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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

ChanceToDance said:
There are plenty of songs that MJ kept working on for 10+ years but never laid one line of vocals on them, Shut Up And Dance being one of the main examples.
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What I don't understand about this is: if he didn't at least mumble a melodic line on those instrumentals, how would the melody he had for those songs be "saved" for later use? MJ couldn't write music, so it's not like he could write down the notes to the melody, and I don't think he would just keep it in his head for 10 years without "saving" it somewhere where it couldn't be forgotten/lost. Unless SUAD was a rare case where he came up with a "track" with no melody for it yet, and just worked on the instrumental.
 
kreen said:
What I don't understand about this is: if he didn't at least mumble a melodic line on those instrumentals, how would the melody he had for those songs be "saved" for later use? MJ couldn't write music, so it's not like he could write down the notes to the melody, and I don't think he would just keep it in his head for 10 years without "saving" it somewhere where it couldn't be forgotten/lost. Unless SUAD was a rare case where he came up with a "track" with no melody for it yet, and just worked on the instrumental.
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He left them recorded on tapes, voicemails, or on his own phone, it's how songs like Monster came to be. But I don't doubt that he still remembered the melodies after years, MJ had an incredible memory when it came to his music. It explains why he'd go back to working on so many songs after they were left in the vault for decades lol.

As for SUAD it was a song written by 2 sound engineers, it does have full vocals but they're sung by someone else. Still surprises me that MJ never recorded it seeing how the foundation for it was pretty much already there.
 
dam2040 said:
We know for a fact they don't. MJ was only ever presented two songs, both found in Carolwood, neither had his vocals on.
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Seems a little presumptuous, to be honest. We don’t know MJ was only ever presented with two Cascio songs—those are just the only two that were shown in court documents. There could be others. MJ was working on dozens of songs, and most of them weren’t seen on any of the pictured CDs. I also personally feel like MJ was shown multiple Cascio tracks during his 2007 stay. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t, to be honest.

I don’t believe he ever worked on or recorded a single one of them, but I think it’s easy to jump to conclusions just because the Cascios are douchebags. Prior to last year, we thought MJ never heard a second of those songs.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Seems a little presumptuous, to be honest. We don’t know MJ was only ever presented with two Cascio songs—those are just the only two that were shown in court documents. There could be others. MJ was working on dozens of songs, and most of them weren’t seen on any of the pictured CDs. I also personally feel like MJ was shown multiple Cascio tracks during his 2007 stay. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t, to be honest.

I don’t believe he ever worked on or recorded a single one of them, but I think it’s easy to jump to conclusions just because the Cascios are douchebags. Prior to last year, we thought MJ never heard a second of those songs.
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Yeah, that's more than fair. I guess in terms of a factual link, we've only got those two - and we know they were actively working on some songs.

There's a few we can certainly rule out MJ knowing about - Breaking News is one of them.
 
I always had the asumption, that MJ worked on parts of the Cascio tracks, some may just be some melodies (with a working title maybe), maybe some were more fleshed out. Other were maybe just shown to Michael. At the end, no song was finished or close enought to finished to be released, but Cascio wanted to sell them so he faked them. Maybe he even just those demo, with maybe same scratch vocals or just MJ talking about ideas (like he did on Hollywood tonight) to convince the estate, that the songs are real.
 
Guys, seriously?

have you heard the Faking Michael Podcast?

MJ simply had nothing to do with these songs. It's the reality. If he had recorded any mumbling melodies for it the cascios would have presented those recordings at the countless meetings (in 2010) where they told everyone that MJ told them to delete all the outtakes of the (fake) songs.
 
kai said:
Guys, seriously?

have you heard the Faking Michael Podcast?

MJ simply had nothing to do with these songs. It's the reality. If he had recorded any mumbling melodies for it the cascios would have presented those recordings at the countless meetings (in 2010) where they told everyone that MJ told them to delete all the outtakes of the (fake) songs.
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No sorry i didnt heard the podcast. It was just a guess of mine.
 
Whats still confusing for me are these two interviews with Michael Prince. Like what songs is he talking about?

Is it possible that there is still music that hasnt been registered yet?

www.mjvibe.com

20 unreleased songs in Michael Prince's PC! - MJVibe

Michael Durham Prince, sound engineer for Michael Jackson confirmed in the French Press today that over 20 unreleased and unheard Michael Jackson songs are in his PC. He also said that they might be the object of the next album. Michael told “Le Parisien” that the songs are not finished and that...
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mjfan_93 said:
Whats still confusing for me are these two interviews with Michael Prince. Like what songs is he talking about?

Is it possible that there is still music that hasnt been registered yet?

www.mjvibe.com

20 unreleased songs in Michael Prince's PC! - MJVibe

Michael Durham Prince, sound engineer for Michael Jackson confirmed in the French Press today that over 20 unreleased and unheard Michael Jackson songs are in his PC. He also said that they might be the object of the next album. Michael told “Le Parisien” that the songs are not finished and that...
www.mjvibe.com www.mjvibe.com

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Definitely possible that Michael Prince has some unfinished demos that are currently not public. From that article it seems they are all unfinished enough to need someone else to sing on them so they can be released, which is not all that surprising.

The estate don't really see any value in mj's mostly unfinished music, so it's no shock to me that they have not really bothered with the stuff MP has.
 
