MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro - Settlement reached

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

It's sad how Michael's own mother supports shady characters and works against his estate.


Doesn't she understand that it's not about the book?

Perhaps she supports the shady characters because those who are more honorable and intelligent than Mann would not be willing to get into these kind of things that directly oppose the Estate?
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Nothing would surprise me anymore, I just feel so sad for Michael.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Why does Katherine feel the need to "fight against" the Michael Jackson Estate? Why cannot the Jackson Family and the Michael Jackson Estate work together on ideas and products honoring Michael Jackson?
All I can understand is that Joe and Katherine and their children seem to think that moneys generated from Michael Jackson's intellectual properties should flow into the "Jackson Family Foundation" they set up. The problem is that is not what Michael Jackson stated he wanted to
happen in his will.

I really think Michael Jackson just wanted his 80+ year old mother to take care of his children, and for them not to have to worry about money, thus, he provided generously for them financially in his will.

If Katherine Jackson is still having money problems, then they are being generated by other members of her family, and I hope some other members of family with resources will step forward and assist.

If Michael Jackson's children, were adults I don't think Katherine would be trying so hard to get at the intellectual properties their father left them.

My prayer is that God will take care of Michael Jackson's children:
Prince, Paris, and Blanket, and I pray they are loved and well taken
care of by Katherine Jackson and the other members of the Jackson family who wish
to provide them love and guidance without exploitation. :angel:
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Perhaps she supports the shady characters because those who are more honorable and intelligent than Mann would not be willing to get into these kind of things that directly oppose the Estate?

The "more honorable and intelligent than Mann" recognize that MJ DESIGNATED who he wanted to oversee his name and likeness.

The estate IS MJ in effect. If he didn't allow Mann to profit off of him, the estate should not allow it either.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

The "more honorable and intelligent than Mann" recognize that MJ DESIGNATED who he wanted to oversee his name and likeness.

The estate IS MJ in effect. If he didn't allow Mann to profit off of him, the estate should not allow it either.

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying...Most people will not get involved in something when the estate will it down, I think Katherine may understand that and that's why the Shady characters are around in the first place, just a thought..I don't know maybe she is just naive about the whole thing, but I have a problem believing that nobody in her entire family or the estate have told her about his past.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

I don't know maybe she is just naive about the whole thing, but I have a problem believing that nobody in her entire family or the estate have told her about his past.
I wouldn't call it naive.

I mean, after that whole thing with the Korean's which left Joe, Katherine and Jermaine with a HUGE judgment, I would have thought that she (and they) would have learned their lesson.

Boy was I wrong!
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

and once again where are Katherine's adult kids watching out for their elderly mother?
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

and once again where are Katherine's adult kids watching out for their elderly mother?

I was just going to ask the same question.

I mean, IF she thinks this lawsuit is just about her book, then she OBVIOUSLY needs one of her adult children to come and not only explain the lawsuit to her, they also need to find a way to get their elderly mother away from Howard Mann.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

I was just going to ask the same question.

I mean, IF she thinks this lawsuit is just about her book, then she OBVIOUSLY needs one of her adult children to come and not only explain the lawsuit to her, they also need to find a way to get their elderly mother away from Howard Mann.

Exactly
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

Well yeah, that's what I'm saying...Most people will not get involved in something when the estate will it down, I think Katherine may understand that and that's why the Shady characters are around in the first place, just a thought..I don't know maybe she is just naive about the whole thing, but I have a problem believing that nobody in her entire family or the estate have told her about his past.

Oops, I did misunderstand your point of a view a little. Yeah, the shady characters come around because they don't care about legalities or anything else, just want to take advantage any way they can.

I think Katherine is coming from a couple of places in dealing with Mann. First, she thought since he legally had ownership of certain memorabilia, she thought by partnering with him, she would be able to reclaim the items or at least control his usage. And secondly, she wanted the extra cash.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

and once again where are Katherine's adult kids watching out for their elderly mothe
why would they.where do u think the money is going thats shes making from this.
 
elusive moonwalker;3211508 said:
why would they.where do u think the money is going thats shes making from this.


From what I have observed of the Jacksons over the last 19 months is that the majority of them are greedy, self-serving bastards.

It is harsh to say but to be blunt, but even if there was enough money to support all the brothers, Joe, and Katherine comfortably it still wouldn't be enough for them. They could had lived a good, carefree life just living on the royalties of their early career if they managed everything correctly. But no, they spurred their money, went with shady deals, and wasted their money away. Besides Janet, Tito, and Jackie to an extent, none of the brothers has nothing show from their lifetime in the biz.

