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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

kreen said:
To understand how much MJ’s already tarnished star dimmed between 2002 and 2005, one only has to consider the star wattage of the celebrities he managed to enroll for WMCIG versus IHTD.
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Michael Jackson sold 1 Million Concert Tickets in a matter of 24 hours in the year 2009, in one City alone !!!
 
JamesCMJJ said:
I don't know what to think of He Who Makes The Sky Grey. According to Damien, it has vocals, but as we can see, that doesn't mean much. Especially 2002 onwards. I would like to hold out hope that it's complete enough for release, but we need more info on the track's completion stage.
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Do we even know if the estate owns the song? It is probably in the possesion of the Prince of Bahrain?
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
Great recap! Thanks. Honestly given the demo we have, I don’t love the track. I especially don’t like the featured vocalist on the actual track. If MJ recorded a solo version all the way through (similar to how he recorded WMCIG solo) the song might grow on me, but we’ll have to see. WMCIG is definitely miles better than IHTD imo. He should’ve just tried again to put it out in 2005 as it never got a proper release.
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I feel a bit silly, because after all this time I still don’t understand the whole ordeal/situation around WMCIG. Do you mind breaking it down for me so I can finally get a good understanding about it?
 
JamesCMJJ said:
I don't know what to think of He Who Makes The Sky Grey. According to Damien, it has vocals, but as we can see, that doesn't mean much. Especially 2002 onwards. I would like to hold out hope that it's complete enough for release, but we need more info on the track's completion stage.
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If I were to guess I'd say the song is as complete as a song like Changes is—vocals that are very incomplete but Michael still had other vocalists sing on it. I doubt that it's vocally complete (or even in a releasable state) given how MJ was hardly willing to work on music, and would fail to show up at many recording sessions.

In the book "When The Sheik Met The King" there are interviews from Bill Bottrell and at one point he mentions how MJ made it very clear how he would only want to start working on music when the time was right. His mind really wasn't on it at that point.
Bill Bottrell: I got Michael's number and called him. We had a nice, long conversation; his kids were running around in the background. We were talking about making some music. 'Billy, we're gonna make the best music ever! When the time is right, Billy, we are going to make Mozart music!' He said 'when the time is right,' like four times.
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ChanceToDance said:
If I were to guess I'd say the song is as complete as a song like Changes is—vocals that are very incomplete but Michael still had other vocalists sing on it. I doubt that it's vocally complete (or even in a releasable state) given how MJ was hardly willing to work on music, and would fail to show up at many recording sessions.

In the book "When The Sheik Met The King" there are interviews from Bill Bottrell and at one point he mentions how MJ made it very clear how he would only want to start working on music when the time was right. His mind really wasn't on it at that point.
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Judging by the time period, it's very likely that he didn't record it fully. I think it's might be as complete as...Free for example. Verses have lyrics, but not a final vocal on them. Scratch vocals, with fully done BG's.
 
When is that Teddy Riley video from?

I always thought Burn Tonight was one of the better Cascio tracks. Not MJ level but quite a groove.
 
kreen said:
At this point can we admit that MJ never intended to record with the Bahrain sheik and basically just used him for free luxury lodgings while Neverland was falling in disrepair because he was broke?
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As soon as we admit that MJ never wanted to make music after Invincible (HIStory) again, at least until he had the pressure of being under the gun of AEG.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
As soon as we admit that MJ never wanted to make music after Invincible (HIStory) again, at least until he had the pressure of being under the gun of AEG.
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I think he wanted to make music still but just not for mass consumption and release.....recording songs here and there to pass time, I didn't see Michael doing another full length album after Invincible.
 
BlackAnon said:
I think he wanted to make music still but just not for mass consumption and release.....recording songs here and there to pass time, I didn't see Michael doing another full length album after Invincible.
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Alright yeah, that's fair, an album is a better distinction. He liked the idea of singles. A great concept. And the classical album certainly got his heart.

He got tired of Pop music, that's better said. But the guy wanted to make beats with Dr. Dre, he was embracing a whole new era. Basically would've been Kendrick Lamar if he kept going lol
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Alright yeah, that's fair, an album is a better distinction. He liked the idea of singles. A great concept. And the classical album certainly got his heart.

He got tired of Pop music, that's better said. But the guy wanted to make beats with Dr. Dre, he was embracing a whole new era. Basically would've been Kendrick Lamar if he kept going lol
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Yep.

Even if he was releasing singles here and there, I didn't see him performing them. I wish we had more information regarding the song titles he had taped to the wall......I'd love to know the exact purpose of those particular songs since many of them dated back to the 80's
 
BlackAnon said:
Yep.

