MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

[Victory22]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Sure the kids are manupulated from their family. I`m sure at this time they think they had supported the charity of their father. And her grandmother says to them what good people are Melissa Johnson and Howard Mann and what bad guys are the executers.
So it will take time until they realize the games their family play but hopefully they will realize it and hopefully they will realize the good work of the executers to protect the legacy and the wishes of their father.

I think that one of the main reasons Michael fixed his Will so the children can't get control of his Estate and trademark until they are in their mid 30's is that he understood all to well how manipulative his family members are. He protected them from being cheated out of their inheritence in their 20's. Smart Michael. I am so proud of him. By the time the kids are old enough to control their money they will have seen the true and ugly side of the J's for themselves.

 

[Victory22]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Again their father has already commissioned two executors to do the job. No need to push the kids at the age of 21 (assuming that is what you mean by legal age). they also have a life and must focus on their youth. There is a reason why their father nominated some of the most competent people aka John Branca to ensure that his wishes are carried out and more importantly to serve and protect his legacy for the ultimate benefit of his children.

Amen to this post.

 

[twinklEE]

I think that one of the main reasons Michael fixed his Will so the children can't get control of his Estate and trademark until they are in their mid 30's is that he understood all to well how manipulative his family members are. He protected them from being cheated out of their inheritence in their 20's. Smart Michael. I am so proud of him. By the time the kids are old enough to control their money they will have seen the true and ugly side of the J's for themselves.

Amen to this

 

[maral]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I think that one of the main reasons Michael fixed his Will so the children can't get control of his Estate and trademark until they are in their mid 30's is that he understood all to well how manipulative his family members are. He protected them from being cheated out of their inheritence in their 20's. Smart Michael. I am so proud of him. By the time the kids are old enough to control their money they will have seen the true and ugly side of the J's for themselves.

bingo and Amen

 

[Memefan]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I think that one of the main reasons Michael fixed his Will so the children can't get control of his Estate and trademark until they are in their mid 30's is that he understood all to well how manipulative his family members are. He protected them from being cheated out of their inheritence in their 20's. Smart Michael. I am so proud of him. By the time the kids are old enough to control their money they will have seen the true and ugly side of the J's for themselves.

Ditto

.

 

[Annita]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

It`s not about Heal the world but also interesting.
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/sear...-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00+02:00&max-results=50

Old Projects VI: Go For Your Dreams
To continue this serie I picked up a barely known MJ charity, called "Go For Your Dreams".

The Go For Your Dreams Foundation has been establised on October 10th, 2003. It was a part of MJ's then plans, that some of his close associates shared since then: restart his carrier and make him more accessible for the people.

His comeback of course had to include some charity, as it was a part of his likeness. However Heal The World was already defunct at that time, and Heal The Kids failed also due to his relationship with Shmuley Boteach. So he had to pick up a new name and goals.

The charity has been announced on MJ's 45th public birthday in Los Angeles. Back then he said that he will launch it before the end of the year, and he would mostly not to sponsor others by financially but to help them to reach their goals. His expressed wish was to provide and support youth-oriented educational, charitable and health programs and activities.

It's barely known that MJ released branded bags and caps for the announcement of his new charity. Those items had been distributed amongst the fans whom appeared on the party.

While the charity was in the process of obtaining tax-exempt charitbable status, the 2003 scandals broke off. This meant the end of the majority of MJ's plans from that time, including this foundation. It wouldn't have any good PR afterall, neither MJ had any time to take care of this.

The only public event we know of this charity after the allegations is that MJ's custom made Bently that has been signed by the starts participating in "What More Can I Give" video, has been sold off to support this foundation. The auction has been cancelled once and held in early 2004.

Interesting that a foundation under the same name has been registered within Delaware in late 2006.

