MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

[ivy]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Ivy, I know Autumn asked this queation but I am curious as well. Can the guardian ad litem do anything to protect these children? I mean their financial interests are potentially being affected here. I know that's not our only concern but is it the only one she can address?

I don't know for certain, but it seems like this is something she COULD address. Mann/Katherine are adversarial with the estate. With the estate, it's certain that the money will revert to the children when they come of age. With Mann's enterprises, and Katherine's, there is no guarantee at all that the children would see ANY of the revenues.

The guardian ad litem doesn't oversee their emotional well-being, or any kind of social-work types of things. She DOES oversee their financial well-being, and this fake (IMHO) charity does impact their finances. So, where IS she?

My understanding is that her duty is limited to making sure the Estate (Branca and McClain) is doing a good job for the children's benefit and future. She probably wouldn't have the authority to talk about under the table deals going on between Katherine - Mann - Johnson because she's a court appointed guardian ad litem for official probate of the Estate.

However if the executors of the estate is challenged any way I believe she can respond to that on children's behalf. (Remember when Joe wanted to remove the executors and that she was against it).

 

[StacyJ]

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Of course, it all about money. It's always is.

Katherine has really disappoint me...she is too far gone.

girl I agree.. It is just so awful.. Michael since the age of 4-5 years old has been a commodity to that woman and her husband.. I am even questioning her 'love' for MJ the man myself now. MJ was a dollar sign to her and that's it. The family's true colors are definitely showing now.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

JSanders tells TMZ ... he wants to work with MJ Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman to see if they can reach some sort of common ground.

Katherine and her people feel they haven't gotten enough dough, given that the Estate has made hundreds of millions of bucks since Michael's death.

For his part, Weitzman tells TMZ, "If Mr. Sanders is in fact Mrs. Jackson's new lawyer, I will be glad to talk to him."

Katherine AND HER PEOPLE feel THEY haven't gotten enough money. LOL!

If Michael would have wanted his mother's PEOPLE to receive any of his money, he would have said so in his will.

They are so GREEDY, they can't even wait for probate to be over.

Ivy, do you know what chance Katherine's new attorney has at "unlocking some of the money," or is that basically a done deal?

(Thanks for posting StacyJ.)

 

[Memefan]

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http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/15/kathe...-donations-executors-stole-accusations-money/


Katherine's New Lawyer to Estate: Let's Be Fair
13 minutes ago by TMZ Staff



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Katherine Jackson has just hired a lawyer to repair the damaged relationship with the Michael Jackson Estate ...trying to unlock some of the money the Estate is raking in and give it to MJ's mom.


Katherine hired Perry Sanders, a big time litigator who, among other things, was pivotal in securing the publishing rights for the proper owners against Master P and the No Limit Records catalog.

Sanders tells TMZ ... he wants to work with MJ Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman to see if they can reach some sort of common ground.

As TMZ first reported, the Estate is already paying Katherine $26,000 a month. In addition, the Estate has paid off the mortgage to the Jackson family home, bought her a car, hired a cook and paid for various vacations and other expenses.

Katherine and her people feel they haven't gotten enough dough, given that the Estate has made hundreds of millions of bucks since Michael's death.

For his part, Weitzman tells TMZ, "If Mr. Sanders is in fact Mrs. Jackson's new lawyer, I will be glad to talk to him."

I don't get it...the judge decided on how much her stipend should be. She should go to the judge. The executors already went above adn beyond, by giving her a loan against her future earning. That woman is simply despicable.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

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so who is paying the high price of big time lawyer Perry Sanders?

Katherine herself (out of the poor amount of money she gets from the estate)

or Howard Mann. Another point of leverage he will have over Katherine

 

[Memefan]

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so who is paying the high price of big time lawyer Perry Sanders?

Katherine herself (out of the poor amount of money she gets from the estate)

or Howard Mann. Another point of leverage he will have over Katherine

I would think the estate was paying Adam Streisand and the kids' guardian as well. So most likely this new guy will be on estate payroll ...Makes no sense to me.

 

[ginvid]

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I think the estate has put up with much of this nonsense for so long just because Katherine is MJ's mom. But I don't think they really want to see the estate actually getting down and dirty. But they just may be driven to that point in order to nip this in the bud once and for all. Then Katherine would really be sorry.

 

[marebear]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Has Michael's debts been paid off? I mean don't they understand that the money has to be used to paid off first and then it's still in probate. What's the rush?She is 80 years old and the kids are being looked after financially. It's looks greedy and ridiculous.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

cos it is greedy and ridiculous

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Has Michael's debts been paid off? I mean don't they understand that the money has to be used to paid off first and then it's still in probate. What's the rush?She is 80 years old and the kids are being looked after financially. It's looks greedy and ridiculous.

Yep, and it's not like she just wants the Estate to purchase something for her or pay a bill. She "apparently" is looking for a LARGE SUM of money so that she can divide it up between some OTHER members of the family.

Michael left his siblings out of his will, but it appears that his mother wants to change the FACT, and this is the way she plans on doing that.

