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The Jacksons' relationship with Michael

barbee0715 said:
Most of these things are in my "memory bank" as I didn't get a VCR til 86-and didn't have cable til 95. But it's funny when I find stuff on YouTube how it's really close to how I remember it.
You'll notice, if you watch Marlon's interviews-that the conversation always goes to Michael-THAT'S the only person they ever want to talk about-and he's always good natured about it, and he'll laugh and sometimes say something, but more often than not, he'll pointedly direct the conversation back to himself. I saw it when Janet was on talk shows as well-even though she was a big star by then-the conversation always led to the interviewer getting Michael in there somehow.

I'll have to find this again-I was watching a really old interview of Jermaine on Soul Train with Don Cornelius-who obviously liked Jermaine's song-but said something rather cutting about being robbed of the "lead singer" position by his little brother. And Jermaine just shrugged and smiled-and I was thinking-my gosh, they were dogging them all the way back then about it.
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And i see that all the time it all about Michael he was the center of this family now it like their are lost without him he was the guide.

That was Motown doing that putting Michael against Jermaine their did it with Diane Ross.
 
Maybe that the reason Jermaine stay at Motown he felt sense Motown gave them their started Jermaine felt he own them. So he went solo.
 
I was looking at a clip of Soul Train and i was watch Michael as he was dancing and i saw Michael move off alittle from the stage and just stared dancing he was in his own little world then he came back and went right on beat with Jackie and Marlon and i said he is going to go far.
 
As far as Jermaine staying at Motown I always took that as it is very hard to leave when he's married to the bosses daughter.. I never sensed the vibe of him feeling ownership of Motown. I'd hope he was not that delusional that he thought he had that much power there anyway... I know if I were in his shoes I don't know if I could say I would have done any different.. Plus I'm sure he thought that Motown would help his solo side with more care than a new company considering the established relationship with Motown, the fact his father in law was the owner.. I think it was a combo of opportunity and guilt that kept him at Motown.
 
He said it in the brothers reality that he felt he had to stay because Motown gave them their started. In the movie i do not know if this is true but he said Motown was going through a rough time and he could not leave Hazel also said you got to do what you got to do. Jermaine said in a interview that Hazel was not the reason why he stay Motown but you could be right he stared his solo career there He did not have that much control because Motown was in charge that how their did all of their artist. Going to CBS was a good move for the Jacksons their had more freedom and was invole with their music more at Motown their did not get that chance everybody sung the same songs but in a different ways.
 
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One of the reason why whenever people interviewed the siblings and MJ always came up was because Michael was an enigma. He was not accessible in several ways:

-He was not regularly seen on TV shows and stopped doing talk shows and music programs in '79 (That year he and the brothers performed on Soul Train, American Bandstand, Top of The Pops and other music shows but that was it until he performed on Wetten Daas in '95)

-MJ rarely did interviews and when he did, they were brief and weren't in depth

-He was such huge star and so complex, they couldn't completely figure him out

So whenever Marlon or Rebbie or Janet or Jermaine did interviews, the interviewer always did the "So...what's going on with Michael?" question to the point that after the janet. album, Janet barred questions about him
 
Even though they try to avoid questions about Michael, it was quite obvious they had no idea what was going on with him. You could even see that in his mother despite having more access. I bet Janet warned the interviewers beforehand she wouldn't answer questions about Michael.

I don't blame him at all, he took very serious not over exposing himself and the art of mystery.
 
mj_brainiac said:
One of the reason why whenever people interviewed the siblings and MJ always came up was because Michael was an enigma. He was not accessible in several ways:

-He was not regularly seen on TV shows and stopped doing talk shows and music programs in '79 (That year he and the brothers performed on Soul Train, American Bandstand, Top of The Pops and other music shows but that was it until he performed on Wetten Daas in '95)

So whenever Marlon or Rebbie or Janet or Jermaine did interviews, the interviewer always did the "So...what's going on with Michael?" question to the point that after the janet. album, Janet barred questions about him
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Are you talking about music programs where they might ask you intimate questions, because that's true. But he did a lot of music specials after 79-'Walt Disney 25', 'Diana's show in 81, 'Motown 25, all to promote his current album. It wasn't until after 'Motown 25' and he became a global megastar that he pretty much restricted everything except to specials.

Was 'Wetten Daas' a talk show?
 
barbee0715 said:
Are you talking about music programs where they might ask you intimate questions, because that's true. But he did a lot of music specials after 79-'Walt Disney 25', 'Diana's show in 81, 'Motown 25, all to promote his current album. It wasn't until after 'Motown 25' and he became a global megastar that he pretty much restricted everything except to specials.

