Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[AliCat]

Eminem should testify because ""Had I got to the hospital about two hours later, I would have died," he said. "My organs were shutting down. My liver, kidneys, everything. They were gonna have to put me on dialysis, they didn't think I was gonna make it." All because he was abusing drugs.

Michael Jackson had strong organs when he died.

According to Schnoll's testimony as reported by the New York Daily News, the singer would have built up a strong tolerance to other pain medications had he been abusing the drugs. (and he wouldn't have had strong organs, his liver, kidneys, everything at time of death, just ask Eminem)!

 

[Tygger]

Dr. Matheson said the record shows Dr. Finkelstein didn't get the job because MJ wanted to bring his own physician.

Bubs, Dr. Matheson said this but, according Berman, Michael was never told by AEG that another doctor would do the job for a fraction of the price as per the below.

The expert said AEG was aware of another physician, Dr. Finkelstein, had been willing to take the position as MJ's doctor for $40k a month. Berman: If there was an alternative to Dr. Murray at a fraction of the price, it seems to me that information should've been passed on to MJ (ABC7)

He said he was troubled by the fact that another doctor had quoted a $10k per week price to care for Jackson on the tour. Berman said information about the other doctor should have been turned over to Jackson, but it wasn’t. (AP)

Was this exhibit talked here? http://www.psblaw.com/wp-content/upl...4-JB-16-21.pdf

Bubs, I spoke about this in this thread. As per Phillips in the email, Michael may have been inclined to do “something with the family in the future.” Branca warned Michael should not sign anything unless he or Katz reviewed it. Five days later, Michael was expected to sign the doctor’s contract without Branca or Katz reviewing it as no one on Michael’s legal team saw the doctor’s employment contract.

I think the EEOC guidelines being brought into the question of hiring and credit checks is interesting and puts a new spin on this (Panish got upset about this issue so he fears it IMO). Would Murray have had a fit and claimed discriminatory practices if AEG had asked him to ok a credit check??

Jamba, Panish was upset that this guideline was being presented erroneously as law by the defense and judge. The mistake was corrected before Dr. Schnoll’s testimony.

mistrial...

The judge was angry and rightfully so but, it was an error and there will be no mistrial. We already had two jury tampering attempts in favor of the defense and the judge (and jury) already heard 9 weeks of testimony. She is trying to prevent all of that effort going to waste and I appreciate that.

so I don't think I'll be coming back to this thread.

Bouee, please reconsider. The thread has close to 280 pages but, close to 180K views. This means others outside of MJJC members are reading this thread. I agree sometimes, it can get a bit contentious. However, whenever I want to discontinue posting, I remember there others reading the thread and they need to know there are two sides to this trial.

Bouee, look at this expert's testimony today. Dr. Schnoll gave very good testimony in favor of the plaintiffs. His testimony goes against the idea that some had that the family wanted to present their lost love one as a "raging, raving addict" in open court. That was never their intention; that was defense's idea.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Koskoff: Do you agree with that opinion?
Dr. Schnoll: No
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts
Koskoff asked if Dr. Schnoll read testimony from Dr. Earley saying MJ was a drug addict and that he was going to die early.

 

[loveforever]

There is no way Michael was healthier than people his age (according to the coroner) if he was the drug abuser. I never buy such stories because people lie but the evidence and science don't lie.

 

[crillon]

"During his testimony, Schnoll said he didn’t believe Michael was an addict who craved and used drugs recreationally. Rather he was a patient who developed an opioid dependence because of legitimate pain related to his burned scalp. He said plenty of celebrities have suffered opioid dependence, including President John F. Kennedy, who had debilitating back pain. Schnoll said Jackson even got a Narcan implant in his abdomen in 2003 that steadily released Naltrexone, a drug that blocks the euphoric effects of opioids."

Did anyone here know about this implant? Was this in the autopsy report?

 

[WillYouBeThere82]

This is good information to be confirmed about Michael's drug use. It seems to be pretty standard up till Murray.

