Revocation of Will?

[SexyMamaJo]

Yall got me thinking. Question, was MJ still friends with Malnik after the trial?

Strange PPB are hanging out with Malniks kids right after MJ's death. Did Malnik make a deal with Katherine that we don't know about? And yes, it makes sense that Joe is one challenging this will, he really has nothing to loose. Yall remember the article about TAJ (MJ's nephew) being allowed to sit at the table now, now why did the executors do that?

 

[riviera1992]

Yall got me thinking. Question, was MJ still friends with Malnik after the trial?

Strange PPB are hanging out with Malniks kids right after MJ's death. Did Malnik make a deal with Katherine that we don't know about? And yes, it makes sense that Joe is one challenging this will, he really has nothing to loose. Yall remember the article about TAJ (MJ's nephew) being allowed to sit at the table now, now why did the executors do that?

Malnik is discussed in this thread here (who are friends, who are not)

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81732&page=5

I posted this article about Malnik and MJ
http://tinyurl.com/ycgpgnl

 

[SexyMamaJo]

Malnik is discussed in this thread here (who are friends, who are not)

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81732&page=5

I posted this article about Malnik and MJ
http://tinyurl.com/ycgpgnl

Thanks.

 

[Maria MJ]

I wonder,is the will issue closed? or are they still looking into it?
If Mike had made a new will after 02 (and I believe he did, for the well known reasons) he must have deposited it in more than one safe places.
Yes, they were all malicious but he was smarter.No one on earth can convince me of the opposite.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I wonder,is the will issue closed? or are they still looking into it?

i think joe is appealing but other than that nothing

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Yall got me thinking. Question, was MJ still friends with Malnik after the trial?

Strange PPB are hanging out with Malniks kids right after MJ's death. Did Malnik make a deal with Katherine that we don't know about? And yes, it makes sense that Joe is one challenging this will, he really has nothing to loose. Yall remember the article about TAJ (MJ's nephew) being allowed to sit at the table now, now why did the executors do that?

i dont believe mj had contact with the malnicks after the trial. but of course we dont know for defo. yeah i find it abit dodgy they are back on the scene

the article re taj came from a dodgy tabloid and if it were true id presume documents would be filed with the court so we would know as they would be released. theres been nothing

 

[HemlockDevi]

The Will is a forgery not a fake. It was done to put "their man" John Branca in charge as "executor". This fight would remove John (leech) Branca from the MJJ Estate Trust. I wish Joe well!

This manages the Jackson's from talking freely( Just look at Katherine MJ's "mum" Mother) with MJ's billions(yes it's billions) under control the family mus dance to the murderers tune. Right now they are cashing in will greed overtake them only time will tell.

The story that Mike rehired him is a myth. In time you will see.

Attention: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Harlem community. Now that I have told you about the Historical way the Music Industry cheats their artists especially "black" artists; I must meet with my "dear friend" John Branca (who is a former SONY lawyer) and sign my "new" will giving total control of my entire estate over to him. He and SONY are my "friends" and my family is "bad".

 

[jrsfan]

Yall got me thinking. Question, was MJ still friends with Malnik after the trial?

Strange PPB are hanging out with Malniks kids right after MJ's death. Did Malnik make a deal with Katherine that we don't know about? And yes, it makes sense that Joe is one challenging this will, he really has nothing to loose. Yall remember the article about TAJ (MJ's nephew) being allowed to sit at the table now, now why did the executors do that?

I think Katherine & Joe did talk with the Malniks, & work something out. Malnik did claim to have a will & be the executor to more than one news outlet & then changed. I had first thought that he worked something out with Branca & Weitzman, as Branca, Malnik & Koppelman were trying during the trial to work out a deal on the ATV catalog, where he would sell at least part of it.

However since seeing the Malniks with PPB, it seems to me that probably Joe called Al & he agreed not to. Nancy & Al seem very family oriented, so it makes sense that way. Also Joe put in his filing that Branca reported Malnik to the feds - he can't be too happy about that. It makes me think Malnik must be clean at this point.

The Jacksons after working things out with the Malniks, probably figured all the other wills that Branca had would have been turned over after he had been fired & were probably just missing. I think that is why they had filed papers as intestate. They probably did expect another will to come forward as LaToya stated, since MJ was suspicious of Malnik.