The foundation has been renewed early this year and now is managed by the Michael Jackson Estate. This either means some taxation issues or that the MJ Estate has plans with the charity. We will see it soon...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Thanks annita sounds intresting.looks like it could be started up again

 

[christy]

Again their father has already commissioned two executors to do the job. No need to push the kids at the age of 21 (assuming that is what you mean by legal age). they also have a life and must focus on their youth. There is a reason why their father nominated some of the most competent people aka John Branca to ensure that his wishes are carried out and more importantly to serve a
and protect his legacy for the ultimate benefit of his children.

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At least given the OPTION for the first right of refusal to sit on board.<o></o>
A choice to be an active beneficiary or passive.<o></o>
A right to a vote or veto-ing right puts you in active.<o></o>
MJ estate is no one-artiste one-man business entity.<o></o>
Just MJ&#8217;s half of the catalogue is worth 1.25 Billion<o></o>
It&#8217;s a corporate entity worthy of the best business practices the world has to offer.<o></o>
A right to give CHECK and BALANCE where good corporate governance dictates.<o></o>
An avenue to shut out the Henry Vocarros,(sp), the Howard Manns, the Dieters Wisners and keep the estate out of harm&#8217;s way.<o></o>
At age 30, Michael thinks they&#8217;ve ponied up enough money management savvy to earn them their first break and taste of financial inheritance.<o></o>
At age 30, they can decide where to designate their talent, their creative energy and time where it matters to them most.

 

[passy001]

At age 21 they have a legal CHOICE.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
At least given the OPTION for the first right of refusal to sit on board.<o></o>
A choice to be an active beneficiary or passive.<o></o>
A right to a vote or veto-ing right puts you in active.<o></o>
MJ estate is no one-artiste one-man business entity.<o></o>
Just MJ’s half of the catalogue is worth 1.25 Billion<o></o>
It’s a corporate entity worthy of the best business practices the world has to offer.<o></o>
A right to give CHECK and BALANCE where good corporate governance dictates.<o></o>
An avenue to shut out the Henry Vocarros,(sp), the Howard Manns, the Dieters Wisners and keep the estate out of harm’s way.<o></o>
At age 30, Michael thinks they’ve ponied up enough money management savvy to earn them their first break and taste of financial inheritance.<o></o>
At age 30, they can decide where to designate their talent, their creative energy and time where it matters to them most.

Please read this post below again. Some of you just can't seem to read for some reason.

Again their father has already commissioned two executors to do the job. No need to push the kids at the age of 21 (assuming that is what you mean by legal age). they also have a life and must focus on their youth. There is a reason why their father nominated some of the most competent people aka John Branca to ensure that his wishes are carried out and more importantly to serve and protect his legacy for the ultimate benefit of his children.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Mj also gave his kids certain powers/influence at certain ages to help get involved with the estate etc.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I think that one of the main reasons Michael fixed his Will so the children can't get control of his Estate and trademark until they are in their mid 30's is that he understood all to well how manipulative his family members are. He protected them from being cheated out of their inheritence in their 20's. Smart Michael. I am so proud of him. By the time the kids are old enough to control their money they will have seen the true and ugly side of the J's for themselves.

You said it all!!!!

 

[christy]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Please read this post below again. Some of you just can't seem to read for some reason.

Again their father has already commissioned two executors to do the job. No need to push the kids at the age of 21 (assuming that is what you mean by legal age). they also have a life and must focus on their youth. There is a reason why their father nominated some of the most competent people aka John Branca to ensure that his wishes are carried out and more importantly to serve and protect his legacy for the ultimate benefit of his children.

Even with hiring the most competent people /organization has to have CHECK & BALANCE that's why MJ gives his children power to participate. And there's no need to be rude and condescending. This is a discussion board where a free flow of ideas and opinions converge.

 

[christy]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Mj also gave his kids certain powers/influence at certain ages to help get involved with the estate etc.

Ditto. Exactly.

 

[passy001]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Even with hiring the most competent people /organization has to have CHECK & BALANCE that's why MJ gives his children power to participate.