Even if he was releasing singles here and there, I didn't see him performing them. I wish we had more information regarding the song titles he had taped to the wall......I'd love to know the exact purpose of those particular songs since many of them dated back to the 80's
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Well I'm not Michael Jackson but.

Some songs you just carry with you just in case. If it can't make it to one project, maybe the next one. Maybe the next one. Genuinely, carry it forward.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
As soon as we admit that MJ never wanted to make music after Invincible (HIStory) again, at least until he had the pressure of being under the gun of AEG.
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This is the second statement I've seen in as many minutes that is just blatantly false. Christ it's only been 15 years and we're at this point already. Might be time to move on for me.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
As soon as we admit that MJ never wanted to make music after Invincible (HIStory) again, at least until he had the pressure of being under the gun of AEG.
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MJ was still making music after Invincible.

The 2003-2004 sessions with Buxer and Michael Prince.
2005 Bahrain, then 2006 with will.i.am.
2007-2009 with Buxer, MP, RedOne, Neff-U, Akon, David Michael and Deepak Chopra

"I'm not gonna release albums anymore. We're just gonna put out a single every couple of months." - MJ to Michael Prince in 2009
 
SMJJ777 said:
MJ was still making music after Invincible.

The 2003-2004 sessions with Buxer and Michael Prince.
2005 Bahrain, then 2006 with will.i.am.
2007-2009 with Buxer, MP, RedOne, Neff-U, Akon, David Michael and Deepak Chopra

"I'm not gonna release albums anymore. We're just gonna put out a single every couple of months." - MJ to Michael Prince in 2009
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What is it with y'all twisting my words to get mad at some nonsense scenario you made up out of boredom? It pisses me off.

I know what Michael was freaking doing with his time. I also know he surely got sick of being looked at as nothing but a music machine. While as many other horrible things happened in his life. That doesn't mean he hated his talents or his fans or whatever else you're gonna say, it means multiple things can be carried in people's mind on a day to day basis.

Like the idea that I like talking about Michael but despise this website more and more every day.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
What is it with y'all twisting my words to get mad at some nonsense scenario you made up out of boredom? It pisses me off.

I know what Michael was freaking doing with his time. I also know he surely got sick of being looked at as nothing but a music machine. While as many other horrible things happened in his life. That doesn't mean he hated his talents or his fans or whatever else you're gonna say, it means multiple things can be carried in people's mind on a day to day basis.

Like the idea that I like talking about Michael but despise this website more and more every day.
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Nobody twisted your words. You literally said MJ didn't want to work on music any more until AEG and people are correcting you. Maybe stop posting stuff you know isn't true and then getting mad when people respond and you'd enjoy the website more.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Nobody twisted your words. You literally said MJ didn't want to work on music any more until AEG and people are correcting you. Maybe stop posting stuff you know isn't true and then getting mad when people respond and you'd enjoy the website more.
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In response to the statement that MJ didn't want to work with that Sheikh in 05. Which we also have no proof of aside from the fact that the tracks haven't leaked or whatever. Context matters first of all.

I also clarified in further comments that 1. It's a theory, and 2. I didn't quite mean making music, more making music for a commercial album to top Thriller on the pop charts or whatever. Which would be easily understandable.

And anyway, he was a perfectionist so it's perfectly valid that he was stressed out on the idea of yet *another* comeback and *another* album. Mentioning AEG is me saying MJ wanted to put the impetus on himself and give himself a reason to focus. Which sometimes we all need. I'm looking at it from an everyday perspective.

I don't care when people respond but I'm sick of the weird energy. Have a discussion, do not silence me. What I said is not even that cynical.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Alright yeah, that's fair, an album is a better distinction.

He got tired of Pop music, that's better said.
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Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
 
I agree that MJ seemed to have lost interest in full-fledged albums and eras, which I'm sure was compounded by the Sony conflict and the dissolution with 2 Seas. I don’t think that he lost his passion for making music, as evidenced by the fact that he never stopped. Even during trial prep, he was writing new songs and returning to older demos.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Pop Music and all that it Entails. An album and the huge amount of judgement it undergoes.

It's probably worth its own thread really, did Michael enjoy making albums more when he was the main producer, or did he prefer the times with Quincy and his brothers and collabing more in a sense?
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I think the latter. I think MJ enjoys collaboration, but it became pretty evident that he preferred being the boss and calling the shots.
 
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I haven’t seen anyone ever talk about it, so I wanted to bring up

What are the chances any 35/16 MM Reels or Copies leak? Is there any collector in possession of any Reels whether it be the short films, concerts or anything else?
 
threepea11 said:
I haven’t seen anyone ever talk about it, so I wanted to bring up

What are the chances any 35/16 MM Reels or Copies leak? Is there any collector in possession of any Reels whether it be the short films, concerts or anything else?
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Wrong thread.
 
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