Like someone said Michael's organs etc were good for his age. An addict I would think would show wear and detonation on certain organs ....

Of course the media won't report it this way... Even if they did , people will still ignore it and continue on about him being a "drug addict."

 

[wednesday]

"During his testimony, Schnoll said he didn’t believe Michael was an addict who craved and used drugs recreationally. Rather he was a patient who developed an opioid dependence because of legitimate pain related to his burned scalp. He said plenty of celebrities have suffered opioid dependence, including President John F. Kennedy, who had debilitating back pain. Schnoll said Jackson even got a Narcan implant in his abdomen in 2003 that steadily released Naltrexone, a drug that blocks the euphoric effects of opioids."

Did anyone here know about this implant? Was this in the autopsy report?

There is a thread in this forum which says that the chief coroner denied the existence of such an implant, but there could have been one before 2009.

 

[Bubs]

"During his testimony, Schnoll said he didn’t believe Michael was an addict who craved and used drugs recreationally. Rather he was a patient who developed an opioid dependence because of legitimate pain related to his burned scalp. He said plenty of celebrities have suffered opioid dependence, including President John F. Kennedy, who had debilitating back pain. Schnoll said Jackson even got a Narcan implant in his abdomen in 2003 that steadily released Naltrexone, a drug that blocks the euphoric effects of opioids."

Did anyone here know about this implant? Was this in the autopsy report?

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...chael-Jackson-s-body?highlight=narcan+implant

Also:
The reasoning is simple: A depot injection is one that stays in your system for as long as a month. If you’re tempted to use opiates, why bother since you won’t get high? Better still, a matchstick-sized implant (placed under your skin) of Probuphine – also naltrexone-based – can stay in place for up to six months. The implant is being examined by the FDA for clinical trials in early 2011.
http://drugrehabranch.crchealth.com/treatment-programs/depot-narcan-will-it-work/

I haven't heard any testimonies that there was more than 1 narcan implant inserted other than 1 in 2003, and if the info above is correct, it would've been up to 6 months MJ had it in and thats it. He didn't have when he died, and no other reports him having it more than once.

What happened to Putnam? Seems Stebbins Bina is there a lot. I think the judge is doing somewhat better at setting some boundaries. She is raising the possibility of a mistrial as a way to keep Panish in check. Good luck with that. I can't believe he asked the expert the very question the jury is supposed to decide!!!

I think they have "shared" responsibilities. Putnam will save his voice to when its AEG turn to bring in their side of the story. I noticed that Koskoff is handling all the medical testimonies from plaintiffs side, then again thats why he was brought in as his firm has expretize in that area.

 

[Bubs]

Bubs, Dr. Matheson said this but, according Berman, Michael was never told by AEG that another doctor would do the job for a fraction of the price as per the below.

The judge was angry and rightfully so but, it was an error and there will be no mistrial. We already had two jury tampering attempts in favor of the defense and the judge (and jury) already heard 9 weeks of testimony. She is trying to prevent all of that effort going to waste and I appreciate that.

Reply to first paragraph:
from Gongaware's testimony
“He came up to me and said he wanted to take Dr. Murray to London as his personal physician,” Paul Gongaware testified. When Gongaware suggested during the late April 2009 conversation it would be easier and cheaper to use an English doctor, Jackson vetoed the idea. Gongaware said Jackson told him, "'This is the machine. We have to take care of the machine.' I think what he meant was his brain could create it but his body had to deliver the show every night.” (LATimes)

" I'm not going to tell Michael Jackson who his doctor should be," Gongaware explained. (ABC7) "It wasn't my place to say who his doctor was going to be," Gongaware said. "It was his decision." (AP)

"Dr. Finkelstein, a friend of Gongaware, said a doctor should charge $10,000 a month for the tour work. But Dr. Finkelstein would've done it for free, since he was on the Dangerous tour before and had a lot of fun.(ABC7)"

Finkelstein said he would have done it for free, but Gonga didn't pass that information to MJ. Wonder why?
Maybe because he already tried to talk MJ that they could get cheaper doc in UK, but MJ said no, he wants his own doctor.
How many times do you think he should have gone to MJ and tell him there is doc that would do it for lesser money or for free? Maybe he just didn't bother going to MJ and tell because issue wasn't burning in his mind. He propably had tons of other things to do at that time, and didn't have time to concentrate whether MJ should or should be allowed to decide who was going to be his own doc.