Lordus Hanus said:
I always had the asumption, that MJ worked on parts of the Cascio tracks, some may just be some melodies (with a working title maybe), maybe some were more fleshed out. Other were maybe just shown to Michael. At the end, no song was finished or close enought to finished to be released, but Cascio wanted to sell them so he faked them. Maybe he even just those demo, with maybe same scratch vocals or just MJ talking about ideas (like he did on Hollywood tonight) to convince the estate, that the songs are real.
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Even if the songs were in progress we did not wanna hear a writers demo with some other guy miscredited as Michael. If anything they could've gotten away with that in an entirely different context. Of the truth.
 
mjfan_93 said:
Whats still confusing for me are these two interviews with Michael Prince. Like what songs is he talking about?

Is it possible that there is still music that hasnt been registered yet?

www.mjvibe.com

20 unreleased songs in Michael Prince's PC! - MJVibe

Michael Durham Prince, sound engineer for Michael Jackson confirmed in the French Press today that over 20 unreleased and unheard Michael Jackson songs are in his PC. He also said that they might be the object of the next album. Michael told “Le Parisien” that the songs are not finished and that...
www.mjvibe.com www.mjvibe.com

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I always took this to be an ever-so-slight mistranslation, because the choruses were always the first thing MJ sang/recorded. Maybe he actually said MJ only recorded the choruses.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I always took this to be an ever-so-slight mistranslation, because the choruses were always the first thing MJ sang/recorded. Maybe he actually said MJ only recorded the choruses.
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I agree. Also from the info from Damien, songs like Boy No, Just Remember & Rocker are all most complete in the chorus. Obv. MP was involved in those.
 
mjfan_93 said:
Whats still confusing for me are these two interviews with Michael Prince. Like what songs is he talking about?

Is it possible that there is still music that hasnt been registered yet?

www.mjvibe.com

20 unreleased songs in Michael Prince's PC! - MJVibe

Michael Durham Prince, sound engineer for Michael Jackson confirmed in the French Press today that over 20 unreleased and unheard Michael Jackson songs are in his PC. He also said that they might be the object of the next album. Michael told “Le Parisien” that the songs are not finished and that...
www.mjvibe.com www.mjvibe.com

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There's definitely songs fully recorded that aren't registered like Dream Away and Chicago 1945 and I'm fairly sure there are more than a handful of unreleased material from The Jacksons fully recorded. That 1983-1989 era has fully recorded songs as well
 
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kai said:
Guys, seriously?

have you heard the Faking Michael Podcast?

MJ simply had nothing to do with these songs. It's the reality. If he had recorded any mumbling melodies for it the cascios would have presented those recordings at the countless meetings (in 2010) where they told everyone that MJ told them to delete all the outtakes of the (fake) songs.
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To clarify when I said genuine Cascio songs may exists im not talking exclusively about those dozen or so tracks considered the 'Cascio tracks' I mean that I think its is extremely likely that MJ recorded vocals in the Cascio house for something other than Thriller 25 over those 3 months and that could have been for ANYTHING. I just cant imagine him staying in contained environment like someones home for 3 months and not having any inspiration at all to create anything and not make a single vocal take for any idea.
 
Dilan said:
To clarify when I said genuine Cascio songs may exists im not talking exclusively about those dozen or so tracks considered the 'Cascio tracks' I mean that I think its is extremely likely that MJ recorded vocals in the Cascio house for something other than Thriller 25 over those 3 months and that could have been for ANYTHING. I just cant imagine him staying in contained environment like someones home for 3 months and not having any inspiration at all to create anything and not make a single vocal take for any idea.
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If he did make a tune in their house then it's in his jurisdiction, especially if he composed it. Casios would get no ownership, no credit.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
If he did make a tune in their house then it's in his jurisdiction, especially if he composed it. Casios would get no ownership, no credit.
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How is that relevant to my statement? Im just calling them cascio songs because they were in his home, I know they dont have ownership but maybe they were given a copy
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
If the Cascios had one real song, they would have sold it to the estate! Plain and simple.
They had ZERO music with Michael Jackson's voice on it!
That's why they faked 12 songs and got away with selling it..
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Or he recorded some things at Cascios, but this was in an very early state, so he toke everything with him, and they dont had anything to sell then
 
Dilan said:
How is that relevant to my statement? Im just calling them cascio songs because they were in his home, I know they dont have ownership but maybe they were given a copy
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MJ making music at their house would not absolve them of being liars. They were not cut in.

They don't have any MJ material. That's the reason for fake songs.
 
Lordus Hanus said:
Or he recorded some things at Cascios, but this was in an very early state, so he toke everything with him, and they dont had anything to sell then
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That’s not relevant because if he recorded stuff there it still wouldn’t be something the cascios got any rights to. And also it wouldn’t change the fact they faked a ton of songs to sell to the estate. Their credibility is ruined both ways..
 
kai said:
That’s not relevant because if he recorded stuff there it still wouldn’t be something the cascios got any rights to. And also it wouldn’t change the fact they faked a ton of songs to sell to the estate. Their credibility is ruined both ways..
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Yes of course, that wasnt my point. Of course they still faked songs, because they didnt had any songs or rights on anything. But someone said before, that he wondered that MJ lived there for month, and just did a few (or just one?) recording for Thriller 25. Maybe he did stuff, but took it with him
 
Lordus Hanus said:
Yes of course, that wasnt my point. Of course they still faked songs, because they didnt had any songs or rights on anything. But someone said before, that he wondered that MJ lived there for month, and just did a few (or just one?) recording for Thriller 25. Maybe he did stuff, but took it with him
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If he didn't do stuff for years in the recording studio then why would he do more in some random dudes house? What is even meaningful here that you're arguing.
 
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