 

[Serenity3104]

Hemlock, I read your post in the voice from "Unsolved Mysteries" for some strange reason lol, gave me a giggle. Back on topic, IF there is a recent will, I will go with the option that it has not been destroyed. For some strange reason, the criminally minded seem to keep "evidence." But alas, the only thing it will serve to prove the current will a fake/forgery is to cast a bit of doubt over Branca and crew, but as stated, all else stays the same. Not sure of my stance on this particular part yet.

 

[HemlockDevi]

Hemlock, I read your post in the voice from "Unsolved Mysteries" for some strange reason lol, gave me a giggle. Back on topic, IF there is a recent will, I will go with the option that it has not been destroyed. For some strange reason, the criminally minded seem to keep "evidence." But alas, the only thing it will serve to prove the current will a fake/forgery is to cast a bit of doubt over Branca and crew, but as stated, all else stays the same. Not sure of my stance on this particular part yet.

This could be the case. However the real issue (I think) is control. Right now Branca will give Sony and the other Hollywood Overlords anything they desire (cashing in on MJ-money train)from the MJJ Estate. Before he leaves Sony will have that 50% and the Estate will get and undervalued amount of paper(USD) in exchange. Of course Branca's (undisclosed & under the table) percentage will be massive.

Anything less than $3 billion is a fire sale.

 

[Maria MJ]

But Michael has very clearly stated that the catalog is NOT for sale.
Now that he is no longer here,the executors make the decisions.Wouldn't he suspect what would happen in case he was gone?
If he didn't update his 2002 will, is it possible that he secured his assets some other way where no one could touch them,including the executors?

 

[riviera1992]

I check the Probate Court records online from time to time, just to see what's happening with MJ's estate. Does anyone else do that? One thing I'm wondering about is this upcoming Hearing:

01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Revocation of Will

What will needs to be revoked and why?

Who will be the presiding judge? I'd like to do some research on him?

 

[Autumn II]

But Michael has very clearly stated that the catalog is NOT for sale.
Now that he is no longer here,the executors make the decisions.Wouldn't he suspect what would happen in case he was gone?
If he didn't update his 2002 will, is it possible that he secured his assets some other way where no one could touch them,including the executors?

Yes, the executors make the decisions. I would expect that whoever Michael chose as executor would have been someone he could trust not to sell the catalog.

There has been no mention of his having "secured assets" anywhere else. Everything he had is part of his estate. Including the catalog.

 

[TinaG]

Who will be the presiding judge? I'd like to do some research on him?

Looks like this court date has been pushed back:

01/28/2010 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
REVOCATION OF WILL

Judge is Mitchell L. Beckloff

 

[mj_forever]

if it's a choice between Branca and Malnik as executor of Michael's will, i'd go for Branca. i just feel that Malnik is scary. he even got Mike scared back then...wonder what happened since, and why they're socializing with the Jacksons again. i mean, the family supposedly knew about Michael wanting Malnik investigated. according to that article, the investigator even stayed at Encino before he was called to Neverland...oh, this tangled web

 

[riviera1992]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Records-showing-how-MJ-died-could-be-hidden-forever/568281

Records showing how MJ died could be hidden forever


Michael Jackson’s health records detailing his death could be hidden forever, according to sources.

The late King of Pop’s father Joe has been pressing on the singer’s estate administrators to make the medical reports public.

He apparently feels it will nail Jackson’s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray in his planned private lawsuit for wrongful death.

However, lawyers for Jackson's estate have filed a court motion to prevent Joe from getting hold of the autopsy, toxicology and hospital reports.

"If they get their way, how Michael died will be hidden forever," the News of the World quoted a close Jackson source as saying.

The issue may be raised in the court next month when Joe demands estate administrators to grant an allowance from his son’s fortune to fund his case against Dr Murray.
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So Joe will ask money to fund his suit to uncover the real Truth from the same people who killed MJ?

Can I bet anybody 100 bucks, he won't be granted anything.

The only good thing about this is, it's bringing the suspiscions back out to the public

and I think that's what Joe's counting on.

