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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Dawg imagine Michael Jackson only had 16 outtakes in his vault
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In the mind of the estate there are less than 16, but there are really more than 30

That 16 thing looks like that there's stuff on everywhere, but well they don't considered it something appropriate for release even if it's complete or lyrically complete
 
AlwaysThere said:
Confirmed: Bill will soon be transcribing (and hopefully sharing) his Dangerous session journals.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1874266951771685357
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Fuzball said:
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A book??? Wow!

Hopefully this comes to fruition. John Barnes always said certain topics would be discussed “in the future” and he sadly passed before anything could come of it. Obviously this shouldn’t be their focus in life, but I truly hope we’re able to preserve these memories before we lose these geniuses.
 
AlwaysThere said:
A book??? Wow!

Hopefully this comes to fruition. John Barnes always said certain topics would be discussed “in the future” and he sadly passed before anything could come of it. Obviously this shouldn’t be their focus in life, but I truly hope we’re able to preserve these memories before we lose these geniuses.
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Hopefully the book is better than the book Bruce Swedien released.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Dawg imagine Michael Jackson only had 16 outtakes in his vault. Lol. Lmao even
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Lol I think it depends on what people consider outtakes. If it was fully recorded, mixed and mastered but left off the album, it's an outtake but some consider mumbled demos as the same
 
MJ5 said:
Why wasn't BSw's book good?
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MJ5 said:
Why wasn't BSw's book good?
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I have a digital copy, and I say this with the utmost respect to the memory of Bruce Swedien: it is painfully obvious that this book was hastily reworked and centered on MJ to profit off his death (which occurred three months before it came out).

The overwhelming majority is spent talking about recording techniques and setups. Tech heads might love it, but the average reader would probably be bored to tears. The MJ stories are brief and contribute little outside of what we’ve already heard ad nauseaum (“great singer, always prepared!”). Halfway through, he stops talking about MJ outright and focuses entirely on recording (but not after multiple mini-essays from his protégés). The writing itself is horrendous: it feels like a high school essay. Bruce meanders about tech and needlessly posts full song credits, yet somehow says nothing of value as far as MJ fans would be concerned. (The entire chapters for HIStory and Invincible are spent on microphone placement. Seriously.)

This may seem harsh, but this question made me skim through my copy for the first time in years and my god, I forgot how awful it is. Not worthy of either man’s legacy.
 
BlackAnon said:
Lol I think it depends on what people consider outtakes. If it was fully recorded, mixed and mastered but left off the album, it's an outtake but some consider mumbled demos as the same
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I mean there's about 3 of those then, true.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I have a digital copy, and I say this with the utmost respect to the memory of Bruce Swedien: it is painfully obvious that this book was hastily reworked and centered on MJ to profit off his death (which occurred three months before it came out).

The overwhelming majority is spent talking about recording techniques and setups. Tech heads might love it, but the average reader would probably be bored to tears. The MJ stories are brief and contribute little outside of what we’ve already heard ad nauseaum (“great singer, always prepared!”). Halfway through, he stops talking about MJ outright and focuses entirely on recording (but not after multiple mini-essays from his protégés). The writing itself is horrendous: it feels like a high school essay. Bruce meanders about tech and needlessly posts full song credits, yet somehow says nothing of value as far as MJ fans would be concerned. (The entire chapters for HIStory and Invincible are spent on microphone placement. Seriously.)

This may seem harsh, but this question made me skim through my copy for the first time in years and my god, I forgot how awful it is. Not worthy of either man’s legacy.
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You have to remember that Bruce is first and foremost a sound engineer and that's what his contribution to MJ's art is all about : sound engineering. It makes sense that the book he wrote about his work with Michael mostly talks about what he did when he was in the studio, maybe you weren't the target demographic for it but for people who are interested in sound engineering and recording techniques this is a very interesting read.
 
alexbism said:
You have to remember that Bruce is first and foremost a sound engineer and that's what his contribution to MJ's art is all about : sound engineering. It makes sense that the book he wrote about his work with Michael mostly talks about what he did when he was in the studio, maybe you weren't the target demographic for it but for people who are interested in sound engineering and recording techniques this is a very interesting read.
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You’re absolutely right. That said, writing a book about sound engineering that’s marginally centered on MJ and titling it “In the Studio with Michael Jackson” feels like false advertising. Even if this is his contribution to MJ’s art, the way he went about it here is, in my opinion, horrible.

No doubt the book has an audience (I’m a freelance recording engineer myself), but I think it’s totally valid to walk away from it unimpressed.
 
BlackAnon said:
The production is up the alley of Triumph but I wonder if there's a complete version and if the brothers were involved or is this a solo Michael record
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Jermaine Jackson, Paul Jackson Jr & Maureen Bailey share credits on the rewritten version.

Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M....​

Type of Work:​
Music
Registration Number / Date:​
PA0000119846 / 1981-11-02
Application Title:​
Push the switch (high inergy [sic] switch)
Title:​
Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M. Jackson, Jr.
Appears in:​
Switch V. Gordy G8-1007M1, c1981. 1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in. side 2, band 5
Publisher Number:​
Gordy G8-1007M1
Performer:​
Performed by Switch.
Copyright Claimant:​
Jobete Music Company, Inc. & Stone Diamond Music Corporation
Date of Creation:​
1981
Date of Publication:​
1981-10-15
Authorship on Application:​
words & music: Jermaine Jackson, Maureen Bailey & Paul M. Jackson, Jr.
​
Names:​
Jackson, Jermaine
Bailey, Maureen
Jackson, Paul M., Jr.
Jackson, J.
Bailey, M.
Jackson, P. M., Jr.
Switch
Jobete Music Company, Inc.
Stone Diamond Music Corporation

 
BlackAnon said:
The production is up the alley of Triumph but I wonder if there's a complete version and if the brothers were involved or is this a solo Michael record

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Too similar to All Night Dancin' from the Destiny album. Probably why it never went any further in production by the Jacksons.

"That Girl" is the track we all need to hear though. Still unreleased.
 
Fuzball said:
Jermaine Jackson, Paul Jackson Jr & Maureen Bailey share credits on the rewritten version.

Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M....​

Type of Work:​
Music
Registration Number / Date:​
PA0000119846 / 1981-11-02
Application Title:​
Push the switch (high inergy [sic] switch)
Title:​
Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M. Jackson, Jr.
Appears in:​
Switch V. Gordy G8-1007M1, c1981. 1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in. side 2, band 5
Publisher Number:​
Gordy G8-1007M1
Performer:​
Performed by Switch.
Copyright Claimant:​
Jobete Music Company, Inc. & Stone Diamond Music Corporation
Date of Creation:​
1981
Date of Publication:​
1981-10-15
Authorship on Application:​
words & music: Jermaine Jackson, Maureen Bailey & Paul M. Jackson, Jr.
​
Names:​
Jackson, Jermaine
Bailey, Maureen
Jackson, Paul M., Jr.
Jackson, J.
Bailey, M.
Jackson, P. M., Jr.
Switch
Jobete Music Company, Inc.
Stone Diamond Music Corporation

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@Beano Wild wanna try a MJ version based on the demo?
 
Derek1984 said:
Too similar to All Night Dancin' from the Destiny album. Probably why it never went any further in production by the Jacksons.

"That Girl" is the track we all need to hear though. Still unreleased.
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iirc it was you who's contacted Tom Pery. Did he talk about any songs that were kinda finished but didn't make any of the albums?
 
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MJ5 said:
@Beano Wild wanna try a MJ version based on the demo?
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I actually did start work on one, in order to finish it though i need BG harmonies done for the chorus by some lads i know.

instead of "push the switch cause the world needs a lift" or whatever it was, itd be changed to "we love you, you know we do" or some cheesy BS like that lmfao
 
Beano Wild said:
I actually did start work on one, in order to finish it though i need BG harmonies done for the chorus by some lads i know.

instead of "push the switch cause the world needs a lift" or whatever it was, itd be changed to "we love you, you know we do" or some cheesy BS like that lmfao
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Why not keep those lyrics?
 
Fuzball said:
Jermaine Jackson, Paul Jackson Jr & Maureen Bailey share credits on the rewritten version.

Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M....​

Type of Work:​
Music
Registration Number / Date:​
PA0000119846 / 1981-11-02
Application Title:​
Push the switch (high inergy [sic] switch)
Title:​
Push the switch (high energy switch) / J. Jackson, M. Bailey, P. M. Jackson, Jr.
Appears in:​
Switch V. Gordy G8-1007M1, c1981. 1 sound disc : 33 1/3 rpm ; 12 in. side 2, band 5
Publisher Number:​
Gordy G8-1007M1
Performer:​
Performed by Switch.
Copyright Claimant:​
Jobete Music Company, Inc. & Stone Diamond Music Corporation
Date of Creation:​
1981
Date of Publication:​
1981-10-15
Authorship on Application:​
words & music: Jermaine Jackson, Maureen Bailey & Paul M. Jackson, Jr.
​
Names:​
Jackson, Jermaine
Bailey, Maureen
Jackson, Paul M., Jr.
Jackson, J.
Bailey, M.
Jackson, P. M., Jr.
Switch
Jobete Music Company, Inc.
Stone Diamond Music Corporation

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I've always wondered since Jermaine already parted ways with the brothers, if he was present during the recording of Triumph
 
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