"We already had two jury tampering attempts in favor of the defense"
Whats this is about, did I miss something?

Bouee, look at this expert's testimony today. Dr. Schnoll gave very good testimony in favor of the plaintiffs. His testimony goes against the idea that some had that the family wanted to present their lost love one as a "raging, raving addict" in open court. That was never their intention; that was defense's idea.

I know this was directed at bouee, but really have reply to this. Will you have a look at plaintiffs opening statement?

 

[Bubs]

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 8h
Katherine Jackson was present in court wearing a long periwinkle jacket and pearl earrings.

Now I know this tweeter is a woman, no man can know what colour is periwinkle

Overall, I have to say that plaintiffs are doing good job by explaining the reasons for many tabloid rumors over the years, like kids mask, MJ was good father, vitiligo, scalp burn, had to work since 5 years old etc, and now addiction specialist did a good job too.

Koskoff: Any evidence from any witness that MJ used Demerol outside the medical setting?
Dr. Schnoll: No
Koskoff: Was there a period of time when MJ used Demerol for scalp treatments?
Dr. Schnoll: Yes
Koskoff said based on the medical records in the last 16 years of MJ’s life, he was Demerol free for 13 1/2 years.
Koskoff asked if that was consistent with a drug addict. Dr. Schnoll answered no.

While I agree that this testimony was great for Michael, but unfortunately the underlying reason for this testimony plain old money. In case plaintiffs wins, the longer Michael had lived, the more money jurors might have awarded to K & kids.
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Dr. Schnoll said he saw no evidence that MJ ever used recreational drug or self-injected in the absence of a doctor.
The expert said he saw evidence MJ was afraid of needles; didn't take medications in excess of what was prescribed by doctors.

True and great for Michael.

Dr. Schnoll talked about Dr. Klein giving MJ 100mg doses of Demerol in 2008. He said from mid-year to December it was the same amount.
Dose went up in January 2009. Dr Schnoll said if a person was previously dependent on Demerol, stops and then resumes, tolerance is built up
Koskoff: Is there a record MJ was getting Demerol from any other doctor?
Dr. Schnoll: No

Again, great for Michael.
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Koskoff: Assuming AEG hired Dr. Murray, was he fit and competent to treat Michael's sleep problems?
Dr. Schnoll: No, he was not
Koskoff: Assuming AEG hired Dr. Murray, was he fit and competent to treat Michael's pain problems?
Dr. Schnoll: No, he was not

If I were defence I would have asked: assuming AEG didn't know Michael's sleep problem or pain issues, was CM fit to take care of MJ general health?
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Cahan asked if it's common practice to use Demerol for Botox injections and facial fillers treatment.

Treacy said that MJ has sensitive area around his nose so he needed something to block the pain. Stupid Klein was stuck on 70's and couldn't find any other painkiller while he was doing those cosmetic procedures to MJ.
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About Panish nearly causing mistrial :doh:
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Cahan asked about MJ's family failed interventions. He said he doesn't know if they were appropriately done; practice not used as much.

I wanted to hear more about family concertvention, or maybe I don't need to as this doc testified: practice not used as much Maybe he meant that Jacksons used unconventional interventions = concertventions and that is practice used as much, only in Jackson world
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Cahan asked if Dr. Schnoll reviewed testimony that MJ had boxes of Propofol at Neverland and asked a doctor to inject him. He said yes.

????

 

[serendipity]

Bubs, I spoke about this in this thread. As per Phillips in the email, Michael may have been inclined to do “something with the family in the future.” Branca warned Michael should not sign anything unless he or Katz reviewed it. Five days later, Michael was expected to sign the doctor’s contract without Branca or Katz reviewing it as no one on Michael’s legal team saw the doctor’s employment contract.