And I totally agree with you: IT LOOKS GREEDY AND RIDICULOUS!

For almost two-years straight, all Michael's family (some members) have done is try and find a way to get more money out of the Estate. It's like their job now. They must go to bed at night and wake up in the morning, with the same thought pattern, day in and day out: i.e., how can we get more money from the Estate.

 

[CherubimII]

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so who is paying the high price of big time lawyer Perry Sanders?

Katherine herself (out of the poor amount of money she gets from the estate)

or Howard Mann. Another point of leverage he will have over Katherine

I agree with you.

Compared to other Americans, Michael Jackson made it possible for his parents and siblings
for the past 40+ years to live a "lush life" i.e. have more money than most other people.
If he hadn't worked so hard for Katherine and Joe and their children, maybe Michael Jackson would
still be alive, today.

All Michael is asking his 80+ year old mother to do now is look out for the well-being of his children, because he can no longer be with them.

Stop thinking about the money, Katherine,
and concentrate on parenting Michael's children.
In just 4 years Prince Michael will be 18 years old, and then you will be left wondering where the time went, while you were spending your time with lawyers.

I truly believe that Michael Jackson is aware of what is going on, and knows he made the right decisions, concerning protecting his wealth so it will go to his own children, and not the children and grandchildren of Katherine and Joe Jackson. :yes:

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

All Katherine had to do was raise his children and focus on that. The estate is taking of her and the kids like Michael wanted. She doesn't need to worry about money. The other Jacksons are grown ups and should take care of themselves. Where are Janet and the others? Don't they pay attention to their mother and her dealings? She shouldn't have to do dealings. When Prince and Paris become adults can they be Blanket's legal guardian and leave?

I've said the same thing over and over.. Why is a 81 year old grandmother wheeling and dealing with a porn producer while her grown a$$ kids just sit by and do nothing. One of these children of hers has money and she's just performing, laughing and giggling with her rich arab boyfriend. Why can't she help her mama? where is the intervention at? she claims they intervened for MJ why the hell aren't they intervening for their mother? Katherine is hanging around some shady folks and doing some shady things yet none of them care?

 

[missred07]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Is the new laywer news real? If it's real, I have to say it's really all about money.
Poor Michael, I can't believe his own family are doing this to him, especially Katherine.
I always feel the public were being too harsh to Jackson family saying they only use MJ as a cash machine.
Unfortunatly, it seemed to be true that his family really care more about money than him.
All of these are really nonsense and ridiculous.
1 year ago, I won't believe I will support the estate so much over Katherine.
SAD~~~

 

[Bridgett_361]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

So we are here feeling sorry for KJ and she want more money from the estate knowing the debt is huge and needed to pay off.
Some love she has for her son.

 

[marebear]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Yep, and it's not like she just wants the Estate to purchase something for her or pay a bill. She "apparently" is looking for a LARGE SUM of money so that she can divide it up between some OTHER members of the family.

Michael left his siblings out of his will, but it appears that his mother wants to change the FACT, and this is the way she plans on doing that.

And I totally agree with you: IT LOOKS GREEDY AND RIDICULOUS!

For almost two-years straight, all Michael's family (some members) have done is try and find a way to get more money out of the Estate. It's like their job now. They must go to bed at night and wake up in the morning, with the same thought pattern, day in and day out: i.e., how can we get more money from the Estate.

It's very sad and I am glad Michael made his will the way he did. He knew. I can only imagine the crap Michael had to deal with and being looked at like an ATM machine. He took care of the whole family enough and it is not his responisbility. I hope this constant scheming gets put to a stop. Michael's mother needs to respect what his will states and just be a grandmother and caregiver to those kids.

 

[StacyJ]

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yep that's what it's all about.. and it has been that way all of MJ's life.. They need to be fighting for justice and showing outrage at Dr Murray for killing MJ and while MJ was either dying or in a coma Murray was being a pimp and a mack daddy. Where is the outrage from MJ's family over that? Instead they are fighting the estate and hiring new money lawyers.. Pisses me off.. I have absolute no respect for those folks

 

[goldiee]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

For shame, for shame! I'm in a position with my own mother who's younger than Katherine and has had a stroke and can barely do anything for herself. I don't have MJ's money to put her in a mansion and pay for all these extras but Katherine has that and is still not satisfied.

Mother Jackson, for the love of all that's holy, please stop it. Instead of taking P,P and B to a homeless shelter, maybe you need to go to a senior citizens home or living center and see how some of your peers are living. Just sit down somewhere and count your blessings. Your family isn't living in the slums. Just stop it!

 

[Graf]

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Katherine and her people feel they haven't gotten enough dough, given that the Estate has made hundreds of millions of bucks since Michael's death.

Such pathetic greedy people. I take it her "people" is Mann and the other scumbags who want $ from Michael's estate. Shame on you Katherine for being so greedy and ungrateful..After everything Michael has done for her, she puts snakes ahead of his children.

