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it's really been buggin me, how some people, including some fans believe that just because MJ looks a certain way, that people automatically assume that his career depends on catalogues of other artists' music. that he needs other people to advise him in business. that he's vulnerable. that someone is more likely to take advantage of him than they are of someone else..that he can't possibly be smart.

can someone please tell me why there are people that like to assume that he's the helpless little puppy that needs for someone to hold his hand?
 
there's always gonna be people who wanna be MJ's adviser cuz if they were his adviser then they'd have the chance of getting him to do what THEY want, and not what MICHAEL wants.

MJ is a big boy now. But some don't get that.
 
Michael does have an air of vulnerability. Some people foolishly assuming that he is vulnerable in ALL areas of his life. Not true. His emotional sensitivity/vulnerability does not mean that he is incapable of being strong and aggressive in business matters, for example.

Some people need to believe that Michael is vulnerable (read weak) so that they can keep harping on about what he should do, how he should do it and who he should do it with.
 
Michael needs some true FRIENDS.. Not business wise.. He GOT THAT, he obviously knows a little somethin' with business to become THE MICHAEL JACKSON.. But Michael as person needs friendship.. Just some good friends that will always be there for him..

Not saying he does not have ANY friends, but he's been wounded by SO CALLED friends.
 
KOPV said:
Michael needs some true FRIENDS.. Not business wise.. He GOT THAT, he obviously knows a little somethin' with business to become THE MICHAEL JACKSON.. But Michael as person needs friendship.. Just some good friends that will always be there for him..

Not saying he does not have ANY friends, but he's been wounded by SO CALLED friends.
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I think the ones he has now is fine. They are not going to the press and leaking stories. He seems to be connecting with some other people like Will and others that we don't know about., Jessie Jackson is in his corner. That is the kind of people he needs around. People who have no interest in his fame or fortune, cause they have already been there and done that. T-Mez would make a nice friend too, he is friend with Randy so that is possible.:)
 
Born To Love You said:
Michael does have an air of vulnerability. Some people foolishly assuming that he is vulnerable in ALL areas of his life. Not true. His emotional sensitivity/vulnerability does not mean that he is incapable of being strong and aggressive in business matters, for example.

Some people need to believe that Michael is vulnerable (read weak) so that they can keep harping on about what he should do, how he should do it and who he should do it with.
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True. I call it the 'poor Mike syndrone',So annoying.:)
 
Michael is perfectly fine, it seems like he's in a good place now and he does not need people telling him what to do. One thing we've all seen as that he's gonna do what he WANTS to do, he's a very strong-minded guy.

People need to stop with the Michael pity-party cause it's not necessary.
 
I just want to be his friend damn it.. lol!! We'll I feel he's my friend, but I want him to feel I am his..

Love u Mike!!!!!!!!!!

lets hang out.. I got some fun stuff we can do. :)
 
vncwilliam said:
it's really been buggin me, how some people, including some fans believe that just because MJ looks a certain way, that people automatically assume that his career depends on catalogues of other artists' music. that he needs other people to advise him in business. that he's vulnerable. that someone is more likely to take advantage of him than they are of someone else..that he can't possibly be smart.

can someone please tell me why there are people that like to assume that he's the helpless little puppy that needs for someone to hold his hand?
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Possibly fans are just scared that he can't make a strong comeback. Maybe deep in their hearts they want a Michael mania again and in my opinion that 80's world fever will never come back any way. We live in the 2000 now.

Also his career is tared down partly due to naive behavior on his part (due to vulnerability from his reclusive childhood) but that doesn't mean that fans think of him as a stupid helpless puppy. They are just being negative because of fear and perhaps too hopeful. It only makes them real fans ;) because they love him. Why do you focus on this side. I'm sure that there are many (if not most) fans who think the opposite.

And in my opinion Michael will never even allow someone to hold his hand because he's got a mind of his own. If he wants something he makes sure he gets it. It makes me wonder why you're bothered by this if you have so much faith in him...
 
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Possibly fans are just scared that he can't make a strong comeback. Maybe deep in their hearts they want a Michael mania again and in my opinion that 80's world fever will never come back any way. We live in the 2000 now.