How do you know he wasn't going to sign it in his lawyers' presence after they have reviewed it?

I know this was directed at bouee, but really have reply to this. Will you have a look at plaintiffs opening statement?

Yea, a "chronic drug addict"

 

[marebear]

Am I reading right? A doctor looked at records and said he didn't believe that Michael was this crazy addict years leading up to his death? I almost fell out of my chair reading that. I never believed that Michael was this out of control addict.

 

[crillon]

Am I reading right? A doctor looked at records and said he didn't believe that Michael was this crazy addict years leading up to his death? I almost fell out of my chair reading that. I never believed that Michael was this out of control addict.

So good to hear (what we already knew in our hearts, at least) from a medical doctor, isn't it? He testified he reviewed 16 years' worth of medical records and said "Michael could have gone on to live a long, healthy life" were it not for the felon, Dr. Death (my words).

Here's a video report of his testimony:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9161332

 

[InvincibleMJ]

it's good news someone in this trial is not saying Michael was drug abuser, but I don't understand the plaintiff's claim now...

anyways, yeah I'm happy someone is finally making sense.

 

[ivy]

not drug addict means longer life expectancy and therefore higher damages

but then it goes against "AEG knew or should have known" claims, unless their argument will be "once an addict always need to suspect he could be an addict".

 

[Aquarius]

Ivy, you're right but the Doc also said Michael's major problems were insomnia & pain and "if MJ were treated appropriately for pain and sleeping problems, it would not have an effect in shortening his life."

And who's decision was to look for the appropriate treatment? I believe the decision had to be Michael's and not AEG. Michael knew which were his health problems and he was the one who had to look for the appropriate doctor. but unfortunately, he chose Conrad,

 

[Justthefacts]

AEG or not the family deserves nothing. Trying to throw Michael under a bus so they can get paid is wrong

 

[Petrarose]

I have only reached page 274 after coming back from vacation, but has anyone noticed that some of the words in Karen's e-mail about Michael behavior are duplicated in e-mails from Phillips? That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I read her email to Tookie.

Anyone noticed that Prince said Muarry told him Michael died in the house? Now Muarry kept telling the ambulance staff to keep working on Michael while pretending that Michael was still alive, and even claimed he felt a pulse.

It seems that the children may have ideas of Michael that may not be realistic, because Michael loves candy.

I have an uneasy feeling about Prince's testimony. Yes I know Michael's dying caused trauma and people forget details, but something is off. Why couldn't Prince say in a straight forward way that Randy came to the home 2 times and one time he pulled Muarry's arm? There should not be a conflict about whether the time he called his dad was the time the arm was pulled and the last time he spoke to his dad, because the last time he spoke to his dad and the pulling arm incident were 2 unusual incidents. People tend to remember the "strange/off/tragic incidents." So I don't understand this conflict. Also, what makes this strange is that this testimony is coming from an eloquent person who remembers minor details such as drinks, snacks, knowing he met Thome before, so why is the key parts of his testimony not clear?

I am wondering if Prince could not remember details and then in trying to remember and help his grandma, is inadvertently trying to make his testimony jell with the theory the family is painting. I do remember that one of Michael's siblings claimed that Randy was in the home the night Michael died, but nothing was done with that information.

Then we have Michael saying they are killing me, which I see as a statement that people generally make. I feel he was being told to come to rehearsals or to do some particular thing in regards to the rehearsals, which led him to make that statement. What Michael should have said was that "Muarry is killing me."

About the crying, I feel Michael cries easily, since he feels things deeply. I am wondering if he was already feeling overwhelmed because he had to deal with the lack of sleep and the symptoms, which made it difficult for him to rehearse at his best, so that when the person on the phone was screaming for him to show up he cried because he could not come out and say "exactly" what was going on with him. I really do not feel he was crying because someone was bullying him on the phone. I mean this is a grown man.

