Michael's Murky Murder Mystery

First Murray said he needed to go back because he was hungry. And Alberto and Amir said that police already took the keys to his car so it would be no use. (how would alberto and amir know this)? Reports said they "concocted" the story.

The documents also detail an odd encounter with Murray after Jackson was declared dead at a nearby hospital. Murray insisted he needed to return to the mansion to get cream that Jackson had "so the world wouldn't find out about it," according to the statements, which provide no elaboration.

http://www.thegrio.com/entertainment/witness-michael-jackson-doctor-interrupted-cpr.php

Seriously? What's the real reason he needed to go back.....

Wasn't he already done putting the bottles in the bag? What more did he need to do?

What would he care? He just contributed in Michael's death. He has much serious things to worry....

I'd like to know if Murray actually got to go back inside the house after Amir told Muhammad to tell security to lock it down.
 
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Joseph said two of the brothers are being paid to keep quiet...don't know how much he's right about that.

Marlon isn't speaking and Jackie stays quiet while getting paid to play co-producer on MJ's new album.
 
I know this is random, but does anyone know if there's any pictures or screenshots of the handwritten notes Michael wrote that night before?

they were up for auction.


I thought we only heard about them in the National Enquirer. I thought they were post it notes.

Not sure if they were up for sale. Does anyone remember?
 
I thought we only heard about them in the National Enquirer. I thought they were post it notes.

Not sure if they were up for sale. Does anyone remember?

i saw a clip of them on telvision, and while they were mentioning the letters, they showed someone flipping through some lined paper with some writing on it.

...but then that could have been any letters?
 
Why are their three different stories out of why Murray needed to go back to Holmbly Hills after the hospital?

1. He needed his car to get something to eat because he was hungry.
2. When that failed, he pushed aside his hunger and insisted he needed to return and hide cream of Michael's that Michael wouldn't want the world to see.
3. His doctor's bag was still at the residence. (search warrant)

I was also thinking about those three or four people Murray made phone calls to that morning. In a case like this, it would have been wise for police to check the phone records of those three or four people Murray called to see who even they called around that time. See if there's any coincidental/odd connections.
 
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(August 2009) Moth2aflame:
This is how Michael was MURDERED.....Michael was overpowered and given Succinylcholine or Vecuronium these are drugs used in Operation Rooms in every hospital in America, they cause Paralysis while the Anestisiologist put the breathing tube in the patient, it allows the Patient to feel no pain but allows them to be still while the tube is put in and it is NOT traceable, All you can do is move your EYES.

he went in and out of CARDIC ARREST for HOURS, when they first gave him the Succinylcholine he could not MOVE but he saw EVERYTHING they did to him, they started INJECTING Michael with Low Dosages of Morpine, Demorol and other Narcotics and Anit-Depressants for the next 7 HOURS his Killers spent ALOT of time with Michael that Morning, each time they would inject him with heavier dosages some in the SAME Injection sites until he went into FULL CARDIC ARREST, they made him die a very slow Death to throw off Time of Death. I say Michael Jackson real time of death is between 9am and 12pm....and the Parmedics rumors that "he was dead when they got there" are TRUE, there is a 4 hour window that Doctors CANNOT call time of death and the Doctors that really murdered Michael know this, they call at a certain time because thats the time LEGALLY they have to call it when brought into an Emergency Room.

The sad part that I feel is for the Fans who dont understand what has happened here. But for the so called Fans thats perpertrating and apart of this Conspiracy surfing the net under 10 different names same person and posting Negative, Riduclous Threads and Messages to sway these innocent loving Fans, we have a Prayer Group going that God have no MERCY on them because they are part of Michael's Murdered. Its time out for letting MURDERERS get AWAY with Murder wheter in a small Community, our Community or across this Nation, there are people trying to help Michael's Murderers get away with Murder but they want get away not this time, we are required by Law and God not to allow Murderers to get away with Murder, but some people have already sold their Soul and they know their End so they will do anything for Money. But we all will see Michael Jackson again and he will show and reveal to us exactly what happened to him on the morning of June 25, 2009 and it want be no ACCIDENT involved. I can tell from just reading the first line on a post those who are for Michael Jackson and really want the Truth and those who is against Michael Jackson and already know the Truth they are not hard to spot and recognize they may try to mix a little smpathy in the post but their overall message is, believe it was an Accident, SONY and AEG are GOOD Business People, The Executors are Good, Joe Jackson is Bad, like I said they know what they are doing but they shall reap the World Wind for It.

