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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Beano Wild said:
on top of that, summertime has verses, the 2014 remix had d'angelo, jesse johnson, eric leeds & mary J on the track. I think this guy is making shit up for fun.
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The wiki and the tracker both have their sources confirming there were no verses. Any new info claiming it has verses is unproven. So how about instead of accusing me of making shit up, you do your own research?
 
Clay7 said:
Vocally finished ≠ Finished

Important distinguishing detail.
The songs on Xscape are perfect examples of this. So them saying there are extremely little “finished” songs left to release isn’t really a lie. Outright claiming there are NONE is though. The matter of finishing them would lie with the estate and they’d need to bring someone in to do it, which requires effort. Effort and the estate of Michael Jackson mix like water and oil.
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I never said they were finished, vocally finished is different.
 
threepea11 said:
The wiki and the tracker both have their sources confirming there were no verses. Any new info claiming it has verses is unproven. So how about instead of accusing me of making shit up, you do your own research?
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I feel like distinguishing the 1998 and 2013 versions would've gone a long way to provinf your credibility because as far as I know, the 1998 version is the one that lacks any verses beyond maybe the first.
 
threepea11 said:
I never said they were finished, vocally finished is different.
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u did tho haha thats why i replied, your list was a response to "finished and ready for release"
 
threepea11 said:
For those saying it isn’t, literally anything is possible. People had SW ‘87 and MIB, and we know some Teddy tracks are going around like BOTDF ‘91
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That one isn't circulating from anything I've heard and im fairly tapped in to alot of people, not sure where you heard that
 
Casey Rain - who heard the 2014 Xscape remix of Hot Fun in the Summertime said “he [Michael] sings the full first verse and the chorus. The song only has two verses”. It’s worth noting that Casey Rain also heard the studio isolated vocal of Michael singing it, so it’d be hard for him to get Michael’s voice confused with the others on the song when he heard the studio acapella. He’s spoken about how he heard the 2014 Hot Fun several times on his X account.

Damien Shields heard the 2003 demo (pre Mary J Blige, Questlove, D’angelo), saying “What I heard only had part of the chorus and some background vocals. Very underwhelming” - but the version of Tomboy he heard at the copyright office had no vocals whatsoever which Joe Vogel said Michael recorded vocals for.

Edit: Branca also claims in an interview that there’s no verse vocals, so lots of conflicting info about this song…

“Mr. Branca explained that Michael has recorded multiple harmonies for the chorus of this song, but unfortunately not any of the verses”

but tbh I would trust Casey Rain’s memory/story much more than Branca given his track record. Casey Rain has talked about hearing this track so many times and always maintains consistent details - it was probably a very memorable listening experience so it’d be hard to forget.
 
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Griffin said:
Casey Rain - who heard the 2014 Xscape remix of Hot Fun in the Summertime said “he [Michael] sings the full first verse and the chorus. The song only has two verses”. It’s worth noting that Casey Rain also heard the studio isolated vocal of Michael singing it, so it’d be hard for him to get Michael’s voice confused with the others on the song when he heard the studio acapella. He’s spoken about how he heard the 2014 Hot Fun several times on his X account.

Damien Shields heard the 2003 demo (pre Mary J Blige, Questlove, D’angelo), saying “What I heard only had part of the chorus and some background vocals. Very underwhelming” - but the version of Tomboy he heard at the copyright office had no vocals whatsoever which Joe Vogel said Michael recorded vocals for.

Edit: Branca also claims in an interview that there’s no verse vocals, so lots of conflicting info about this song…

“Mr. Branca explained that Michael has recorded multiple harmonies for the chorus of this song, but unfortunately not any of the verses”

but tbh I would trust Casey Rain’s memory/story much more than Branca given his track record. Casey Rain has talked about hearing this track so many times and always maintains consistent details - it was probably a very memorable listening experience so it’d be hard to forget.
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I'm honestly pretty surprised this song hasn't leaked given how many people had their hands on it during production and it was seemingly pulled from release fairly last minute.
 
Clay7 said:
I'm honestly pretty surprised this song hasn't leaked given how many people had their hands on it during production and it was seemingly pulled from release fairly last minute.
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That’s EXACTLY what I was just thinking… so many people will have copies of Hot Fun. If World of Candy can somehow be leaked, nothing is off the table at this point.
 
Griffin said:
Casey Rain - who heard the 2014 Xscape remix of Hot Fun in the Summertime said “he [Michael] sings the full first verse and the chorus. The song only has two verses”. It’s worth noting that Casey Rain also heard the studio isolated vocal of Michael singing it, so it’d be hard for him to get Michael’s voice confused with the others on the song when he heard the studio acapella. He’s spoken about how he heard the 2014 Hot Fun several times on his X account.