 

[Aquarius]

Petra, you were on vacation!! Hope you had a great time.

I must had skipped the part of what Conrad told Prince. Did Conrad told him Michael died while there were in the house or did he told him that at some other time?

I think Prince was confused and maybe a little nervous. And I agree, those two distinctive events are things that stay in your mind since they don't occur frequently. I don't want to believe he would say things just to accommodate Katherine but there was something in his testimony he said about Paris that confused me. I don't recall the exact question but there was a reference to Paris deposition about Grace. He said something like, that's what Paris said but they are/were together. Maybe I misinterpreted his words, but I felt as if he was detached. He could have said, she's repeating what she says my father told her. I just hope there's no emotional separation between Prince & Paris.

Grown men do cry; especially if they're as sensitive as Michael but I don't think it was just because he spoke to RP. Randy is a bully but I think it was the combination of his personal worries and his business responsibilities that brought him to the edge. It's sad that Prince had to watch it and that probably the reason he feels AEG/Randy is responsible for Michael's death. I think his emotions, the love for his father, are not let him see that Michael chose Conrad.

 

[Ashtanga]

Michael Jacksonapparently was clean and not abusing pain medication in the years leading up to his comeback tour deal with concert promoter AEG Live, a Connecticut doctor testified Wednesday.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...#ixzz2Y2fz9mDz
​

I never had any doubts about it. -_-

 

[loveforever]

Michael had suffered the pain and insomnia for more than two decades, when he died he was healthier than people his age. So it's save to say he would have the long life to live if Murray didnt kill him recklessly despite his pain and insomnia. if AEG wasn't being the asshole, disrespected Michael and pressured him ruthlessly, Michael's insomnia wouldn't worse to the point he had to force himself sleep in such way. There are so many contributing factors. AEG definitely have Michael's blood in their hands. This case is very unique and different from any other past negligent hiring cases. because AEG's involvement was clearly more than just the concert promoter and the artist or the company and the employee. The line is very blurry in this case.

( i don't care who wins but I do find this thread become one side voice. Prince's testimony is the only one I felt genuine and honest with no agenda. )

 

[Petrarose]

Aquarius ^^ I agree with your take on it. Prince said in the house.

Yes. I don't think Prince is intentionally lying here, but it seems someone put in his mind the idea that he has to do some damage control for Paris' statement. I am really just basing my feelings on what he said and the tone of his testimony, so I could be wrong. I feel the kids feel AEG caused their father's death and those feelings are influenced by what they were told by others. Further, hearing what AEG staff said and wrote about Michael would cause the children to resent some AEG people, and if some grown fans here want AEG to pay because they are nasty people, I can see children mixing up emotions and facts and also thinking AEG should pay as well.

I see that Panish forgot how they began the trial due to their journey all over the globe. What happened to the theory that Michael was a raging known drug addict since the 80s, that AEG should have known that, and that AEG should have seen a red flag in a private doc with debt and who did not have expertise in drug addiction (according to Dr. W)? So they bring experts before who show he was a drug addict and at the ninth hour decide to change their game plan and bring an expert who goes against what the other experts said? I hope Putnam is paying attention here.

How about the guardian not knowing about this case. The fact is the case was filed in 2010, but the idea and plans for the case took place before the case was filed. There were meetings with grown children like Randy and mother at the house. TJ visited the home where Katherine and the children lived. He knew about the case. Any Jackson who claims he did not know about the case is not going to be believable.