THe ONLY reason they used the PROPOFOL was to SUsTAIN his LIFE and let him LINGER BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH FOR HOURS, Michael didnt NEED ANYTHING TO HELP HIM SLEEP.

I am very interested in this person's post about the paralytic drugs. I presented the info over to a medical professional, and recieved back quite an unusual response. And that's why I want to look into this a bit more.

It is difficult to detect succinylcholine in autopsies and has been called the murder weapon of choice among medical professionals.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/7289756.html


If Charles Augustine was slain three years ago with the same powerful paralytic drug that authorities say killed Nevada Controller Kathy Augustine, finding the physical evidence to prove it will be extremely difficult.

In fact, the drug, succinylcholine, might be the hardest drug to detect in a body after death, according to the scientist who developed the detection method for it.

"If you run the right controls and run the standards, if you do things in a very controlled, systematic, scientific manner, then you possibly can get a positive result, but it's still very difficult."

In addition to being notoriously hard to detect in dead bodies, succinylcholine also occurs naturally when a body decomposes. The presence of the chemical in a dead body is so difficult to interpret that Andresen often advises coroners who are exhuming a body in a succinylcholine poisoning investigation to dig up a second set of remains that has been in the ground for about the same amount of time. That allows investigators to compare the levels of succinylcholine in each body to determine whether the levels of the drug in the suspected victim are higher than what occurred naturally during decomposition in the other set of remains.

Succinylcholine is a powerful muscle relaxant often used in emergency rooms to help doctors insert breathing tubes into patients. It can be lethal if a patient's respiration is not ensured by medical professionals.

"If you get a big enough dose, a big, whopping dose, it will stop your breathing totally if you are left unattended," Andresen said.

"It is the one of the worst drugs to analyze confidently," he said. "You have to be so careful, and the testing has to be done at the toxicology labs with the most scientifically advanced equipment.

Andresen said he sees about one or two cases of succinylcholine poisoning a year. Given the potential for its abuse and the difficulty authorities have in detecting it, he believes it shouldn't be on the market at all.

"For the longest time, I've talked to people about having it banned," Andresen said. "It shouldn't even be around."

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-04-Wed-2006/news/10036971.html
 
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How does that person know what happened that night, especially the horrific details that was added?

don't know. how did that person know ALL Michael's organs showed no sign of drug addiction when autopsy wasn't released till six months later?

how did that person know of the secret drugs being spiked inside Michael's food and drinks?

everything is worth looking into. leave no stone unturned.
 
(August 2009) Moth2aflame:
This is how Michael was MURDERED.....Michael was overpowered and given Succinylcholine or Vecuronium these are drugs used in Operation Rooms in every hospital in America, they cause Paralysis while the Anestisiologist put the breathing tube in the patient, it allows the Patient to feel no pain but allows them to be still while the tube is put in and it is NOT traceable, All you can do is move your EYES.

he went in and out of CARDIC ARREST for HOURS, when they first gave him the Succinylcholine he could not MOVE but he saw EVERYTHING they did to him, they started INJECTING Michael with Low Dosages of Morpine, Demorol and other Narcotics and Anit-Depressants for the next 7 HOURS his Killers spent ALOT of time with Michael that Morning, each time they would inject him with heavier dosages some in the SAME Injection sites until he went into FULL CARDIC ARREST, they made him die a very slow Death to throw off Time of Death. I say Michael Jackson real time of death is between 9am and 12pm....and the Parmedics rumors that "he was dead when they got there" are TRUE, there is a 4 hour window that Doctors CANNOT call time of death and the Doctors that really murdered Michael know this, they call at a certain time because thats the time LEGALLY they have to call it when brought into an Emergency Room.

