how many people he could fool into thinking he was Michael. Eddie sold the tracks for $5 million (his initial offer was $12 million, $1 million per song) and sat back, hoping that no one would see through his ruse.

Following the release of Breaking News, vocal comparison clips from fans began making their way onto the internet. Celebrities such as Ne-Yo and will.i.am, not to mention Michael's own family and friends, made statements saying that they didn't believe Michael was singing on the tracks. Jason Malachi's own manager, who had heard him record for years, said that he firmly believed that it was Jason on the tracks. Both Eddie, Jason and James realizes that their "clever ruse" was epicly failing. His single TV appearance on the OPRAH show brought forth no new information, other than a few family photos and home videos. When other songs slowly began to make their way online and the fan community was launched into an uproar, Eddie, James and Jason went into hiding. They've all denied various interview requests, and Jason's "third album" that was planned for release in Q3 2011 never materialized.

Also, is there ANY proof that a recording studio existed when Michael lived there?
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Demos with guide vocals for Michael were sung by James Porte impersonating Michael. Malachi was hired after Michael's passing to record his vocals. I agree with everything else.

Yes studio existed back then (if you count a computer and a microphone in a room as studio).
 
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i may seem like a hog, right now, but i just can't resist that question. that's like asking which part of the ointment the fly dropped in.
and looking over the scape, over the years, that fly has been pretty big, and has had and has many names; the media, cascio, sony, extended jackson family, aeg, any hater(and that includes anyone who sees Michael Jackson as a money object).
They all spent so much time giving the impression, that it was a sorry thing to be him. But it seems, the easiest target is the one that is impossible to hit, because the obvious object was and is for them to be who they told, shouldn't have been him. And, for what? The money.
And since June 25, 2009, they thought it would be even easier, but they're still missing.
I even see that Gloria Allred wants to, at least, look like the object of her hate, who told her to go to hell. She hired Karen Faye.

And for those of these, who are pretending to like him, because of June 25, 2009, how long, after June 25, 2009, until they realize that all the money has slipped through their fingers, they still can't be the soul and spirit that is Michael Jackson, still can't have his fans, still can't hit that target, and, therefore, go back to showing not beautiful true colors? Not long.

*may seem like a random thought, but it would have been placed in the controversy section, and starting with this thread, it's just a thought, after looking at other subjects of other threads in this section, as well.*
 
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IvoDT said:
Just as much that the real experiment is that you guys infact do think of us that way. I'm not stupid.

While I don't agree with Korgnex's insult even though I agree with his statement, you guys have been doing this way more/way before us every. single. time. Don't try to play the victim.

Ontopic: I had been thinking, the recent announcement saying the cascio's wouldn't be used for future projects again etc.
What if, in the future, all MJ related stuff has already been released, do you think they would still release this? I myself think they will knowing that there are still people who would love to see them released.
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Under absolutely no circumstances will they will be released. Ever. I can assure you of that.
 
StellaJackson said:
Who just happens to sound exactly like Jason? The same guy who has gone completely to ground in the last two years let's not forget.
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I think that it is Jason Malachi, but I can't be 100% sure, because there are thousands Michael Jackson impersonators that we've never heard of.

In my opinion it is 80% Jason Malachi. 5% that it is James Porte. 15% that is some third unknown impersonator.

And of course 0,00% that it is Michael Jackson.
 
Thousands of MJ impersonators? Come on dude, you think it's that easy to sound like MJ?
 
Pentum said:
Thousands of MJ impersonators? Come on dude, you think it's that easy to sound like MJ?
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OK, hundreds. It's not easy to sound like MJ. Nobody sounds like MJ. They all sound like someone who is trying to sound like MJ. Like Jason, Taxi driver, Porte...
 
I haven't heard Porte trying to sound like MJ and he cert. doesnt sound anything like him when singing normally.
 
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