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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

In Rocker, is there any element or cool part we haven't heard yet, or can we basically say we've heard the whole track? @GYWOOM

It's just the mumbled verse -> chorus -> chorus that builds up with ad-libs, right? That's it?
 
Saka21 said:
In Rocker, is there any element or cool part we haven't heard yet, or can we basically say we've heard the whole track? @GYWOOM

It's just the mumbled verse -> chorus -> chorus that builds up with ad-libs, right? That's it?
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verse, chorus, verse, chorus, guitar solo bridge, chorus, key change chorus and adlibs. You've essentially heard the entire song.
 
lotfi said:
Which one more finished boy no or rocker
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Boy No's verses actually have lyrical content. Far from complete, it's just scratch vocals. But there are lyrics. Rocker's only coherent lyrics are the chorus and adlibs. You could argue that you can hear words on the first verse, but not really.
 

Ignoring the verbal diarrhea on top of the snippet I like how the guitar chords sounds so similar to "Days In Gloucestershire" and that it's such a prominent part of the song, it really brings out the vibe that "Boy No" is like the somber version of it. I'm also curious to know whether there are still new parts of the song we're yet to hear or if we've practically heard everything.
 
ChanceToDance said:

Ignoring the verbal diarrhea on top of the snippet I like how the guitar chords sounds so similar to "Days In Gloucestershire" and that it's such a prominent part of the song, it really brings out the vibe that "Boy No" is like the somber version of it. I'm also curious to know whether there are still new parts of the song we're yet to hear or if we've practically heard everything.
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You've only heard the chorus really. And partial snippet of the first verse
 
smoothcriminal09 said:
i don't know if these come from the Ebay tape, but i found them on YT together with the alternate mix of Threatened
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They aren't from the DAT. Probably self-made "demastered".

*Edit* Yes, 100% self-made, it's especially obvious on Unbreakable.
 
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JamesCMJJ said:
You've only heard the chorus really. And partial snippet of the first verse
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Yeah but does the melody change between the verses? How does the song end? Does it end with a fade-out like in DIG or is there a new part?

There's also this snippet that includes an instrument which isn't heard on the other snippets, do you know what part of the song it's from?
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah but does the melody change between the verses? How does the song end? Does it end with a fade-out like in DIG or is there a new part?

There's also this snippet that includes an instrument which isn't heard on the other snippets, do you know what part of the song it's from?
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I haven't heard anything past the first chorus unfortunately
 
Saka21 said:
In Rocker, is there any element or cool part we haven't heard yet, or can we basically say we've heard the whole track? @GYWOOM

It's just the mumbled verse -> chorus -> chorus that builds up with ad-libs, right? That's it?
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There’s a bridge with a guitar and a synth string melody that sounds rly cool

some versions have Michael saying “sequence here” the other doesn’t
 
ChanceToDance said:

Ignoring the verbal diarrhea on top of the snippet I like how the guitar chords sounds so similar to "Days In Gloucestershire" and that it's such a prominent part of the song, it really brings out the vibe that "Boy No" is like the somber version of it. I'm also curious to know whether there are still new parts of the song we're yet to hear or if we've practically heard everything.
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Brad used that same guitar sound on EVERYTHING

Same with Emulator III Pop-Oohs and MKS-20 epiano, some Roland strings

Lots of his stuff has the same exact sounds
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah but does the melody change between the verses? How does the song end? Does it end with a fade-out like in DIG or is there a new part?

There's also this snippet that includes an instrument which isn't heard on the other snippets, do you know what part of the song it's from?
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Probably a pre chorus or bridge
 
Korgnex said:
They aren't from the DAT. Probably self-made "demastered".

*Edit* Yes, 100% self-made, it's especially obvious on Unbreakable.
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How would you know? I mean there ARE tools to restore dynamics and he probably would've used some eq to get rid of the high frequencies. (Which he probably didn't do, because the claps still would sound too clean)

But let's compare the BOD leak with the actual track. The peaks of the leaked version are definitely more prominent:

It visually looks a bit like the unmastered version of YRMW:
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Those leaks can't be vinyl versions either, because you don't hear any noise at the end.
 