The sad part that I feel is for the Fans who dont understand what has happened here. But for the so called Fans thats perpertrating and apart of this Conspiracy surfing the net under 10 different names same person and posting Negative, Riduclous Threads and Messages to sway these innocent loving Fans, we have a Prayer Group going that God have no MERCY on them because they are part of Michael's Murdered. Its time out for letting MURDERERS get AWAY with Murder wheter in a small Community, our Community or across this Nation, there are people trying to help Michael's Murderers get away with Murder but they want get away not this time, we are required by Law and God not to allow Murderers to get away with Murder, but some people have already sold their Soul and they know their End so they will do anything for Money. But we all will see Michael Jackson again and he will show and reveal to us exactly what happened to him on the morning of June 25, 2009 and it want be no ACCIDENT involved. I can tell from just reading the first line on a post those who are for Michael Jackson and really want the Truth and those who is against Michael Jackson and already know the Truth they are not hard to spot and recognize they may try to mix a little smpathy in the post but their overall message is, believe it was an Accident, SONY and AEG are GOOD Business People, The Executors are Good, Joe Jackson is Bad, like I said they know what they are doing but they shall reap the World Wind for It.

THe ONLY reason they used the PROPOFOL was to SUsTAIN his LIFE and let him LINGER BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH FOR HOURS, Michael didnt NEED ANYTHING TO HELP HIM SLEEP.
You have a link where this was posted?
 
Murray's life is in direct danger. If he starts talking it will simply speed things up.
Some "car accident" or "suicide" I guess.

yes he can't speak out against them because he is apart of them


I am very interested in this person's post about the paralytic drugs. I presented the info over to a medical professional, and recieved back quite an unusual response. And that's why I want to look into this a bit more.

please do its best to do research on things like that. I get so emotional when it comes to Mj death that was so wrong what they did to him
 
i saw a clip of them on telvision, and while they were mentioning the letters, they showed someone flipping through some lined paper with some writing on it.

...but then that could have been any letters?


I actually came across this regarding the notes - it is from tabloid, but they are the ones that had the deathbed photos:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/new...-magnet-for-miracles-Read-*****-messages.html

Michael Jackson: I'm a magnet for miracles


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By Tom Latchem and James Desborough, 13/09/2009
MYSTERIOUS messages written by Michael Jackson in his final hours - revealed today for the first time - show the singer's bizarre state of mind before his drug addiction killed him.

