oxman spreading his BS

[marc_vivien]

Conrad Murray Not Only One at Fault: Lawyer
Attorney for Joe Jackson, Michael Jackson's father, Says Others in Michael's Inner-Circle Also Responsible for His Death


(CBS) In Los Angeles Wednesday, Michael Jackson's doctor declared his innocence in court for the first time since the pop star's death.

CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that Murray, surrounded by attorneys, answered the charge against him: involuntary manslaughter.

Murray told the judge, "Your honor, I am an innocent man. I, therefore, plead not guilty."

But prosecutors call the evidence damning. The coroner blames Jackson's death on the powerful surgical anesthetic, Propofol. Murray admits administering the drug to help Jackson sleep, but denies giving a lethal dose.

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But could Murray be the only person held responsible for Jackson's death?

The lawyer for Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, asserted on "The Early Show" Wednesday that, in addition to Murray, others in Michael's inner-circle are culpable, as well.

Brian Oxman said, "The family had not been permitted to see Michael Jackson for more than a month-and-a-half. And the fact of the matter (is) that the (emergency medical) technician walked in and saw Michael Jackson looking like a hospice patient, someone who they were drugging to keep alive until he expired from a disease; everyone around Michael should have seen that this man is in dire circumstances. In fact, the autopsy shows he had brain swelling, he had pneumonia, bronchitis; he was anemic. Everyone around him should have known. And this is the point: There are other people who are responsible for Michael Jackson's death -- not just Conrad Murray. What we're going to hear Conrad Murray do is point the finger and say, 'It's them, them, them.' Well, it's all of them, including Conrad Murray."

Murray is scheduled to go to trial March 28. His attorneys say he wants to tell his side of the story and will not consider a plea deal.

At the preliminary hearing, Jackson's bodyguard, a paramedic and Murray's girlfriend testified Murray was on the phone and was frantic to clean up evidence of Propofol, and waited some 21 minutes before having bodyguard Alberto Alverez call 911 -- at one point ordering Alverez to get Jackson's children out of the room.

Carl Douglas, Alverez's attorney, said, "Paris came into the room and Paris yelled, 'Daddy, Daddy."'

CBS News legal analyst Lisa Bloom said, "Dr. Murray has a lot of explaining to do at trial. He has to explain why he was on the phone when he should have been helping his patient, Michael Jackson, why he asked people to hide some of the evidence, clean up the room."

But Murray told police Jackson begged for Propofol the day he died and threatened to cancel his comeback tour if he couldn't sleep. The defense has hinted it might argue Jackson injected the Propofol himself. Experts say that's tough to prove and could backfire.

Jim Moret, senior legal analyst, "Inside Edition," "You still have potential liability, because Conrad Murray shouldn't have left the room. Michael Jackson should have been monitored and he wasn't. And that's why he died."

Ed Chernoff, Murray's attorney, told reporters, "Dr. Murray is looking forward to the opportunity to finally tell his side of the story."

As for the Jackson family, Oxman told "Early Show" co-anchor Chris Wragge they're devastated by the accusation that Murray didn't inject Jackson with Propofol.

He said, "I talked to LaToya Jackson last night and she says, 'Brian, are they really going to say that Conrad Murray didn't do this? Is somebody really going to try and make that statement?' I said, 'Yeah, La Toya, that's exactly what we're going to hear.' And she just said, 'I can't believe that. I sat in that courtroom,' she said, 'There's no way that Conrad Murray isn't responsible for Michael Jackson's death.'"

He added, "There's no way in the world that Michael self-injected that drug. It causes numbing and causes you to go to sleep within about 15 to 20 seconds. You'd have to inject an entire vial of that drug in order to do it. He'd be asleep in a matter of seconds before he could finish the injection. Also, Propofol burns. If you don't mix it with Lidocaine, it is such a terrible burning sensation, he would have yanked the catheter right out of his leg before it got any more than a few grams into his body. The point is, the accusation Michael Jackson self-injected is nonsense."

