He seems to have been there because he supposedly routinely spent the night there. I feel he is a 'fall guy' of sorts as well ... or part of the smoke screen ... used like a pawn ... bought ... like a puppet.
we can only guess here. and wait I don't think its crazy at all. That's what I feel we all should do right here on this board. Create a matrix of relationships, outline what each entity stands to gain and the entity or person with the most to gain wins the prize of being the greatest suspect at least in my book. For instance, and I'm not suspecting him at this point but for instance, the owner of AEG is (according to that article posted about him by Cheribum) is a genius at parlaying business deals that give him leverage from one of his businesses directly feeding into another, and he is a billionaire because he garners gain upon gain by owning several businesses where each serves the interest of the other. I'll use this for example although don't quote me because I have to look back at that article in detail for accuracy but just as an example, related to MJ, I believe he owns AEG Live, AEG Worldwide, the movie theatre chain that will be showing the new MJ movie, the production company producing it also I believe, the Staples Center where rehearsals were being held, and maybe even a doctor named Conrad Murray, a nurse named Sherylynn (however u spell it) and a chef named Kai Chase just to name a few. That's just a loose example, not intended to be taken quite seriously but no, you're not alone in your thinking there. I'm surprised there's not a thread just for this kind of thing.exactly who would benefit? it's not necessarily the money. could be but not necessarily.
call me crazy but i've put a big piece of paper on my wall and just put down different names and connections between them. i don't believe that we will hear any truth at all in this case. it's not the trial, when you hear testimonies and first of all you've got Michael telling the truth.
but i believe that there is nothing in the world that "was in secret and won't become apparent one day"
can they track down the cell phone calls that Murray was doing when Michael was dead in the room?
Not crazy at all, not to me. I feel its easily likely. How many entrances and exits could a mansion have? Secret ones for that matter ... I mean WHY NOT. Everything we have so far makes no sense so we're left to our own devices.
There is a whiff of opportunism about Kai Chase and her cookbook, but just a whiff, and writing a cookbook isn't the worst thing anyone's ever done. She isn't hopping from show to show running Michael down, and her account gives us the most insight into what happened in the house that day.
Murray called for Prince and for security, who then called 911. The paramedics were there 3 minutes later, and the people downstairs formed a prayer circle. That makes sense rather than getting underfoot of the doctor and the EMTs, who presumably could do Michael more good than anyone else. There was no reason at that point why she would have suspected anything henky with the doctor.
I would absolutely not send a 12-year-old upstairs to see God knows what.
She wouldn't have been shocked, because she already knew there was a medical emergency. "Devastated" to learn that Michael didn't make it after all sounds about right, actually.
She actually has hopped from show to show just like a bunny rabbit.
no, she didn't call him a pedophile or anything but she certainly breeched the privacy rules that she knew full well he would have wanted protected. What he did from day to day and moment to moment in his every day life with his kids and all is something he kept very guarded and I have no doubt that she knew that. She knew that when she was hired she had to go through a privacy clearance process. And even if she hadn't, what ever happened to respect for the dead. Or the dead persons children and your personal relationship with them?
Well that certainly is the saving grace. That to me is like saying even though the tabloids camp out at his house, follow him everywhere he goes and make up lies about him, at least they catch some nice shots! Yay for us. We get to see nice shots while this man's life means nothing to these hounds.
Do you actually see a purpose in him calling Prince? For her not to say, "why don't you go see what's going on with your dad" doesn't strike you as strange?
Yes, after they finally received the call.
In itself a prayer circle is obviusly not a bad thing, however, I'm saying that if that occurred when the doc ran back upstairs which is what I got from the interview I saw of her, it strikes me as an unnatural thing to do considering you have no clue the nature of the emergency. None-the-less I'd be the last person to beat someone up for praying but I'd be the first person to beat someone up for using it as a cover up for scheming. If it was after the paramedics arrived it makes a little more sense.
True, however, and I'll say it again to make myself clearer, I'm talking about the natural human response. Its better to pass an accident on the highway without looking because it slows down traffic but a human being tends to do it regardless. Its that kind of thing that I'm referring to here.
I feel a normal person, when a grown man runs down a flight of stairs yelling for a 12 year old boy to come, along with yelling for security, she might have wondered if something weren't a bit abnormal about that. She tells the story as if it makes all the sense in the world and I would love to know why. I feel there is a good "reason" for it though. I feel its for a purpose that he did it that way and for her not to think it odd is odd to me. Everyone else wants to know why he was calling for Prince. Why not her? She was there. Paris was there too. Why Prince?
This doctor had (supposedly) been the family's doctor and (supposedly) knew them very well and had even (supposedly) treated the kids and was the authority at that moment. He yelled for Prince to come for a reason. Why second guess his authority in favor of fear?
Even when people have been ill for YEARS, it is still a feeling of "disbelief" when they finally pass. Its a natural part of experiencing loss. The person was just right here ... hours ago and now you're telling me they're gone? If she "prayed" she should have been expecting a good outcome anyway. Yes, I feel she definitely should have been shocked. Completely shocked.