JEMFTV said:
How would you know? I mean there ARE tools to restore dynamics and he probably would've used some eq to get rid of the high frequencies. (Which he probably didn't do, because the claps still would sound too clean)

But let's compare the BOD leak with the actual track. The peaks of the leaked version are definitely more prominent:

It visually looks a bit like the unmastered version of YRMW:
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Those leaks can't be vinyl versions either, because you don't hear any noise at the end.
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Oh no, we're not doing that again.
 
Leak track please? Someone leak track? Leak track? Please someone leak track? Please?
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MJ19951998 said:
History lesson for today: eBay already existed in 2001. :eek:
You know, that magical place where people were already buying and selling Sony promo CDs — including the uncompressed Butterflies version and other “rare” mixes.


That exact mix appeared on several official 2001 promo discs.
And guess what? I just found one in two clicks:
👉 https://www.ebay.com/itm/372834141616

So maybe double-check your “I was there” stories next time.
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Enlighten me please:
In which context does it matter if eBay exited in 2001?
And furthermore: How and why does it matter if you can find such an eBay listing today?
How does that pertain to Korgnex sharing those mixes in (I think it was) 2011 for free?

I'm feeling inclined to ask YOU, in which magical place YOU existed in 2001? (probably not existed at all..)
And in 2011? (existed in mommy's womb or maybe kindergarden already..)
 
JEMFTV said:
How would you know? I mean there ARE tools to restore dynamics and he probably would've used some eq to get rid of the high frequencies. (Which he probably didn't do, because the claps still would sound too clean)

But let's compare the BOD leak with the actual track. The peaks of the leaked version are definitely more prominent:

It visually looks a bit like the unmastered version of YRMW:
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Those leaks can't be vinyl versions either, because you don't hear any noise at the end.
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Now that I think about it, pretty sure that the BoD mix is from one of the many "King of Pop" compilations, they included a little bit better masters for the Invincible tracks (just looked it up: Unbreakable, Invincible, Break of Dawn, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Speechless, You Are My Life, Cry, We've Had Enough).

--> BoD is on Indian and Russian KoP editions.

Unbreakable is utter crap though and not from the Spain edition of KoP.
 
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MJJuniorSinceMW said:
Enlighten me please:
In which context does it matter if eBay exited in 2001?
And furthermore: How and why does it matter if you can find such an eBay listing today?
How does that pertain to Korgnex sharing those mixes in (I think it was) 2011 for free?

I'm feeling inclined to ask YOU, in which magical place YOU existed in 2001? (probably not existed at all..)
And in 2011? (existed in mommy's womb or maybe kindergarden already..)
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I was simply pointing out that those mixes weren’t special or exclusive — they were already available on official promo CDs in 2001.
By the way, Korgnex never mentioned where he got this “special version”… maybe to make it a mystery, as he tends to do.
I actually bought that exact one on eBay back then for about £5.
So no, this wasn’t some hidden gem only a chosen few had access to.

And for the record, there’s really no need to act like Korgnex is some sort of sacred figure. We can discuss facts without turning it into hero worship.

Also, if I remember correctly, that specific version had already been posted on the old Michael Jackson Angel Forum back in the day.
Now, if you’re wondering what the Angel Forum even was… well, you kinda had to be born before 2000 to know. 😉
 
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mjfan_93 said:
From what you heard of Boy No… would you say that it could be released? Maybe as a duet? How finished are the verse lyrics?
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It's a scratch vocals, Mike sings it like he's bored/nonchalantly. But there are lyrics. It could've been finished had Mike had polished his vocal delivery. The chorus is complete of course, could potentially be a duet
 
JamesCMJJ said:
It's a scratch vocals, Mike sings it like he's bored/nonchalantly. But there are lyrics. It could've been finished had Mike had polished his vocal delivery. The chorus is complete of course, could potentially be a duet
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Could you share the full chorus lyrics?
 
kai said:
Ok, Korgi —


You’re absolutely right. Getting 8K in one payment isn’t the same as getting 8K in smaller parts.
That totally makes sense, as always, holy Korgnex.