Was 'Wetten Daas' a talk show?
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Yeah, the mega fame shut down what little bit Mike did share with the world and there were times when I missed the pre-Thriller years (for that very reason.) As for his family not knowing about what was going on in his life as the reason they didn't want to talk about him in interviews, imho that isn't the main reason (if it's a reason at all). Interviewers doing the bait and switch is disrespectful and rude, feigning interest in the brothers/sisters to get some sideline info on Mike. We've all experienced some form of it and we're not famous; people chatting us up, then firing off a gazillion questions about a family member, friend, coworker. I'm quick to tell people "if you want to know about so-and-so, then ask THEM, not me."
 
barbee0715 said:
Are you talking about music programs where they might ask you intimate questions, because that's true. But he did a lot of music specials after 79-'Walt Disney 25', 'Diana's show in 81, 'Motown 25, all to promote his current album. It wasn't until after 'Motown 25' and he became a global megastar that he pretty much restricted everything except to specials.

Was 'Wetten Daas' a talk show?
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But again, those appearances were far and in between

In 1980, he did the Because We Care and Disneyland tv specials

1981, he did the Diana special and his next tv performance was Motown 25 nearly two years later

From looking at old articles from Destiny, Off The Wall and Triumph, he was already seen as an enigma and mysterious, which we know was his plan lol

Compare that to other popular artists from that period, they were still regulars on chart shows and tv specials, yet MJ...

He was becoming "must watch" because it wasn't often you'd see or hear from him compared to the other stars in 1978-84
 
^^Thats true. I'm relying on memories, but yes, that was pretty few and far between compared to the previous years.
I had always blamed it on the sudden demise of the variety show in 78/79.
But after reading his 'manifesto' it's cool to think it was a little more calculated.
 
When i was in high school you heard alot about Michael because of the Jackson 5 but after high school not much but barbee0715 you are right the shows back then was different but i love watch Soul train and America Bandstand because i knew the Jackson would be on there. Shelia you are right i miss the Thriller years. But i did not miss the debut of Thriller the short film Michael really took off then.
 
KOPV said:
As far as Jermaine staying at Motown I always took that as it is very hard to leave when he's married to the bosses daughter.. I never sensed the vibe of him feeling ownership of Motown. I'd hope he was not that delusional that he thought he had that much power there anyway... I know if I were in his shoes I don't know if I could say I would have done any different.. Plus I'm sure he thought that Motown would help his solo side with more care than a new company considering the established relationship with Motown, the fact his father in law was the owner.. I think it was a combo of opportunity and guilt that kept him at Motown.
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I think jermaine thought since the rest of the brother's left and he stayed back, he was thinking that berry gordy wouldve let him take a bit more control with his career hence he was his son in law
 
8701girl said:
I think jermaine thought since the rest of the brother's left and he stayed back, he was thinking that berry gordy wouldve let him take a bit more control with his career hence he was his son in law
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You are correct. Jermaine always thought and actually said that he was one day going to run Motown. He also thought that because he was married to Hazel Gordy that he was entitled to run Motown. Jermaine has always felt entitled. When he was married to Hazel she was pregnant at the same time as his mistress, Margeret and Jermaine acted as if Hazel should have accepted that. You only have to see how he treats his current wife, Halima. He treats her like a servant, instead of a wife. The bottomline is that Jermaine felt that since he was married to Berry Gordy's daughter that he was ENTITLED to run Motown when Berry stepped down. Jermaine also thought being a part of the Jackson 5 would help in his bid to run Motown.
 
barbee0715 said:
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I find it funny that Jackie says now "American Dream" portrayed their dad as a total bad guy. If anything, "American Dream" turned Joseph into an actual three dimensional character-the good, the bad and the ugly-so any compassion or affection people feel for Joseph most likely comes from this movie version.
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Yea that messed me up also,i wonder why he said that because to me he (the actor) wasn't as bad as I've heard them tell certain stories.he had a good portrayal imo. Opposed to the real papa joe with Him oiling them down & beating them with ironing cords & whatever was lying around. Imho jackie is backwards about the movie & real life. He probably meant that movie showed nothing of what joe was like,he was actually must worser lol
 
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Re: Lifetime to air Jackson family reality series (3T)

KOPV said:
This comment makes me want to say a couple things.. 1. Prince Jackson is NOT a child, he is legally an adult now and it is not mine or your position to say what's good" for him.. And something being good or bad for someone says nothing about if someone WANTS to do it.. Yeah "kids think it's fun to be on reality TV" than you are agreeing with me that it is likely that Prince would like to be on the show..

i'm not trying to get into what Prince should or should not do... I am just stating it's very likely that he decided to be on the show because HE wanted to.. Too many fans talk about Michaels children like they are some animal offspring with masters. "sit"... no, no, no... if you have not noticed each one of them are normal people... people at 18 move from parents, do as they please.. in the near future Prince may be buying a house..