Also his career is tared down partly due to naive behavior on his part (due to vulnerability from his reclusive childhood) but that doesn't mean that fans think of him as a stupid helpless puppy. They are just being negative because of fear and perhaps too hopeful. It only makes them real fans ;) because they love him. Why do you focus on this side. I'm sure that there are many (if not most) fans who think the opposite.

And in my opinion Michael will never even allow someone to hold his hand because he's got a mind of his own. If he wants something he makes sure he gets it. It makes me wonder why you're bothered by this if you have so much faith in him...
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i have plenty of faith in him. you have assumed that there's no more mania...that he is naive..and such. that's what i'm talking about, which is perhaps why you are a little defensive.

i'm just tired of hearing what you just were saying in your post. that's all i'm bothered with.

and perhaps i'm a little tempted to think, that you think(by what you have said) that because i believe there's no such thing as a comeback with him, that he never left, that there's nothing wrong with his career, that he has surpassed the eighties, today........ that, perhaps, somehow, i'm not a REAL fan?..and that i don't love him? =)

hah...what if i said that because those fans you mentioned, including, perhaps, yourself, do not have enough faith in him, that you don't love him enough?

you see, that kind of approach you made in your statement brings about the karma that would bring about an approach like the one i described in the sentence, just above this one.
 
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Michael does give off an air of vulnerability sometimes, but I interpret that as the Diva Michael coming out. MJ is one of the strongest man I know and his frailty should not be interpreted as weakness. I believd MJ is a savvy as the next man and is quite capable of making his own decisions and being as demanding as any other celebrity Diva. I just thing MJ is quite subtle with it, so you wouldn't even realise that youre spoiling him until after it is over. Yes, MJ is a little spoilt by his fans among others.
 
Everyone is vulnerable in some points...dude isn't a robot lol. He's not perfect.

But he IS an adult, who can make mistakes without papa and mama fans whining over him not going to bed at his bed time :lol: I think MJ knows how to take care of himself and his family. He doesn't NEED the fans to tell him what and what not to do. There's no NEED here. Every adult in the WORLD has been betrayed, fooled, had wrong done to them, have been naive, have made their share of mistakes. Michael's NO different. Doesn't mean he cant get up and pick up where he left off and learn from those mistakes like any other adult. Doesn't mean he can't do all that without someone trailing behind him.


Oh and believe me, MJ is NO diva. :lol: I think WE'RE the ones spoilt by MJ, not the other way around. People forget how freakin NICE he is to his fans SO often, JUST because we don't get inside information all the time. But MJ always, ALWAYS acknowledges us. He is always ALWAYS respectful...and that's tons more than i can say for REAL 'diva' celebrities. There's a difference between being smart, strong-minded, and savvy....and being a DIVA.

We have no obligation to him and he has not obligation to us. We buy his music cuz we LIKE his music, not cuz we wanna do him a favor. But just cuz we buy it doesnt mean we have ownership over him.

I'm not saying there isn't "love" here, I'm saying that sometimes that "love" can be spilled over too far and can cross boundries. I say, if u love the guy, love him unconditionally and trust that he knows how to live his life, after all, he's been living it for almost 50 years...I think he's got a hang of it by now.
 
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MJ is one of the biggest diva in hollywood. He is just too sleek for you to notice it. Just because he doesn't shout at peopel doesn't mean he can't get them running after him. Just because he is polite doesn't mean he is any less demanding. You are just looking for divaism in the wrong places. Yes, indeed, MJ is a diva, always has been, always will be. So he gets eddie Murphey to hold his award for him without even noticing that he is doing it. That is being a diva but so sleek that you wouldn'[t even notice it. How to be the biggest diva in hollywood without anybody even noticing. Look helpless and vulnerable so that eveyone feels that they must help you. They may even want to carry you to stop you from walking, or push you in a wheel-chair.
 
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my definition of diva doesn't jive with that. The very definition of diva means shouting it out to the world that you're the ish ALL the time. And being an azz about it, and being obnoxious about it. Of course MJ is comfortable with being famous, people's reactions TO him, and the fact that people serve HIM, but the fact that he at least TRIES to be humble about it shows that he's not a diva to me.