But can the family endure the long trial that could result?

Oxman said, "I don't think anybody can be ready to endure that kind of thing. And I think that what it comes down to is they have to be ready. They have to do it. And they know that. Mrs. Jackson has spent more time in courtrooms with her family and with the cases which she's involved. This woman has a constitution of iron. She is absolutely amazing. She will be there, and she will make sure that this turns out right."

If convicted, Murray could face up to four years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main7285294.shtml

 

[StacyJ]

I hate Brian Oxman but in this case he's right.. Everyone in that house saw MJ and they all knew something wasn't right, but Murray is at fault. Mike's bodyguards should've thrown Murray out.. Also Oxman is right about the propofol.. At least he read up on it and he even knows MJ would not have been able to inject a whole vial into himself because he would've been knocked out before the entire thing was injected. It knocks you out in 15-20 seconds, how in the world could he self inject an entire vial?

 

[StacyJ]

{The family had not been permitted to see Michael Jackson for more than a month-and-a-half. }


If you think your son and brother needs saving you do everything in your power. They weren't permitted? what does that mean? They should've called the police if they felt MJ was in trouble

 

[classic]

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Brian Oxman said, "The family had not been permitted to see Michael Jackson for more than a month-and-a-half. And the fact of the matter (is) that the (emergency medical) technician walked in and saw Michael Jackson looking like a hospice patient, someone who they were drugging to keep alive until he expired from a disease; everyone around Michael should have seen that this man is in dire circumstances. In fact, the autopsy shows he had brain swelling, he had pneumonia, bronchitis; he was anemic. Everyone around him should have known. And this is the point: There are other people who are responsible for Michael Jackson's death -- not just Conrad Murray. What we're going to hear Conrad Murray do is point the finger and say, 'It's them, them, them.' Well, it's all of them, including Conrad Murray."

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I hate Brian Oxman but in this case he's right.. Everyone in that house saw MJ and they all knew something wasn't right, . . .

So, since his children were in that house also as well as saw and interacted with him everyday, are they to blame, too?

And I hope that people get their stories straight before the start of this trial and deliberations for some of the other lawsuits that have been filed (ex. against AEG). Michael reportedly attended a family get-together in May and his mother states that she visited him within the last couple of weeks of his life. So, how the heck was it that now family was kept away from him? And based on what has been said, Michael's appearance and behaviors should have been bad at the time of the family get-together; yet everyone kept mum at the time but has a lot to say now?

 

[StacyJ]

Also if MJ had pneumonia, bronchitis, brain swelling and anemia why in the hell didn't Murray detect all of that? He should be in trouble for being a personal physician and not detecting anything that was found in the autopsy.. What in the hell was wrong with this man? he wasn't aware MJ had pneumonia????

 

[StacyJ]

So, since his children were in that house also as well as saw and interacted with him everyday, are they to blame, too?

And I hope that people get their stories straight before the start of this trial and deliberations for some of the other lawsuits that have been filed (ex. against AEG). Michael reportedly attended a family get-together in May and his mother states that she visited him within the last couple of weeks of his life. So, how the heck was it that now family was kept away from him? And based on what has been said, Michael's appearance and behaviors should have been bad at the time of the family get-together; yet everyone kept mum at the time but has a lot to say now?

True.. Katherine said she saw him the week before he died.. Also I saw pics from that May family dinner and in my opinion MJ didn't look well at all. If I noticed, I'm quite sure his family did but they did absolutely nothing. Janet claims she and Mike joked and giggled that evening. She should've been intervening as she claimed she'd done in the past instead of joking and giggling.

 

[Big Apple2]

But could Murray be the only person held responsible for Jackson's death?

The lawyer for Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, asserted on "The Early Show" Wednesday that, in addition to Murray, others in Michael's inner-circle are culpable, as well.

