MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

ivy;3340155 said:
At all times, I operated pursuant to an agreement between Michael Jackson and myself. I do not have a license of any kind to use Michael’s name and likeness or to do any of the acts I have been alleged to have committed because I am not a separate entity from Michael Jackson. I am perpetuating Michael Jackson’s own proprietary interests. One does not grant a license to himself.
She's gonna have to produce the AGREEMENT, proving that she and Michael are one and the same.

Seems to me, something that huge would need a PAPER contract and not word of mouth coming from a 2nd or 3rd hand party.

I'm sorry, but she sounds NOT all there, in my opinion.
 
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What? Huh? WTF? And this woman has been around Michael's kids? Ah I need booze
 
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After reading Johnson, mann and Oxman's statement, I feel so sick of them.
Jesus~~~These people are really greedy.
I have to say I support the estate 100% on this issue.
I hope Branca can take down all these leeches ASAP.
 
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What? Huh? WTF? And this woman has been around Michael's kids? Ah I need booze

That's what I'm saying also.

ESPECIALLY after it was quoted that she was talking about an ANGEL and/or SPIRIT telling her that she would be working along side Michael on the Heal The World Foundation.

This woman clearly does not need to be around Katherine Jackson OR Michael's 3-children.
 
ivy;3340155 said:
Read the exact quote

At all times, I operated pursuant to an agreement between Michael Jackson and myself. I do not have a license of any kind to use Michael’s name and likeness or to do any of the acts I have been alleged to have committed because I am not a separate entity from Michael Jackson. I am perpetuating Michael Jackson’s own proprietary interests. One does not grant a license to himself.

she also says that she "became a friend to Michael". Isn't it a little bit hard if you never met or spoke with him directly? (edit: I saw that she claims she met him - no details given- but her myspace page had listed Michael as a person she wanted to meet. and she never claims any direct communication with Michael she bases all communication to Michael's reps. so they met but never spoke then? ).

A new level of crazy...

What is it about Michael Jackson that keeps attracting these loonies?
 
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That's what I'm saying also.

ESPECIALLY after it was quoted that she was talking about an ANGEL and/or SPIRIT telling her that she would be working along side Michael on the Heal The World Foundation.

This woman clearly does not need to be around Katherine Jackson OR Michael's 3-children.

you should see the support of Mel Wilson from HTWF - he says she doesn't talk about that experience a lot, he mentions a tv show "psychic detectives" in which they solve the crimes with the help of spiritually inclined individuals and calls Michael spiritual as he had a spiritual advisor.

I believe many people have a form of a spiritual advisor in the form of a priest, rabbi, imam etc they know and communicate with but people rarely claim receiving messages from an angel.

and call me skeptical because I come from a religion that believes "messages from Angels" are limited to prophets.
 
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I am concerned that Katherine has/needs a "caregiver!" Not a "personal assistant," but a "caregiver." That's the first we've heard of that, isn't it? WHY does she have a "caregiver?" That does NOT bode well for Michael's children, and we really don't know the situation now, or her competency. Do we?

I fear she is now boxed into a terrible corner. If she signed the document with knowledge of what it contained, then she's back-peddling, FAST, most likely so as not to P.O. the estate that gives her MONEY. (Thus far, the estate has been lenient with her, but I'm sure the tolerance is wearing thin.) If she didn't sign it, then "someone" committed fraud in a criminal sense and took advantage of an elderly person. So, WHO did that? (we can imagine, can't we?) Or, if she signed a single page without the rest of the document being present, that is not astute nor aware in a very basic sense. Or if the document was present, and if she signed without reading it, that doesn't say a lot for her competency, either?

This seems to be a no-win situation for Katherine, that did NOT have to happen!
 
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whose head I wonder? HTWF lawyer is Vaccaro's old lawyer hired and paid by Mann. Mann supports HTWF because he wants them to win and hold on to the trademarks so that he can sell merchandise with that trademarks and make money.




I am also glad that Branca stays his ground. I felt like Mann and Johnson by adding Katherine as a witness for their lawsuits tried to corner Branca into dropping the lawsuits. and as a person that has asked for months 'Where's Streisand?" I too am happy that he's again on the scene.



