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Murray Trial- Day 13- October 19th Discussion

If I remember correctly Kai Chase testified during the prelim that Michael always ate the dinner when he got home. Which was why she was surprised to find the meal untouched on the morning of 25 June.
 
Keep in mind when Murray talked to White he gave a totally different story then the one he gave the cops. So different that the guy can't say what Murray told him
 
is this the last witness for the pros? I thought I heard that is was. ty
 
Shafer says the worst disasters occur in sedation, when people cut corners, for example in this specific case.
 
TheChosenOne said:
If I remember correctly Kai Chase testified during the prelim that Michael always ate the dinner when he got home. Which was why she was surprised to find the meal untouched on the morning of 25 June.
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I remember the same from the preliminary, but I don't think she mentioned it now.
 
MJ died because he stopped breathing.. that is expected when u give sedatives... and all it takes is just to have equipments to get MJ to breath again... thats all u need to do and there were no airway equipment... = violation standard of care

nice that the bag (on the floor) was present but no evidence that the bag was used to help MJ... why?? this is also a violation of standard of care
 
Anyone know why there is a delay to restart after lunch?

EDIT: I had to refresh my stream. It's on. Missed the first 15mins of the restart. Can someone give me an update as to whats been said so far since lunch?
 
a simple chin lift would have helped save his life if he had a competent observing doctor present :cry:
 
Shafer says ambubag was mentioned as being in the room but was never used. Mouth to mouth is inefficient and basically means you're giving expired air to the patient, which has less oxygen in it.
 
Michael tongue was blocking his airway...according to schafer.. more or less means he suffocated. :boohoo:
 
Walgren: Assuming Murray leaves Michael for 2 minutes and 2 minutes only, and returns to find Michael not breathing and if he'd had the proper airway equipment, would there be a chance of revival?

Dr. Shaffer: Yes, something as simple as a Chin Lift would be a move that would have saved Michael's Life.
 
twinklEE said:
a simple chin lift would have helped save his life if he had a competent observing doctor present :cry:
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xthunderx2 said:
Michael tongue was blocking his airway...according to schafer.. more or less means he suffocated. :boohoo:
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THIS IS SO fucked up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im so sad hearing this... so little to needed to be done to save him :(
 
4.09 gallons (!!!) of Propofol shipped... looks like we're heading for the "irrelevant" nurse's theory, yes?
 
Mentioning the amount of propofol purchased is an extraordinary amount for use on one patient.
 
Astounding amount of Propofol shipped for only one individual.
Does it have relevance in light of how long one can keep Propofol? Yes, once a needle has gone into a bottle, it has to be consumed in 6 hours. Why would anyone order 100 ml vials if (objection defense; overruled) they will not use it, it suggests usage.
 
The purchase of 100ml bottles of propofol suggests all of this was being used, because it's easy for bacteria to grow if the vial of propofol is left opened. This means large amounts of propofol would have been thrown away if not all of it was being used all the time.
 
One has to be ready to suction vomit; he has no indication that MJ was instructed to fast before; he was at a great risk of aspirating vomit. The lack of suctioning apparatus is catastrophic.
 
there was no infusionpump and without this u really cant control the propfool
 
Without an infusion pump, the rate of propofol delivery cannot be precisely controlled; the risk of an overdose is very high; the complication may be death. This likely contributed to the death of MJ.
 
Infusion lines have something called a roller clamp; when you roll it it controls the infusion rate; it is extremely imprecise. It is a plastic wheel and it was the only device CM had.
 
The failure to have an infusion pump was directly causative of MJ's death.

Pulseoximetry - violation of standard of care. The pulse oximeter didn't have an alarm, it was completely inappropriate. This is perhaps appropriate for a paramedic in an ambulance, but not for this type of monitoring as you have to pick it up and look at it. Explains how in the movie the monitoring beeps immediately when there is a problem.
 
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