Brian Oxman said, "The family had not been permitted to see Michael Jackson for more than a month-and-a-half. And the fact of the matter (is) that the (emergency medical) technician walked in and saw Michael Jackson looking like a hospice patient, someone who they were drugging to keep alive until he expired from a disease; everyone around Michael should have seen that this man is in dire circumstances. In fact, the autopsy shows he had brain swelling, he had pneumonia, bronchitis; he was anemic. Everyone around him should have known. And this is the point: There are other people who are responsible for Michael Jackson's death -- not just Conrad Murray. What we're going to hear Conrad Murray do is point the finger and say, 'It's them, them, them.' Well, it's all of them, including Conrad Murray."

He said, "I talked to LaToya Jackson last night

Oxman is an IDIOT! He needs to go sit down somewhere and if LaToya is taking counsel from him, she needs to go sit dowm somewhere also.

What the heck is the matter with these folks?

Here we are almost 2 years later and this fool is still talking about THE OTHERS. What OTHERS? If he and/or they are not prepared to name names then they all need to shut up.

Aside from the FACT that Katherine Jackson, by her own words, had seen Michael a week or so before he passed away. Apparently she wasn't bothered by what she saw.

And when was that family dinner they had in honor of Joe and Katherine's wedding anniversary. (Why a "couple" would be celebrating a wedding anniversary when they haven't resided together in a dog's age, is beyond me, but that's another story. LOL!)

Oxman is an idiot and his words only help Murray's defense, i.e. reasonable doubt.

I'm happy to say that Matt Lauer on The Today Show, interviewed T-Mez this morning and that is the interview that should be posted on this board, because T-Mez spoke the truth!

 

[twinklEE]

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[StacyJ]

Oxman is an IDIOT! He needs to go sit down somewhere and if LaToya is taking counsel from him, she needs to go sit dowm somewhere also.

What the heck is the matter with these folks?

Here we are almost 2 years later and this fool is still talking about THE OTHERS. What OTHERS? If he and/or they are not prepared to name names then they all need to shut up.

Aside from the FACT that Katherine Jackson, by her own words, had seen Michael a week or so before he passed away. Apparently she wasn't bothered by what she saw.

And when was that family dinner they had in honor of Joe and Katherine's wedding anniversary. (Why a "couple" would be celebrating a wedding anniversary when they haven't resided together in a dog's age, is beyond me, but that's another story. LOL!)

Oxman is an idiot and his words only help Murray's defense, i.e. reasonable doubt.

I'm happy to say that Matt Lauer on The Today Show, interviewed T-Mez this morning and that is the interview that should be posted on this board, because T-Mez spoke the truth!

What did T-Mez say??? come on Big Apple2, I wish you could post what he said on the board. I always love to hear T-Mez

 

[Big Apple2]

What did T-Mez say??? come on Big Apple2, I wish you could post what he said on the board. I always love to hear T-Mez

He said straight out that Murray IS GUILTY!

I'll listen to it again and try to post some of his comments.

You listen to Oxman on one hand and then you listen to T-Mez and man oh man, what a difference. LOL! T-Mez sticks to the facts as he knows them and does not point his finger at some UNKNOWN bad guy.

Oh one more thing I remember about T-Mez' interview. He mentioned all of the medical professionals he spoke to and how they ALL basically said that same thing about using Propofol in a home setting. They ALL agreed that it was unheard of and should never be done no matter what.

 

[StacyJ]

He said straight out that Murray IS GUILTY!

I'll listen to it again and try to post some of his comments.

You listen to Oxman on one hand and then you listen to T-Mez and man oh man, what a difference. LOL! T-Mez sticks to the facts as he knows them and does not point his finger at some UNKNOWN bad guy.

Oh one more thing I remember about T-Mez' interview. He mentioned all of the medical professionals he spoke to and how they ALL basically said that same thing about using Propofol in a home setting. They ALL agreed that it was unheard of and should never be done no matter what.

