The Estate of Michael Jackson enters partnership with Sony Mobile

No one can depict what will happen with Michael's incomplete demo's/recording's when they have released all the possibly complete enough outtakes.. that is for the estate to decide, of course as they have more visual footage than unreleased recording's it has to be mixed between to the two.. we can't possibly judge anything at this moment in time.. which is why i am looking forward to the ''more michael jackson news'' coming from sony in the next few weeks, common sense leans towards the new album being announced but as of yet this is of course unconfirmed.
 
As far as looking for a current hit single, the logical thing a few years ago would have been to release some of the completed music Michael made with Will.I.Am or RedOne. I still do not understand how still to this day the estate is not able to gain control of these recordings.
 
But do they really? Are we going to have people trying to remix his songs to sound like 2020 when that comes around? 2030 too? That is so tacky to me. It feels like to me that people just want to forever live under the illusion that Michael is relevant in today and tomorrows pop scene. Michael died in 2009. Why should he have to continue to compete on the charts with the Miley Cyrus' of the world? That's completely unfair. We can't let go of Michael being number 1 so we want him to keep cranking out hits years and years after his death at any cost. I'm not against putting out a remix here and there every few years for some radio play and to bring some attention, but when it becomes the main strategy for preserving Michael's legacy and presenting him as an artist to the world then I think we have a big problem.

Of course I see why everyone wants Michael to posthumously have that moment in the sun again. One more #1 smash hit. He certainly deserves it. If the estate didn't royaly screw up the first couple of posthumous releases maybe that moment would have come and we wouldn't be still hanging to that dream 5 years later. Maybe this time. Then maybe we can move on.


I have to say I agree with you.

When Vince was released in 2001 I was 21 years old. I had been waiting for a new MJ single for years and MJ had been subject to the usual unfairly negative media coverage since his last single and I was hoping for a hit. I watched the YRMW video and was left slightly disappointed. The video was grand in scale, but MJ seemed to have lost his spark (IMO!). The song was a bit of a grower but it wasn't getting played on radio - UK radio hadn't been kind to MJ for years - and then I heard the single was doing well and was a possible #1. things looked good, but Kylie released a mega hit (Can't Get You Out Of My Head) - one of those landmark singles that takes over and dominates everything for weeks - and it pipped YRMW at the winning post. I felt robbed. The next single was 'Cry' which had NO CHANCE of being a hit and was widely mocked for it's "make that change" sample at the end. The single choice made no sense at all, but it became clear when we heard about the troubles with Sony and I knew we would have to wait for the next album. Then two years later the Number Ones album was going to be released with a new single and a new music video, not to mention a new TV special celebrating MJ's music going to be shown on prime time, plus the Martin Bashir interview. Of course the Bashir show raised the child abuse issues all over again and MJ was arrested. The TV special was cancelled (it has NEVER aired even after 10 years!) and the single - One More Chance - failed to make a significant impact on the charts, partly because of the allegations I'm sure, partly because it wasn't supported by a music video (it was cancelled) and partly because the song just wasn't hit material. It wasn't what I expected.
I guess what I'm saying is I've been left wanting more. After the incident with YRMW and Kylie I was wishing for another hit, and it feels as though Mj's career died there. Killed by unfair accusations and a trial that ruined his life. Just when MJ was about to get it together again he died at the hands of his doctor, and sure TII was a massive hit and MJ's music sold millions of copies but what should have been a posthumous number one single in the UK (Man In the Mirror) was beaten to number one in successive weeks by a mega hit by Cascada who pretty much became a one hit wonder in the UK. It's ridiculous. It felt like MJ was robbed again.
Yes, it felt as though the last 10 years of MJ's life was a conspiracy to prevent him from climbing to the top of the heap. He was pulled down by vultures and hyenas for the last ten years and I'm sure that must have been awful.
Even now when good things are planned somebody comes out of the woodwork to ruin the party. Wade's recent news piece is a perfect example, timed to perfection to piss on the Sony announcement.
I have been a huge advocate for the MJ Estate to release hit material, for MJ to have one more hit.
we know that he worked with producers like Will.i.am and Red One in the years before he died, so when he died I expected that something from those sessions would be released on the posthumous album because they would obviously be the most relevant to the music scene in 2009. I considered they might have the most hit potential with the smallest amount of work, but they didn't materialise and we ended up with 'This Is It' single. The radio stations in the UK were expecting something big, even youth radio dedicated time and promotion to the premiere, but when it was released it was a massive disappointment to everybody and they'll never give a new MJ single that opportunity again. It was a massive mistake! Then it was followed by the 'Michael' project - 'Hold My Hand' is a solid song, though not the strongest MJ single, but it could have been #1 if released instead of TII. By the time it was released in 2010 the chance was gone as I said. radio did not dedicate time or promotion for it. I don't think I ever heard it on the radio. Then there were the other singles, sure they're ok - HT and MTB are better singles than HMH in my opinion but they were never going to get enough attention as the 3rd and 4th posthumous songs. while the MJ Estate handled the film, video game and TII album well, they sure messed up the singles and I'm sure they prevented Mj getting a posthumous #1 song.
I'm sure if MJ had a posthumous #1 single after he died then there wouldn't be so much expectation now, nearly 5 years after his death. Getting a smash hit would be like getting closure for many people.
I know that it's not reasonable for MJ to be remixed every couple of years with hits coming in the next decade or the one after that. But I just want 1 more hit album and 1 more hit single. Sure, 'Michael' hit reasonably high chart positions around the world when it was released but it sank without trace, so not really a hit at all. It had no longevity. MJ was all about success, and I'm sure that after all that happened he would have wanted to have #1 singles, and I hope it can happen but the more years that pass the less likely it is. Is it too much to ask for one more moment in the sunshine? I hope not.
If another #1 single comes, I would be happy for the MJ Estate to never release another single again.
 