Check and balance go both ways. and that notion is being enforced now as we speak. so yes they can participate personally in their 30s onward. but that is not the point of my argument. Au contraire the point is that they don't have to AND should not feel under pressure to do so especially if they lack any business acumen or are too preoccupied with their own careers. Please also keep in mind this: just because you're the owner of a business does not mean that you can manage it effectively or that you SHOULD participate in decision-making. In fact most economists recommend that the ownership stays clear of decision-making and instead delegates this responsibility to a leadership precisely for that reason.

And there's no need to be rude and condescending. This is a discussion board where a free flow of ideas and opinions converge.

I would rather not respond to this out of respect to this board.

 

[christy]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Check and balance go both ways. and that notion is being enforced now as we speak. so yes they can participate personally in their 30s onward.

Thank you .

but that is not the point of my argument. Au contraire the point is that they don't have to AND should not feel under pressure to do so especially if they lack any business acumen or are too preoccupied with their own careers.

Already been addressed. See previous post

At age 21 they have a legal CHOICE. At least given the OPTION for the first right of refusal to sit on board.

 

[passy001]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Matter of opinion

It's not an opinion, it's a well established fact in economics. and that's owed to the fact that most business owners lack the know-how to drive the business.

 

[windy09]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

All I can say that I am reading some interesting posts here. I sincerely hope the estate is finally taking steps to remove those who are greedy and who are only focused on their own best interest. Bravo MJ Estate!!! :clapping:

Also reading if Michael did state that his childen do not have true access to the estate until they are in their 30's, I think that is a very smart move. Michael knew without a doubt what would happen. He was very smart indeed. Bravo Michael!!! :cheers::wub:

 

[ivy]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

This is an update from Leslie at http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/06/melissa-johnson-tidbit.html

Melissa Johnson Tidbit
Melissa Johnson's new lawyer claims that the Michael Jackson Estate tried to "influence the previous attorney with monetary compensation". He furthermore says that Johnson's side will hire more attorneys who have great experience within intellectual propert cases.

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and let me add some more info to it

2 days ago a new lawyer filed a motion to be the new lawyer of HTWF. This is extremely important for HTWF because they cannot continue in this case without a lawyer and if they don't have a lawyer they would have a default judgement against them. The new lawyer is a personal injury and labor law lawyer that took an intellectual property class in law school so he's not really an expert in this matter. Like Leslie mentioned he says that HTWF is assembling a team of pro-bono and contingency lawyers that are expert in the area.

 

[passy001]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

This is an update from Leslie at http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/06/melissa-johnson-tidbit.html

Melissa Johnson Tidbit
Melissa Johnson's new lawyer claims that the Michael Jackson Estate tried to "influence the previous attorney with monetary compensation". He furthermore says that Johnson's side will hire more attorneys who have great experience within intellectual propert cases.

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and let me add some more info to it

2 days ago a new lawyer filed a motion to be the new lawyer of HTWF. This is extremely important for HTWF because they cannot continue in this case without a lawyer and if they don't have a lawyer they would have a default judgement against them. The new lawyer is a personal injury and labor law lawyer that took an intellectual property class in law school so he's not really an expert in this matter. Like Leslie mentioned he says that HTWF is assembling a team of pro-bono and contingency lawyers that are expert in the area.

I guess it's just a matter of time before he starts copying quotes from wikipaedia.

 

[Victory22]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I just hope the Estate stays on her case and drives her out of business. I don't trust her to be involved with anything MJ.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I guess it's just a matter of time before he starts copying quotes from wikipaedia.

:lol:

It's really pathetic this situation.

Anything for the MJ money

 

[Annita]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Will there be a hearing beforte the judge decides about the Settlement?

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

on JUne 14 10A.M.

 

[ilmjj]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

This is an update from Leslie at http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/06/melissa-johnson-tidbit.html

Melissa Johnson Tidbit
Melissa Johnson's new lawyer claims that the Michael Jackson Estate tried to "influence the previous attorney with monetary compensation". He furthermore says that Johnson's side will hire more attorneys who have great experience within intellectual propert cases.