Damien Shields heard the 2003 demo (pre Mary J Blige, Questlove, D’angelo), saying “What I heard only had part of the chorus and some background vocals. Very underwhelming” - but the version of Tomboy he heard at the copyright office had no vocals whatsoever which Joe Vogel said Michael recorded vocals for.

Edit: Branca also claims in an interview that there’s no verse vocals, so lots of conflicting info about this song…

“Mr. Branca explained that Michael has recorded multiple harmonies for the chorus of this song, but unfortunately not any of the verses”

but tbh I would trust Casey Rain’s memory/story much more than Branca given his track record. Casey Rain has talked about hearing this track so many times and always maintains consistent details - it was probably a very memorable listening experience so it’d be hard to forget.
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I recall that Casey first said that MJ recorded two verses, then changed it to one. So not sure id consider their memory totally reliable.
 
Griffin said:
Casey Rain - who heard the 2014 Xscape remix of Hot Fun in the Summertime said “he [Michael] sings the full first verse and the chorus. The song only has two verses”. It’s worth noting that Casey Rain also heard the studio isolated vocal of Michael singing it, so it’d be hard for him to get Michael’s voice confused with the others on the song when he heard the studio acapella. He’s spoken about how he heard the 2014 Hot Fun several times on his X account.
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This is the correct information about Hot Fun.
Griffin said:
Damien Shields heard the 2003 demo (pre Mary J Blige, Questlove, D’angelo), saying “What I heard only had part of the chorus and some background vocals. Very underwhelming”
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"Underwhelming" isn't the word I would use. Michael didn't put any effort into the demo, which I would label a scratch vocal.
 
As someone who absolutely adores Sly and the Family Stone, I wouldn't care what shape it's in - I'd just love to hear it. Especially if QuestLove is involved.
 
I've posted about it before on here, but I've also heard it. I really loved it. The only thing is that, like most of the remixes on Xscape, the version I heard sounds a bit too produced. But they did a good job incorporating the other voices to flesh out the song. The way how it is mixed, it doesn't sound too much like scratch vocals. I would compare it to how the demo of "This is It" sounds compared to the produced version. The verse he sings is a bit more "demo" sounding than the chorus, but it still sounds good. And that song is just awesome anyway, so the whole thing sounds great. I wish they would release it. This, by the way, is the only "unreleased" song I ever heard before a leak and I can't/won't describe how I was able to hear it multiple times.
 
Spidey said:
I've posted about it before on here, but I've also heard it. I really loved it. The only thing is that, like most of the remixes on Xscape, the version I heard sounds a bit too produced. But they did a good job incorporating the other voices to flesh out the song. The way how it is mixed, it doesn't sound too much like scratch vocals. I would compare it to how the demo of "This is It" sounds compared to the produced version. The verse he sings is a bit more "demo" sounding than the chorus, but it still sounds good. And that song is just awesome anyway, so the whole thing sounds great. I wish they would release it. This, by the way, is the only "unreleased" song I ever heard before a leak and I can't/won't describe how I was able to hear it multiple times.
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Where and how have you heard Hot Fun?
 
threepea11 said:
The wiki and the tracker both have their sources confirming there were no verses. Any new info claiming it has verses is unproven. So how about instead of accusing me of making shit up, you do your own research?
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The tracker is not a reliable source sadly. There’s too much guesswork and unconfirmed observations in there. It needs an overhaul.

Also, please try not to get aggressive. We can confront accusations and claims peacefully.
 
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AlwaysThere said:
The tracker is not a reliable source sadly. There’s too much guesswork and unconfirmed observations in there. It needs an overhaul.

Also, please try not to get aggressive. We can confront accusations and claims peacefully.
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Yea but at least its maintained by set people unlike the wiki...
 
Clay7 said:
I'm honestly pretty surprised this song hasn't leaked given how many people had their hands on it during production and it was seemingly pulled from release fairly last minute.
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Yea, I'm even surprised not even a snippet has leaked. Must be a really good song if it hasn't leaked
 
arisenow said:
It’s in more hands than you would expect – and luckily, it hasn’t fallen into the hands of someone who needs to release every song for whatever reason.
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The estate gives us jack shit, you saying that makes it feel like leaks are bad when these songs are NEVER gonna be released...
 
threepea11 said:
The estate gives us jack shit, you saying that makes it feel like leaks are bad when these songs are NEVER gonna be released...
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I truly understand that fans want to hear and see all kinds of material featuring Michael. Ultimately though, it’s about the money. You can’t expect people to devalue material by leaking it if they or others have paid thousands of dollars for it. Some people want to keep things for themselves, and I think that needs to be respected. However, I wish there was an option that would allow fans to hear and see unreleased material without it leaking afterwards. That’s why seminars have been so special (at least for me).

You may disagree with me, but the few excellent songs and sessions that Michael recorded, which haven't even been mentioned here, should be treasured and perhaps released at a later date. However, none of the material we’ve discussed over the last 17 years rivals Michael's released material.
 
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