Fans should be showing up in drove at the court house to support Joe and demand the Truth. What are "they" trying to hide.
Is that group MJ truthnow can organize a sign waving gathering at the court house?

C'MON NOW LA fans, it's time for Michael's army of LOVE to march for the Truth. I'll send money for signs if needed.

 

[MJ#1WhoIsIt]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Records-showing-how-MJ-died-could-be-hidden-forever/568281

Records showing how MJ died could be hidden forever


Michael Jackson’s health records detailing his death could be hidden forever, according to sources.

The late King of Pop’s father Joe has been pressing on the singer’s estate administrators to make the medical reports public.

He apparently feels it will nail Jackson’s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray in his planned private lawsuit for wrongful death.

However, lawyers for Jackson's estate have filed a court motion to prevent Joe from getting hold of the autopsy, toxicology and hospital reports.
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Can I bet anybody 100 bucks, he won't be granted anything.

The only good thing about this is, it's bringing the suspiscions back out to the public

and I think that's what Joe's counting on.

Fans should be showing up in drove at the court house to support Joe and demand the Truth. What are "they" trying to hide.
Is that group MJ truthnow can organize a sign waving gathering at the court house?

C'MON NOW LA fans, it's time for Michael's army of LOVE to march for the Truth. I'll send money for signs if needed.

Well shuks after reading this "Why would The ESTATE not want A Father to KNOW how thier Child was Murdered " ? Are you kidding me this is insane WTF ! ! ! and I bet the Courts will tell those Parents "How their Son was Murdered".

 

[funkyfish]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Records-showing-how-MJ-died-could-be-hidden-forever/568281


The late King of Pop’s father Joe has been pressing on the singer’s estate administrators to make the medical reports public.

He apparently feels it will nail Jackson’s personal physician Dr Conrad Murray in his planned private lawsuit for wrongful death.

However, lawyers for Jackson's estate have filed a court motion to prevent Joe from getting hold of the autopsy, toxicology and hospital reports.

[/IMG]

Can I bet anybody 100 bucks, he won't be granted anything.

The only good thing about this is, it's bringing the suspiscions back out to the public

and I think that's what Joe's counting on.

Fans should be showing up in drove at the court house to support Joe and demand the Truth. What are "they" trying to hide.
Is that group MJ truthnow can organize a sign waving gathering at the court house?

C'MON NOW LA fans, it's time for Michael's army of LOVE to march for the Truth. I'll send money for signs if needed.

It says the estate wants to prevent the medical records being made public, which i can understand. But I Also think , that joe himself should be able to look at them.

 

[Maria MJ]

Exactly! The father of the deceased is not the public! He has every right to know how his son died.

 

[Rockin.]

if it's a choice between Branca and Malnik as executor of Michael's will, i'd go for Branca. i just feel that Malnik is scary. he even got Mike scared back then...wonder what happened since, and why they're socializing with the Jacksons again. i mean, the family supposedly knew about Michael wanting Malnik investigated. according to that article, the investigator even stayed at Encino before he was called to Neverland...oh, this tangled web

Michael investigated Branca too though.

 

[ivy]

Well shuks after reading this "Why would The ESTATE not want A Father to KNOW how thier Child was Murdered " ? Are you kidding me this is insane WTF ! ! ! and I bet the Courts will tell those Parents "How their Son was Murdered".

It says the estate wants to prevent the medical records being made public, which i can understand. But I Also think , that joe himself should be able to look at them.

Exactly! The father of the deceased is not the public! He has every right to know how his son died.

Remember family also had a separate private autopsy done. So the family and Joe should already know what had happened. They already have their own private autopsy results to look at. To me this looks just like a way to try to get everything public.

Michael investigated Branca too though.

In which Branca came out clean.

 

[Rockin.]

In which Branca came out clean.

I'm not against Branca, I'm just saying.

 

[earth child]

In which Branca came out clean.

Please explain if I am wrong about this but I don't think Branca came out "clean".
There just wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty?

 

[ivy]

Please explain if I am wrong about this but I don't think Branca came out "clean".
There just wasn't enough evidence to prove he was guilty?