Even if Janet did support her mother, it would just continue the BS Michael had to lived through his entire life. Namely, through supporting the mother that he loved, he supported that entire family. Katherine had more than enough to support herself and Michael's kids and had no business going into business with scum like Mann. Which is why I feel absolutely no sympathy for her and her, "my feeling is when they're suing Howard Mann they're suing me…because I authorized the book,".

Her butt deserves to be sued, especially since she has been forewarned and continued to act like she owns Michael's image. The same thing with the rest of the family that pulls this BS since the day Michael stopped breathing. They have been treating Michael like property whether than a living, breathing human and people wonder why the media and others treat Michael as such. How can you expect people to treat Michael like a human when his own flash and blood doesn't even bother.

Quite frankly, I don't blame Janet from getting as far away from this BS as possible. Money is an addiction in that family and it's time for someone to tell them no. The way that family has been acting is very much like a junkie in withdrawal. I wonder when they talked about Michael being in 'denial' if they're actually talking about themselves in their endless lust for money.

It's just sad.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

well said and she and rebbie had the gaul to call themselves J.W
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

lol true
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

well said and she and rebbie had the gaul to call themselves J.W


I think the real tragedy here is that at one time Michael was close to his family. The bond they formed when they were the J5 was real, as while as the unity they showed on stage and with their mother.

But in time, greed and the lust for power seemed to have destroyed Michael's family until only shadows remains. I can't help but wonder if Michael kept supporting them because he secretly blamed himself for what has happened. It was him that led them to the great success and that family's addiction to money and fame.

In some ways, I think that entire family would had been better off if they haven't made it. The majority of them were obviously never equip to handle money and fame.
 
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Im telling u none of them will make it thru armageddon

Funny..but true.

I think the real tragedy here is that at one time Michael was close to his family. The bond they formed when they were the J5 was real, as while as the unity they showed on stage and with their mother.

But in time, greed and the lust for power seemed to have destroyed Michael's family until only shadows remains. I can't help but wonder if Michael kept supporting them because he secretly blamed himself for what has happened. It was him that led them to the great success and that family's addiction to money and fame.

In some ways, I think that entire family would had been better off if they haven't made it. The majority of them were obviously never equip to handle money and fame.

They made it on the back of Michael Jackson...And he paid the highest price
 
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Funny..but true.



They made it on the back of Michael Jackson...And he paid the highest price
and yet they are ungrateful envious and hungry for more. They've been riding on his back since he was 5 years old until he was 50. And after that they started riding on his dead back for almost 2 years, no shame, no guilt, no conscience, no dignity, no morals, no nothing. Only the urge for more more more, more facetime, more money, it's despicable behavior displayed since day one.
 
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They made it on the back of Michael Jackson...And he paid the highest price


That was my point and Michael knew it too. What makes it worst is that he may of felt responsibility for all of it. Namely, the greed that rotted away at his family.

Michael paid, but he had the chance to enjoy his success, raise his family, and influence the world in a positive way. In exchange, what has most of the brothers done with their lives? In that way, they suffered more than Michael because he has something to show for his suffering besides child support, baby mamas, living with his parents, ect.
 
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I think it is so unfair that we cannot criticized Katherine and her limitless greed without being made out to be the ennemy.

Greed is greed....whether it is Jermaine, Randy or Katherine. It is damn time we stop sugarcoating her lack of respect for Michael.

Putting money above your dead son's wishes is tacky and despicable.

And that shows what kind of person she really is. And if Michael died still thinking she was a saint, I am glad for him.
 
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That was my point and Michael knew it too. What makes it worst is that he may of felt responsibility for all of it. Namely, the greed that rotted away at his family.

Michael paid, but he had the chance to enjoy his success, raise his family, and influence the world in a positive way. In exchange, what has most of the brothers done with their lives? In that way, they suffered more than Michael because he has something to show for his suffering besides child support, baby mamas, living with his parents, ect.
what did he enjoy? His last 15 years were miserable on this earth apart from his kids' birth's there was no joyous occasion, how did he get to enjoy himself? When he was the one who died young? He was given only 12 years with his oldest kid, and not even 10 with his last one.
His brothers 'suffered' because they werent able to keep it in their pants.
it was not michaels fault that his siblings were destined to fail. it was not his fault that they lost whatever money they had because they chose to live above their means.
his siblings enjoyed the luxury of decades long leeching while he paid the ultimate price for his success,
 
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

I think it is so unfair that we cannot criticized Katherine and her limitless greed without being made out to be the ennemy.

Greed is greed....whether it is Jermaine, Randy or Katherine. It is damn time we stop sugarcoating her lack of respect for Michael.

Putting money above your dead son's wishes is tacky and despicable.

And that shows what kind of person she really is. And if Michael died still thinking she was a saint, I am glad for him.
well he sees her true face now, all I care about are those children he left behind, except for them, there is no emotions left for any of them but total disgust.
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

I think it is so unfair that we cannot criticized Katherine and her limitless greed without being made out to be the ennemy.