And you all know how Michael Jackson would have sounded in 2014?

I for one know that Michael Jackson wouldn't sound like 2009, or like 2004 / 1999, or even like 1989 in the Year of 2014!

He unfortunately can't do the job, so somebody else got to do it!


None of us really know, but what producers can do now is update the songs while still staying to true to the vision that Michael left behind.
 
But if more people worried about whether or not a song is good instead of worrying about whether or not a song sounds current then there would be a lot more better music in the world.
 
None of us really know, but what producers can do now is update the songs while still staying to true to the vision that Michael left behind.

Ok. Then how would you update a track to stay true to the vision?

I'd say that keeping the different melodies & rhythms is the most important part.
Don't cut away or alter any intended intros, bridges & verses. Don't alter the meaning of the lyrics. Don't process Michaels vocals.

What you do to update: Flesh the track out, if there is only a rhythm section or a single piano. Use current sounds & instrumentation for the melodies predefined by MJ.

Example "I Am A Loser":
MJ's beatboxing IMHO is to similar to SIM & also probably only intended for demo purposes. I would take this rhythm & try to search for a fitting "instrumentalised" rhythm section / bassline...

If a tracks instrumentation exists mostly only of beatboxing, or (for example) bottle percussion, this should be taken as a guideline to set up a full instrumentation of the song. To me that would still be true to MJ's vision, because he wouldn't have released new tracks just with beatboxing, or improvised instrumentation either.
 
Xperia Clip views on YouTube: 839.730 and counting!

Let's get it to the million by mentioning it in our tweets & other social media. Send the link to friends, colleagues & family...
 
Xperia Clip views on YouTube: 839.730 and counting!

Let's get it to the million by mentioning it in our tweets & other social media. Send the link to friends, colleagues & family...

I do not know if this is good or not?

How many views do a commercial normally get? - Has this one more views, and is that due to MJ then you think??
 
Ok. Then how would you update a track to stay true to the vision?

I'd say that keeping the different melodies & rhythms is the most important part.
Don't cut away or alter any intended intros, bridges & verses. Don't alter the meaning of the lyrics. Don't process Michaels vocals.

What you do to update: Flesh the track out, if there is only a rhythm section or a single piano. Use current sounds & instrumentation for the melodies predefined by MJ.

Example "I Am A Loser":
MJ's beatboxing IMHO is to similar to SIM & also probably only intended for demo purposes. I would take this rhythm & try to search for a fitting "instrumentalised" rhythm section / bassline...

If a tracks instrumentation exists mostly only of beatboxing, or (for example) bottle percussion, this should be taken as a guideline to set up a full instrumentation of the song. To me that would still be true to MJ's vision, because he wouldn't have released new tracks just with beatboxing, or improvised instrumentation either.


I just want Michael's work to be treated with respect, and I don't wanna see his music brought to down the level of what's on today's mainstream charts just to get a number 1 hit.
 