Still, isn’t it a bit strange that none of the people who were involved have spoken up to defend you?
I mean, if I had really made all of that up, they probably would have.

Also, I’m fine not being a mod — but if I were, I’d still feel completely justified in warning others about you.
Sorry for spamming this thread, though.


I’ll stop now even tho korgi will reply again with "it's out of context".
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Sorry for putting it so bluntly, but:
Don't engage in illegal activities if you can't handle it.

It's like the handler of stolen goods, is debating with the the other handler of stolen goods, or with the thief himself, who is acting in a more unlawful manner...

The whole discussion in here is becoming more and more ridiculous!

Nobody in here is entitled to anything. Not to a six second snippet and def not to a full on leak.
The gatekeepers keep, what they shouldn't have in the first place.
And the desperate ones are pleading, begging and bitching to get anything at all.
It's all unlawful/illegal! Nobody is in the right and nobody should have the twisted self-absorbed feeling they deserve anything.

It's MJ's music, it's his collaborators music and it's the music of the ones who legally own the master tapes and publishing rights.
Again: NOBODY in here is entitled to ANYTHING!

THAT should be in the back of everybody's head BEFORE posting any shit in here.
 
Korgnex said:
Now that I think about it, pretty sure that the BoD mix is from one of the many "King of Pop" compilations, they included a little bit better masters for the Invincible tracks (just looked it up: Unbreakable, Invincible, Break of Dawn, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Speechless, You Are My Life, Cry, We've Had Enough).

--> BoD is on Indian and Russian KoP editions.

Unbreakable is utter crap though and not from the Spain edition of KoP.
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The king of pop masterings were brickwalled. They were one of the loudest releases since they were made during the loudness war. I listen to the italian version quite often (on Tidal) because of One More Chance, so I know.

But I think this banter doesn't belong here, so I'mma drop it.
 
MJ19951998 said:
I was simply pointing out that those mixes weren’t special or exclusive — they were already available on official promo CDs in 2001.
By the way, Korgnex never mentioned where he got this “special version”… maybe to make it a mystery, as he tends to do.
I actually bought that exact one on eBay back then for about 5 €.
So no, this wasn’t some hidden gem only a chosen few had access to.

And for the record, there’s really no need to act like Korgnex is some sort of sacred figure. We can discuss facts without turning it into hero worship.

Also, that specific version had already been posted on the Michael Jackson Angel Forum back in the day.
Now, if you’re wondering what the Angel Forum even was… well, you kinda had to be born before 2000 to know. 😉
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I did name the source once: It was a 12-track Sony CD with 3 MJ tracks. Even in the thread I mentioned I found the same mix on another CD. Later turned out there are several collector items with that mix - not sure if they are all the same mastering though.

There's no "hero worship". MJJuniorSinceMW simply said it was a much sought-after and track and appreciated share, here on MJJC. It was "special" as he/she points out for the folks of us on MJJC. That's pretty much it. No idea what you bought for 5 €. Maybe you can tell us or not.
 
JEMFTV said:
The king of pop masterings were brickwalled. They were one of the loudest releases since they were made during the loudness war. I listen to the italian version quite often (on Tidal) because of One More Chance, so I know.

But I think this banter doesn't belong here, so I'mma drop it.
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Not all KoP variants had the same level of brickwalling. And even brickwalling itself is not an indicator for the same master or a horrible master, it's just nof full dynamics. The physical German Edition had a better master of "We've Had Enough" IIRC. Digital releases on Tidal & Co. should - in theory - be identical to the physical releases but that's not always the case. I wasn't chasing the KoP variants so I don't have all the details anyway.
 
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