 

[ivy]

I hope you all saw this

ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts
Panish told the judge he's now estimating to finish his case in chief another week or so after the July 8th week, his last estimate.

so at least 2 more weeks of Jacksons case

 

[Tygger]

Reply to first paragraph:
from Gongaware's testimony
“He came up to me and said he wanted to take Dr. Murray to London as his personal physician,” Paul Gongaware testified. When Gongaware suggested during the late April 2009 conversation it would be easier and cheaper to use an English doctor, Jackson vetoed the idea. Gongaware said Jackson told him, "'This is the machine. We have to take care of the machine.' I think what he meant was his brain could create it but his body had to deliver the show every night.” (LATimes)

" I'm not going to tell Michael Jackson who his doctor should be," Gongaware explained. (ABC7) "It wasn't my place to say who his doctor was going to be," Gongaware said. "It was his decision." (AP)

"Dr. Finkelstein, a friend of Gongaware, said a doctor should charge $10,000 a month for the tour work. But Dr. Finkelstein would've done it for free, since he was on the Dangerous tour before and had a lot of fun.(ABC7)"

Finkelstein said he would have done it for free, but Gonga didn't pass that information to MJ. Wonder why?
Maybe because he already tried to talk MJ that they could get cheaper doc in UK, but MJ said no, he wants his own doctor.
How many times do you think he should have gone to MJ and tell him there is doc that would do it for lesser money or for free? Maybe he just didn't bother going to MJ and tell because issue wasn't burning in his mind. He propably had tons of other things to do at that time, and didn't have time to concentrate whether MJ should or should be allowed to decide who was going to be his own doc.

Bubs, I find it interesting that Gongaware can remember Michael wanting the doctor with clarity and the exact same "machine" line Phillips recants consistently but, cannot remember if the doctor was treating Michael for sleep issues.

"We already had two jury tampering attempts in favor of the defense"
Whats this is about, did I miss something?

A woman approached two alternates last week.

I know this was directed at bouee, but really have reply to this. Will you have a look at plaintiffs opening statement?

How do you know he wasn't going to sign it in his lawyers' presence after they have reviewed it?

Yea, a "chronic drug addict"

Serendipity, you are correct, I do not know if Michael was going to sign the contract with his lawyer(s) present. I seriously doubt it as the doctor was to hand it to Michael to sign.

Bubs, Serendipity, lay people interchange the words addiction and dependency. I have seen the plaintiffs say they will not deny that Michael had a dependency issue and was actively and consistently seeking help for it. The plaintiffs have maintained that stance and it was supported fully by Dr. Schnoll.

The addict theory was placed on the plaintffs by some fans and was presented in opening statements by the defense. Putnam said Michael was an addict, was secretive about his addiction, and could not receive help for his addiction because he may not have wanted it. Somehow Michael kept his addiction hidden from AEG but, not others.

 

[Bubs]

I have an uneasy feeling about Prince's testimony. Yes I know Michael's dying caused trauma and people forget details, but something is off. Why couldn't Prince say in a straight forward way that Randy came to the home 2 times and one time he pulled Muarry's arm? There should not be a conflict about whether the time he called his dad was the time the arm was pulled and the last time he spoke to his dad, because the last time he spoke to his dad and the pulling arm incident were 2 unusual incidents. People tend to remember the "strange/off/tragic incidents." So I don't understand this conflict. Also, what makes this strange is that this testimony is coming from an eloquent person who remembers minor details such as drinks, snacks, knowing he met Thome before, so why is the key parts of his testimony not clear?

Then we have Michael saying they are killing me, which I see as a statement that people generally make. I feel he was being told to come to rehearsals or to do some particular thing in regards to the rehearsals, which led him to make that statement.

Welcome back from holidays.

I got twice uneasy feeling during Prince's testimony. First one came from his testimony about PR being in the house, but then I thought maybe he just got dates mixed up in his mind, after all it has been 4 years and he was very young that time.

Second uneasy time came during his testimony about Paris and Grace.
Prince is asked about Grace and says she worked for them for 12 years and he’s shown pictures of the kids with Grace. He says Michael let them go out with Grace without him being present. Prince is asked if he saw Paris’s deposition video in which she did not say nice things about Grace. Prince says he saw the video.

Q do you know why Paris would do that?
A after the death of my dad, we each had our own difficulties dealing with it. She's having a hard time right now. But I just saw her with Grace the other day, and they were happy, so –

I find he reply very odd. Paris' deposition was earlier this year, he is saying she is having a hard time now? Was she having hard times then or what exactly is he saying here?? Why Grace is so important to portray in good light in this trial by plaintiffs, that they have to say Paris was having/ still has hard time when she said those things about Grace?