Exactly! No matter what and Murray knew this too that's why he was trying his best to hide it and not tell the EMTs/ER doctors what he did. I will bet you Murray and his team of crooks can't find any medical professionals who will say anything different either. If Murray was going to use it he should've took MJ to one of his medical practices and did it. At least he would've had proper equipment hopefully

 

[Big Apple2]

Oh and one more thing I just remembered.

This of course is not word-for-word, but T-Mez also said something like:

Murray was trying to attached himself to Michael to ENSURE that he (Murray) would be a part of that tour.

EDIT TO ADD:

T-Mez said: Clearly he ws trying to stay with Michael at any cost. He wanted to embark on this big tour.

He uses the word RECKLESS a lot.

All of the medical professional's he spoke to were SHOCKED that Murray would be using Propofol in a home setting.

T-Mez says that they will have to put Murray on the stand, but he doesn't think that will work because Murray is guilty.

You can't mess with T-Mez, he's such a professional. I totally love the guy! Homeboy ain't even trying to sugar-coat it or bit his tongue. He says very clearly that Murray is Guilty!

 

[virginia_woolf]

In fact, the autopsy shows he had brain swelling, he had pneumonia, bronchitis; he was anemic

1. Oxman is an idiot.
2. He's a liar too. What autopsy report did he read?

 

[hilliver]

I doubt that Murrey will testify, he will be crucified on cross examination, which is why I hope he does. I do believe a lot of people around Michael saw what was going on and didnt question it or intervene, but in the end Murrey brought the drug into the house and he injected it, the buck stops with him legally, but morally I think there are a number of people who could have helped Michael and didn't.

 

[xthunderx2]

Also if MJ had pneumonia, bronchitis, brain swelling and anemia why in the hell didn't Murray detect all of that? He should be in trouble for being a personal physician and not detecting anything that was found in the autopsy.. What in the hell was wrong with this man? he wasn't aware MJ had pneumonia????

although I often agree with your posts..this time I have to disagree with you. If you remember correctly on June25th Oxman was outside the hospital infront of all the cameras..calling Michael a drug addict...saying...he knew that it would come to this. Do you remember that? Also....I wish he read the autopsy report because he is making stuff up. The guy is a loudmouth loser.

 

[Sue1]

Thank God for T-MEZ! As for Oxman; an idiot and a liar is fair comment.

 

[xthunderx2]

I doubt that Murrey will testify, he will be crucified on cross examination, which is why I hope he does. I do believe a lot of people around Michael saw what was going on and didnt question it or intervene, but in the end Murrey brought the drug into the house and he injected it, the buck stops with him legally, but morally I think there are a number of people who could have helped Michael and didn't.

oh I pray to God that Murray gets on that stand..the pros wih tear him apart..if he thinks that him taking the stand will make people believe him ..he is soooo wrong....he has told so many lies I dont think HE would even recognizes the truth if it came and bit him on the ass.

 

[Krshna28]

Oxman just doesn't give a shit................

Joe has told him to find everyone connected to Michael and find a way of suing him/her............

Oxman isn't gonna complain if someone keeps paying him...........



A normal (loving) father would just focus everything he has to get justice for his son............but not Joe...........

 

[tofdel1]

1. Oxman is an idiot.
2. He's a liar too. What autopsy report did he read?

Ditto.



Jacksons are just looking for a paycheck.

 

[bluetopez]

What autopsy is Oxman reading? Seriously?! The only thing he got right was that MJ didn't self inject! The last time Katherine saw MJ she said he was fine! She said he was smiling and that's how she would like to remember him and it wasn't a month and half before he died that she last saw him the date was much closer to his death!

I just wish that some of these dumb reporters asking him questions would ask him where he is getting his info from? They need to start pulling out the autopsy and read to him what it says and pull out the Katherine interview where she says when she last saw him! And let's see how Oxman then respond?! lol

But, who am my kidding...? That would take responsible reporting and when it comes to Jackson they don't care! The more dirt and lies there is to tell they want it!

 

[8701girl]

A normal (loving) father would just focus everything he has to get justice for his son............but not Joe...........

Excatly!