But he is an adult.. And that clip we saw was very likely recorded after Graduation (Summer). if it wasn't well it did not distract him from graduating so to imply that doing the show is a distraction to his studies just builds un-needed drama.

Prince wants to smoke, he does it! did Katherine pressure him to for money? lol... He is his own MAN! people build empires at his age... at 18 ppl leave and fight in wars, establish businesses, start building dynasties.... and we are sitting here talking about a smart fully capable man like he is some defenseless puppy. he is the son of MICHAL JACKSON! now a man..

we should start respecting his choices, even if we disagree with them...

Legally speaking anything he does he is liable for.. No guardian necessary for. So lets treat him his age and not put this imaginary bubble around him that he is the same kid we were introduce to...
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Well Michael didn't leave his parents until he was 28 lol
 
respect77 said:
So you say MJ was lying about that?
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Wtf! Can u not read & why would u qoute half of what i said,r u tryna make me out to be something im not? U always try to come at me & never have a clue to what the point is. I not once implied he lied about anything! NOT 1x DID I SAY OR MAKE U THINK THAT! Jackie said joe was nothing like how they portrayed in the movie & i quoted what mj said. I told u once b4 to stop nit pickin with me on. I wish i could block you. You irritate tf out of me with your pettiness. Your name should've been DISrespect66!
 
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Bubs said:
Jermaine got production credit but did nothing, Margaret M did the actual work.
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I wonder why nun of the family had anything to do with this movie & ive always wanted to know why the movie stopped in 1984 & it was made in 92. Its like 7years that goes by & they could've went up to 2300jackson st at least
 
Liberian Man said:
Wtf! Can u not read & why would u qoute half of what i said,r u tryna make me out to be something im not? U always try to come at me & never have a clue to what the point is. I not once implied he lied about anything! NOT 1x DID I SAY OR MAKE U THINK THAT! Jackie said joe was nothing like how they portrayed in the movie & i quoted what mj said. I told u once b4 to stop nit pickin with me on. I wish i could block you. You irritate tf out of me with your pettiness. Your name should've been DISrespect66!
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I see you modified your comment after I made mine...

Instead of flipping out once again and modifying your post (not a good idea because this board shows when a comment was edited) maybe you could have explained in a normal tone what you have actually meant, if I misunderstood it or if you worded it in a way that was misunderstood. It's not my fault you are unable to control your temper and express yourself in a civilized manner whenever you feel "challenged".
 
respect77 said:
I see you modified your comment after I made mine...

Instead of flipping out once again maybe you could have explained in a normal tone what you have actually mean. It's not my fault you are unable to control your temper and express yourself in a civilized manner whenever you feel "challenged".
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Instead of quoting me & really trying to get at me u could find something or someone else to troll. I can't go to any thread without u following me with ur dumbass questions. & i didn't modify nothing. Smh i have told u which u obviously dont comprehend or just plain out can't read. LEAVE ME ALONE! STOP REPLYING TO ME,STOP QUOTING ME. JUST SKIP WHAT I SAY TO THE NEXT THREAD. Im sorry to intimidate u so hard. But i Just figured how to blocklist/ignorelist u so. I won't reply bk to anything u ever have to say again. Now I'm going back on topic!
 
Liberian Man said:
Instead of quoting me & really trying to get at me u could find something or someone else to troll. I can't go to any thread without u following me with ur dumbass questions. & i didn't modify nothing. Smh i have told u which u obviously dont comprehend or just plain out can't read. LEAVE ME ALONE! STOP REPLYING TO ME,STOP QUOTING ME. JUST SKIP WHAT I SAY TO THE NEXT THREAD. Im sorry to intimidate u so hard. But i Just figured how to blocklist/ignorelist u so. I won't reply bk to anything u ever have to say again. Now I'm going back on topic!
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This is a public forum. I'm going to go to threads and reply to posts that I choose to. How is it "trolling" to ask a question? And it was an on topic question too. You had the option to explain to me that you did not mean what I understood from it, instead you flip out uncontrollably once again and try to lie.

An advise: stop lying, at least about things that are so easy to check out. I mean once again you lie about something that anyone here will see is a lie:

& i didn't modify nothing.
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respect77 said:
This is a public forum. I'm going to go to threads and reply to posts that I choose to. How is it "trolling" to ask a question? And it was an on topic question too. You had the option to explain to me that you did not mean what I understood from it, instead you flip out uncontrollably once again and try to lie.

An advise: stop lying, at least about things that are so easy to check out. I mean once again you lie about something that anyone here will see is a lie:



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I do not care about what your saying. You are irrelevant! Im done with u!
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Liberian Man said:
I wonder why nun of the family had anything to do with this movie & ive always wanted to know why the movie stopped in 1984 & it was made in 92. Its like 7years that goes by & they could've went up to 2300jackson st at least
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What?
 
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