It's said that Michael fired Branca as David Geffen was saying bad things about him. and Later he hired Bert Fields again by the suggestion of Geffen. I guess the documents filed also shows that there wasn't any evidence about the truth of these things against Branca- mainly because it was all lies to start with. Later on Michael found out that Geffen was talking behind his back and asked Branca to return. Mainly things said about Branca was not true, it was just a plot to get MJ to fire him and take his position in Michael's business deals. Also Bert Fields was representing Sony in some other legal matters (some people think it was Branca but it was actually Fields who was working with both Michael and Sony). So Branca was rehired.

Branca himself resigned after the trial saying that Michael was surrounded by shady people that controls his business. And looking back wouldn't you agree with him?

 

[kasume]

Joe, you keep fighting for the truth. As strange as it seems, we are with you this time.

Here are some words from Dr. Firpo Carr's recent article.

Michael Jackson's father has launched a bid to seek more information about his son's death, which has infuriated the King of Pop's estate managers.

Estate Attorneys Object?: In a very odd and highly unusual twist it appears that the Executors and Special Administrators of the Estate of Michael Jackson are not at all pleased with the Jackson Family's interest in simply knowing the details of the death of its most famous member. The news source quoted above continues: "Those in charge of the King of Pop's estate are far from happy with the move. Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman has called the subpoenas ‘clearly improper' in a letter to Oxman...Weitzman claims the subpoenas violate Jackson's right of privacy and the physician/patient privilege." This is seen as a self-condemning bogus objection to the familial responsibility exercised by the Jackson Family in its desire to uncover the whole truth in connection with details associated with Michael's untimely, tragic death. "Why would estate lawyers have anything to say about this highly personal, private family matter?" asked a close family friend. Actually, this is the latest in a running gun battle of sorts between Joe Jackson and estate attorneys.

Originally Posted by riviera1992 The only good thing about this is, it's bringing the suspiscions back out to the public and I think that's what Joe's counting on.

yes, it is very suspicous? I'd like for Blanca or McClain and those to answer that last question of Firpo's.

 

[dirtydiana27]

It's said that Michael fired Branca as David Geffen was saying bad things about him. and Later he hired Bert Fields again by the suggestion of Geffen. I guess the documents filed also shows that there wasn't any evidence about the truth of these things against Branca- mainly because it was all lies to start with. Later on Michael found out that Geffen was talking behind his back and asked Branca to return. Mainly things said about Branca was not true, it was just a plot to get MJ to fire him and take his position in Michael's business deals. Also Bert Fields was representing Sony in some other legal matters (some people think it was Branca but it was actually Fields who was working with both Michael and Sony). So Branca was rehired.

Branca himself resigned after the trial saying that Michael was surrounded by shady people that controls his business. And looking back wouldn't you agree with him?

I think that Tom Mesereau brought out quite a bit of information regarding people who were extorting Michael. I believe you should read the LeGrand testimony from the trial. It is true that LeGrand admitted that the accusations could not be proved, however I believe him and so did TomM. That's good enough for me. And why are the Executors objecting to Joe's request for medical records? Branca is on my "no" list!

 

[ivy]

To answer Firpo's and your question's above about "why estate is objecting the request?" is simple.

Joe is asking for that records for his case against the estate claiming financial support. As you can see that there is no correlation between how MJ died and Joe's request for money. It's just not relevant.

As you may know any info regarding to any ongoing investigation will remain private - and it is for the time being. No official autopsy reports has been made available, several search warrants are sealed etc etc. Police investigation reports are not provided to the families in any case. Why this should be different now?

But as discussed in the autopsy reports thread this info will most likely become public eventually either 1) the case goes to trial or 2) the investigation ends and somebody asks for them based on the freedom of information act.

Also I hope that you realize that these records/reports etc are not in the possession of the estate. They are in the possession of the LAPD and DA. Even though the estate can object to it, it is not like that they can stop it. It is eventually a judge's decision to make them available or not.

 

[earth child]

It's said that Michael fired Branca as David Geffen was saying bad things about him. and Later he hired Bert Fields again by the suggestion of Geffen. I guess the documents filed also shows that there wasn't any evidence about the truth of these things against Branca- mainly because it was all lies to start with. Later on Michael found out that Geffen was talking behind his back and asked Branca to return. Mainly things said about Branca was not true, it was just a plot to get MJ to fire him and take his position in Michael's business deals. Also Bert Fields was representing Sony in some other legal matters (some people think it was Branca but it was actually Fields who was working with both Michael and Sony). So Branca was rehired.