 

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[MJ*PP]

Bubs@ I must say all i do here is read but what you just mentioned about Prince saying what he said about Paris in PUBLIC seems a bit unfair to me (what Prince said but you just mentioned it) It looks like he is taking advantage of what has happened to her to twist her story so his will sound correct.

 

[AliCat]

When you have to read in Prince Jackson's testimony, that Randy Phillips reduced his father, Michael Jackson, to tears, I now conclude that Randy Phillips has been deduced down to the tyrant of Michael Jackson's youth, his father, Joe Jackson. I guess it is Katherine Jackson's way of sidestepping the issue of Michael Jackson's childhood!

 

[qbee]

"During his testimony, Schnoll said he didn’t believe Michael was an addict who craved and used drugs recreationally. Rather he was a patient who developed an opioid dependence because of legitimate pain related to his burned scalp. He said plenty of celebrities have suffered opioid dependence, including President John F. Kennedy, who had debilitating back pain. Schnoll said Jackson even got a Narcan implant in his abdomen in 2003 that steadily released Naltrexone, a drug that blocks the euphoric effects of opioids."

Did anyone here know about this implant? Was this in the autopsy report?

No they didn't mention one in the autopsy. From what I read the Narcan implant effects only last 30 days. You can have injections in the site to keep it active but it isn't something you would keep in your body for years ... Most likely it was removed once MJ felt he didn't need or want it any longer.

 

[MIST]

Witnesses are telling what they remember happened but memories are not facts.
I have thought I remembered exact what happened at some events but when I´ve talked to someone else who was there it didn´t happen exact what I can recall.
Some may be affected so they think they have memories of abuse that never happened.
It´s not easy to say exact what happened 4 years ago.

 

[Bubs]

@Tygger
"Bubs, I find it interesting that Gongaware can remember Michael wanting the doctor with clarity and the exact same "machine" line Phillips recants consistently but, cannot remember if the doctor was treating Michael for sleep issues."

There are many possibilities for that, it doesn't mean by default that they are lying
Memory is funny thing, we remember somethings from years back, but cannot remember certain things from yesterday.
I'll give you silly example, my mom told me years ago that if I eat pips from apples, an apple tree is going to grow from my stomach The image of apple tree growing from my stomach was so distictive that I remember that decades back, but I cannot remember did she say anything else from that day. To me it is believable that there could have been something distictive how or words MJ said to Gonga, so it stayed in his mind. As for Randy repeating the same words, maybe MJ indeed said the same thing to RP? What MJ said to Gonga was so distinctive that he rememembers it after 4 years, isn't is believable that RP remembers it too?

I quess you might find totally beliable that RP is lying, as much I find believable that TJ is lying when he says he only knew about trial 4 months ago.

About RP not remembering whether sleep issue was talked or not. I can find perfectly believable reason for it.
Maybe he wasn't concentrating on talk of lack of sleep (if there was a talk about it) as he seemed to be busy thinking what was wrong with MJ. He received reports of MJ needing therapist, psychologist, personal trainer, nutrionist, Klein possible medicating MJ, CM and MJ telling he is fine + all other issues involded around the show.


If you go back 4 years to your memory to certain time, try to remember every single word or even sentence what was said back then, I can quarantee you don't remember.



"A woman approached two alternates last week."
How did you draw conclusion that it was defences doing? How mistrial would benefit AEG?
If anything, it looks like plaintiffs job as they have previously leaked emails, they put the blame on AEG that they made up the claim that plaintiffs wanted $40 billion, when in fact it read in their court document, they accused AEG for putting kids on stand when they in fact called Prince on stand first. Sorry but I don't believe it was AEG's doing, sounds something that desparate people would do, and plaintiffs are so desparate that they twice offered settlement for AEG.

Or it could be just someone not related to either party that felt so strongly against Jacksons that she/he went for it.