Oxman are you reading the above quote? :)

I can't wait to see how they explain this one and whose head ends up under the bus as well. And we know Oxman doesn't care about a little thing like perjury and/or forgery. That's why Joe keeps him around, IMO. :)

It will be interesting to see how different the REAL Katherine Jackson declaration differs from the "fake"one. Time will tell on that. I just hope she reads it first to make sure what it says is what she means and knows to be true before signing her name to it.

Thanks, Ivy for the updates. I wasn't really keeping up with this case becuz it was always a hot mess production from day one as far as I was concerned but when forgeries and the possibility of someone committing perjury in a legal document (cuz they haven't really READ the FACTS someone ELSE is presenting on their behalf) raised a flag with me. Last thing I believe any of us want to see (regardless of how disgusted we are with how things are unfolding with MJ's fam) is Michael's mother involved in something that would get HER in a legal fix with the criminal courts...whether committed by her or some other shady soul. The rest of 'em (save for PP&B).....I don't give a friggity frack what they get themselves into, really.
 
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ivy;3340137 said:
Melissa Johnson Testimony

- If you wonder to what happened to donations "Every penny donated to Michael’s Charity has been used to capture domain names on Michael’s behalf, register trademarks on behalf of Michael Jackson, and for the sole purpose of following Michael’s directitives and wishes expressed to me during his life".

This is so fucked up!! I dont know how many people have donated to this organization and how much money they have gained from fans so far.. BUT that they have spent the money to this kind of bullshitt is outrageous.. is this HOW they claim to carry on MJs legacy by NOT donating money to charities???? How dare they use MJs name when she admits the money have been spent on domain names and trademarks!!!!!!!!

Michael is in the world guiness record book for donating $400 million from his own pocket.. they wanna carry on his legacy by keep on registering trademarks and what not.. they are tarnishing his good name.. this is a joke- god I wish and pray she will be shut down once and for all...

Reg Katherines statement where she claims she never signed that decklaration and its fraud LOL!! Isnt it sad (and funny) how they claim the will is fake.. but then their declaration that attacks Branca ends up being the fake one?!! Hahahaha...
 
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wendy2004;3339587 said:
I can imagine heads will roll. *see info at end of this post*




I tell you what, if she IS signing contracts and documents without reading them first it's about time to STOP doing that. However, I agree with the poster who said the document mimicks some of Mrs. Jacksons very own words in the past. So.....hmmm...imagine that.



If she finally wakes up and smells the coffee she will be in for another rude awakening. Why? Who do you think is going to come after her long and strong but Mann himself. They will be arguing the merits of that LIFELONG contract she signed til the cows come home. WHY? Cuz Mrs. Jackson, herself, has made not ONE but SEVERAL statements in support of her "work" or association and approval of Mann. It'll be kinda hard for her to do the whole "I'm an innocent victim who had NO idea of what I was doing". She has repeatedly said Mann was HELPING her. To feign ignorance now will not pass. Translation: She's in a BOTTLE OF PICKLES. But hey, it happens to the best of us, right?

Okay...now for the info about how and why heads could roll. Not only is the attorney's rep. on the line here for filing a "possibly" fraudulent document with the court, BUT, when whether Katherine is now changing her story or someone duped her into signing/forged her signature/did a switcheroo with the signature page....the gist is this...

When you file a declaration or affidavit with the court it explicitly states that you are telling the truth and agree that all facts stated on the document are true and correct to the best of your knowledge.

So if SHE is messing playing around with court docs. or someone in her camp is playing fast and loose with the paperwork, this is NOT A GAME. Fraudulent/tampered with declarations could result in a charge of PERJURY.

Here's a lil bit about the law in Cali about perjury...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]California Penal Code Section 118 defines Perjury as:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Every person who, having taken an oath that he or she will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly before any competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any of the cases in which the oath may by law of the State of California be administered, willfully and contrary to the oath, states as true any material matter which he or she knows to be false, and every person who testifies, declares, deposes, or certifies under penalty of perjury in any of the cases in which the testimony, declarations, depositions, or certification is permitted by law of the State of California under penalty of perjury and willfully states as true any material matter which he or she knows to be false, is guilty of perjury.”