 

[StacyJ]

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So we are here feeling sorry for KJ and she want more money from the estate knowing the debt is huge and needed to pay off.
Some love she has for her son.

not me.. I've never felt sorry for her.. she is and was an enabler.. I am still upset with her for allowing Joe to mentally and physically abuse Mike without doing anything about it and then is going to tell Oprah his nose looked like a toothpick..wtf??? maybe your parenting skills and Joe's teasing made MJ feel insecure. Did she ever think about that?

She needs to go and ask her youngest daughter for some cash.. she's working

 

[Diplomate]

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So we are here feeling sorry for KJ and she want more money from the estate knowing the debt is huge and needed to pay off.
Some love she has for her son.

Let's say the truth :

Katherine doesn't care about her money maker anymore, it's ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW.

M.O.N.E.Y

 

[marebear]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I don't want to think badly of his mother because Michael loved her so much. But it's hard to feel sorry for her when she so well taken care of and many of us would be thrilled to have what she has. It's really sad to all of this.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Let's say the truth :

Katherine doesn't care about her money maker anymore, it's ALL ABOUT MONEY NOW.

M.O.N.E.Y [/b]

It's not just Katherine but every person who's involved or not involved but thinks he or she has a right to get a slice of the pie...
It makes me sick! I realize much more now what MJ had to go through in his life...he could trust no one!
My heart bleeds for Prince, Paris, and Blanket. They didn't only lose their father but they will have such a hard life with all these fake people surrounding them. I hope they will find some true people..and I hope so much that they will always remember what their father taught them!

 

[JMie]

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smdh

I don't even know what to say at this point...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Has Michael's debts been paid off? I mean don't they understand that the money has to be used to paid off first and then it's still in probate. What's the rush?She is 80 years old and the kids are being looked after financially. It's looks greedy and ridiculous.

the rush is cause katherine is the only way the rest of the family are gonna get money. once she dies thats it.her money goes back to the kids and it will be difficult to get at it unlike it is now interms of her hadning out a few $ when they com asking

 

[marebear]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

the rush is cause katherine is the only way the rest of the family are gonna get money. once she dies thats it.her money goes back to the kids and it will be difficult to get at it unlike it is now interms of her hadning out a few $ when they com asking

That has come to my mind. Once she passes away it all goes back to the kids even her shares. Michael knew how his family would act.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I don't want to think badly of his mother because Michael loved her so much. But it's hard to feel sorry for her when she so well taken care of and many of us would be thrilled to have what she has. It's really sad to all of this.

Feel sorry for a woman who just want to steal the money of her 3 young grandkids and give it to her morons children and porn producers ?

Don't feel sorry for these people, they are the worst.

It's not just Katherine but every person who's involved or not involved but thinks he or she has a right to get a slice of the pie...
It makes me sick! I realize much more now what MJ had to go through in his life...he could trust no one!
My heart bleeds for Prince, Paris, and Blanket. They didn't only lose their father but they will have such a hard life with all these fake people surrounding them. I hope they will find some true people..and I hope so much that they will always remember what their father taught them!

They can check the MJ boards. They will read the real truth about their wonderful family :lol:

 

[maral]

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Did anybody here the NEW story that's going around?

Apparently Katherine Jackson has hired a NEW attorney.

This attorney wants to work with the Estate of Michael Jackson and their work revolves around, of course, getting MORE money for Katherine Jackson.

If this story is true, I'm sure it will turn up here shortly (I think - LOL).

always about money, isn't it? poor Michael, he can never be in peace

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

the rush is cause katherine is the only way the rest of the family are gonna get money. once she dies thats it.her money goes back to the kids and it will be difficult to get at it unlike it is now interms of her hadning out a few $ when they com asking

yep... once she's gone that's the end of the free hand outs..

 

[ilmjj]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!!! Some where on here is a statement from John Branca that the MJ Esatate has spent 9 MILLION dollars on the care of Katherine and the kids since Michael died. She now wants MORE?! Must be horrible living in those conditions...

 

[ivy]

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Minor update

As ordered by the court HTWF defense lawyers filed their final 200 evidence exhibits with the court. We can't see the evidence but can read descriptions.

Most of HTWF's evidence is emails between Johnson with Michael's managers, publicists and lawyers.


From descriptions we can see some interesting communications

- Al Malnik : Johnson was sending emails to Malnik 2-3 weeks before Michael's death about trademarks.

Food for thought: Don't you think this is quite interesting given that Malnik wasn't working with Michael for years?

- Michael Amir Williams : There's also several emails listed as being sent to Michael Amir Williams , Michael's assistant at the time of his death. Interestingly there's also an email to Van Alexander asking him to vouch for Melissa to Michael Amir Williams so that he wouldn't think that she's just another fan.

Food for thought : So Michael's own charity's sole director needs introduction?

- Van Alexander : There are emails from Melissa to Van Alexander asking for Michael's help with the cost of domains and asking Michael's active participation with charity.

Food for thought: I thought that Raymone Bain said that Michael wouldn't be responsible for expenses and that Oxman &Raymone Bain said that Michael wouldn't been giving attention to the charity.