Branca himself resigned after the trial saying that Michael was surrounded by shady people that controls his business. And looking back wouldn't you agree with him?

If you have proof of the bolded statement. Please post it. I have not been able to find any evidence of Michael hiring Branca back ever. I can find the letter that was signed by Michael to fire him.
That bit about Branca resigning is out of Branca's mouth only from what I have found and I don't trust him at this point. He is on my no list for sure.

 

[jrsfan]

To answer Firpo's and your question's above about "why estate is objecting the request?" is simple.

Joe is asking for that records for his case against the estate claiming financial support. As you can see that there is no correlation between how MJ died and Joe's request for money. It's just not relevant.

As you may know any info regarding to any ongoing investigation will remain private - and it is for the time being. No official autopsy reports has been made available, several search warrants are sealed etc etc. Police investigation reports are not provided to the families in any case. Why this should be different now?

But as discussed in the autopsy reports thread this info will most likely become public eventually either 1) the case goes to trial or 2) the investigation ends and somebody asks for them based on the freedom of information act.

Also I hope that you realize that these records/reports etc are not in the possession of the estate. They are in the possession of the LAPD and DA. Even though the estate can object to it, it is not like that they can stop it. It is eventually a judge's decision to make them available or not.

Joe may want to sue Murray especially if no charges are brought against him. He would need those records. LAPD & DA did not charge Bohanna who killed Deedee until after 3T brought against a wrongful death suit & it was a year later after her death. They gave the DA plenty of time to bring charges - she was brutally murdered too. LAPD & DA would never have brought charges against Bohanna unless 3T were persistent.

I really think the DA would like for the Murray case to disappear.

The issue of support is a separate one from Murray, IMO. Oxman has stated for years on TV that MJ supported both his parents as most people would want to do if they were able. They could have argued for an increase for KJ to give to Joe but I think they are petitioning for separate funds in case something happens to Katherine & Joe outlives her. A reasonable strategy, idk if it will work.

 

[ivy]

If you have proof of the bolded statement. Please post it. I have not been able to find any evidence of Michael hiring Branca back ever. I can find the letter that was signed by Michael to fire him.
That bit about Branca resigning is out of Branca's mouth only from what I have found and I don't trust him at this point. He is on my no list for sure.

the one evidence I can show you is this: Michael fired Branca at 1990 and later rehired him back at 1993. The Sony/ATV catalog merger was done at 1995 and he's included in both 1997 and 2002 will of MJ. This shows that even though he was fired in 1990, at least between 1995 and 2002 he had once again a working relationship with Michael. In reality he worked with MJ during 1980-1990 and 1993-2006.

You are right about the reason for resigning at 2006 is out of Branca's mouth only. His 2009 rehirement story is told both by Branca and Dileo and apparently they filed the 2009 re-hiring letter with the court but it has not been made public.

Joe may want to sue Murray especially if no charges are brought against him. He would need those records. LAPD & DA did not charge Bohanna who killed Deedee until after 3T brought against a wrongful death suit & it was a year later after her death. They gave the DA plenty of time to bring charges - she was brutally murdered too. LAPD & DA would never have brought charges against Bohanna unless 3T were persistent.

I really think the DA would like for the Murray case to disappear.

The issue of support is a separate one from Murray, IMO. Oxman has stated for years on TV that MJ supported both his parents as most people would want to do if they were able. They could have argued for an increase for KJ to give to Joe but I think they are petitioning for separate funds in case something happens to Katherine & Joe outlives her. A reasonable strategy, idk if it will work.

sure family can sue for wrongful death but like you said they generally wait for the investigation to end. It's not like the DA said we won't pursue Murray, we don't have a case.

also like you said the issue of support and murray are separate but if you read the documents the records are requested for the case of support. Nobody has to agree with me but I personally do not think that Oxman is a good lawyer and he is just throwing stuff out there to see whether they would stick or not. like I said just my opinion.