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and let me add some more info to it

2 days ago a new lawyer filed a motion to be the new lawyer of HTWF. This is extremely important for HTWF because they cannot continue in this case without a lawyer and if they don't have a lawyer they would have a default judgement against them. The new lawyer is a personal injury and labor law lawyer that took an intellectual property class in law school so he's not really an expert in this matter. Like Leslie mentioned he says that HTWF is assembling a team of pro-bono and contingency lawyers that are expert in the area.

I don't think the estate needed to bribe anybody to win this case. Do you? They should have never accepted that so called settlement. I truly believe HTWF were stalling to gain time. Bums.

I am not sure I understand what pro-bono means? How will they get paid?

I am surprised any lawyers would even touch this case. Their new one sounds like an "ambulance chaser" kind of lawyer.

Can somebody give me an explanation of why Katherine is doing this? By all appearances she and the children are being taken care of extremely well. I think the estate has been doing a good job about being respectful to Michael. At least it isn't selling icecream and champagne...:doh:

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Melissa Johnson Tidbit
Melissa Johnson's new lawyer claims that the Michael Jackson Estate tried to "influence the previous attorney with monetary compensation". He furthermore says that Johnson's side will hire more attorneys who have great experience within intellectual propert cases.

claims of bribes now. talk about desperate.

 

[ivy]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

I don't think the estate needed to bribe anybody to win this case. Do you?

No. They had a really strong case.

When I evaluated the settlement news I said that it was possible that there would be some sort of compensation for costs. We knew that Melissa Johnson was to be transfer the trademarks , it just made sense that the Estate would compensate her for the costs of the trademarks.

Similarly it makes sense that Estate could have offered to pay her legal expenses. Why? Because she got the money for her legal expenses from Howard Mann in exchange for allowing him sell merchandise using her trademarks. So if per settlement she transfered the trademarks to the Estate , Howard Mann wouldn't be able to sell anything, Melissa wouldn't be able to satisfy her end of the contract and she'll most probably have to pay back Mann which means she would need money to repay Mann / pay her legal costs. So Estate might have offered her compensation for her legal costs as well.

They should have never accepted that so called settlement. I truly believe HTWF were stalling to gain time. Bums.

I agree. No financial compensation included in the settlement for the lawyer doesn't explain why Melissa signed the settlement and left the court all smiles and happy.

I am not sure I understand what pro-bono means? How will they get paid?

Pro-bono means "for the public good" and it's voluntary and free work. so pro-bono lawyers do not get paid, they volunteer.

Contingency lawyer means that a lawyer that is only paid if the lawyer wins the case.

I am surprised any lawyers would even touch this case. Their new one sounds like an "ambulance chaser" kind of lawyer.

"personal injury lawyer" gives that vibe, doesn't it?

Can somebody give me an explanation of why Katherine is doing this?

I think it's all about trademarks. If Melissa wins she can keep the trademarks. If she can keep the trademarks she can sell merchandise with those trademarks and make money.

By all appearances she and the children are being taken care of extremely well. I think the estate has been doing a good job about being respectful to Michael. At least it isn't selling icecream and champagne...:doh:

quoted for truth

 

[marc_vivien]

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new lawyer's website : http://www.cadogbites.com/

Ivy, could you check later if the estate objected to the declaration?

 

[qbee]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Can this get any more ridiculas

Attorney Scott Barbag
A Lawyer Devoted to Helping Dog Bite Victims

Scott Barbag is a California attorney dedicated to helping dog bite
victims in Los Angeles and the surround area with obtaining fair compensation
for their injuries. He is extremely knowledgeable about state and local laws
applicable to animal attacks.

Mr. Barbag graduated in the top 10 percent of his class while studying law at
the William and Mary School of Law in Williamsburg, Virginia. During his
undergraduate studies, Mr. Barbag was on the Dean's List during all eight of his
semesters at State University of New York University Center at Albany. He
graduated with summa cum laude honors while majoring in accounting and minoring
in economics and business administration

.

 

[Anniesnotokmj]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**

Can this get any more ridiculas

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:bugeyed:scratch::doh:

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Breaking News: HTWF rejects Settlement / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF **PAGE 76**