Greed is greed....whether it is Jermaine, Randy or Katherine. It is damn time we stop sugarcoating her lack of respect for Michael.

Putting money above your dead son's wishes is tacky and despicable.

And that shows what kind of person she really is. And if Michael died still thinking she was a saint, I am glad for him.

I agree :agree:
 
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I wonder if Katherine Jackson even knows how DISGUSTED "some" of us fans are (myself included).

I mean, the merchandise she is trying to sell is geared towards Michael's fans and if "some" of us find the entire thing disgusting, she will sell nothing, or very close to nothing.

The object is to keep the CONSUMER happy at all times, she and her buddy Mann are doing the exact opposite, in my opinion.

If she doesn't already know, somebody needs to hip her to that fact!

I, personally, wouldn't purchase anything off of that website if I had all of the money in the world.
 
Ramona122003;3211549 said:
From what I have observed of the Jacksons over the last 19 months is that the majority of them are greedy, self-serving bastards.

It is harsh to say but to be blunt, but even if there was enough money to support all the brothers, Joe, and Katherine comfortably it still wouldn't be enough for them. They could had lived a good, carefree life just living on the royalties of their early career if they managed everything correctly. But no, they spurred their money, went with shady deals, and wasted their money away. Besides Janet, Tito, and Jackie to an extent, none of the brothers has nothing show from their lifetime in the biz.

Even if Janet did support her mother, it would just continue the BS Michael had to lived through his entire life. Namely, through supporting the mother that he loved, he supported that entire family. Katherine had more than enough to support herself and Michael's kids and had no business going into business with scum like Mann. Which is why I feel absolutely no sympathy for her and her, "my feeling is when they're suing Howard Mann they're suing me…because I authorized the book,".

Her butt deserves to be sued, especially since she has been forewarned and continued to act like she owns Michael's image. The same thing with the rest of the family that pulls this BS since the day Michael stopped breathing. They have been treating Michael like property whether than a living, breathing human and people wonder why the media and others treat Michael as such. How can you expect people to treat Michael like a human when his own flash and blood doesn't even bother.

Quite frankly, I don't blame Janet from getting as far away from this BS as possible. Money is an addiction in that family and it's time for someone to tell them no. The way that family has been acting is very much like a junkie in withdrawal. I wonder when they talked about Michael being in 'denial' if they're actually talking about themselves in their endless lust for money.

It's just sad.

I've been saying this for the longest. The public will follow the family's lead. Why they can't see that I can't figure out or maybe they do see it hence all the addict talk and this is their way to sway the public. But I can't get with the Janet thing. She is no different from her family to me. She's just not broke.
 
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what did he enjoy? His last 15 years were miserable on this earth apart from his kids' birth there was no joyjous occassion, how did he get to enjoy himself? When he was the one who died young? He was given only 12 years with his oldest kid, and not even 10 with his last one.
His brothers 'suffered' because they werent able to keep it in their pants.
it was not michaels fault that his siblings were destined to fail. it was not his fault that they lost whatever money they had because they chose to live above their means.
his siblings enjoyed the luxury of decades long leeching while he paid the ultimate price for his success,
youve got me in tears with that. so heartbreaking but so true
 
Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

When I saw this report this morning I was like, what the heck is Katherine thinking???? Michael Jackson made his wishes clear and even his own mother ought to respect that! nobody can't tell me that Michael did'nt envision members of his family getting involved with shady ass people after he passed, all in an attempt to profit from his name while touting their love for him. They just don't see it as fair that they can't profit from their own family member, when said family member made it clear he did'nt want them to.....Its just plain greed and its sickening!

I watched Katherine this morning and I just can't believe her other adult children are allowing her to represent herself like this, 'cause this is just plain wrong! How in God's name Katherine got entangled with Howard Mann in the first place is beyond me, where was the legal advisors? they all had to have known that the vultures would be circling.

When Howard Mann sues her, which he will......I will be the first to say, 'I told you so!' (and laughing while saying it too)

BTW.....she will be 81 this year, why put herself in situations that can only be stressful to her health, raising three kids should be all the stress she should want to have to deal with.

What the Jackson family did'nt dare do when Michael was alive, they should'nt dare do now that he's not here!
 
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann

The fact that she associates with porn producers is reason enough to be alarmed, considering that Michael's young children are around such shady characters.
Also I doubt any legal counselor was there when she made these shady dealings with Mann, binding minor children to a contract with a porn producer.
What was the name of her lawyer again? The one that seemed to be somehow reasonable? I doubt he is still around, seeing all this woman wants to do is capitalize on her dead son, despite having no rights at all.
 
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