 

[Petrarose]

So, since his children were in that house also as well as saw and interacted with him everyday, are they to blame, too?

And I hope that people get their stories straight before the start of this trial and deliberations for some of the other lawsuits that have been filed (ex. against AEG). Michael reportedly attended a family get-together in May and his mother states that she visited him within the last couple of weeks of his life. So, how the heck was it that now family was kept away from him? And based on what has been said, Michael's appearance and behaviors should have been bad at the time of the family get-together; yet everyone kept mum at the time but has a lot to say now?

Exactly. They need to get their stories straight--either you saw him recently or you did not. They cannot have it both ways, changing their stories to suit various lawsuits.
Next, can someone explain the autopsy to Axman? Either he does not understand it or he is talking about another "body."

 

[elusive moonwalker]

oxman has a lawsuit to win so hes pushing his agenda he did it on june 25th with a smile on his face and continues to do it to this day.. he needs to walk under a bus. his ramblings shouldnt even be posted on here. same old posters posting crap

 

[qbee]

Also if MJ had pneumonia, bronchitis, brain swelling and anemia why in the hell didn't Murray detect all of that? He should be in trouble for being a personal physician and not detecting anything that was found in the autopsy.. What in the hell was wrong with this man? he wasn't aware MJ had pneumonia????

Non of that was in the autposy Brian Oxman makes it up

Michael was NOT amemic and did not have pneumonia or bronchitis
or swelling of the brain from any illness _ The autopsy stated NO
such thing.

Why Brian lies I dont know _ but I cant stand him

Joe wasnt allowed to see Michael becuase he himself kept him at bay
becuase Joe was trying to pressure him as always into deals he wanted no part of
His mother was allowed to see him and stated she did so a few weeks before he died.

Oxman is a terrible Lawyer and has been PROVEN incompitent on every case so far
he doent know what he is speaking of and cant prove half it. He will also loose the AEG
case becuase most his facts are made up or wrong and the rest cant be proven

Why Jackson's use him I dont know
Tom Mez couldnt stand him and fired him from MJ defence team in 2005 and
issued a cease and disist order from Michael for Oxman not to do ANY interviews
on Michael's behalf during that time becuase he was a media Whore. He was
also stating stupid things on air that could potentially harm Michaels case.

 

[twinklEE]

Non of that was in the autposy Brian Oxman makes it up

Michael was NOT amemic and did not have pneumonia or bronchitis
or swelling of the brain from any illness _ The autopsy stated NO
such thing.

Why Brian lies I dont know _ but I cant stand him

Joe wasnt allowed to see Michael becuase he himself kept him at bay
becuase Joe was trying to pressure him as always into deals he wanted no part of
His mother was allowed to see him and stated she did so a few weeks before he died.

Oxman is a terrible Lawyer and has been PROVEN incompitent on every case so far
he doent know what he is speaking of and cant prove half it. He will also loose the AEG
case becuase most his facts are made up or wrong and the rest cant be proven

Why Jackson's use him I dont know
Tom Mez couldnt stand him and fired him from MJ defence team in 2005 and
issued a cease and disist order from Michael for Oxman not to do ANY interviews
on Michael's behalf during that time becuase he was a media Whore. He was
also stating stupid things on air that could potentially harm Michaels case.

now this pic speaks volumes :rollin:

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

In fact, the autopsy shows he had brain swelling, he had pneumonia, bronchitis; he was anemic

well I think oxman is saying things because he doesn't have medical knowledge or something..

the autopsy did say something about mild brain swelling, bronchiolitis, and pneumonitis.. (not bronchitis and pneumonia)

...BUT obviously I don't think it is serious like he trying to say because NOBODY ELSE has mentioned it at all.

here: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nu7fw7.jpg

On pg 23 it goes into more detail about the lungs & concludes:

(click to enlarge )

http://oi54.tinypic.com/fkqve0.jpg

Lupus maybe...?