Inasmuch as we will have to agree to disagree with all the preceeding, this is one thing I am somewhat with you on. Devestated as in dissappointed maybe. Not just straight sad. Along with shock comes dissapointment. She said she was "sad". She said it many times. Its appropriate to be sad, but she did not acknowledge the shock. That's all I'm pointing out. There's no way she saw him a few hours ago he's dead now and she's not shocked. I guess I don't agree with you on that either lol. Oh well. These discussions will hopefully stimulate truth to make its way to the surface.
Yeh, and she tells it like it makes so much sense to the point where interviewers don't even press her about it which really makes me start wondering how many of these media outlets this AEG mogul is in charge of. Maybe not many directly, but he is a billionaire with a lot of power. Just like with the allegations where Ruport Murdock was running the "show", its starting to look like the same thing and this mogul did buy a media outlet from Ruport Murdock some time ago so they just may be birds of a feather.
she says she was praying, "please let Mr. Jackson be alright". It seemed so disengenuous to me when she was talking about it. You are a full grown woman, the one in "the kitchen" (implying the one with the most authority of the women in the prayer circle .....so to speak "authority") and you are just as frazzled as the kids standing in a circle praying in this hectic, anxious way (as she expressed it when telling about it) instead of taking the lead and providing some kind of reassurance to the kids that everything is going to be alright. She had (ostensively) no reason not to think everything would be alright....afterall....(and I'll say it again) the last time she saw him he was fine, JUST YESTERDAY, last night even, right? She should have been expecting the very best outcome regardless to the emergency WHICH SHE DID NOT KNOW THE NATURE OF WHAT-SO-EVER, because it is human nature to imagine a person being exactly as you last saw them. OK, so let's say the paramedics are there, running up the stairs, creating a real "code red" type of atmosphere ... somebody has to keep cool with this man's children being right here. I don't know any adults (especially those so endearingly "good" with kids) who would not make comforting the kids the top priority. Again, to me its human nature.
well, she keeps telling the same story from TV show to TV show as if its scripted and in all those times its always been the same thing. He yelled for Prince and security and ran back upstairs.
hm I think I need to read that again to make sure I understand what you mean.
well, that's one explanation that at least makes some kind of sense. Would that have been Dr. Murray's reasoning? If so, it didn't have any rhyme or reason to it because Prince did not go with him, he did not try to insist Prince come, Michael was supposedly not dead .. its just all too crazy.
I knowi feel like in a nightmarish "fill in the gaps" game. sentences dont make any sense. and there are too many blank spaces.
It truly is.well, that's one explanation that at least makes some kind of sense. Would that have been Dr. Murray's reasoning? If so, it didn't have any rhyme or reason to it because Prince did not go with him, he did not try to insist Prince come, Michael was supposedly not dead .. its just all too crazy.
I know
just speculating here I did too at first but the more I see it repeated on different TV shows the less I believe it.Originally Posted by bowen9999
With regards to the chef's story - I believe her.
Its just too convenient though. This man has been upstairs with this man for at least 3 hours. He had plenty of time. Panic time had long passed 3 hours prior, at least.
I think you're saying Prince didn't go upstairs, right? The doctor according to the chef ran back up the stairs.
I would have agreed with the panic theory if it was possible he had just discovered MJ's condition but according to paramedics, MJ had been in bad shape for a good while. I think he did it because it had no real intention behind it. If he intended Prince to go with him he would have taken him with him or certainly put forth some action toward making that happen. As for the 'heir' thing, now see, I dunno lol Dr. Murray is a Southern American and I'm not sure that would have really been in his immediate frame of reference. Paris is only 1 year younger than Prince too and they were all very close. I feel that whatever Prince needed to see, Paris needed to see too.
If ever there was a time for her to break the rule of not being allowed upstairs, then would have been it.
I'm not really 'feelin' the "KIng is dead" theory only because again, I just can't see this black American having that as a very close frame of reference because although MJ was the King, and Prince is Prince, they are all Americans who's framework wasn't really shaped by the 'Royalty' theme as with some other cultures imho but ya never know. Michael read a LOT and so did his kids but as for Dr. Murray, who knows. I do not feel the overall theory is crazy at all though personally (if we're talking about the same thing that is). Hey, it (again) makes more sense than anything thus far as far as certain things fitting together or not. Do I feel its far fetched or crazy? No I dont, not actually. Anythings possible.number 2 is a crazy scenario from crime-movies. sorry i know it might sound crazy
2) this is a signal. "Get Prince" = "The king is dead" = "get everyone in the circle and pray. Paramedics are coming"
for example you want someone to escape the house. you know that on the way of this person will be a staff member that might notice this person leaving. if you get everyone in the circle and in one place of the house, means the way is free. but you need someone to gather people. how can you do it? tell them something that they would understand. like "get Prince".
just speculations guys :doh: i'm really sorry for this craziness