I think it's very good! A million in three days...

I think it's both: The new phone combined with MJ song.

Last time i checked it was way better then any clip from the new Samsung Galaxy S5, which was presented around the same time. Though the Galaxy is the way more popular phone...
 
I think it's very good! A million in three days...

I think it's both: The new phone combined with MJ song.

Last time i checked it was way better then any clip from the new Samsung Galaxy S5, which was presented around the same time. Though the Galaxy is the way more popular phone...

Ok, nice. - Then maybe MJ has made the commercial a succes!!

Nice!
 
I do not know if this is good or not?

How many views do a commercial normally get? - Has this one more views, and is that due to MJ then you think??

If the ad is good, it will attract viewers, no matter what is being advertised.
Volvo ad by Van Damme and his epic split has nearly 70 million vies in matter of 4 months

I don't think those viewers are fans of trucks, but wanted to see the ad for other reasons:)
I think some of the views are because Michael's songs, and some of the views as phone geeks.
 
@ analogue:

Yeah you said that not only once.

But it's easy make a statement like that without going into specifics.

For example i can't see, how Timbaland did not just do exactly that: Respect MJ's vision & yet we had all this negativeness towards this clip and song. We don't even know MJ's vision for that song, as we don't know the demo from '89, or the last version MJ did of it (probably 1998/99 if i'm right?).
Timbaland could have easily just modernized the sound & instruments. Which MJ would have also done (see what he did with Blood On The Dancefloor - WITHOUT his original co producer for that song - Teddy Riley).
 
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I do not know if this is good or not?

How many views do a commercial normally get? - Has this one more views, and is that due to MJ then you think??

The Estate used this xperia add as vehicle to promote MIchael Jackson not to promote the phone. Just as MJ used pepsi or Sobe water to promote himself, not sell pepsi . So the more views the add gets the more promotion and interest in Michael and his new music .. So yes its a good thing to get more people to view the add. Its publicity for MJ and is creating interest.. A buzz.. its the beginning stages for promoting the Album.
 
The Estate used this xperia add as vehicle to promote MIchael Jackson not to promote the phone. Just as MJ used pepsi or Sobe water to promote himself, not sell pepsi . So the more views the add gets the more promotion and interest in Michael and his new music .. So yes its a good thing to get more people to view the add. Its publicity for MJ and is creating interest.. A buzz.. its the beginning stages for promoting the Album.

Well I know it's a good thing for MJ if the add gets a lot of views.

What I meant was if 1 million views is good for a commercial on youtube - I do not normally watch commercials on the internet - So I do not know how many views they do normally get, that's what I meant.


The more views the better for MJ - I'm aware of that! :lol:


Would be nice if the commercial gets so many views because MJ is in it. - Then surely MJ is also a lot more attractive in future commercials for other companys!
 
I've seen quite a few positive articles on sites that are looking forward to new material from Mike.

The Estate did well here, Well played Estate, Well played Sony. This is it.
 
I know I might sound naïve and I hope nobody gets mad at me. But I don't understand how people say this or that is not Michael's song. I mean I know the finished version he can't see and hear and give the final okay but I still feel it is his songs, He created them in the first place and worked over them years and years. I think they would choose the ones that were close to complete and needed to be given that final touches.

My hope is that they will respect Michael and respect the songs that he did create. It won't be a Michael Jackson song like before because he is not here but at the end of day his name will be on that song. I am hoping they can find a balance and Michael was always interested in learning new sounds and ways.

I have no idea what Michael would want right now. But the people who knew him said he was always open to new things and ideas. That's why I am keeping an open mind about things.
 
Are we really getting this worked up over a commercial edit version of Slave to The Rhythm? It's a commercial for a new phone which they created a vary modern-esk feel with a technologically advanced sound to back it.. We should be praising the fact MJ's voice was used on the commercial, not freaking out because it's not the actual instrumental..

I would not think for one second that this represents how the song would sound on the album! (if I'm wrong, i'm wrong) but come on..... It's a phone commercial, they always try to create a state of the art - futuristic feel in there commercials! what do we expect the commercial to be like? FUTURISTIC right??
 
is it just me or does Michael's voice sound a lot more prominent in this mix? in the older tricky stewart mix, his vocals were washed out by the instrumentals and were very distant in the background.. but in this mix, you can hear everything on his vocal track which gives it that raw sound that we all love about Michael's previous albums, i'm actually very much looking forward to the coming news and updates by the estate and sony, and summer seems to be Michael's time.

also, they seemed to have used the final chorus which does feature fast paced club like instrumentals in the tricky stewart mix, so i withdraw my hateful opinion that i posted before.
 