Translation: Mrs. Jackson and her peeps need to GET IT TOGETHER... or leave it alone.

Seriously, they are going to mess around and end up on some other crap they had NO intentions of getting into. How far is this fackery gonna go? Does someone have to go to JAIL before this mess is put to an end? And over a defunct charity that Michael was no longer personally involved with??

Lawd the family could have started one of their own, from scratch. Or worked in tandem with legit charities that are already established and honorable who Michael contributed to consistently and had a good history with. Of course, no money will made by the fam cuz they aren't on the board of directors (no 20% fee...LOL) BUUUUT IF this is REALLY about charity and helping others, then that lil detail shouldn't be an issue, riiiiiight???????

It's good to see Branca holding his ground on this and Adam Streisand back in the picture. I think Streisand's name popping up is a good sign that MAYBE Mrs. Jacksons eyes are becoming unclouded. If she didn't do this, then WHOEVER around her who DID...is doing her no favors. People can play with the media and fans and whoever all the doodle day long with fackery...but don't play with the court.

Two words: Martha Stewart.



Edited to add: And I'm not only speaking about KJ here. It applies to anyone who had anything to do with duping her or pulling a switcheroo with the documents. Court docs. are nothing to play with. Pease knows this.
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ivy;3340155 said:
At all times, I operated pursuant to an agreement between Michael Jackson and myself. I do not have a license of any kind to use Michael’s name and likeness or to do any of the acts I have been alleged to have committed because I am not a separate entity from Michael Jackson. I am perpetuating Michael Jackson’s own proprietary interests. One does not grant a license to himself.

she also says that she "became a friend to Michael". Isn't it a little bit hard if you never met or spoke with him directly? (edit: I saw that she claims she met him - no details given- but her myspace page had listed Michael as a person she wanted to meet. and she never claims any direct communication with Michael she bases all communication to Michael's reps. so they met but never spoke then? ).

The entire quote makes it even worse... Maybe she met Michael and they mimed the agreement?
 
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crazy.

at least now we know their motive - 20% of Michael's money. Frankly speaking, I didn't expect them to be that impudent.
 
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What a hot mess. I do think KJ signed this (probably without reading it) and now after Streisand told her how wrong it all is, they are trying to safe face. The whole thing is just so ridiculous and sad.



I'm sure, the friends of Katherine and Joe, porn producers, vultures and stalkers, GONNA ADORE this statement from Streisand, that it's not Katherine who signed blablabla...


I want all of them in jail.

 
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crazy.

at least now we know their motive - 20% of Michael's money. Frankly speaking, I didn't expect them to be that impudent.


I did. Didn't even blink when I saw it was brought up in the court docs. It was sorta in the back of my mind as a possibility when first learning Katherine and Joe were on the Board of Directors and using Prince, Paris and Blanket to legitimize the organization in the public's eyes. But to see someone actually brought up the possibility of the charity receiving part of the 20% designation, I just kinda shook my head. Par for the course. The only that that made me go WTH for a nanosecond was to read that RANDY is in this mix. He'd been on Twitter talking against his parents and these "bad" associations. And looky here....HE'S one of them. LOLOLOL! Guess if you can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em...especially if they are getting PAID.

You know a lot of ppl like to say how Michael mentioned conspiracy being all around him. And I, for one, believed him. Still do. However, I feel we have to think about WHO was all around him AT THE TIME he said THAT. I remember exactly when it was. It was Easter Sunday 2005 during the interview with Jesse Jackson. Let's rewind and really think about it. That statement could be applied to not only the situation he was dealing with (the trial) but the situation he was dealing with in other matters. Possibly both...he didn't specify. Think about what we've now learned concerning ppl trying to FORCE him to sell his catalog and/or lock him into deals he didn't want to consent to; taking advantage of the position he was in financially at the time. These dealings didn't ALL involve strangers. Can we REALLY nail down ALL the people Michael was referring to when he made that statement? Do we really WANT to?? Hmmm....

