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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

aazzaabb said:
Serious question, do you think you’ll ever get serious and put all of the trolling malarkey behind you? What do you actually get out of it? I can’t think of a bigger way to waste my life. 🤔
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I was raised to be like this. This thing called mentality. In my country everybody does that. It's a tradition
 
Bill on the 2010 mix of DYKWYCA

I'm glad the song held on to be "finished" if that's an appropriate word for MJ's songs.
Last I heard this was only the beginning - at Hayvenhurst.
There were vocals like these but the track was too experimental for my taste.
JB cranked out so much during that time. We couldn't expect brilliance every day.
And so DYKWYCA slipped down the list.
 
Fuzball said:
There were vocals like these but the track was too experimental for my taste.
JB cranked out so much during that time. We couldn't expect brilliance every day.
And so DYKWYCA slipped down the list.
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Bill seems to use the descriptor “experimental” for a lot of the Bad era tracks, including, if memory serves me well, Buffalo Bill and possibly Turning Me Off. I certainly wouldn’t call DYKWYCA an experimental piece of music, so perhaps he means strictly in the technological sense?
 
Victorious said:
Maybe a crazy question after 487 pages of this thread but why exactly is it such a mystery what's in the vault? Is it a secret for business purposes? Do they want to be mysterious? Are other estates also this vague about what they have..?
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Perhaps they're being devious? ....they might not have everything, or in original quality, but are hoping they can convince others that they do so
 
Fuzball said:
Bill on the 2010 mix of DYKWYCA

I'm glad the song held on to be "finished" if that's an appropriate word for MJ's songs.
Last I heard this was only the beginning - at Hayvenhurst.
There were vocals like these but the track was too experimental for my taste.
JB cranked out so much during that time. We couldn't expect brilliance every day.
And so DYKWYCA slipped down the list.
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Him describing it as too experimental falls in line with Barnes saying Michael recorded at Hayvenhurst to break away from the restrictions of Westlake. Michael probably had ideas he felt Quincy would’ve shut down had he recorded at Westlake. Could’ve also been a way for Michael to keep songs in his possession without outside hands.
 
The original demo for DYKWYCA is very different from the "original version" that the estate released. That's why Bill calls it "experimental." It’s one of John Barnes's songs. If you know "Turnin' Me Off," then you can imagine how weird it sounded at first. I imagine the "original version" is either Brian Vibberts's version from the HIStory era—I should ask him—or maybe even Bruce's mix from Dangerous.
 
zinniabooklover said:
Off-topic but ... wish John was still here :(

"JB cranked out so much during that time. We couldn't expect brilliance every day."
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I'd love to hear what he and Michael worked on the most. I think Barnes was pulling the best out of Michael creatively during their time. That 1983-1986 time had to have been pure magic
 
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