Then from pg25 it goes into detail about the brain..it does describe the mild swelling of the brain, nthe folia whatever that is.. and also says something about calcification whatever that is.. and ends with:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/09/mj_autopsy.pdf

I don't know what the mild brain swelling is about but obviously NONE of that is anything to do with MJ's death, and all the EXPERTS WHO HAVE COMMENTED ON THE TV ABOUT THIS REPORT SAID MJ WAS HEALTHY! The experts in the report themselves say those things were not significant. Oxman is picking out words & probably without actual medical knowledge/advice & running with it. Murray killed MJ. End of.

 

[Ashtanga]

Non of that was in the autposy Brian Oxman makes it up

Michael was NOT amemic and did not have pneumonia or bronchitis
or swelling of the brain from any illness _ The autopsy stated NO
such thing.

Why Brian lies I dont know _ but I cant stand him

Joe wasnt allowed to see Michael becuase he himself kept him at bay
becuase Joe was trying to pressure him as always into deals he wanted no part of
His mother was allowed to see him and stated she did so a few weeks before he died.

Oxman is a terrible Lawyer and has been PROVEN incompitent on every case so far
he doent know what he is speaking of and cant prove half it. He will also loose the AEG
case becuase most his facts are made up or wrong and the rest cant be proven

Why Jackson's use him I dont know
Tom Mez couldnt stand him and fired him from MJ defence team in 2005 and
issued a cease and disist order from Michael for Oxman not to do ANY interviews
on Michael's behalf during that time becuase he was a media Whore. He was
also stating stupid things on air that could potentially harm Michaels case.

I love this picture! :evil: Oxman > uke:

 

[StacyJ]

Another issue... Oxman is saying that MJ was sick and had all of this wrong with him then where was his client? where was Joe when MJ was suffering from all of these ailments?

 

[pilinlim]

Another issue... Oxman is saying that MJ was sick and had all of this wrong with him then where was his client? where was Joe when MJ was suffering from all of these ailments?

Joe, being the head of the dynasty, the dorsal spine of the first family of music, was busy trying to save his beloved son from the evildoers who just wanted to exploit him! Those bad, meanie evildoers, AEG's people (you know, the ones with the billions...), used Murray (the penniless one...so let's shift the blame from him) for their dirty wrongdoind but Joseph was aware!!! He wanted to save his son from the drugs and the exploiters. They wanted his catalog. They conspired to exploit him and Joe, Leonard Rowe and Randy were there to try to save him. They realllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy tried. They realllllllllllly tried. They all loved him. They all triieeeedddd [credits go to Tyler Perry for the last 4 senteces].

Joe just wanted to save his son. Poor man. Can you believe there are people who aren't outraged by the way he was treated by Oprah? It's clear our most beloved savior, Joe, deserved more for his amazing heart and even more fantastical accomplishments [wins LOTS of consideration points with the moderators].

And let's not even talk about how Michael lied about his father! Joe gave him one or two pow pow on the nalgas because bad Michael wanted to join some gangs and he has the indecency of saying he was abused!? Joe went after Michael his entire life?! Joe abused Michael his entire life? As if it wasn't all in the name of L.O.V.E.!

Like Ginvid once said, Joe has a bad reputation because children are not like Cookie cutter and Michael dismissed the pow pow on the nalgas for wanting to join M13 as abuse! Can you imagine how hard it was to keep 5 year old Michael out of gangs? He had an eye for gangs, the meanie boy. Poor Joe. Being lied on by his son! Bad Michael. Bad! I bet it was the drugs! Poor Joe: he is now seen as abusive because his sensitive son (children are not like cookie cutter, remember?) exxagerated his tough-pow-pow-on-your-little-fluffy-nalga-for-having-an-eye-for-gangs love.

 

[StacyJ]

pilinlim,

I know you're being sarcastic but you are spot on...If Joe really tried he didn't do a damn enough.. As far as Tyler Perry, he needs to keep his nose out of folks business and stop believing Janet because she sure isn't telling the truth.