@ analogue:

Yeah you said that not only once.

But it's easy make a statement like that without going into specifics.

For example i can't see, how Timbaland did not just do exactly that: Respect MJ's vision & yet we had all this negativeness towards this clip and song. We don't even know MJ's vision for that song, as we don't know the demo from '89, or the last version MJ did of it (probably 1998/99 if i'm right?).
Timbaland could have easily just modernized the sound & instruments. Which MJ would have also done (see what he did with Blood On The Dancefloor - WITHOUT his original co producer for that song - Teddy Riley).

I think that 1998 version that the press is mentioning is a mistake. Because they had other mistakes in those articles too (like Dangerous sessions in 1998 etc.). But maybe he did some updates to it after he recorded the vocals in '89. Rodney Jerkins said that Michael played the song to him during the Invincible sessions but they didn't work on it.
 
Are we really getting this worked up over a commercial edit version of Slave to The Rhythm? It's a commercial for a new phone which they created a vary modern-esk feel with a technologically advanced sound to back it.. We should be praising the fact MJ's voice was used on the commercial, not freaking out because it's not the actual instrumental..

I would not think for one second that this represents how the song would sound on the album! (if I'm wrong, i'm wrong) but come on..... It's a phone commercial, they always try to create a state of the art - futuristic feel in there commercials! what do we expect the commercial to be like? FUTURISTIC right??

See my post on page 28 from this thread on the exact same issue.
Except my reasoning is quite the opposite: In the ad you probably hear an edited part of the song, as it will appear on the forthcoming album. Because "Timbo doesn't put Timbo underneath it" just for a 90 second advertisement. It's pretty save to say that this was taken from the main album version we'll get, as worked on by Timbaland. And it's good.
 
This is for sure the album version edited for the commercial (like that breakdown in the middle) and not the remix. And probably in March when people buy the phone the full version will be in there.
 
^
Or with the phone comes a free account for sony musics 'unlimited', which is the equivalent to iTunes & the user can download the new album in advance.
 
is it just me or does Michael's voice sound a lot more prominent in this mix? in the older tricky stewart mix, his vocals were washed out by the instrumentals and were very distant in the background.. but in this mix, you can hear everything on his vocal track which gives it that raw sound that we all love about Michael's previous albums, i'm actually very much looking forward to the coming news and updates by the estate and sony, and summer seems to be Michael's time.

also, they seemed to have used the final chorus which does feature fast paced club like instrumentals in the tricky stewart mix, so i withdraw my hateful opinion that i posted before.

I find that Michael's music has lasted me through all my lifetime, through all the fads and fashions of the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's. Tracks that did not appeal to me many years ago now have much greater significance and I would not want to be without them. I think Michael always has something for everyone, no matter their age and musical preferences.
 
I loved hearing Michael's voice loud and clear. I still get the goosebumps lol.
 
Yeah - as I said in my first post after I saw/heard the commercial - it's like they have taken MJ's vocals and put them in front of the music/the instruments - like his voice is a little louder/clearer.

I love that!! - He's vocals are so clear and raw - simply great!! :)

I know... - I am exited!! :lol:
 
As far as looking for a current hit single, the logical thing a few years ago would have been to release some of the completed music Michael made with Will.I.Am or RedOne. I still do not understand how still to this day the estate is not able to gain control of these recordings.

Well (which you probably already know, but I will share for those who don't) will.i.am co-produced these recordings with Michael. Therefore, the Estate needs to get his sign off for them to be released, or they can find themselves in some deep legal troubles. They've been begging him for years, but he isn't breaking.

How many views do a commercial normally get? - Has this one more views, and is that due to MJ then you think??

Very few commercials can breach one million views. Mostly it's commercials with celebrity cameos that get the high view counts. If it's just promoting a product with cool visuals, they'll be lucky if they hit one million. This MJ commercial is pretty impressive.
 
I really hope that they call the song ''Slave To The Rhythm'' and not end up calling it ''Slave 2 The Rhythm'' just to sound hip and cool.

And yes I know that Michael had a song called ''2 Bad'' instead of ''Too Bad'' so there's no need to point that out
 
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