MJ doesn't pretend to be that vulnerable though. Depends on what u call 'vulnerable'. Sensitive? Shy? yes. That doesn't automatically mean vulnerable to me though. Hell if people wanna feel that MJ is a baby that needs pampering, that's THEIR fault, not MJ's lol. I've never EVER believed that...even in my most naive period of fandom. MJ has proven time and time again that he's smart, strong, and not to be messed with. The very fact that he snatched the ATV catalogue doesn't display someone who needs to be carried everywhere. There's no way he could have hid that decision from the public, Paul McCartney made sure he couldn't :lol:
 
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J5master said:
my definition of diva doesn't jive with that. The very definition of diva means shouting it out to the world that you're the ish ALL the time. And being an azz about it, and being obnoxious about it. Of course MJ is comfortable with being famous, people's reactions TO him, and the fact that people serve HIM, but the fact that he at least TRIES to be humble about it shows that he's not a diva to me.

MJ doesn't pretend to be that vulnerable though. Depends on what u call 'vulnerable'. Sensitive? Shy? yes. That doesn't automatically mean vulnerable to me though. Hell if people wanna feel that MJ is a baby that needs pampering, that's THEIR fault, not MJ's lol. I've never EVER believed that...even in my most naive period of fandom. MJ has proven time and time again that he's smart, strong, and not to be messed with. The very fact that he snatched the ATV catalogue doesn't display someone who needs to be carried everywhere. There's no way he could have hid that decision from the public, Paul McCartney made sure he couldn't :lol:
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Nah, a diva has more meaning than someone who screams and shouts and behave badly. I just look it up in the dictionary and it confirms my own understanding of a diva. The people who are screaming and shout ing are not divas in my book, they are uncouth and complete idiots. A real diva is delicate, sensitive and gracious. Godlike even. They get what they want without even asking for it, they have people at their bec and call. They never do their shouting, they have others do it for them. That is a true diva. Michael Jackson is the finest diva I know. Granted that diva is a feminie word, but MJ is the most delicate male I know. Diva indeed. Only a diva would have a macho looking man carry his umbrella over his head without even caring. He is carrying MICHAEL JACKSON's umbrella and feels privileged to do so, now that is divaism. Not people who scream and shout and be rude to others.
 
You are saying two things here. That you are bothered by some fans who believe that MJ's 'a helpless puppy' and second you would like to know why people believe that. It's a little confusing to me what you are trying to achieve with this discussion.

If I may speak for myself, I am bothered by people like you that consider people who think of him a certain way as fans who are not good enough to call themselves fans.

There are many ways in which you can admire a person, and if that means that they call themselves a fan than I think we all should respect that. I'm tired of hearing about fans who are not loyal enough or fans who do not love him enough.

If the fans who come here on this board are not good enough than why do they come on this board? Everyone's choices and believes should be respected as long as they don't cross any lines they shouldn't cross.

Btw I was never suggesting that you are not a real fan. I was just trying to make myself clear on why some fans are scared of him not holding up his head and that that does not mean (like you are suggesting) that they do not love him.

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i have plenty of faith in him. you have assumed that there's no more mania...that he is naive..and such. that's what i'm talking about, which is perhaps why you are a little defensive.

i'm just tired of hearing what you just were saying in your post. that's all i'm bothered with.

and perhaps i'm a little tempted to think, that you think(by what you have said) that because i believe there's no such thing as a comeback with him, that he never left, that there's nothing wrong with his career, that he has surpassed the eighties, today........ that, perhaps, somehow, i'm not a REAL fan?..and that i don't love him? =)

hah...what if i said that because those fans you mentioned, including, perhaps, yourself, do not have enough faith in him, that you don't love him enough?

you see, that kind of approach you made in your statement brings about the karma that would bring about an approach like the one i described in the sentence, just above this one.
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Some people probably don't know how strong of a business man he really is. Then there are other people who think that they can take advantage of him because he had some "bad" press a few years ago.

But realistically, I don't think that most people think that he's that vulnerable. Everyone knows that he can get what he wants and will control his business no matter what. People, when it all comes out in the end, don't like to mess with MJ.
 
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