The News of the World has uncovered a series of "wishes for the world" which were left on the mirror in the tragic star's cluttered bathroom.
On Post-its notes and sheets of paper, they were scribbled as the doomed 50-year-old star tried to focus his mind on the daunting London tour dates ahead through a drug-induced haze.
In one the dazed singer even had to remind himself to include one of his BIGGEST HITS in the concerts.
Friends believe he was using the messages to gee himself up for rehearsals in the week of his death.
One said: "These notes show that Michael was positive until the last - but also what a mess his mind must have been as he fought to keep it all together towards the end."
NOTE NUMBER ONE: Stuck on the right of his gold-framed mirror with wall-mounted chandeliers either side, it read:
"I am so grateful that I am a magnet for miracles."
Pals believe it shows that ***** was already trying to seek help for his prescription drugs addiction.
The "magnet for miracles" phrase is used in US self-help programmes for recovering alcoholics to give them back self-esteem.
US author and talk show host Dr Joan Hangarter - who coined the phrase and wrote a book called The Miracle Makers Club - believes the more you say it to yourself the better your chances of making things go your way.
NOTE NUMBER TWO: Pinned to the bottom of the mirror where Jackson could see it as he made himself up, a message in large handwriting read: "Love, no violence ever!"
And underneath, in smaller handwriting, he had added:
"Remember a beautiful future promise of tomorrow."
A friend of ***** told us: "I think this reveals how positive Michael was until the last. He was such a sweet natured man who saw the good in everyone.
"The note about a beautiful future is especially sad as it shows how he was looking forward to a successful, happy life."
NOTE NUMBER THREE: An astonishing reminder is stuck above the "beautiful future" message on a sticky yellow post-it. It reads:
"Do We Are The World in show".
That's - a reference to the smash-hit charity single he recorded with 60-year-old soul legend Lionel Ritchie in 1985.
NOTE NUMBER FOUR: "Call Temperton" is scrawled on a blue Post-it note - referring to British songwriter and producer Rod Temperton, 62, who co-wrote several Jackson songs including Thriller and Rock With You.
Also in the bathroom is a business card for his business manager Dr Tohme Tohme to remind him of his phone number.
Our source said the last two notes revealed Jackson's frail state of mind.
"It's worrying that he had to write reminders about things as obvious as these while he was rehearsing for his tour. And he would have had Dr Thome's number in his phone - so why would he need the card?" said the source.
"But the drugs he was taking obviously had a huge impact on his mind and memory."
Near the mirror lay drawings he had been sent by a fan. And to one side was his electric razor, still plugged in, near a vase of white flowers.
Post-it notes previously uncovered in his bedroom reflected *****'s obsession with children. Stuck to a TV and an ornament by the bed, one read: "Children are sweet." Another said: "Children are innocent."
Near the bathroom is the guest bedroom where *****'s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray spent up to 25 minutes trying to resuscitate him - first on the bed, then on the rug-covered wooden floor - after the star was taken ill.
The revelation of the notes follows our bombshell picture of ***** on his deathbed at the rented mansion in North Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles.
The star was buried in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, California, in an evening funeral for close family on September 3.
And we can reveal that his Neverland ranch is set to be be turned into a Graceland-style memorial to him - even without his body - while the rest of the 2,800 acre grounds are carved up into separate plots to build exclusive new homes.
*****'s brother Jermaine is determined the plan should go ahead despite resistance from the rest of the family who want to ditch the place that was the scene of *****'s child abuse cases.
Jermaine also hopes to have an eternal flame burning there - inspired by John F Kennedy's grave in Arlington Cemetery in Washington.
A source close to the Jacksons said: "Jermaine is not giving up on the Neverland idea. It will have to a lot smaller than the original idea of using the whole site for tourists.
"At the moment plans are on the table to sell off the ranch in plots, and turn them into a luxury community."
"In the past residents have sneered at a Graceland for Michael as the roads in the area are not equipped to cope with huge traffic loads.
But with this plan the roads would be built on the new amended plots, and tourists would be ferried into local towns like Los Olivios and Santa Maria."
Bitter Jermaine has been outspoken about his upset at Michael's burial in LA - not Neverland.
But he still hopes that the King of Pop could be reburied at Neverland one day.
 
I was watching a movie last night on Lifetime. It was about a true story of a man murdering his wife and a doctor testified that he used some kind of procedure where you sit on one part of the victim's body while holding another part down and what it does is causes respiratory failure to the person. I was halfway sleep, sorry I can't remeber exact details and she said it was a technique used by some brothers in the 19th century or soemthing, Burke bothers or Burt brothers and its virtually untraceable. I thought of Michael but I caught the last part and I was going in and out. The movie is called Black Widower. It could be possible something was used to kill him that's untraceable, If anybody else could find anything out. I tried googling Burke brothers but got nothing.
 
I know this is really random, but it just came up in my head and now I have to share it.

I'm not sure if something mentioned this already BUT

I think they hired a CARDIOLOGIST on PURPOSE to administer the propofol. It wasn't that AEG couldn't find any other doctor like they say. Having a cardiologist was the ORIGINAL PLAN. That way, it would seem more like an "ACCIDENT."

sorry if this was already mentioned, i don't remember reading about it anywhere.
 
I know this is really random, but it just came up in my head and now I have to share it.

I'm not sure if something mentioned this already BUT

I think they hired a CARDIOLOGIST on PURPOSE to administer the propofol. It wasn't that AEG couldn't find any other doctor like they say. Having a cardiologist was the ORIGINAL PLAN. That way, it would seem more like an "ACCIDENT."

sorry if this was already mentioned, i don't remember reading about it anywhere.

Makes sense, especially if Michael did not have a regular cardiologist before. It's not an area of specialty you hire for general medical supervision, unless there's a known preexisting heart condition.
 
There was a video with Michael saying, "I'm not broke. I just wrote someone a check for 500 million dollars."

I can't find that video anymore. If someone can help find it and post it here, that would be very helpful.
 
There was a video with Michael saying, "I'm not broke. I just wrote someone a check for 500 million dollars."

I can't find that video anymore. If someone can help find it and post it here, that would be very helpful.

It was from Fox News at 2:05 :yes:


 
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