Not to be off-topic but the whole idea that Randy is involved in this HTWF f*ckery (the brother "some fans" deemed as the only one genuinely concerned about things...even to the point of going against his parents and their lamebrained schemes) kinda threw me for a teeny minute. Shocking...but not really.
 
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she sounds like a crazy chick. i won't ever believe Michael would ever aprove of what this HTWF have been up to. i just feer for those kids. Michael tried his best to shelter them from all the madness but now it looks like they are in the middle of it
 
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randy ain't the genuine one but the dangerous one among them.
 
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Oxman of all person should know that verbal authorisation would not cut it?
How came there there is not one documentation to proof any of this crop?
Oxman has no shame, this woman is totally insane what are the jackson's thinking to aline themselves with those people.
So in 2005 while Mj was fighting his court case mrs Johnson wanted him to started a charity randy wanted him to sell ATV publishing and jearmine was plaining a nasty tell all book.
Well Mj must have devin help to fight all those people coming at him,
God must have intervene for MJ, he was right he was a true fighter, thay were attacking him from all angle, OMG I never see anything this strange happen to one human beaing alive and dead,
 
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Katherine Jackson's side of the table has lost ALL credibility at this point, in my opinion.

Regardless to which scenerio you choose, SOMEBODY was trying to pull a fast one on the Judge AND the Court.

Credibility is shot, if they had any to begin with, and it's just so EMBARRASSING, how the whole thing has played out thus far.

They thought Katherine Jackson was their ace-in-hole and then she comes out and says: I didn't say that!

Lord, you couldn't make this stuff up, if you tried. LOL!
 
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We do not curse or insult members on this board.

Give me a few minutes to sort out the issue.
 
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Fake declaration = JAIL

Gonna be great the future for these stupid people.

Btw, I'm James Brown.


:lol:
 
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God must have intervene for MJ, he was right he was a true fighter, thay were attacking him from all angle, OMG I never see anything this strange happen to one human beaing alive and dead,
everyone was after him. i can't believe how he dealt with the madness for so long. but he did, and he held his head high.
 
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Thank you Ivy, I appreciate it, please check you private messages.
 
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guys again please let's all stop attacks and cursing. This thread is about HTWF case.
 
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Yes, so about this wonderful fake charities, put in jail all the people who are in this fake thing, and the people who speak publicly for these vultures.

Can't believe there are 3 kids in the middle of this mess.

UNBELIEVABLE.
 
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guys again please let's all stop attacks and cursing. This thread is about HTWF case.

Sure but tell me again why a member like that is allowed to be here after all trashtalking she has done about MJJC and Gaz? She constantly retweets all the crap Asedora tweets on MJJC and has said not so nice things about this forum..
 
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Everyone who is running this fake organization and/or is linked to it directly or indirectly is a fraud.
 
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Sure but tell me again why a member like that is allowed to be here after all trashtalking she has done about MJJC and Gaz? She constantly retweets all the crap Asedora tweets on MJJC and has said not so nice things about this forum..

That's a decision for Gaz. It's over my authority.
 
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Sure but tell me again why a member like that is allowed to be here after all trashtalking she has done about MJJC and Gaz? She constantly retweets all the crap Asedora tweets on MJJC and has said not so nice things about this forum..
MJJC , Gaz and that lunytune Asedora aside, this is bigger, this is about Michael 'jackson why is someone like Taaj Maalik allowed to be on this fansite after everything's been made public and known?! THAT's something I do NOT get nor support. I'm here for Michael Jackson's sake only and people like Taaj Malik should NOT be allowed on this forum PERIOD. NO IF's, and BUT's about it.

With her being able to join the board who's gonna be next? Mr. Porn HowarD Mann? Luny Tune Melissa Johnson? Moron Oxman?! She shouldn't be allowed to be here. She is just like them, and shouldn't be allowed on this board, On top of all that they've got a has a history of badmouthing MJJC.
 
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Ivy I don't quite understand the 20% for charity. Is it a one time donation or 20% every year? Also how is the 20% amount determined. Is it how much the MJ estate is worth? I am sorry if this is a dumb question.

I love how the estate wants to make this an outstanding donation worthy of Michaels great heart.

I miss him so...:cry:
 
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